My heartfelt condolences to the people of Britain for their losses and injuries in this recent savage and cowardly act of mass murder and indiscriminate slaughter of the innocents. This act, like so many others that they have committed only serves to illustrate the malevolence and contempt this low-life segment of the world holds for a decent humanity. It is my hope that this criminal act shall not go unpunished. Quest

I second that! My condolences. Rudy

Being a Brit, I have the problem that on one hand I am selfish and breath a sigh of relief that neither friends or family have been injured in anyway (especially those that are in the Met police and fire brigade), but I also feel for those less fortunate. I hope that the perpetrators are caught and locked away for the rest of their lives.

I heard about it this morning. Absolute sadness and gried felt for those affected.

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My condolences and thoughts are with the British people too. I agree that political discussiond shouldn't take place here - but when tragedies like this occur, it's so difficult not to point your anger at someone.

I am right in line with the rest of you here.... My condolances to all those who have been affected by this tragedy. May God Bless you all through this.

My condolences. Rod

My sympathy, thoughts and prayers to those who lost love ones in London today.

Also all our thoughts are with the UK in this time of great tragedy. Sharen and Mike

My condolences, and hope all our British 3d graphics friends are OK.

My sympathies to all who have lost a loved one or friend.

If I may, I would like to say a big thank you to all of the above on behalf of the British people. Your kind words mean so much to us. We're still reeling from the shock and I haven't heard from my brother or his wife who both live and work in London. My brother works on the Gatwick express - a shuttle service from London Victoria to Gatwick airport - He's not answered my answerphone message. And Jeanette, who works as a nurse in a London hospital. Both my wife and I have many other family members living in London, but there's little chance that they were in the affected areas - thank God. We daren't ring yet because they want to keep lines clear and of course we've been told not to go to London until things quiet down a bit. We were on such a high until we heard the news, because London had just been awarded the Olympic Games for 2012. Now, instead of partying we just want to catch the bad guys. On behalf of us Brits - Thank you!

Hoping the best for you & your family TheBryster. Hoping all the best for your family members. I post here since the "poser forum" thread was locked. But still wish the best for ALL our 3d graphic friends and their families living in England. Has there been anyone here(RO in general) not accountanted for? Please say no.

I just hate you had to join 'club 911'. At least they'll have enough video footage from the ubiquitous cameras to maybe find them..

Reality Check: I've just read the stuff on the Poser Forum and figure it's time to post an update on the facts as we know them... 33 dead 700 injured (That's from critical right down to cuts and bruises). 4 bombs - 3 in the subway and 1 in an London double-decker bus. The death toll could rise anytime soon... ..and I'm staying well away from the politics on this one... oh, and another of my brothers - I have 5 - is in the Metropolitan Police and I haven't heard from him either...

Indeed a terriable tragedy. Thoughts and prayers gout out to all of england. Rod.

Bryster, we here in the US trying to keep abreast on this are hearing that there are 37 dead and over 700 injured. Please quantify. You have our sincerest warm wishes and sympathies. I was there on 9/11 and feel your dread. Argon, this is a showing of sympathy and support to our brethren and great Island Nation of Great Britain and not to be construed as a political discussion on the legitimacy of terrorist groups, to which there is no legitimacy. That can be discussed somewhere else but this thread is not opened to the political rhetoric as inane as Islamic jihad terrorism is. So if someones post to this thread is intended to politicize their views, and place blame, we already know who detonated the bombs this faithful day, theres nothing to discuss so please, be gone! Quest

Of course, being who I am, I really must put in my two cents. It's a wonderful thing, all of this emotion that everyone is expressing over human pain and suffering. I can't say I feel any of it, but in an attempt to get you all to see a world view on things : 1,000,000+ dead in Iraq since 1992, at the hands of the US and the UN. Go cry somewhere else. And I hope I get this thread closed, all this blubbering is making me nauseous.

Well LSD, you are a fool. No one here is talking Iraq or any such thing, just you. And I have choice words but you dont even deserve them. You are an enablera usera dealer. Youre like a pimp of human emotions and have no qualms or scruples. Whats more, you dont have the slightest idea what it is youre talking about. Just shows how uninformed you are all tho you think you know it all. Ive got news for youyou dont! Go throw up on your own dime, go smoke your weedleave the rest of us to reality. Better yet, I have a rope you can barrow. Quest

Such terrible news, my heart goes out to all who are affected by this tragedy.

Having loved London for many years (and the British in general for more years than I can count), I'm incredibly sorry that this type of destruction has visited that glorious country (and beautiful city) yet again.

My smypathy for all those affected in London. Greatest loss of life since the Blitz from what I understand. @LSD,...you really should stop relying on Al Jezeera as your only source of news.

Quest, your hate is much appreciated. And, like always, you give up all control of your emotions with such reactions. Mind control isn't my goal here, that would be too easy. I'm merely bringing into perspective that this was hardly a tragedy. What did you EXPECT to happen when you blew up hundreds of thousands of people in other countries, PEACE? So save the bleeding hearts for another era, there's no place in this world for such hypocrisy. And Quest, I love you and Bryster and the rest of the artists here just fine. Your hatred is misplaced, but keep at it. Hate heals. It's certainly worked towards our "enemies", right?

Condolences, truly its hard to comprehend such an event living in Australia, we are so out of touch down here. But it still hits a chord in the hart to hear and see of such selfless acts of brutality. May all the people involved in this cowardly attack come to quick strict justice. PIECE!

LSD...you have succeeded again! As usual, you have turned a simple outpouring of sympathy into a festering postule! advice to Quest and others>>> ignore the zit, don't poke or prod it...eventually, it will go away!

LSD you say to "Go cry somewhere else. And I hope I get this thread closed, all this blubbering is making me nauseous." I Say: Go throw up somewhere else and let those of us who are human express our care and concern. Go start your own thread devoid of feelings if thats how you feel, don't taint this one with your maliciousness. Don't try to say you love the artists here if you can't show respect for their feelings. Just My Two or three cents! Ang

Sorry dashboard, I get zits quite a lot being a woman and all and I tend to squeeze the pus out of them. Can't seem to leave them alone. My apologies if I'm just aggravating the issue.

LOL...LSD...You're a twit!

lordstormdragon: Tragedy is tragedy, no matter the size. To express condolences for one does not mean another is any less important. Love and sorrow can go in many places at once, and dividing love in half makes two halves that are just as great as the whole. There is no need to quantify as you are doing. And this is not about Iraq, or any of the other countless tragedies in the world that remain undocumented and unknown. My heart goes out to the people of London and of Britain--and to all people who suffer anywhere, of any cause.

Just read about this terrible tragedy. My condolences to the families and prayers to all in England. -Helen

Yeah, you're right... Haloe, you made me feel like a poo. I suppose feeling self-righteous about being numb to violence is quite counter to my true feelings, or perhaps escaping my disgust for violence in general... I apologize for any I may have offended in my rantings. And I hope youre family is okay, Bryster, sincerely.

The deed will return threefold to those who did it, that's a fact. My condolences to those envolved....

I am a Londoner, born and bred. Like Chris I haven't yet heard from all my friends and family who may have been in the area, but have heard from most. At a time like this I am proud to be a Londoner, and am proud of the British spirit that is coming through. I posted this poem in the locked thread in the poser forum, and I post it again here. This guy has really said it all, for all Londoners, whatever nationality, and lets face it London is a truly cosmopolitan city. London Pride You come to place your bags of hate On bus and train, you made us late Yet well be back again tomorrow Well carry on despite our sorrow Your bags of hate caused some to die Yet we stride out strong with heads held high Youll never win, we will not bow You cant defeat us, you dont know how This London which we love with pride Is a town where scum like you cant hide Dont worry we will hunt you down Then Lock you up in name of Crown Were London and were many races Just look youll see our stoic faces We all condemn your heinous act You will not win and thats a fact Well mourn our dead and shed a tear But we will not bow to acts of fear Youre out there somewhere all alone Theres nowhere now you can call home Olympics ours weve won the race Your timing then a real disgrace Our strength youll find remains unbowed Were London and were very proud. Author Chris Neal (A Londoner)

"A single death is a tragedy; a million deaths is a statistic." 37 dead would a just above average day in Iraq. What is so shocking to this all is that it is comming awfully close to our homes. I will offer my condolences to the families & friends, but that's about it.

I couldn't believe it when I heard the news of all them people that had been hurt and killed... I just can't understand why people need to do this to overs... there not right in the head to go out and bomb people they don't even know is worge and I'd love for the people that did this to be find....

Two tragedies, one that touched the inocent people of London and the other tragedy is that we are not allowed to touch the politicians that caused all these and other tragedies all around the world. I've spoken too much, now you can lock this thread too, how someone dare to speak about the choosen ones by Job's God!

Well I got some good news this morning (Fri) My brother rang to say thathe and his wife are just fine and that he had been working the night run which is why he hadn't been able to return my call....... Again thanks for those of you who sent their kind thoughts. 50 dead and expected to rise. Not all the bodies have been recovered yet.

Good news there Chris. I just received a message from my younger brother, so now I know that him and his family are OK, so all my family is now accounted for.

My prayers and condolences go out to the people of Britain, especially the families immediately effected by the attack. @ LSD: I love you man, and I understand your anger at the coalition, but you need to show more compassion towards the innocent. Sure innocent Iraqis have suffered in the war, and it is GOOD to feel compassion for them, and want to do something for them. Laughing and showing contempt for the Londoners injured and dead is doing NOTHING to help the Iraqis. The Londoners injured in the attack are surely as innocent as the Iraqis who are killed and injured in attacks by the coalition. Surely you can feel compassion for all innocent peoples and not just Iraqi innocent people.

From an Englander's view, All this bombing, murdering is just a part of the whole religious problem. I'm affraid that over the past 4,000 years or so, it has been used to cause murder and vengance to every country in the world. I'm a firm believer that we are not alone in the universe BUT, I'm not a believer of us being made by one God, being or other religious thing. So all this hatred could stop by excepting no religion and believing in oneself. This will hurt many people around this forum and around the world, but, you must agree that religion is the prime instigator of all wars. @ JSD. You have every right to view your opinion but please dont blame certain countries or union forces for atrocities. Your facts are wrong and if i may adjust your numbers you should have added Iraq killings of own people to 2,000,000 since a certain leader took control some 30 odd years ago. Almost worse than Pol Pot I dont want to start a new forum on this or a religious theme as this is an art forum but please be aware of your feelings for others who are innocent of any religion or violence of any kind. Lets just hope that these murderous leaders are caught and dealt with, and maybe the Olympic games can heal some hearts in years to come. Let art be the voice of all and not bombs and bullets. Marc.

certain leader , that was hold in place by the cia ,are those files publicly already?, during the iran iraq war sadam was seen as an ally. My sorrow goes too the londoners and the iraqis, in war its allways the commoner that suffers most. did al qaida already confirm they were behind the bombing? It doesnt make sence as the british were going to leave irak soon werent they?

Difficult topic this: condolences to all innocent people of this damned globalized war.
But who is innocent? Sometimes, when I draw with Bryce, I think I could use my time to help who wants italian troops go home (italian troops? Yes, it sonds ludicrous), or when I drive a pertol-engine car, I think I should work to get an alternative fuel-engine car, and so on.
Then, although I try to go by bike by ever weather condition and try buy sustainable goods (you know: think globally, act locally), I feel not innocent, because sometimes, when I'm tired or simply lazy I don't care. It's a luxury that's not for everybody.
So these were my 2 cents.

/matteo

Zakalwe is wise

There is nothing wrong with petrol, there is nothing wrong to have or to drive a car, there is nothing wrong to have money. The problem is how some people get the oil or money!

Obviously some people here are thick headed and dense, to put it mildly, or are just down right rude and disrespectful for the hell of it. To use the barbaric and brutal slaughter of innocent people as a political soapbox to try and convince others of their rhetorical gibberish is a pathetic display of desperation. If it werent for the seriousness of the situation it would be almost laughable. Believe me when I tell you that you convince no one. Instead, you merely show your ignorance smothered in callousness and insensitivity. You cant even allow for the expression of compassion without mutilating and misrepresenting the attempt. No one is forced to post to this thread. The objective of this thread was to express condolences and share sympathy for those affected by this criminal tragedy, not for the posting of your political views. There are many web blogs on the Internet that would satisfy your obsessive itch to rant political rhetorical nonsense to your hearts content with both pros and cons.

Quest, I had no such intent. But deleted the post so as not to offend anyone else. I tend to get long winded and have some trouble putting thoughts to script and as a result I tend to come across in a manner I did not intend. Though I had not thought I was on a soap box or getting at all political I can see how it could have been takin as such. To anyone I offended I am extremly sorry.

Well, as a pimp of emotions and a whore of every sort, I have to disagree, Quest. Nobody cares about YOUR bleeding heart, your recycled emotions that you don't really feel at all but overstate in an attempt to win the hearts of other bloody hearts to gain attention. You don't express any real compassion, because if you understood empathy and compassion then truly you would be able to translate it into other mediums and along other paths as well. And the reason I stated "nobody cares" (even though I'm certain someone cares) is to point out how completely inane your "you convince no one" arguments are. You obviously let yourself be convinced that you should feel something. Shield your emotions, they are easily controlled and accessed by anyone : the media, me, Red, and prettymuch any random force of propoganda. To sit and insult myself and Redfeather, after pretending you care about people who've died that you NEVER KNEW, is just plain hypocrisy. Me? Callous? Insensitive? Of course I am. I take no insult in that, at least I'm not hiding behind some shield of decency just to fit in with the rest of the hypocritical, teeming masses. Hell, more people die every day in my city than have in this incident. I certainly am NOT promoting useless death, innocent bystanders being used as tools for those damn terrorists OR for the huge transnats that fund them (including the country I live in, whose single largest export is WEAPONS). I don't want anyone to die violently and in massive pain and gore. And were they close enough for me to help, I would be out doing so. But for you to say that WE turned this into a political thread? That's poppycock. The entire thread is political, fronted under the guise of compassion. If this thread were truly about compassion and understanding, then it would be universal, and also pertain to those of us with differing opinions. IF you were truly a compassionate individual, why can't you find any compassion for people you DO know and have known for years? But, Quest, like I previously stated : hate heals. Keep up the good work. But one thing you really need to work on is your insults. They aren't even up to chatroom levels yet. I suggest Seattle : 2 on Yahoo, the center of text-based pain in this Universe. Practice makes perfect.

Me? Callous? Insensitive? Of course I am. I take no insult in that, at least I'm not hiding behind some shield of decency just to fit in with the rest of the hypocritical, teeming masses.<< --------------------- LSD...I'm really sorry you feel this way and are proud of it. sigh

I tend to disagree with you LSD, just because you have no feelings for total strangers doesn't mean that others do not. I do feel empathy, for those I know and those I don't. I do feel empathy for humans and non-humans. Just because you don't doesn't mean that others do not. I am willing to believe you when you admit to not having feelings, although I can't fathom it, So guess what, that means that people can be different from you and I am so thankful for that. For whatever reason, there exist people like you. sigh

Redfeather, my last post was not directed at you specifically, I was referring to you in my statement in the plural sense. I didnt find your post offensive but there are others here who demonstrate little or no consideration in their posting. They automatically take the opportunity to inject their political agenda and propaganda, which no one really cares about, as if they have something to prove. It is unfortunate that this type of moronic behavior seems to be becoming more pervasive here in this forum. These characters always think they know better than the rest of us and when someone differs with their opinion, they curl their lips like wild hyenas and come at you with bullsh*t jingoistic rhetoric. Its ashame that such an element into this forum is driving others away. This behavior is a complete turn-off and from the IMs that Ive been receiving some of our older, longtime established artist members of this forum are becoming less inclined to post here as a result and some are even considering looking to move on to other sites.

LSD, you couldnt find your own ass with a map much less know anything about anything. As is obvious from your postings you are one pathetic, miserable individual without a shred of decency. Only thing you care about is you. Things will only matter to you when you or someone close to you are directly affected by it. Otherwise, its someone elses problem and theyre the bleeding hearts because they are the ones caught in the tragedy. But you always contradict yourself: Me? Callous? Insensitive? Of course I am prior:I suppose feeling self-righteous about being numb to violence is quite counter to my true feelings, funny how you manage to do that all the time. You try to diminish the tragedies of others by quantifying numbers. If the tragedies affected you, the numbers would then mean nothing.

Me? Shield my emotions from what, the likes of pariahs like you? You ARE silly! At least I embrace my emotions and dont hide from them like you do. You just couldnt keep your nonsensical blabber to yourself, so it is obvious that you felt compelled and needed to purge yourself yet once again, so whos controlling whom? Youre a joke!

Having been caught in the 9/11 atrocity myself, having witnessed first hand that slaughter of innocents, having lost a family member there, having lost 26 coworkers there, believe me when I tell you that I know what compassion is. I dont need the likes of you or people like you to try and convince me that I cant sympathize with others who have shared similar tragedies at the hands of barbarism.

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