I usually start with the basic head shape, then the nose and mouth. Eyes I do last and ears... I have to force myself to remember to do something about ears LOL It's a good idea to have a double viewport open where you can see the front and side of the face at the same time. Sometimes a nose looks perfectly fine from the front, but turns out to be horribly squashed or stretched from the side :o)

For those who'd question my motives, while most porn actresses put forth a rather mediocre performance at best; but this one as you can see, who goes by the name of 'Olga', is capable of generating some real emotion. The movie is titled 'A Walk in the Forest', and contains absolutely no dialogue, but her face is so expressive, it isn't necessary. There is something compelling about her parformance that I've found memorable. Which is why I'd like to make a figure based on her.

Thank you for answering ernyoka1. I wish though to know more. Have you ever worked with Posette, and how close a match can one consider a sucess? I ask, because I see that Arduino has made a copy of Clint Eastwood, which for all his skill, still doesn't look all that much like the original; and Casette made a body texture of Vickie based upon a Russian Fashion Model which, while similar to the original, is still dissimilar enough as to be noticable. Please advise.

Spinning the dials will only get you a little bit close, unless you can find one or more morphs that already look like your picture. For example, if one head morph has a similar nose and another has similar eyes, you might apply them both to the head and dial in a near-likeness... provided they don't interfere with each other. Otherwise, you are looking at using magnets to produce a custom morph. To me, this would make the answer to "is there an easy way..." into a resounding "NO!" ;-) I never could get the hang of magnets at all, yet plenty of people here think they aren't too bad and do some decent work with them. My suggestion would be to look into another program to create your custom morphs. Both Anim8or and Wings are free, and run acceptably fast on my old 500Mhz P3 with no 3D acceleration. It's not blissful using them, but I can get work done. Wings in particular has much more powerful tools for subtly altering the shape of a mesh in the way you would need in order to clone a face. - Jimdoria ~@>@

in case nobody mentioned it, the easiest way in poser (still image) is to use perspective UVs, a.k.a "camera mapping". however, nobody has ever used that feature AFAIK, as it's buried in the group editor.

Thank you Jimdoria, dial spinning is what drove me nuts in the first place. I've never had any luck with magnates at all. Usually they distort everything but what I want them to; THAT they don't affect at all. But my question still remains, has anyone ever really succeeded in making a perfect copy of a real live person in Poser, and if so, what was his secret. What was his 'Modus Operendi'? Thank you all, for all and any advice.

Miss Nancy, could you please elaborate a little. Is this a method that works only with stills? I wish to animate my figure, will it work with animation too? Any and all advice wil be appreciated.

I,ve given it a couple of shots. What I do, and it works for me; you'll have to try for yourself. 1. Take the best front vieuw of the face you can get. 2. Open the P4 fem texture map, or use a blank from uvmapper. 3. Put the font face ( construct a front face texture ) and put everything on the texture as it fits best ) you will have to cut and paste the pieces together as the standard texture will most certain not exactly fit. Pay attention to the eye positioning, relative to the nosetip position, in relation to the mouth position. Do not worry about the shape yet. Go to Poser. Open a neutral Posette. Remove all IK, neutralise joints, zero hip and body = Check the X, Y, Z, position. Export the face only as a morh target. I use anim8or ( a free 3D modeling programm), Import the face, use the texture map you just created for Poser on the face so that you can see what you are doing. Then import your front face picture as reference picture. Scale it and put it just a little behind the head, and you can start to modify the head. You can confrom it to your reference picture behind it. If you have a usable side picture, you can import a second reference picture to form the sidevieuw. It is not easy by no means in any progr. but is is not too hard either. Tony

First idea; high oval head, large front head thick brows, left brow lower then right brow no cheacks to speak of long rather small left-right nose pointy chin I,d look into those first, in that orther Tony

hoad, see if your version of the poser manual has a section on perspective UVs, or if you can find "perspective" by searching the manual. I don't use poser pro pak, so I don't know if they included that in the group editor. one can use it for animations, but it will look very hokey, like those stupid animations one sometimes sees on "jay leno".

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Nose should be bigger, lower lip smoother, etc. etc. Whole lower face wider and more forward? Only speant a few minutess... Nea head is not yet on Eve body is it? pitklad is working on it still I think. As you can tell this is Posette. Would have been helped significantly by stahlratte's nose and lip smoothing morphs. Anyhow... I am not proud of the above image. Just a test.

Momodot! You're a true wonder. I've yet to figure the grouping tool out. I finally found the perspective UV button on my grouping tool, but other than turning Eve's head blue, I couldn't get it to do anything. You may not like the end results yourself, but I think you did a darn good job. Could you make an MT of your head and send it to me as a basis? I've learned a lot in Poser, but in many ways, I'm still much of a Neophite. I find editing my Cr2's easier, than working with such things as magnates and grouping tools. Well, it's late now in Israel, 1:13 in the morning. I think I'll go to bed, and retry the Grouping UV approach in the morning. Shalom to you all, and 'Todah Rabah!'

((But my question still remains, has anyone ever really succeeded in making a perfect copy of a real live person in Poser, and if so, what was his secret.)) Wolf359's self-clone is one of the most impressive ones I've seen: http://www.renderosity.com/messages.ez?Form.ShowMessage=2206784 http://www.renderosity.com/messages.ez?Form.ShowMessage=2333617 http://www.renderosity.com/messages.ez?Form.ShowMessage=2368008 http://www.renderosity.com/messages.ez?Form.ShowMessage=2404133 http://www.renderosity.com/messages.ez?Form.ShowMessage=2589090

dphoadley, kind words. I'll see tomorow if I can clean this figure up a bit and send it to you. The thing about the texture was I imported your first sample image to the background and then with the Posette in wireframe view I tried to scale it to fit over the features. Next I did that grouping/perspectiveUV trick, select head, make new group, include material:skin, assign texture "NewFace" and loaded the same original photo to the new "NewFace" material I had made. I need to deal with some issues of proportion etc but also I need to take that face image of yours and try to make look dead face on by duplicating the right side and flipping it to paste on the left side, then I have to remove any shadows that will mess up the texture. Then I need to to check out the morphs on my Morf Woman to see if I can fine tune. I'll move it to Eve and send it to you when I get a chance :) Next day or two I hope. I have not attempted a likness since I did a friend of mine the couple weeks I had P6. Its fun! I think to really do the job right would take a week or two... momodot :)

What you've go is good, momodot, do not disparage yourself. I'm vary appreciative that your making this effort to aid me. Because of you, and following the advise of vilters, I mself went back and retried myold efforts. Up to now, I'd given up dials as a lost cause. But with the NEA MT's, and one or two borrowed from EvebyAp (Arduin's one with the snake and apple), I tried it again. You can judge for yourself whether my stuff is any good or not. As for texture, I simply used the photo-realistic Posette texture by sand_tyger, here in the Free Stuff. I can only say, that in the whole video, there is not one full frontal facial shot of the actress. Everything is always at an angle, or too low res to do anything with. I guess I'll have to settle for a degree of verisimilartude, rather than complete duplication.

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The narrowness of the head looks right from the photo reference and where the eyebrows hit the side of the face, but I thing the eyes should be nearer to each other and that the roundness of here eyes is particularly crucial to how she looks. Finding morphs for eyelid shape is difficult though. You can tip the eyes down on the outer corners and try to y-scale them rounder though... I think the flesh between the brow and the upper eyelid is a bit heavier on the real person and there should be morphs for that. I myself wish I had the Morph Worl 2 disc for it's Posette morphs but the Nea morphs are excelent. So are the P4FemMagic morphs here in the MP. Nose should be more rectangular and turned up. Nostrils flesh but very narrow. Chin profile good but you need the mouth jutting out more to soften the lower lip and give those round curves/puffs bellow their corners of the mouth that are very particular in the photo. Of course yo need blue eye, long lashes and to make the texture much more pale and cool and burn or smudge in the dark make-up below the eyes. This blond texture seems too "freckly" for the character. The "above views" work very well but for the eyes being too far apart and the eye sockets not round enough. I still can't open get the files you sent. Anyway, I hope you don't mind my going "art teacher". I taught painting, portraiture, and life drawing as my profession before retiring.

What I've done so far, is to reduce the Y axix of the head from 116% to 110%, and to push th eeyes closer together. I also pulled the mouth out a little, and imported Duane Moody's 'Full Lower Lip' morph, (with a negative value), to reduce the volumn of the lower lip. I alos pushed both the nose and the eyebrows futher upwards, (this required that I play around with eyebrow and nose bridge morphs a little, because at the junction between the eyebrows and the bridge of the nose. the mesh tended to rupture). I lightened the skin tone to a degree, and changed the iris color to blue (darkened with the addition of grey). I also tried to add a little 'puffiness' to the under part of the brow, (using Piklad's 'Eyelid Smooth' morphs). Please keep your comments comming. I'm actually beginning to feel that just maybe I'll succeed at this. Thanks all of you very much, David P. hoadley

What ya gonna do with this thing when it is done?

Dear momodot, your words of encouragement are like wine to my ear (sorry if that sound maudlin, it's 1:22 in the morning here in Bat-Yam (a suberb south of Tel-Aviv) and I tend to wax poetic when I'm tired). I'll strive in the morning to render those corrections that you pointed out. As for my future intentions with the figure, since I found her in a porn flic (albeit, she brought quite a lot of acting talent to her role, and not just erotic), I figure I'll do something less than strickly honorable, and rather highly risque' with her (like make an animation of her skinny dipping in a lake, or walking through grassy meadows in the buff). She is 'Eve' after all, it's not like Posette's clothes conform all that well to her body (unless someone can send me Travelar's 'Base Cr2' for adapting P4's wardrobe). One thing I do NOT see myself doing with her, is posing her naked in a temple with a sword. Again, I thank everybod for their help and encouragement. David P. Hoadley

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I am sorry. The pond is not by Confucius, it is by Nerd.

Another idea, if I succeed with this figure, I probably should offer it in the freestuff -but I'd need someone to host it for me. Travdler no longer offers Eve 4 at morphworld, so his catsuit Cr2 is no longer availble there for download. Eve 4 is occassionally available at 'Momcat's' site over at Renderotica: http://www.purr3d.com/Eve/. However, the download doesn't include the 'Base Cr2'. So I need someone to give it to me who's already got it. If PhilC would add Eve to his wardrobe wizard, that would be a definate advantage. I believe in the future of Posette, and (possibly because I live in the Holyland), I definately believe in Eve. Thank you for your support and comments. David P. Hoadley Bat-Yam, Israel

What I need more than clothes right now, is if some one could direct me to shere I can find an appropiate hairpiece (wig actually) for the figure. It should be parted in the middle, and lie straight, without waves doen at the sides. The first four photos in this thread give an idea of what I mean. All help is welcomed and appreciated. David P. Hoadley

I think you are really close, what is off are those really arched eyebrows, her's are kinda straight and very thick toward the bridge of the nose... I would remove any attempt to shape them with morphs, just put a smooth brow morph on and use the texture map to get her distinctive look. You must change her complexion and you really need the puffs she has bellow the corners of her mouth, that might need magnets but I sorta got it by moving the mouth forward. Lastly, I could not think of any fancy hair that would work but since you are animating you might want to just use that brown Poser 4 hair... you can get a good effects from scaling it or using magnets if you are up to it... certainly animates better than complicated hair.

OK everybody, listen up -Who out there has a 'Smooth Brow Morph'? Thank you again, momodot. But I must confess, doing fancy stuff with magnets, and designing specialized texture maps, is way beyond my capabilities. Probably achieving a 75% accuracy is the best I can hope for. As for the puffs at the corners of her mouth, when I pulled the mouth out ounce, I got a bruising effect around the lips on render. But I'll try it again. Also, the Deanna Troi Posette here in freestuff has Travelers 'Lip Edge' morph, whch might helpsolve the problem. I'll give it a try. Like the Tortoise, -steady plodding eventually wins over slap-dash hurry. Thanks to everybody. David P. Hoadley

BTW, is there ANYONE who could convert the face photo into a Posette texture map for me? I couldn't pay a dime, but you'd have my sincere gratitude. David P. Hoadley

I made a texture but dumped it I think since the sample should be at least 2 or 3 times what is in the thread and as head on as remotly possible... could make another real low quality. There are brow smoothing morphs around. I will check for a re-distributable one to send. I'll see about making a quick morf for the mouth area... but I can't say when :) One last thing... the eyebrows are better... but see how totally flat they are in the sample? Probably best left to the texture.

Thanks momodot, I look forward to the morphs, However, right now the eyebrows are the least of my worries. I just tried to spawn a morph target of the head, and something utterly bizare resulted. After spawnong a morph, I clicked Edit/ restore figure, and then dialed the morph to 1. The resulting head was not the one that we've been coorborating on for hours to create. Luckily, I was able to restore my work from the saved Pz3, so all wasnot lost. I then proceeded to exprt the head as a morph target, but when I add it as a morph to a second figure, it decapitates the head and sends it so feet in front of the figure. Can you or anyone explain this strange behavior, and how I can effectively perserve my creation into a single morph, and thus be free to strip the body shapers from the Cr2?

Clicking just the "save as morph" in the export object dialog should remove the "universe transformations" or what ever they are called. When I extracted your morph from the .pz3 you sent I also had the head fly off so I used a big magnet to put the head back where it belonged. Maybe someone has an idea what the matter is. I would try maybe dialing up the morph you want, using the joint editor to zero the figure, make sure the body and hip are zeroed, then using the grouping tool to spawn a prop of the head and then exporting that as an object to use as a morph. Do not know where your problem came in. ---------------------------------------------------------- I have sent the smoothing and "mouth puff", would call them jowls, morphs. Hopefully it is not too irritating to people in this thread the extent to which we are discussing this here as well as by e-mail. Please excuse. Calling it a night.

There is something wrong with my Poser at present (probably deriving fom my having installed and disinstalled it severl times in the past), in that it doesn't allow me to click any of the check boxes. It exports the designated objects, but doesn't allow me to define their purpose. Usually this isn't a problem, but sometimes it is.