Any free textures and characters for her?

Now that you mention it, I haven't seen much in the way of free stuff for her .....

Re my overall feeling, I have noticed that - in the main - merchants have "de-orientalized" her, turning her into a caucasian or into a negroid character (sometimes with great success, e.g. the lovely Samyra - truly original).

It's a pity that people have been largely ignoring her oriental roots, it would be nice to see some beautiful asian characters made for her.

I'm getting a bit fed up with the caucasian derivatives that are being churned out at the marketplace and elsewhere. They are starting to all look more-or-less the same - it's getting a bit like the endless procession of Lauren Hutton clones for V3.

And, on a side note, it would be nice to see more characters for her companion, Koji.

Just my five cents worth.

The more I use Miki the more I love her.  The only thing that gives me a bit of grief are her deformed forearms.  :unsure:

As for freebies:

There are several body morph packs here in the RFS. 
A head morph pack by Aki at Poserclub.
PinkyQueen skin texture by ETCETERRA at Poserclub.
Expressions by LaurieA here in the forums.
And clothes at several different sites... Here at R'osity, PoserNode, TigerDesigns, LYRainbow, Raunchy Minds and PoserWorld.

It does strike me as a trifle odd that people have done non-oriental characters based on Miki, but there are quite a few useful features that other figures don't have, and it's just an inversion of the caucasian to oriental that people do with other figures. Miki also has Wardrobe Wizard support. One downside is that she's a bit more resource-intensive.

Her arm bending is a problem, but I do enjoy using her. Just having a non-vicky option is pretty worthwhile.

Her mapping is quite difficult as I recall so that could be a reason for the lack of free characters. I'll think about knocking something together for her. She does come with a medium-res texture map so at least you've always got one option. I've seen a steady flow of clothing into the marketplace and a fair amount into freestuff.

Attached Link: PoserWorld

steveshanks,

I am getting a "not authorized to view this page" every time I try to access the link provided by you (i.e. the Poser World home page). What is going on ?

I too think that Miki is great.

I really enjoy Posermatics products for use whith her as well as my PW product.

Kichi for Miki.

Cheers

DR

Yes, Miki is a wonderful diversion from the V3A3 fest for me.

Hopefully the arm bending will be corrected in the "G2" version of Miki.

Cheers

DR

Is Miki still considered to be a minor, and therefore no nude pics allowed?

If so, this may be why people are bringing out caucasian characters with her - she immediately appears old enough to satisfy Renderosity's absurd pronouncement.

Stahlratte

Not aware of much freestuff for her. She's hard to use. Jointeditor reveals that bend zones were never established. I'm trying to work on these in my spare time. Her eyeballs alone clock an astonishingly high polycount. Even though they are matzone short. Her body is half the head count and why she mashes so easily in a bend. She comes with holes in the mesh and draws 2 uv errors(head and right foot) which makes morphing a blast(incorrect vertice count you get nada error). She's not welded. So, no mega bodymorphs. I was hoping they would release a 2nd version before I spend more time on her.

If she's morphed to appear like an adult (or left in default state) then she will be considered a child.

I assume that that's a typo?

Repost with stupid typo removed... LOL

Is Miki still considered to be a minor, and therefore no nude pics allowed?

If she's morphed to look like a child, then she will be considered a child.

If she's morphed to appear like an adult (or left in default state) then she will be considered an adult.

There is an update supposed to be out soon, I'm hoping more people will start supporting her.

Polycount is very high, doesn't bend too well, and there is not enough variety of products available for her... BUT in my case, it has replaced V3 most of the time. I'd say her face is much more realistic.

Oh, and BTW any way to get those LaurieA expressions? The link doesn't work anymore!

I try to keep her oriental/asian look that is kind of set aside lately, but I don't feel that the caucasian versions are turning her into V3 or something. They all work to get the most out of your invest in Miki and expand her market, which is a good thing.

Long live Miki!

PM

I looked at Kichi at RDNA...the promo pics look very cartoony to me.

Is she actually realistic looking?

Here is another promo

Herre's fron RDNA ... as an example of what I see as more realistic

Well that is in part because of the shaders that I used in her. I wanted to have an effect of being very smooth since the skin of the asian ladies that I know is just like that. You don't see pores open or blemishes or freckles if she is like a feet away from you.

But the morph is what it counts, you can use another one more "textured" in the shader nodes and you will have different results but she will still look asian and younger.

Here is an example with the P6 realism kit.

PM

ahhhhhh...thanks :)

Yes, I understand now what you are saying about smooth that way. No offense to beautiful women, but I think a lot of American women need to put on tons of base undercoat, or whatever that paste stuff is, to look smooth as Asian skin.... or maybe tight face lift

 
A good example is the TV show Lost, the Korean chic looks like ten years younger than her caucasian counter parts, and even all wear make up and all her skin looks much more softer than of the rest.

PM

Kichi looks really pretty! I'm working on a Miki morph and texture pack that makes her nose, mouth and chin smaller and more delicate. :)

Yeah, I saw her at the CP forums, she looks very nice!

Good luck with her Steph!

PM

It is a shame that Miki will not be fixed. The JP's are quite bad. Instead, they are building a new version that none of the original MIki stuff will work on. What's that saying? " why do it the easy way, when the hard way works."

I can't see spending much money on something that will be obsolete soon enough. There are exceptions though. Point at Posermatic. I have most of yours and I will be getting Kichi in the next couple of hours.

I'm sure glad I can model my own clothes. Still I wish they would fix the original Miki. She has so much character to her as long as you pose her with her arms straight.

Steph and posermatic, good to see asian characters based on Miki are getting back into the RMP....

how could they change the jps and have them work with existing products?  to my understanding, that's just not possible for conforming clothes and probably won't matter anyway for dynamic.   do you mean textures?  well, that remains to be seen, doesn't it?  a mesh can have different mappings (for example, the v3 mapped maya doll).

i have more free original morphs for miki than for v3.  i don't have as many clothes, but i do have a lot.  i don't have any free textures.  so if you aren't finding any free miki add-ons, poke through freestuff, these forums and content paradise again.

i don't find it that weird that people are making non-asian characters with her.  i think asian is a much more neutral base for other races than caucasian.  i'm not so much into samyra (she always looks hue shifted to me), but camielle for miki is by far the most realistic black female for poser, imho.  don't get me wrong, i'd rather see more realistic asian characters (korean, thai, etc.) than ones we already have.  but i understand the inclination to do other races as well.

i find miki's body has a much more realistic shape than any of the unimesh crew, especially that of steph petite, who has a very oddly shaped body imho.  as for her joints... well, i like her shoulders and ankles better than v3's, and her forearms worse.  to really compare, i'd have to get poses from an independent source (like dance images from the web), and attempt to reproduce them.  i find i adjust for the unimesh crew, especially with leg bends (hate that flattened thigh), so just comparing the poses i've already used wouldn't be fair.

i hope in g2 they make a more appropriate koji.  he looks a good decade or two older than miki, and his body is the same as james.  i haven't bought him both because it feels silly paying so much for a new head for james.  i'd really prefer a more suitable counterpart for miki.

in general, i still really love miki, but don't use her much.  why?  i have about 4 textures for her, including her default.  same goes for glamorous jessi, only more so.  james doesn't even have many textures for sale.  the freebies i most miss are skins.

Sorry to ask again, but does anybody know where to get LaurieA's expressions? The link posted before doesn't work... any clues? Thx...!

The link posted before doesn't work

Try contacting Laurie. She is AllenArt on PoserPros or LaurieA here.

WHAAAA? Koji and Miki shares textures?!

Seriously?

That opens up some very interesting possibilities if that's the case!

Whoa! eye bug out I was considering making some kind of a male Miki, and seeing Miki with Koji textures... I think it could work! Neato! bB

No Miki and Koji can't share textures that easily I had to tweek  it a bit . It's been a while since I did it. if I remember correctly I trimmed a bit of the bottom so the eyes and mouth fell in approximately the right place and then touched up arround the lips. I still had to do a bit of postwork on the hair around the ears in the above. I didn't spend much time on it though.

The plan is to make all the new versions of eF figures unimesh. They will use the same textures and morphs. That is stated as fact in the CP forum.

As for fixing the JP's. They should have been fixed a long time ago. Tweeking the JP's on the cloths where needed is not like having to redo the whole thing. IMHO, I think that fixing a popular figure would be better for buisness all around. Sure the merchants might have to fix some products but I think the sales would get better if people knew the figures worked right. As it is. Why buy anything new when you know a new version is on the way this year.

Like I said, MO, I most likely bought my last Miki product last night. I'll use what I have and wait for the new versions.

Quote - Is Miki still considered to be a minor, and therefore no nude pics allowed?
There is an update supposed to be out soon, I'm hoping more people will start supporting her.

You can read through this post to see what CPeF is saying about the new "G2" Figures.

So far I haven't seen any expected release dates.

Passport CD News and New Figure Teaser!,

http://www.contentparadise.com/forums/contentparadise/index.php?showtopic=727

There is also this Topic

Miki to Miki G2?

http://www.contentparadise.com/forums/contentparadise/index.php?showtopic=905&hl=

I know that Karanta has asked as well when the new "G2" Miki will be released.

So far no answer that i have seen.

Cheers

DR

Quote - The plan is to make all the new versions of eF figures unimesh. They will use the same textures and morphs. That is stated as fact in the CP forum.

 As it is. Why buy anything new when you know a new version is on the way this year.

Like I said, MO, I most likely bought my last Miki product last night. I'll use what I have and wait for the new versions.

I'm pretty much of the same train of thought on this one.

If the "G2's" tend to mirror the progession that V2>v3 and M2?M3 took, it will mean buying all new content or fixes.

Cheers

DR

To call G2 Unimesh is like calling champagne a carbonated drink.

The G2 figures will share morphs, clothing, etc... not just the mesh.

The hope is always that the next figure will be an improvement over the last, but even if the name is the same, it does not mean you have to stop using the old figure.  If these figures had new names, much of the concern about updates would not be mentioned. The figures are named thus, because they are based in part on the older figure. Similar to the idea that David and SP3 are based off of the older unimesh figures.

e-frontier is working with the content creators to offer special incentives for owners of existing products. At this time I do not have a list of those creators, but some of the stuff will just be updated, the body shapes won't change enough to cause a remodel on most things so it's a matter of replacing the rig on the clothing. A few have said they will just replace the items for free and another said for a limited time he would replace for free. Since these products will work on more than one figure some might offer discounts for past customers. The details, of course, are up to the artists; however, e-frontier will do what we can to support them and our customers.

Hmm.. I know a lot is possible with morphs (lile the V3 Male) but.. Sharing clothes even? 

Mmm... that would inspire some rather er... interesting pictures ;o)

I am guessing sharing clothes means dynamic junk but I am not sure.

whoa

Interesting things are afoot at eF.

New characters, Face Room support for Koji, improved joints and rigging, sharing clothing and textures...  This is good news.   :)

Just curious, TY is not in the g2 group, right? She's already 2nd generation, correct?

bB

Quote - I am guessing sharing clothes means dynamic junk but I am not sure.

James and Koji can already share conforming clothing, so I think that is what he means.

And if you hack Koji for the right shoulder, Koji can wear James' body morphs. So perhaps there will be more of that in future, but without having to do-it-yourself  mesh hacking.  ;)

bB

I have mixed emotions about Miki.  Just like I do about V3.

No one has ever made a perfect human figure yet.......but then again, if anyone ever does create a 'perfect human figure' -- then that figure won't be human.

Miki's just fine.  So's V3.  But I am going to wait until such time as the new ef figure comes out -- and gets evaluated by the market -- before I consider making investments in that direction.  And there's something else to think about -- V4 (or whatever she'll be called) is also looming on the horizon.

Personally, I like 'em all.  The more the merrier, that's what I say.  Variety is the spice of......Poser.  shrug  If the figure works, and it does what I want for it to do: then I'm interested.  I don't really care who makes it.

I will admit this despite the danger of being misunderstood, I live in a European culture with a history of severe and sometimes brutal treatment of "Asian" people, people from China, Japan, Korea, Vietnam and Cambodia. There is a STRONG feature of eroticisaztion of Asian women as victims...  there are "European" men here who date only "Asian" women out of a perverse sexuality and unreasonable stereotyping while in the media Asian men are ridiculed or vilified. In this cultural context I feel I can not work with Asian nudes unselfconsciously but I love the Czech body Miki has and the expressiveness of its face. I want very much to "European-ize" the figure but I have not found suitable morphs to do that... certainly not free ones. Can anyone help?

BastBlack I think they mean the whole thing. That is the impression I got which means that Jessi can wear James clothes etc .. Which means dynamic pretty much. At least that was the impression I got.

Quote - BastBlack I think they mean the whole thing. That is the impression I got which means that Jessi can wear James clothes etc .. Which means dynamic pretty much. At least that was the impression I got.

I had just assumed the sharing of clothes would be between figures of the same sex. like james and koji do now. I'm expecting two basic figures one male & one female. The difference between koji/james/kelvin or Jessi/miki/olivia being a different face morph, textures and accessories(hair?,clothing? etc)

That's what I was thinking, the face changes. For the female figures, perhaps Jesse's figure will change to Miki's since people seem to like Miki better, or do you think they re-engineer the base body for females? bB

Personally I love Miki, she's really the only model that I use anymore. I'd kind of wish she had more material zones for her face (ie left eye, right eye, lips etc) and there is the bending problem, which isn't to bad if you adjust the angles of your shots and the amount of the bend isn't to severe, then again you can also use long sleeve clothes. It just depends on how attached you are to your original concept.

As for the G2 thing, I’m not to familiar with the advanced modeling concepts, but would it be possible to model clothing, props, accessories to a base unisex model and then use injection poses and morphs to create a sex specific one?

So you’d have lets say a shirt and you have a Miki dial, a James dial, a Jesse one etc. For a James fit you’d put a 1 in the James section and viola similar morphing that was done to the unimesh base to make James happens to the shirt thus making it fit James, for Miki put a 1 in the Miki dial etc.

I don’t even know if it would be possible or if possible would it be so complicated to make it unfeasible?

Just a thought.