Because of the changeover of the renderosity Gallery and my inability to visit my favorite artists notification e-mails before the changeover, I cannot get to the direct links to your latest images because the links no longer work!  : (

I will slowly be trying to catch up with all of my favorite artists, now that I found a script to cut and paste so that the gallery is visible in a form that is comfortable for my eyes. I do not like the gallery changes but I'm doing my best to stay a part of the community.  It was quite a process to upload my own new image today, with all of the things one must do before the process will allow you to upload.  :(

The new instant message system here does not work very well with my speech to text software/headset anymore so it is very difficult for me to negotiate around here.

Lyne

How politely you sum up why I have finally given up on this place. I'm really sorry to hear that they have managed to make accessibility a problem at the very time when the real world is trying to alleviate those problems. Sorry but not surprised.

I've been back twice since they "moved" the server, and apparently my dozens of links to various threads, galleries items, market items, and the only free stuff combo I care about (PoserWhat's New) are now non-functional. And when I try to write a post, some looney empty box appears as a pop-up -- somehow getting around my pop-up settings, labelled market.renderosity.com and Source. Whatever.

And please spare me the "It's free, so if you don't like it, go away" argument. I am going away, in the first place, and in the second, it is not "free." The stuff people give away at R'osity is free, and they are the folks to thank and be polite to. R'osity is a big mall, and malls use "free areas" and "stuff you can do without spending money" to get you there so you'll spend till you ulcerate. If mugging were legal, the cops in the malls would be taking your money. If R'osity could set up a permanent feed into your wallet, the place would shut down.

M

My job is teaching web design, database design and usability (among other things) at a polytechnical.

Actually, I'm sort of grateful for what Renderosity is doing. It gives my students a prime example of how NOT to do things.

Actually, I'm sort of grateful...
:)

Before departing, I got kicked off the new server briefly. When I found my way back on, I used the new server to get to the forums (instead of the handy and now obsolete drop-down list that still appears next to free stuff). I got the full list, showing that someone had posted to Blacksmith3D on June 11, 2006. I clicked on Blacksmith3D, and was told there were no new posts since my last visit, which as some months ago. So I asked it for "archives" and after walking through the idiot-box questions to select an "archive" (and dreading the possibility that if I specified a period that began before the forum opened, or before the change to the new forums, or an end-date that was still in the future, I might be told that I had guessed wrong and should try again. But lo, my archive setting worked and sure enough, no posts since April... about when the forums changed? So apparently that post on June 11 doesn't really exist after all....

Ask me if I care. Well, I feel sorry for the guy who sells Blacksmith and could probably use the buzz of R'osity forums to keep sales up. But he's obviously given up on R'osity as well, so more power to him. There are other ways to make a buck besides advertising on R'osity and spreading for DAZ.

Oh, and after trying to see the mysterious June 11 post, I went back to the Poser forums, and THEN (not before) was told that I was not logged on and would I please supply my password. Sure, why not? I don't need it any more.

M

I feel you.

Every change has been evidently implemented without any prior testing, cause all problems are found as we members lose site functionality feature by feature.

Every time there is a major change and the members start bitching, the mods seem for the most part to try to keep it calm while admitting they dont like the changes either for the most part, so evidently, the changes arent discussed, authorized by existing mods, and not one artist in staff here gives the coder any indication that an art site should function a certain way - frinstance NOT cornholing the quality of members ART by adding coding to compress it. Bloating the system for the most assinine idea ive ever seen added to a site.

We have the only forum in all the world wide web that cannot keep track of individual threads read. That has got to be the most ridiculous and embarrassing singling out any forum could acquire.

The "alert" for private messages, has been moved to the top LEFT of the formus so anyone that doesnt use large screen resolutions is just SOL. It used to be on the right where everyone could see regardless of resolution, moving it was stupid.

The new php forum is VERY unstable as mentioned. Ive had so many problem with the text window clearing itself, or failing to upload simple text messages, that I now work from a "draft" for every post here. I write my post on a text doc so I cant lose it in the forum window, then paste the content into the rosity window and hit post as many times as necessary. Usually 2-3 at least, the new forums seem to have a bug that when you hit the post reply button, the window you typed you post into goes blank and nothing goes to the server. Ive given up on posting to a lot of threads this week cause its worse than ever this week for some reason.

So,

page by page, feature by feature, this site is getting fucked day by day. And when I check out the links to the posts announcing new "features" (its spelled "fuckups" Rosity, NOT "features" by the way) all the staff seems to be CONGRATULATING the coder and thanking him. FOR WHAT????

Lets be honest here, in the real world, any coder that made this magnitude of a mess would be FIRED, not congratulated.

Am I actually tne only one baffled and sickened by this? Clint what is really going on here? does willamsn have a flamethrower pointed at the heads of some of your relatives or what? What gives this guy immunity to keep destroying this site? Who the hell insisted on change when all was well anyway? Have you guys ever stopped an looked at how many merchants and members this mess has driven away from you? Do you even CARE???

well, as i've told some of my close friends, i won't be posting any new renders for a while and i MAY or MAY NOT keep my account here active. it will all depend on the outcome of the final tweaking and ironing out. but for now i'm posting my new renders somewhere else.

about a couple of months ago, i joined another art gallery where most of my current renders are now displayed. i was suprised when joining this new site. compared to renderosity, it was complicated, hard to navigate and really not that impressed of their features. it took me two months to understand most of it but i still haven't adapted to it fully. so now, renderosity, my home base decided to "upgrade". the idea was perhaps enticing. when i heard about it i thought "cool, they need to do something about the lag". that was my only issue (if i have to name one) - that it took a while to view an image once you click the thumbnail and uploading an image sometimes was agony. the rest which worked so perfectly well i thought was not going to be changed/replaced. imagine my surprise when i learned that my home has become the clone of my second gallery. i'm sorry but i know you guys say we have a different look as deviantART but fact of the matter is, it has a look and feel of deviantART. might not be verbatim and we may have used a program solely made for renderosity but it is moulded from the same slab  - complicated and no longer user friendly.

what i'm trying to say is...i don't want to spend another 2 months trying to learn my way around what i used to call my home base. i have a job, two kids and with little free time i have i'd much rather spend doing things i consider relaxing. so good luck everyone...hope it works out for the better and that somehow there is a happy medium somewhere that everyone can be happy with.

cheers,

Rain

Just a thought..mods..;) Maybe there could be a link for a tut to the new ways of doing old things could be put as a sticky at the top of each forums? it's getting lonely in here..;)

I haven't tried to upload anything to this new gallery. I'm almost afraid to try,  LOL  It sounds complicated as all heck from what I've been reading.

I don't like those nasty mouseovers, so until those go away or I can turn them off, I won't be going to the gallery at all.

Im so frustrated I cant tell my own left from right around here....

(In my own defence when you spend years teaching people physical tasks and you always have to "mirror" how you discribe what you do so you refer to the student's left and right and not your own (to avoid confusion), and you add that to generally being an idiot you can come up with some wierdly typed out posts....)

I don't like it that much either but I've took one of the provided CSS styles from the community forum, changed it a bit to what I want and now the gallery looks nice again. Actually the image upload is not complicated. I've uploaded yesterday and it all went smooth. But besides that, I still liked it better as it was before, including the old forum.

This forum is the ONLY site I've ever visited that consistently 100% of the time locks up my browser within minutes.  It's ridiculous.  They add a bunch of eyecandy and cripple the most basic functionality.  This is the most incomptently done job I've seen in many years.  I don't like to offend whoever is responsible but fact is fact, it just sucks.  Instead of recognizing that and fixing the problems in one area, they forge ahead and continue trashing the rest of the site.  It's not just sad, it's stupid sad.

i changed the setting (CSS) a couple of days back but for some reason it turned off my java script and could not open any other sites aside from rendo even when there wasn't anything wrong with it (my java setting). don't know anything about the coding stuff but since removed i can once again browse my other art gallery without a snag. rendo site is back to it's default white background but at this point i have given up so i'm throwing in the towel.

Well I went away for a few days and then I came back and found a script that someone else wrote to fix the gallery so that I could view it.  I tried uploading a new picture and found it much more complicated than before.  I know that Stacy is very angry at me because I keep saying that it should not be up to the users to fix a web site.  I'm sorry but the old renderosity even had a place to go to click to set the forum colors etc. now I get the party line saying were trying to please the majority.

I came back to the community forum that I tried to calmly articulate my confusion, frustrations, and questions that I still have.  Stacey simply said please go read the FAQ.  I did, and it did not tell me anything that I did not already know and it did not answer questions that I still have. It must be a horrible position to be in that Stacy has, and I suppose I should feel sympathetic toward her.  I hope they pay her enough!

While I said I would be trying to catch up with my gallery viewing I'm beginning to feel that I just may not come back.  I see an option when I go to my gallery that seems to be a one-button option for getting rid of my entire gallery.  I wonder if that works?

PlanIt3D has a fantastic easy to use gallery uploading system.  It is the site where I hosed all my freebies.  I think perhaps I may move over there permanently.

I came here are originally for this sense of community-mainly the community from the comments posted underneath each other's gallery images.  I still can't get any answer about how or if they will ever increase the size of the font because I can't read the tiny font!  And no one will tell me if the section called my favorites is public or just for myself.  Why would I post a comment about each favorite artist if there's no one there to read it?  And while I'm making comments here the other thing I can't get an answer to is why I can't even see what I'm posting as I post it here in this box.  I get a horizontal scrollbar and until I clicked the vertical one I can't see the last line, and then when I tried to read read and edit my own post I have to keep scrolling back and forth with the horizontal scrollbar.  I asked politely if the programmers would be working on that issue, and again Stacy just referred me to the FAQ which says nothing about these kinds of questions.  I'm pretty fed up.

I have decidedI am leaving this site for now, perhaps for good.

I can't stand the stress anymore of trying to deal with the changes here, the colors and the fonts I can't read etc. For the foreseeable future I will be using the galleries at the web site that hosts all my freebies:

http://www.planit3d.com/index.[htm

](http://www.planit3d.com/index.htm)The galleries here are simple straightforward easy to use and enjoy!  Try it you might like it!  :-)

Lyne
Lyne's Creations

My thread suddenly has "multiple advisories" by it... LOL!! Who/what did that? Big Brother?

Someone thought it would be amusing to hit the violence, nudity and language tags on their post. I've removed them, lest we are overrun by disappointed teenagers looking for naked, swearing women waving swords ;-)

Sorry to hear you're having trouble with some things, Lyne. I know Stac is running around like the proverbial blue-arsed fly right now, I'm sure she did not mean to give you the brush off or come off as angry with you. Let me try to answer some of your questions.

Favourites section - at the moment only you can see this, that's because the homepages haven't yet been converted over to the new php system. Once they are converted, people will once again be able to see your favourite artists, images, and any comments you've made.

Font size in the gallery - this can be increased via CSS. If you let me know which CSS sheet you're using, I'm happy to try fiddling with it to increase the font size in the galleries.

I know it's not ideal having users making their own style-sheets (although on the other hand, this does give you much more customisation options than if we'd made several different styles and just gave you the choice). It has been stated that this is a compromise measure put in at this time to give users access to different styles before we can get the pre-made style selections in. I have no idea when that will happen though, certainly not until the full conversion is complete.

Horizontal scrollbars - wow, that's a new one. Can you please send me a screenshot of the problem? and let me know which browser you're using.

Upload problems - can you let me know the problem you're having there, and I will try to help.

I will email this post to you as well.

Well, same problem here. we have several folders in our favourites, folders with images, fav artists, threads, market stuff etc. They have become useless.

They had one advantage: in the ol' days, people had names. Now they're a number. No way to know which is who's when looking at a link.

When visiting the galleries, you first hae to click that small text link top-right, then, at the bottom, to see on which page you are, you have to look for that number that is not underlined.

Lots of stats, but who's interested in thaese escept for someone graduating at university on the behaviour of visitors of Renderosity?

Lots of e-mail notifications of people having uploaded. Hell, when I/we visit, we're well capable of browsing our R. favourite artisits. And this is really ike spam. Yes. I can turn it off. For each one of them. I have to do the work.

Well, I just don't know anymore. I always liked the community, even the occasional troll was never a real, bad guy, but I guess I'll be looking for an alternative. The quality in the MP has gone down, some interesting vendors left...

Really: for us this is a drawback, butI cannot imagine any serious company wanting Bondware to design and code their sites.

Rosity: it's high time you do something about it! Your sources of income are unhappy and talking about divorce!

This style sheet option is a new one on me. How in the world do you go about altering a style sheet (CSS)? David

Attached Link: http://www.renderosity.com/mod/forumpro/showthread.php?thread_id=2652220

At the attached link are several example stylesheets created by members to control the gallery display to their liking. In this way you can control the colour of the background, links, colour and size of text, etc.

Hi Aeneas,

Changing urls to products, images, etc was always going to happen when we converted the site to php. The old .ez links cannot be redirected to the new pages because it is a totally different server platform. I guess you have saved the links in your browser favourites? If you can export the favourite file to an HTML document (File menu>export in Internet Explorer, other browsers will have it somewhere else) and send it to me on email (karen1573@renderosity.com) I'll be happy to run a search and replace on it to repoint the links to the new ones. You can then import the file back into your browser.

When visiting the galleries, you first hae to click that small text link top-right, then, at the bottom, to see on which page you are, you have to look for that number that is not underlined.

I'm not sure what you mean by this or why it is different to the old galleries. Could you be more specific?

Lots of e-mail notifications of people having uploaded. Hell, when I/we visit, we're well capable of browsing our R. favourite artisits. And this is really ike spam. Yes. I can turn it off. For each one of them. I have to do the work.

Well - we have always sent ebots for favourite artists uploads. Most people - like Lyne, who started this thread - are complaining because they're NOT receiving ebots for favourite artists! Most people want ebots for when their favourites upload, but we've given you the option to turn it off. I'm not really sure how this could be improved?

Hope this answers some concerns/questions.

I must say I find the changes to be very user unfriendly. It seems Renderosity would want visitors to have a pleasant experience when they come here, rather than spending their time trying to redesign the site. How do I get the drop down nav boxes back? Why do we have to go back to the Forums page to go to a different forum? :(

Hi Capces,

There is a drop down list at the bottom of each page of the forums :-)

I guess I do use the small font from this here, instead of the default because the default is even tinier!  I can hardly see the size small-but if I use anything larger than small I really have a lot of scrolling to do-which you see the screen capture I sent you.

It's my habit to go to the forums via the word forum at the top of the page, and long time ago I selected which forums to hide so my list is shorter.  But I still did not notice that drop down thing at the bottom of the page.  If someone had a really long list of forms they like to visit I imagine they might not even see that.

Thank you for your e-mail, at the very least it helps in trying to cope with the changes and to even consider staying here.  I also forgot to tell you the upload problems that I was having.  Because of having to make so many more selections in the upload process it's gotten cumbersome.  I browse to my files and had those addresses in the proper fields, and I had found the place to notify me and the place to allow comments, but just because I did not tick off "none" for the rating I got bounced back (oh here come the scrollbars!) To the upload page and everything I had entered already was gone so I had to re- browse to my files and fill everything out all over again.  I know this may sound like nothing but for a person with some physical disabilities every click of a mouse that is required and every field that one must type in takes that much more effort.  I am actually using a speech to text software program which works very well all over the Internet but has become overreactive and oddly acting here since the change.  At any given moment I may lose my entire post and that is not relaxing.  I understand the box that I am typing-speaking into right now has been created so that people can have all kinds of fancy fonts and icons etc. but for me it just actually makes it more difficult. 

BUT aside from the scrollbars-the need to have this box wider, I would not, of course, expect any changes just because my software has trouble with it.

By the way, in the galleries now that stupid pop-up with information about exactly time of uploading that comes up over the thumbnails is just- well -just annoying!  Unlike other gallery sites where the pop-up is actually the written words that the creator put in, I couldn't believe the pop-up just had time and date.  Information that is really of no use, I think?  Just makes the site more bulky with gadgets and bells and whistles.  Simple and clean is better.

Thanks again Karen for being so responsive.

Lyne,

One thing that a web site should consider is people visiting them with physical disabilities and the site should be simple to use for those people. The way Rosity is set up not, it's not that simple and disabled people can really have trouble with it. Instead of getting better for those people, Rosity has gotten harder for them to use and it's not the easiest site to use for people without disabilities like it was before the change.

Following  up on Lyne's posts about uploading: could the programmers find the time to implement a client-side validation check? Much easier to keep the existing data, less wasted bandwidth, better user experience. And not hard to do at all.

Lyne, I feel for you! But don't leave!!! I'm not getting ebots, either. I am a retired electrical engineer (machine tool), and also have a web design and PC repair business. I can tell by looking at this site that the programmers are in their early 20's, if that, and have  no idea what people really want. Their idea of really cool, is having the mouseover popups say "You are with AOL," blah, blah, blah. Are we supposed to be impressed with this???? Any hacker can use a proxy server and disguise their web address, so why are they bothering? I can tell they are boys, too. Why??? Because a woman programmer would have done it right the first time, LOL!!!

I'm not really sure on exactly what you mean, svdl, but I'll ask! (I think I know roughly what you mean but have no idea how complex or simple it would be.)

Lyne, I got your mail with the screenshot and css and I'll try to work something out for you.

Quote - Every change has been evidently implemented without any prior testing, cause all problems are found as we members lose site functionality feature by feature.

Renderosity ALWAYS implements without apparent prior testing, and they always break more things than they fix when they do upgrades.

I won't go on about this because I've done so in the past and it changed nothing, but if I did to a web design client what the programmers here do to the community, I'd expect to not only be fired, but sued, as well.

bonni

Hi Karen,

What I mean by client-side validation is a piece of Javascript that runs when the user clicks the Submit button. Instead of directly submitting the contents of the form to the server, the Javascript will first check if everything on the form is filled out OK. If not, an error message will be displayed and the contents will not be sent to the server.

Two advantages: 

• The script doesn't force a page reload. So every bit of information the user entered is still on the form, the user does not have to retype everything
• If the form contents are not valid, no bandwidth is wasted - the contents won't be uploaded, the server will not have to examine and reject them. It lessens the load on both network and server.

This kind of script is pretty standard. Any programmer worth his salt can make it in just about no time at all.

OK. I posted about this to the programmer and he advised that pressing the back button after the error message shouldn't lose all the data. So I've asked Lyne to check if she's pressing back, or if she's hitting the "upload" link again, as that would lose the data.

Pressing the "back" button doesn't lose everything, but it does lose the image and thumbnail data.

The counter script that determines the number of characters left also has a couple of bugs: and do not trigger the counter, neither do cut, copy and paste operations.
When the notes are getting big (less than 100 characters left) it' s a bit of hit and miss whether the server will accept the notes. Unlike the previous version of the galleries, where I have been able to upload a text consisting of 4090 characters, only six below the stated limit.

The counter script does do an accurate count of the characters. I examined the javascript, and it's correct. The problem is server side - I think the uploaded notes are formatted before a PHP script tries to insert them into the database.

Again, not a serious bug (definitely not as bad as the missing favorite ebots), but annoying nonetheless.

As I told karen in my e mail.. .I did not hit MY BROWSER BACK... I hit the rosity TEXT LINK: BACK when it said I had an error...and that is when I lost my stuff...but since Karen is helping me SO much, and now I can read the gallery font, I am going to indeed upload again, now to test... :)

Your the BEST Karen... uh....but I wish when I hit enter to do a new paragraph the font would stay the same size I CHOSE!! Can this be fixed?

Lyne

I MAY change my mind about leaving...I can SEE the print in the gallery now...I uploaded a fractal I made in artmatic pro...and can read the comments already! :) 

I am sharing my white font on black background Gallery css with another friend who needs larger font... ! Karen is taking a look at my forum css now too... hmmm what will happen when all the servers merge? (with a different css on each?!)...hmmm