After all the "Is Poser for perverts?" to and froing eFrontier seem to have settled the argument once and for all.

Just seen on the News at Ten on BBC One an article about Hi Tec (sic) Porn where they were at a "trade show" and who has a stand there????  Yup eFrontier and they got a nice little interview slot with Aunty too, showing us P7 and how you can change Sydney's face to make her the perfect "fantasy digital babe".

As soon as I can dig a link up off the BBC, or even eFrontier, I will be posting it.

I don;t post here often but after shouting abuse at the TV and screaming at hubby that they just confirmed the views that we are all a bunch of perverts because of the software we choose to use to create digital images I had to come and vent.

Gee thanks eFrontier - shoot us all in the foot why don't you!

Can't really blame eFrontier for gaining exposure in areas where their software has potential applications.

Note: I was going to say "expose themselves", but then that just perpetuates the 'Poser is for perverts" persona, doesn't it. ;P

Interesting nonetheless.  Hope you can get a link!

Me too - I'm refreshing the BBC site like mad as I am sure if they put it on their main broadcast then it will turn up there but I never have a lot of luck finding what I want there.

Remembering the name of the blinkin expo would help I guess..............lol

Edit:  I just hope that it was the same place as the CES and the reporter got confused and entered the wrong hall crosses fingers

i missed that , would love a link if you get one, both the beeb and ITV use poser figures for explaining stuff though, so that makes them perveeeeeerts too.

There was a digital art expo in London recently i think.

This was an adult entertainment expo and, as I recall was in Las Vegas.  I found an interesting interview with 2 brothers that make CG "adult" movies and got sidetracked so off to hunt I go.  In the mentime I have emailed the Piublic Relations Office at eFrontier to see if it was erroneous reportage by the BBC and they were in the CES exhibition.  I know the AEE expo is on at The Sands in Las Vegas, and the CES is on there as well.

An adult entertainment expo... in Las Vegas... who would've guessed. ;D

Does that make "Doctor Who" perverts as well.  I see that in the second season (David Tennant), "The Age of Steel", what appears to be James in wiremesh (when the 'President' and Tyler are meeting with Lumos about his new cyber invention)?

oh! right! i thought you meant the Beeb had been undercover ,infiltrating the poser community and concluded that they are a bunch of perverts, i imagined John Snow waving his "swingometer" around saying what percentage of Rendo' members are infact perverts!!

porno, or the use of poser to create porno, has few negative connotations for me. eventually the species may evolve to the point where this is the norm.

They used James Casual on the last episode of Nova Science NOW, on Public Broadcasting, showing a cool looking cyber-arm being used.

Anything can be used for porno.  I find it hysterical that E-frontier was there, but DAZ (owned by religious fundamentalists) wouldn't be caught advertising there. (Maybe buying in disguise. :lol:)  As an artist, I've drawn the full range of human activity over the years.

Guess what...........pencils can draw porno,too.

well, to paraphrase Willie Sutton, "Why do you make porno?
"'Cause that's where the money is"..;)

There's a whole thing of 'crazy something 3d world' site with nothing but Poser prawngagraphy out there.

Poser is a tool, and it's a poor craftsman that blames their tools..;)

I knew the karma from handing out free Poser 5 would have to be paid in some way..;)

One of the problems you might find tracking stuff down from the BBC is they now use a lot of external companies to make shows.

Round a mates watching very late night TV (before it was all phone in game shows) one night and there unmistakbly was a helicopter model with one of my first ever texture sets on a science show. 

Didn't know what the show was called but knew it was on a BBC digital channel. later on got some phone numbers. PR  dept. BBC action line nadda. never did find out  :( 

Still nice to see though.

why worry about the poser porn thing. we read books but that doesn't mean we read porn...now wheres my sizzler mag

seriously does anyone really care whether poser is used for porn or prom. whats wrong if it is used for porn. i'm sure theres a lot more things in life to worry about than v4 being morphed into the spit roast position

billy

If your Poser Renders our not perverted ,then you Art is not perverted.

You can not controal what others Render in Poser.

I've been a Artist for Decades used alot of deferent mediums.

More then once I've been accused of being evil,satanic,etc etc.

Since I am not religious it's all pointless.

I don't care who thinks what about my Art since I do my Art for me.

Do the Art you want to do.

Some will like it, some won't

Some will judge it, some won't

It's the price you pay to be a Artist

RorrKonn
http://www.atomic-3d.com

Hmm, well I don't see why the to-do over Poser being used to create porn. I'm sure it isn't the only 3D program used that way. And , if you think about it, some of the 3D programs produce such realistic characters that it's hard to tell them from photos. We all watch TV, read books (and some even write them) and porn is produced in book form and TV form. Yikes, that means we're all perverts no matter what we do!!!

I couldn't care less if people use Poser for porno, whatever whips your putter. But I think eFrontier showing up at a porno expo is just sad. Sounds like they're getting desperate, maybe Poser 7 isn't selling so well. Coldrake

There seems to be a big market for this 3D-simulated porno.  And since Poser is an oft-used tool in such endeavors, maybe they were 'invited'?  That'd be funny, but still sad. :)

It's hard to believe eFrontier wants to be associated with the porn industry. Coldrake

eFrontier from Asia correct ?

Do thay view porn like the west does.

We look threw a news papper on a publick subway

We don't look threw playboy on a publick subway

Thay might look threw playboy on a publick subway just as if it was a newspaper.

Thay say porns a billion $$$ a year bussiness.

eFrontier is a bussniss after all.

You don't want your share of a billion $$$'s ?

RorrKonn
http://www.atomic-3d.com

I believe Ulrich Klump was the e-frountier marketing guy I saw on the BBC clip.

Frisketus

Uli Klumpp was the guy and there is a video clip on the BBC site:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/nolavconsole/ukfs_news/hi/bb_wm_fs.stm?news=1&bbram=1&bbwm=1&nbram=1&nbwm=1&nol_storyid=6258023

About halfway through you see the eFrontier miniview.

I hold my hand up and say that I have images in my gallery that qualify as soft porn and I actually have no problem with people using the program for that output - it can be harder to make it look good than a clothed image ater all.  In fact I will probably rush off now and do a nice soft focus nudey image after my first coffee of the day.  

My problem with it all is that Poser is so much more than just a cheapo porn tool and that is the impression that I got off the BBC - "Lifelike Digital Puppets for adults" sticks in my craw somewhat and to me cheapens the whole user base as much as those that state Poser is for perverts before knowing thing one about it.

Calm down, calm down.  I've been to the CES and AVN Expos and t isn't as cheap and taudry as you might think or as the media plays up.  I mean, yes, there is a lot of what you might expect at the Adult show, but there is a huge amount that you would not expect.  Many legitimate companies have small booths there as a spin off of the main CES.

Fact is the Adult Expo gres out of the CES.  A number of years back when adult material was growing on the internet, these yearly expos in Vegas kept seeing more and more adult businesses showing up and popping up (no pun intended).  It finally came to a point where they had to split the Expo because the Adult side was overshadowing the other side.  But, they have long enjoyed a healthy relationship.

Fact is, the Adult industry is and always has been on the cutting edge of Technology.  The Adult industry was the industry that made VHS succeed over Beta, it was the Adult industry that started utilizing streaming video for commercial purposes and it is the adult industry that made the internet the world wide market place it is today.

A tech company that has an item for market that can even remotely be exploited by the adult industry is being irresponsible if they do not try to make some kind of inroads.  If they don't, their competitors will and it will be the difference between success and corporate suicide.

Years ago Curious Labs had a little questionaire and I remember it very well.  They were doing market research.  They asked many questions and one question that was asked in at least three different ways was "do you use Poser for Adult purposes, if so is it commerecially or privately".

They've known for a long time what the score is.

Don't kid yourself.  Renderosity does not have as many members and patrons as Renderotica.

To own Poser, the first thing you have to do is recognize where your bread is buttered.

Well they had right idea to go thier as thier is lot's money to be made, go wherever money to be made, after all the way it's going jesus tony blairs anti english goverment will ban 3d programs next couple years.
as programs being used for porn so talking to one loony toon i no over here, some sites that post 3d art will soon be banned from access from uk, hell thank's to blair england will be the 2nd muslim nation in europe in 50 years time, after holland then either france or spain.

It was amusing to watch folks squirm over the notion that using Poser makes you a pervert. It's a bit like having to admit you masturbate, I suppose. This first time is a bit embarrassing.

The "Poser is for perverts" thread got subtly derailed by the idea that using Poser means you are a pervert. The two things are quite different. An open-minded adult shop might sell a device whose primary function is to facilitate rendering women helpless so you can ram sharp objects into them. (I believe a virtual device of that sort is available at the less hypocritical cousin site.) If you buy one to display on your mantle or use as a paperweight, that doesn't make you a person who actually likes to think about doing that or ever, ever really would. No way. Really.

Poser is "for" perverts in the sense, as eF has now clarified, that it is, unlike other 3D programs, designed specifically to make the production of "adult" (that wonderfully ironic word) content easier. As I suggested in that thread, count the polys on Syd's perineum and tell me why it's so important, artistically, that your model have fully extendable labia minora. Then we'll talk about how porn's connection to Poser is just a coincidence.

Poser is now officially a tool for creating 3D porn. And like most porn, it has a slick surface beneath which is clunky crap. Poser 7 is full of bugs? Who cares, man, Sydney has a asshole!!

i saw the clip last night on news24 and it didn't really come across like poser was associated with porn at all, the bit i saw had the "babes" that sprawl over cars and the ones for your mobile phone wallpaper, so i think poser was being represented as an avenue for creating digital beauty, so if car sprawling babes are also called "porn" then i guess that's where a porn link would be to poser, but it came across like groups could of turned up there being quite "mild" in nature, like maybe a bikini calender company or something( not really porn). I know poser gets used to make "harder" stuff but i don't think that is what E frontier were there showing at that expo.the poser clip that they showed was just a head shot of someone by the way.

Oh I missed that... was watching Ugly Betty on C4 at that time instead of the news. Thanks for the link ! Jeeze I do most of my posting at Rotica, soft core R stuff mainly. It sure does NOT make me a pervert, nor is E-Frontier being on the news at that trade show "sad". What's sad is so many worring about these things in the first place... and being in such a rush to whack a label on to others.

Oh please, hearing all the whining and arguments about "only perverts use Poser" on other forums is about as hypocritical as a priest giving a sermon on the sins of homosexuality.

I've seen some pretty raunchy porn made with Maya, and other "respectable" high end 3D programs, it's not just Poser that's used for naughty fantasies of the artist.

I've worked in the art and communication industries for many many moons, I was a photographer, a radio DJ, and a news reporter on 2 different channels in my home town.  

Lemme tell ya a dark little secret, those who are the preachiest in the daylight...are the freakiest in the dark.

Well I do agree with the original poster.  IMO Poser should distance itself from the porn industry.  Its not like you need to advertise  it can be used for porn!  Even the the stupidist pervert can see that you can pop a naked Woman in the program.  

While they are busy advertising how Poser is used for porn (too supposedly inform someone as dumb as a box of rocks of this potential)  Im much less likely to tell any family or friends I use the program - and indeed much less likely to use it.  

If you are going to advertise to the porn market you better be ready to make that your only market.   Your program will get an embarrassing taint for the rest of the world.

SSSSSHHHHHHH!!!!!!! You just outed half the Southern Baptists in the world!

Does anyone read the rest of the posts before they go off?

I will reiterate:

A LOT OF COMPANIES HAVE BOOTHS AT THE ADULT EXPO!

When i was there about 4 years back, there was a booth for every single interent service provider, webcam company, major telecommunitcations companies, hardware dealers, software makers, they were all there!

The adult industry is a multi-billion dollar business.  Everyone who goes to Vegas in January tries to get into the Adult Expo.  It is ligititamate for Poser to be there.

If you are going to stop using Poser because you saw on TV that they were at the Adult Expo in Vegas, then you might want to get off your high f#cking horse and stop using your internet and operating system, because you can bet they had representatives there too!

Oh, and maybe you should stop buying nudie meshes of Vicky and downloading the latest male texture that includes a texture for his pee-pee.

Grow up!  The world is a lot more complex then in your sheltered little world!

BTW, yes, I am really grumpy when I first wake up in the morning.

**dphoadley @****ThrommArcadia

**Was Microsoft there too?! (Shock!)  You mean that WindowsXP is a tool for perverts too?! (Double Shock)

Dear L-rd, what is this world comming to, all those XP using pervs...Hey wait, I use XP too!!!  Threrefore, I must be a pervert too!
DPH

Too many ebots, un-bookmarking!

Hrmn. History may be about to repeat itself, as we are on the topic of porn. Seems that Sony has come out and flatly stated that they will not permit any porn to be produced for blu-ray. Same as they they did for that long dead thing called a betamax video tape (which was technically superior to VHS). Add the fact that HD is backwards compatible with DVD9, and blu is backwards compatible with nothing whatsoever (plus the fact that Nintendo has buried the PS3 so far in sales), we might be seeing Sony eating it once again. Another reason to show up at the AEE; you can pick up on all sorts of early adoption issues for new technologies, because the Big Boys are too busy Looking Impressiver at CES to really cover their asses elsewhere. And dp? -Anything- that shoves a browser application under the hood of an OS and claims it to =be= part of the OS is perverted. Not to mention a security nightmare... :P

dphoadley @ Dale B
"And dp? -Anything- that shoves a browser application under the hood of an OS and claims it to =be= part of the OS is perverted. Not to mention a security nightmare... :P"

Which is why, the moment I heard about it, I downloaded FireFox.  As i understand it, from its very nature, it's a much more secure App.

As for the other stuff, I think it's great that EF was at the convention.  It means that a lot of interested money is going to be looking at an app that can approximately deliver to them their inner most fantasies, without the fuss of involving flesh and blood individuals in dubious practices.  Thus, the more people and money that get nvolved with Poser can only accrue to our advantage.
David P. Hoadley

Seems that Sony has come out and flatly stated that they will not permit any porn to be produced for blu-ray.

No way!! Well that's the end of blu-ray then.
Do these people live in a bubble under the sea or something?

dphoadley @ karen1573[
quote] Seems that Sony has come out and flatly stated that they will not permit any porn to be produced for blu-ray.

No way!! Well that's the end of blu-ray then.
Do these people live in a bubble under the sea or something?

It could also mean an end to DAZ, with its stubborn resistance to Human anatomy, as a Poser figure provider.  If porn companies want to take an interest in Poser, then they'll also want Poser figures that fulfill their needs.  this could be the harbinger of a renewedinterest in such figures as DSI's Dina V and Natalia, and possibly even Judy and her hybrids.  Magic G add-ons just don't compare with figures that come pre-equipped with the 'Real Thing'.
Just a thought, and if I'm wrong, it won't be the first time.
David P. Hoadley

Thinking about it though, would the speed (or lack of) Poser's rendering engine (for animation purposes) not mean it would be cheaper to use live actors, etc?

dphoadley @ Karen1573
Cheaper than Jail Time?  Cheaper than being constantly harassed by the law because some starlet turned out to be underaged?  Hardly think so.   And with this kind of attention, who says that the Poser render engine will remain slow?  With their kind of clout, real time will probably be a reality sooner than we think.
Of course, I could be all wrong, and it won't be the first time either.
David P. Hoadley

Poser isn't up to the kinds of photorealistic effects that the average watcher of porn would expect. And you won't find many backers for the kind of time and cash investment even a modest CG porn flick would cost. Live action for the hardcore for some time to come... However. Scene planning, lighting layout, animatics, all of those things could be used in the better made porn flicks to speed up the process.

What does one get from artificial 3D models for sex is beyond me.  Dont they have enough man hood about them to get real women for their sex pleasures.
 Never will understand how some peoples mind works with regards to 3d sex and having it instead of living in the real world with a real person.  After 40 yrs of marriage I have never had to resort to 3D for sex of which I dont understand how anyone gets any pleasure from it is beyond my thinking.  Lot sick minds in this old big world.

  I agree efrontier should not be endorsing porn for their software. :(

"After 40 yrs of marriage I have never had to resort to 3D for sex of which I dont understand how anyone gets any pleasure from it is beyond my thinking.  Lot sick minds in this old big world."

And what about 2D?  Have you never read a Playboy?  As far as being sick, yes I guess I am.
DPH

Nope never did waste any money on porn magazines like playboy or the others.  Why need to when happly married. :)
 Not only that I had to be careful where my money was spent and not wasted on that kind of junk. :)

"porn magazines like playboy"

I guess that says it all.  I thank G-d that I'm heathily sick.
David P. Hoadley

Quote - Nope never did waste any money on porn magazines like playboy or the others.  Why need to when happly married. :)
 Not only that I had to be careful where my money was spent and not wasted on that kind of junk. :)

Yeah, it's so much easier and cheaper to look it up on the internet.

Yeah, it's so much easier and cheaper to look it up on the internet.

snort

StevieG, you owe me a new keyboard, dude, since this one was just the recipient of an unfortunate vodka-and-lemonade nasal spray!

i hadn't thought of that Blu-ray link Karen, they said at the lauch of the Xbox360 and Nintendo wii(whatever) that sony may of cocked it up for themselves by releasing thier machine after xmas, but it could be the porn industry that decide whether blu-ray makes it or is the beta-max.

I don't really see sonys problem though as it is not as though they would need to advertise porn on blu-ray themselves, they just have to advertise there product in regards to music quality and film quality,and i would imagine that the porn industry would rather advertise what they are selling as apposed to advertising what format it is on.

Does anybody know what format the Xbox360 disk is and or the new Nintendo,are they the same?

that playboy being porn comment was what i was getting at earlier in this thread, if anything that has flesh showing in it is called porn nowadays, then poser will be regarded as porn eventually.

Marilyn Monroe did Playboy, but i don't think i have or ever will hear anyone refer to Marilyn Monroe as a pornstar. One of Marilyns Playboy photos was used on the cover of "Advanced Photoshop" magazine recently.

Quote - One of Marilyns Playboy photos was used on the cover of "Advanced Photoshop" magazine recently.

Did you read about what they did to restore the old photo?  They managed to isolate the two images in an accidental double exposure.  A photo that would have ended up forever as an oddity as best and in the trash at worst was saved and as it is, was maybe the best pose int he bunch, as it is the only one where Marylin was looking at the camera.

Amazing work, something that just 20 years ago was completely impossible.  10 years ago it would have been a lot of work.

Well, I guess photoshop is for porn.  We better stop using it. lol.

Actually the porn industry is probably a little leery of both formats at the moment. Think about it; the only real brag for either HD or blu-ray is increased resolution. Remember the change from film to VHS? The actors in the films tended to look a lot 'nicer' in the alltogether due to the film's blurring of the skin's natural blemishes. Videotape was a lot less forgiving. The new formats will be even less forgiving. On a VHS you might perceive a perfectly shaved vulva on a starlet. Move to DVD and you have more detail, and things aren't quite as fantasy smooth as they were. Up the pixel resolution yet again, and you are getting into the area of being able to perceive stubble, blocked pores, slight razor burn, etc. The bad side is that there will be a lot of porn created that you really don't -want- to watch. The upside is it could very well force better production values on those who want to survive.

Quote - Does anybody know what format the Xbox360 disk is and or the new Nintendo,are they the same?

The PS3 is Blu-Ray, Xbox360 is High Def, but, I don't recall what the Wii format is set at.  

I'm sorry, but, I think the Blu-Ray is going to be the "BetaMax" of the format wars this time around.  Sony is a little too snobbish for the masses and with their current set of stand alone players on the market, with the $1000 price tag...nah.  The quality of the picture I've seen ain't that impressive.  The only good deal I've seen so far is the PS3 with a built in Blu-Ray player at $600 for the high end console (60 gig hard drive), and who is going to burn out a game consol playing movies?  Actually, I think Sony is going to be the big loser this time around in the game war as well...what was it? 11 games at launch, nothing coming out until at least the beginning of March?  Wii (who had 15 games at launch)  is now second in sales to Xbox 360 (who had 25 games at launch)?

Sorry, went way OT...back to our regularly scheduled program...

Quote - dphoadley @ Karen1573
Cheaper than Jail Time?  Cheaper than being constantly harassed by the law because some starlet turned out to be underaged? 

Odd you should mention this. My brother's new commercial venture http://www.alpineshelter.com/ deals with preventing that sort of problem.