Are there really people that think this is kinky or exciting?
http://market.renderosity.com/mod/bcs/index.php?ViewProduct=64522&TopID=11219.&AID=108

In real life I mean
I have seen schooluniforms and maid uniforms that are clearly cut to excite and everyone has his own pleasure as long as it doesn't abuse others.
BUt a firefighters uniform of a miniskirt snit? please, that is the other side of sexy I think. Effective protection in the line of duty it certainly won't give.

surprice that it is a product of an artist who most times excells in very all American value items

since when has effective protection from anything been a prime motivator for Vickies clothing ?

It's a goofy fetish piece.  Nothing more.  For the very most part... Fetishes are NOT reasonable.  That is WHY they are fetishes, as compared to mainstream sexually stimulating items.

Each to their own perversion, I suppose.  I don't get it either.

If you want a realistic firefighter outfit for Vicky, better go to Poserworld. This one, while cool, is more of an exotic dancer's costume, imho. Or something the Village People would wear if they were a girl group.

It does nothing for me either, even wrapped around a shapely figure and a good pair of legs.

But then neither does a full latex suit, whereas many will find that the height of eroticism. (I wouldn't use the words kinky or perverse, since they are relative, subjective terms, meaning different things to each of us).

And what exactly are "American values"? The values held by Americans? Well, they surely encompass the widest extremes of morality and ethics seen anywhere else in the world!

kamion - I looked at your gallery, and begin (maybe) to understand your view on this. I hope I caused no offence with my comment about American values. I, like the vast majority of decent folk in the world, would hate to think that anything I said or did offended those who have been affected by such a human tragedy, whoever actually perpetrated it.
Izi

I use perverse in the most commonly used defination as typified by dictionary dot com.

Perverse: 1. willfully determined or disposed to go counter to what is expected or desired; contrary. 2. characterized by or proceeding from such a determination or disposition: a perverse mood. 3. wayward or cantankerous.
In my life experience, I have seen all the people around me use terms in a relative, subjective way, with meanings different to different people.  As such--any term I use is subjective and relative to me. :lol: Can't help it.

joelglaine - I understand. I meant no criticism of you or kamion, it's just a personal preference.

That we use the same words to mean different things when trying to communicate with each other is precisely what so often makes our communications so full of misunderstandings and apparent disagreements!

Izi :O)

Quote - It does nothing for me either, even wrapped around a shapely figure and a good pair of legs.

But then neither does a full latex suit, whereas many will find that the height of eroticism. (I wouldn't use the words kinky or perverse, since they are relative, subjective terms, meaning different things to each of us).

And what exactly are "American values"? The values held by Americans? Well, they surely encompass the widest extremes of morality and ethics seen anywhere else in the world!

"All American" values is an idiomatic phrase used around the US to mean Conservative american family values. Not really meant to reflect or encompass all the goofy things that happen across america, or even to be indicative of the morality of an average american.
It's usually meant as something to strive for, and a set of values stemming from almost puritanical roots of a group of early americans. 

It's definately not a phrase that reflects current average range of values in the US. In other words "All american" values does not equal "current American values".

The way I see it.

Kinky: using a feather
Perverse: using the whole chicken

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Connie - thanks for explaining that, I was quite ignorant of the meaning of that phrase until now. Apologies, kamion, for misunderstanding you. As I said in reply to joelglaine, it's so easy for our meaningful words to mean something different to someone else.
Izi

Kinky? More of a fetish / sexy fantasy  type outfit than "kinky".

If you look through the stores you will find sexy, scant outfits for nurses, warriors, and apparently fire fighters.

As a nurse I have never worn, nor have I ever seen anyone wear a low cut top, tight mini skirt and high heels to work.

And if I were a medieval warrior, I sure wouldn't be wearing some of the armor for Vicky that you find around here to go slay dragons.

I guess some people find women in a position of power sexy, so that outfit is meant to play up to that fantasy.

As someone above said, it's not what is about "reasonable", it's more along the lines of a guy who burnt his  toast and a beautiful, scantly clad female fire fighter comes to his rescue to put the fire out .... in more ways than one wink

I have many fetishes (most of which I could never explain here :blink: ) but that outfit just does nothing for me.
But, each to their own.

After seeing the costume, one could say it's fetish, but it also reminds me somewhat of some fashions I saw in old magazines from the late 50's and 60's my mom still had in a forgotten cabinet. Mini skirts were in in the 60's, so was the shiny vinyl look and the boots. Not an extreme fetish look as some of the costumes in my runtime for V3 or a few of the very micro bathing suits I've found for V4. Actually I'd like a few more fetish outfits for V4 or conversions of some of the nice ones I have for V3.

"As someone above said, it's not what is about "reasonable", it's more along the lines of a guy who burnt his  toast and a beautiful, scantly clad female fire fighter comes to his rescue to put the fire out .... in more ways than one wink"

Why couldn't it be a girl who burnt her toast and a beautiful, scantly clad female fire fighter comes to her rescue to put the fire out .... in more ways than one.  I'm sure there are guys and girls that would like to see that.

As for the outfit, I'm surprised Daz didn't do it and they claim they are very family value orientated.

Quote - scantly clad female fire fighter comes to her rescue to put the fire out .... in more ways than one.

Now we're talkin'!! :tongue1:

Quote - > Quote - scantly clad female fire fighter comes to her rescue to put the fire out .... in more ways than one.

Now we're talkin'!! :tongue1:

:laugh:  Your editing has not gone un-noticed!  tongue1:

This is NOT kinky. Not even CLOSE to kinky. You want kinky, check some of Latexluv's works. Some of those are KINKY.

This is just a raincoat with a definite 1960's flair to it. No kink involved.   :biggrin:

The outfit that the OP links to is somewhat - strange.

The top is sensible and protective, and not provocative, sexy or kinky at all.
The miniskirt and the nylons on the other hand are items a real firefighter would never wear - an excellent way to get your legs badly burned in case of a fire! (Especialy those nylons). And they're quite sexy, though not "over the top", definitely still street legal.

Seems like the creator of the set didn't really know what he/she wanted - a firefighter "playsuit" (I've seen images of those on the Net, they can be quite racy) or a real firefighter suit.
This is neither one nor the other.

Yep, that about sums it up. Neither one nor the other, don't quite know what to make of it.

It's not just Poser. Just finished watching part of "Arthur", in which Gwenhwyver not only joins the final battle, but, unlike the head-to-toe armor of the men, she's wearing a halter top and mini-skirt. I don't know about you, but seeing a 90-lb, scantily clad woman whacking at a huge, armored Saxon makes absolutely no sense. Compared to that, a firefighter who replaced the bulky britches with fishnet stockings doesn't seem that weird.

it's all fantasy attire

I don't think such attire is meant to represent real-life operational quality

there are more realistically protective representations over at the Content Paradise store

Well, it goes back further than that.   Have a look at the friezes from the Mausoleum of Halicarnassus, the surviving pieces of which are in the British Museum.   They depict Greeks (male) fighting Amazons (female, bien sûr).   The Amazons aren't wearing any protective clothing and the Greeks aren't wearing a huge amount of anything.    Obviously, the elfin safety crowd were less influential in those days.

I don't know, I can see such and outfit coming out on "intertainment" at, say, a bachelor party or adult oriented birthday party for a fireman or volenteer fireman.  Having been a volenteer fireman in both a residential and industrial setting until my health interfered, I have met a number of people I can honestly say would have such an attraction at such an event.

I certainly done;t see it as offensive, either in intent or practice, any more than a sexy police uniform or a sexy maid uniform (which can be used for much the same purpose)... My Mom worked as a maid for some time. I've know several police officers and been proud to call them freinds. I don;t associate the racy costumes in the MP with either of those occupations. They are totally different from the reality.

I have also looked over your gallery Kamion and can see the major theme in it, I can only say that I'm sure no offense to ANYONE was meant by the merchant, he proably just noticed a similar outfit somewhere and felt like modelling it (that's how I get much of my inspiration). I certainly hope that you can see past any prejudice you might have , and not let it eat at you, since I don;t feel this to be in anyway demeaning to the true heroes who wear the real turn out gear.

Speaking as a firefighter, you can get turnout gear-based jackets (basically the same fabric, reflective stripes and all) for casual use.  So while it's not something anyone would wear to a fire, I can see someone having it to wear.

With a change of texture this outfit should prove to be useful for a variety of outfits.

Quote - It's not just Poser. Just finished watching part of "Arthur", in which Gwenhwyver not only joins the final battle, but, unlike the head-to-toe armor of the men, she's wearing a halter top and mini-skirt. I don't know about you, but seeing a 90-lb, scantily clad woman whacking at a huge, armored Saxon makes absolutely no sense. Compared to that, a firefighter who replaced the bulky britches with fishnet stockings doesn't seem that weird.

As an aside to the commenting on the firefighter costume....

In the movie "Arthur" Guinevere was  depicted as Merlin's daughter and  her "tribe" even though called "woads" in the movie were supposedly  portraying the Pictish people.  In legend and history they were known to paint their bodies  before battle with blue and  go into battle half naked or naked. 

So the scantily clad Guinevere would have been in keeping with that legend/history.

I know this reply is totally random, but just wanted to point that out, since in this particular case, it would be portrayed as it should be. :)

*In the movie "Arthur" Guinevere was  depicted as Merlin's daughter and  her "tribe" even though called "woads" in the movie were supposedly  portraying the Pictish people.  In legend and history they were known to paint their bodies  before battle with blue and  go into battle half naked or naked. 

So the scantily clad Guinevere would have been in keeping with that legend/history.

I know this reply is totally random, but just wanted to point that out, since in this particular case, it would be portrayed as it should be. :)

The name "Pictish", from the Latin for *painted", seems to have been applied to the people of Iron Age northern Britain for no better reason than that no-one knew what else to call them.   The people recorded as wearing woad were actually the southern tribes, who faced the invasions of Julius Caesar in 55 and 54 BC.   Caesar had his own reasons for exaggerating the outlandish behaviour of his opponents and I doubt whether fighting wearing nothing but dye was ever commonplace.   Either way, the epithet "painted" got transferred to the opposite end of the island, possibly in the time of Septimius Severus, who campaigned against the peoples of the north.   

The convenient terms "Scottish", "English" and "Welsh" became available only after the end of the Roman occupation, with the "Scottish" being invaders from Ulster, the "English" invaders from the North Sea coast of the European mainland and "Welsh" being what the English called the existing inhabitants - it means "foreigners".   Strictly speaking, the "King Arthur" film should have pitted the "British" against the "English", with the "English" referring to the "British" as "Welsh".   Maybe, somebody thought that that would confuse one or two viewers.

Culturally and politically, the Picts vanished in the early Middle Ages, although I think that their DNA has probably proved much more robust.

Wasn't "Arthur" the one with Dudley Moore and Lisa Minnelli?

Culturally and politically, the Picts vanished in the early Middle Ages, although I think that their DNA has probably proved much more robust.

Actually the appearance of people that are called "celtic types" in the anglo-saxon modern use of description is pictish rather than gaelic.

But as far as I know my Bello Gallico, G. J. Caesar didn't mention any firefighter coats, neither on the pictish nor on the celtic side.

Failté dom gaeltacht.

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Why is this product any different then the rest of the products that are similar flooding the MP? Personally from what I've been seeing in the MP over the last half of the year does nothing but not make me want to purchase a darn thing or very little as far as clothing items are concerned. Again, a strip of cloth here and there and a weapon an outfit does not make but I guess it's easier to model something like that than to actually create something with thought.

American values ya say? Please don't judge the American people by the face of the present administration. Not all of us speak different things from different corners of our mouths or buy into
our own "Goodness".

*Again, a strip of cloth here and there and a weapon an outfit does not make but I guess it's easier to model something like that than to actually create something with thought.

*Making a good outfit (with some ideas, some fabric and some geometry and a couple of orderly, working morphs) takes several days. An ok'ish texturing that can even take geometrical patterns and look good, takes some more.  And than you figure out it doesn't sell good enough to give you at least more than one (1) $ per hour. While the huuushuuuush products sell. So what are you doing: let it be, or make what the people want. It's that easy.

Please don't judge the American people by the face of the present administration.

Every nation has the government they deserve. Like mine.

well, the Gaulish Fire Departments were divided into 3 parts...;)

I always though 'woad' was the substance they used to paint their bodies blue.

I think with all the protective gear on, you wouldn't be able to tell the Girl from Apollo Maximus...;)

well, the Gaulish Fire Departments were divided into 3 parts...;)  

(he read the book...)

Caesar had his own reasons for exaggerating the outlandish behaviour of his opponents and I doubt whether fighting wearing nothing but dye was ever commonplace.

More writers than Caesar made that reference, so while it may not have been common, it probably did take place.  Compare with the Norse Berserkers, who may not have been around all the time or very often, but there are sufficient references to them to assume they actually existed.

A man from Norway
[apply PIRACY morph]

• a Viking
  [apply BLOODRUSH morph]
• a Berserk

A Berserk is nothing else than a norse Pirat (aka Viking) (an average job at this time) that "turned berserk" - fell into bloodrush. According to manifold references in monasters down the Rhine river.

A monk, nailed to the floor face down, his arms spread out, his back carefully cut open left and right of the backbone, the lung also carefully spread out over the shoulders, was called a "Bloodeagle" - a sign the Vikings went berserk.
(Not my style, but still in practise at the tax-authorities in most countries.)

Would the monk have worn a fire-fighter coat, this would either haven't happened, or they would have found this very monk first, because of the yellow safety stripes.

That's how fire-fighter coats can change (or end) a live - and lead a thread totally off topic....

*Actually the appearance of people that are called "celtic types" in the anglo-saxon modern use of description is pictish rather than gaelic.

*Ermmm...  Since we don't know what the "Picts" looked like (beyond the likelihood that they did not paint themselves blue), that's pretty speculative.   I already alluded to the current belief that the Irish and Angle invasions (and, for that matter, the Danish and Norman invasions) didn't make a huge dent in the indigenous DNA in Britain.   "Gaelic" and "Celtic" aren't racial terms, but primarily linguistic;  Breton and Welsh are "Celtic", without being "Gaelic", and a man's ability (or inability) to speak Breton tells you nothing about his appearance.

*I always though 'woad' was the substance they used to paint their bodies blue.

*Yep, it has a yellow flower, but produces a blue dye.  I bet that gave them a surprise, the first time they tried it.

Don't confuse me more than I already am. Are we now saying that firefighters paint themselves blue? Or was it that Picts should have worn the firefighters' jacket? And don't call my Norse ancestors pirates. They just believed in free trade (as in whatever they wanted should be free.) ;) I missed the beginning of that film on Arthur, but the shock of seeing a blue Gwenhwyver and a Roman Arthur caused brain freeze. Methinks both Gwen and Merlin (Merddin?) would be aghast at a) being called Picts, and b) being listed as father and daughter. But all three would have said "Nos da".

Well I could see Vicki doing a private bedroom striptease for her fire fighting  husband before a romp in the hay. Or a series of Vicki's dancing in this at some fire fighters charity fund rasier.  Or background dancers for some singer, singing the Doors oldies, "Come on Baby light my fire!" Or at some fire fighters bachelor party. Friend of mine is local PD, and yes their were two dancing girls dressed in a skimpy police shorts outfit at his bachelor party :) So to me it is not fetish in the sense I believe everyone thinks. But fetish realism that happens all the time.

The online Oxford English Dictionary descibes 'Kinky' thus :

kinky   • adjective (kinkier, kinkiest) 1 having kinks or twists. 2 informal involving or given to unusual sexual behaviour

I guess on that basis the answer to your question is probably yes ! Which of course doesn't mean we have to like it. I would probably refer to it as Fantasy rather than Kinky because it seems to me that the vast majority of contributions to this and similar sites fulfill a need on the part of the artists (me included) , suppliers and voyers to produce Fantasy art. The same source describes fantasy as :

fantasy  • noun (pl. fantasies) 1 the imagining of improbable or impossible things. 2 an idea with no basis in reality. 3 a genre of imaginative fiction involving magic and adventure.

As a non American I couldn't possibly comment on American values !

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As a non American I couldn't possibly comment on American values !
 

As an American who disagreed with the current administration of America on almost everything they did while touting 'American Values'--I couldn't possibly comment on American values either!!
:lol: LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

I'm going do something easier than commenting on American Values......I'll wrestle unicorns, or juggle dragons!  They might be more real.  Or at least, less contradictory and less inflammatory, AND more understandable.  LOLOLOLOLOLOL