This probably been answered but I haven't found the answer yet. But I installed V4.2, Keep in mind I didn't remove the v4.1. So now in my daz figures folder I have seperate Icons one for 4.2 and one for 4.1.

So now my question is if i load 4.1 will it still work properly, also do i have to add the morphs to 4.1 like I do 4.2 now. I know before I didn't have to do that before 4.2 release. Reason I'm asking I have some items that will only work with 4.1 there is no update for 4.2 so far, so just wonder if I can still use those items or are the a lost cause unless i take off 4.2.

Lol hope i didnt confuse you all there.

I have the same question and have been sitting on V4.2 because I haven't found the answer.

Well I just realized it tonight when I bought a product that said will only work on V4.1 only so far i haven't seen an issue, but then again I'm not sure any more when I click the v4.1 icon if its loading V4.1 or V4.2 cause I thought I read somewhere that they are both v4.2 once you install the newer version I could be wrong and hoping to find out here.

You can have both in your runtime if you install 4.2 to a temp folder first and then manually put it into your runtime, that's my understanding of it but I could be wrong, but like you guys, V4.2 is still packaged and I see no need to install here yet!
V4.1 works fine for me and anything that says it's for V4.2 will work with 4.1

i have 4, 4.1 and 4.2 installed and i can use them all without issue, if you let the installer do its thing, you should have no problems what so ever :)

Quote - i have 4, 4.1 and 4.2 installed and i can use them all without issue, if you let the installer do its thing, you should have no problems what so ever :)

I haven't installed V4.2 either. I was told that when you install V4.2 it overwrites V4.1

So far as installing V4.2 to a temporary directory and manually moving the files, how do you do that? When I installed V4.1 I couldn't install it to any folder other than the main Poser 6 runtime. I assume that it's the same for V4.2 as well.

Yeah, they took something easy and straightforward and made it needlessly complex.
Not just that, but IMO, the fact you have to install V 4.1 or 4.2 into the main Poser directory shows a blatant disregard for those of us who keep all our content elsewhere.
I could back up all my Poser stuff onto some DVD's or an external HDD in preparation for a complete reformat, but forget that V4 is in the Poser program directory, and be SOL.

Yeah, this for sure was the dumbest thing I seen Daz do. Hopefully someone can come along and show us a I have v4 and all the updates wtf do I do for dummies guide :(

Quote - Yeah, this for sure was the dumbest thing I seen Daz do. Hopefully someone can come along and show us a I have v4 and all the updates wtf do I do for dummies guide :(

Since you have both installed now. Why not try it out?

Load V4.1 and go and inject a character addon. If you can inject it like you did before  without poser searching for a gazillion morph files, then you know V4.1 still works fine.

If you get a bunch of errors where Poser is looking for something, then you have the answer.

You can install it to a temp directory, the DAZ installers give you an option early on as to where to put it, type in your own path to the temp folder and it will install there!
You will then have to move the files manually to your Poser installation, but yes it has to be in your main Poser runtime!!
Moving files manually is just a simple cut and paste operation!!

Quote - So far as installing V4.2 to a temporary directory and manually moving the files, how do you do that? When I installed V4.1 I couldn't install it to any folder other than the main Poser 6 runtime. I assume that it's the same for V4.2 as well.

The simplest method is to copy the Poser.exe to the folder you want to install V4 to. That single file is all the DAZ installer looks for, if it's in the folder you want to install to, it'll proceed with the installation, regardless of whether the folder is the main Poser one, or any other.

It's still a good idea to install V4 to the main Poser runtime though, otherwise loading her and injecting her morphs takes significantly longer (almost "go get yourself a cup of coffee" longer).

Quote - > Quote - Yeah, this for sure was the dumbest thing I seen Daz do. Hopefully someone can come along and show us a I have v4 and all the updates wtf do I do for dummies guide :(

Since you have both installed now. Why not try it out?

Load V4.1 and go and inject a character addon. If you can inject it like you did before  without poser searching for a gazillion morph files, then you know V4.1 still works fine.

If you get a bunch of errors where Poser is looking for something, then you have the answer.

Well my one question I have I thought i read some where that the v4.1 icon will still be in your figures folder but it will be actually loaded if you load it from that icon. So if this is the case you have a V4.1 icon and a V4.2 icon and if you load either they are both loading V4.2 correct?

So if that is the case then how do you tell which figure is being loaded. If I can figure that out then I can test your theory. Be nice if Daz would help us differentate between the two by having it say on your figure selection in the scene say V4.1 or V4.2. That might have been smart.

Quote - How do you tell which figure is being loaded.

V4.1 comes with morphs in it already, while V4.2 needs you to load them before being able to inject a character morph.

If you load V4.1 into your scene and can inject a charactrer morph like you did before, then V4.1 is working as she always has.  However, if you find that when you load V4.1 and go to inject a character addon  and Poser starts asking for a bunch of files, you know that V4.1 has been over written and it's V4.2 that actually loaded. In which case before you apply furture character addons you will have to go and inject the head and body morphs for the figure first.

You won't break anything by trying it.  The worse that will happen is that you will have to CTRL ALT DEL and close Poser  if it gets hung up.

Well I clicked the V4.1 icon and it loaded in but with out the morphs, meaning none show up in the parameter dials.

Next I tried to load a body and face character injections into the character and nothing which tells me if V4.1 loads with morphs already in then the file must of been over written by the v4.2 cr2.

Next for s*its and grins I injected the v4 morphs and inj character morphs loads fine. So again I guess I have to assume that both v4.1 and v4.2 icons load v4.2.

How ever the products I have that say for v4.1 only seem to work fine so far so maybe at the time they put it up to be downloaded v4.2 didnt exist yet and V4.2 is backward compatiable. So until I see other wise I guess the only thing to do is to go on and pose away on them until I notice an issue or DAZ comes out and clearfies all this confusion.

It doesn't need to be in the main poser directory. You can point the installer where you want but it will only install if it see's a poser.exe file there. Again, this doesn't need to be a copy of the actual .exe, you can create an empty text file if you wish and rename it to poser.exe

The runtime/libraries/!DAZ directory needs to be in the main install path though otherwise things take a long time to load. You can simply copy the directory there and rename the original or remove it.

Quote - It doesn't need to be in the main poser directory. You can point the installer where you want but it will only install if it see's a poser.exe file there. Again, this doesn't need to be a copy of the actual .exe, you can create an empty text file if you wish and rename it to poser.exe

The runtime/libraries/!DAZ directory needs to be in the main install path though otherwise things take a long time to load. You can simply copy the directory there and rename the original or remove it.

I use external runtimes and have a fake poser.exe file in each of them that I made from a text file.

It's been a while, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't have an option to cancel the installation and look for another directory to install V4.1 into, like I do with the other .exe installers from Daz. So I installed V4.1 into the main Poser 6 runtime and then made copies of all of the files and put them into my V4.1 external runtime and left the originals in the Poser 6 runtime folder.

For my external runtimes, I always make a copy of the !DAZ folder and put it into the Poser 6 runtime just to give Poser the boost it needs to find the delta files.

I'll go back and try installing V4.1 again and see if it allows me to point it to a different folder.  I haven't bothered installing V4.2 because I didn't want to lose my ability to use V4.1.  And I'm ticked that you need V4.2 to be able to get and use Aiko 4.

Quote - You can install it to a temp directory, the DAZ installers give you an option early on as to where to put it, type in your own path to the temp folder and it will install there!
You will then have to move the files manually to your Poser installation, but yes it has to be in your main Poser runtime!!
Moving files manually is just a simple cut and paste operation!!

Alright, consider this:
It's a symbiotic relationship between a consumer and a provider, DAZ being the provider, and we being the consumer.
The difference is, the provider in a free market is well advised to accommodate the consumer as best as possible, because the symbiosis is fragile and tentative, pending the introduction of actual competition.

Are you familiar with the term, "tail wagging the dog"? It says, basically, the tail wagging the dog is unnatural, and just wrong.
Such is the comparison to those who defend retailers who impose potential problems on the consumers because it's easier for them.

Don't tell DAZ you see no problem with it - if you hate it, you need to let them know you hate it, otherwise one day they'll walk all over you and be stealing your land and harvesting your grandfather's kidneys.

I think we all agree nobody wants to see that happen.

In short, don't just go along with it and offer excuses where there is no logical justification - rebel against them!

MikeJ wrote;
"the fact you have to install V 4.1 or 4.2 into the main Poser directory"
Sorry, you're wrong, that is NOT a fact.

modus0 wrote;
"The simplest method is to copy the Poser.exe to the folder you want to install V4 to."
That works, but you don't even have to do that. Simply make your Target Application DAZStudio and you can install anywhere you want.

modus0 wrote;
"It's still a good idea to install V4 to the main Poser runtime though, otherwise loading her and injecting her morphs takes significantly longer (almost "go get yourself a cup of coffee" longer)."
modus0 is correct, that is exactly the reason the installer is set up the way it is.

CStrauss wrote;
"I thought i read some where that the v4.1 icon will still be in your figures folder but it will be actually loaded if you load it from that icon."
It's recommended that you uninstall V4.1 before you install V4.2.

Coldrake

Quote - MikeJ wrote;
"the fact you have to install V 4.1 or 4.2 into the main Poser directory"
Sorry, you're wrong, that is NOT a fact.

Coldrake

Oh. How interesting, a non-fact followed up with a correct fact, lacking any more information beyond NOT.

Um, well , that's what the DAZ stuff said to do. I opposed it, and thought I'd be smart and put it where I wanted, but, nevertheless, it only worked once I did what they said.

So, tell me, oh Revelator of the Sacred Truth of V4, praytell, wherein the nether regions lay the truth?
I can't help but notice the answer seemed to be "USE D|S instead!" but I doubt that, considering that would be a supremely useless piece of information in reference to a Poser installation.

*" can't help but notice the answer seemed to be "USE D|S instead!" "

No, you're wrong again.  I didn't say use DAZ Studio, I didn't say install to DAZ Studio. Make your Target Application DAZStudio when installing and you can install anywhere you want. Which is a fact. Change your Target Application from "Poser (All Files)" to "DAZ Studio", then you can install to Poser, an empty folder, anywhere you want. I even threw in a picture for you so it's easier for you to understand.

Coldrake

i've got V4,4.1 and 4.2 in me runtime and all work,

i was tidying me runtime at the time i got V4.2 so the prior versions were already in my "V4 stuff" folder when it came to putting 4.2 on, so after installing 4.2 i just had to put that tidily aswell, they all work if i want them to,

but there is nothing wrong with version 4.2, from what i've seen, so i wouldn't worry if you do overwrite your prior versions.

the only strange thing with V4 is making A4 morphs, which after making my morphs in Zbrush, when i bring it back in you have to load your morph targets to the default V4 because if you add them to A4 then things get a bit bloated, which just seems a bit weird, but it works out anyway.

(just rabbiting now)

Thank you for the picture, that's very nice. Your Prt Scr abilities are only exceeded by your cropping abilities. I'll give it only a 4 though, since it seems just slightly pixellated.

Well, whatever. I'm aware of how V4, 4.1, 4.2 work. My complaint was that DAZ even has to do that at all. It's bad enough we have to keep track of zillions of textures all over the place, but we have half a DAZ figure here, half there, God knows where it all ends up.

If you're saying it's possible to arrange it where it does all go where you want it to, and it's not necessary to have it in Poser's directory, I believe you, but I don't feel like changing it, since I know where it is when I need to back up everything.

But it seems to me that DAZ outright said you MUST install to the Poser directory, and didn't offer any options. I tried to NOT do that, thought I did it right, and it didn't load until I did as they said.

As long as I've been using Poser, since right after Poser 4 came out ( I have it in a Meta Creations box), I've never installed or unzipped stuff into a runtime - always into a temp folder so I can see what I ended up with. V4.1 is the first figure I got which failed to allow me to do that.

The main issue is with Poser finding the !DAZ directory. If you install 4.1/4.2 outside of the Poser install directory.
 
You can install to wherever you like without issue by pointing the installer to a directory you choose and you can select "Poser files" (doesn't selecting DAZ Studio as the application mean that you could end up with DS formatted files and directory structures instead?). The issue with the installer refusing to install the files anywhere other than in the main Poser directory is that it looks for a poser.exe file.

As said, if you create a new directory where you want to install 4.1/4.2 and in it create a file called poser.exe (as said, it can be an empty text file for all anyone cares) then the 4.1/4.2 installer will then happily install the files in that directory.

Poser will look for the !DAZ directory firstly at Poser root level and then, by deep searching, go through all you runtimes. You can leave the !DAZ directory where the installer puts it in your non-Poser directory but loading a figure will take more time because of the deep search. If you move (or copy and rename the original) from where the installer puts it to the corresponding directory location within the main Poser directory then the search will find it a lot quicker resulting in the figures loading a lot sooner.

Hope this helps... 

*"(doesn't selecting DAZ Studio as the application mean that you could end up with DS formatted files and directory structures instead?). "

Nope, everything is exactly the same except you may have some extra DS specific mat files if the vendor includes them.

Coldrake