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Subject: Why is Judy so little liked?
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Doesn't make much sense to me.. you yourself already admit that very few people like judy anyway.. why waste more time with something that very few people might even download?
You've got good skills now.. why not just make your OWN figure?
Way too many people take way too many things way too seriously.
*"You've got good skills now.. why not just make your OWN figure?"
Not enough! Yet!
DPH
STOP PALESTINIAN CHILD ABUSE!!!! ISLAMIC HATRED OF JEWS
Anytime I sliced two necks together I've alwasy had to adjust the JP's.
If you use the LOD version you limit who will use it. The only way to get the LOD V4 is to download and I think you need to install DS. Besides ,Gareee has a point about the lack of users to begin with. This is not a figure like Possette where everyone was using and had been improved and sliced and diced for years.
As you can see, those of us that do use her once in awhile can do all that ourselves. Not taking away what your doing. I can re-map figures too but I rarely have the patience to do it like you do. hats off to you for doing it. But maybe modeling your own figures would be the better way to go. If your going to put that much effort into rebuilding old figures because they are not the way you want them, why not put that energy into something original.
Not having enough skills is a reason to start making your own stuff to gain those skills. That's what I've been doing now. Wish I could show my latest figure but I can't, for now. NDA. But the company told me I can show it later after they are done.
Quote - Has anyone heard from phantom3D lately? His new figures were looking to be really something.
Anyone try K by kirwyn? http://www.renderosity.com/mod/freestuff/index.php?user_id=19480
No see no K! Ah well....
DPH
STOP PALESTINIAN CHILD ABUSE!!!! ISLAMIC HATRED OF JEWS
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"I don't understand why folks are discouraging you in making a new Judy Hybrid. It's not like they have to use her if they don't want to but I know some of us enjoy the hybrids you've made of less that popular figures."
No one is. Read what you want into it, oh, wait, you already did. No one will try to discourage you from doing that either.
My dear friends, please don't squabble. The figure is comming along nicely, and I DO believe that she'll fill a nice nitch in the Poserverse. Because the face is of a very popular figure right now, that means that there'll be a lot of Personna morphs out there for her. Because the body is medium res, she'll be easy to use with animators, plus she's specifically made for use with Walk Designer, so users of Poser 5-Pro shuld find a real boost from her creation. And, lastly, I might find a senno-Daz figure that I like, and will shut up for once! ;=D
Yours truly,
David P. Hoadley
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squabble squabble squabble squabble
I'm sure that your hybrid will be just fine, DPH. We'll have another re-tooled figure to add to the mix after you are done -- and there's nothing wrong with that.
Quote - "I don't understand why folks are discouraging you in making a new Judy Hybrid. It's not like they have to use her if they don't want to but I know some of us enjoy the hybrids you've made of less that popular figures."
No one is. Read what you want into it, oh, wait, you already did. No one will try to discourage you from doing that either.
Obviously you didn't read the comment below the same way I did. Funny that you should assume I was referring to you. You must feel like all comments revolve around you.
Quote - Doesn't make much sense to me.. you yourself already admit that very few people like judy anyway.. why waste more time with something that very few people might even download?
If calling it wasting time isn't discouraging I don't know what is.
..and possibly more rewarding....
But that's just MY opinion. DP himself said the figure was unpopular.. why he thinks popping a new noggin on her will change people's minds is beyond me.
People who own V4 probably want V4, and in the past he's also done completely new UV mapping, and joint adjustments.. not much of a leap there to completely creating a new figure.
Way too many people take way too many things way too seriously.
Well everyone develops at their own pace. As we all know well. DP knows his skill and comfort levels and if he feels he needs to work up to doing a complete figure himself by doing this, it really doesn't matter how popular the figures are. He's not doing it to make money. He's doing it to improve his own skills and to make a fairly decent figure just a little more popular and useable. In my opinion, that should never be discouraged.
I have been able to do a lot with morphing figures but I can't model or map... that is just a limitation I have come to accept.
I think the best base "dream figure" for me would be V3 Reduced Resolution because the mesh density is good, the mesh flow is excellent and I have no big beef with the mapping I guess. I just would love integrated genitals like Judy's genitals added as a body part, body handles for the breasts and thighs for gravity/compression effects and certainly hip and shoulder horizontal stretch added to the leg and arm stretch dials.
Why is it certain older Poser figures and some independent figures such as Tuyuko scale so well but other figures get totally wonky if you scale them?
I guess I would add to my dream figure fixed proportions on the texture maps and everything on one body map except maybe the face and eyes... I miss being able to load one texture and "apply to all" --- hand loading textures on the newer figures is a bear. Man, there has been some weird mapping over the years... remember that odd fad of putting lips and nipples on their own maps! I just figure with 4000x4000 maps why not squeeze it all on one but the face? I don't even reckon I need the face separate given I render full body... maybe just the eyes. It is easy enough to make a "big head" figure by blowing the existing facial area onto its own map using grouping and UVmapper classic.
Still, as JoePublic has said IRC... a problem with Poser is the idea of the "universal morphing figure".... I would much have prefered a standard mapping template and necks that would have let people make all sorts of figures with interchangeable heads... imagine... old and young mesh, thin and fat mesh, clothes integrated mesh, heads that can be switched at will. How often are threads started here on the forum that go "How can I get head X on Body Y?" It is clear Unimesh made money for DAZ... why wouldn't a universal neck for injectable geometry switching? Satoko had some sort of injectable geometry switch to put her head on the different DAZ figures and "K" has a geometry switch injection for integral shoes.
I wish Phantom3D was still around working on his figures... simple maps, great JC setups and no JCM magnets...
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Momodot, geometry swithcing would be a good idea but I don't know what the EULA(?) of the other figures would allow you to use of them. You would need to copy the top of the neck verts so they matched the bottom of the head perfectly. But I see your talking a figure designed to do all that with different heads and necks that are all UVed the same. Isn't that kind of the same as just using a morph anyways? Though I agree that seperate meshs make for better figures. Daz has proved that using the same figure and just morphing it to another figure has it's flaws So back to the geometry swithching.
And speaking of geometry switching and old figures, Anyone remember Natalia or natrixa as in this image? This figure takes advantage of geometry swithching in a big way.
*"Obviously you didn't read the comment below the same way I did. Funny that you should assume I was referring to you. You must feel like all comments revolve around you"
Well since I agreed with Gareee and then you made your post, what else would someone think. I thought it was aimed at both of us.As for that last sentence, well If I said what I think of your comment and what you can do with it, I'd get banned.
I love Natalia! I've made many freestuff for her in the past (I even have made yahoo group to share them) but some of my posts here didn't even have just one reply...(the discouragement we were saying)
I guess Natalia was abandoned long time ago before even Judy...
So I keep doing stuff for her just for personal use... I was working a V2 UVS version. Tashar59 if you or anyone else is interested tell me and I'll let you know, maybee if someone else want it I'll get a motive to finish it earlier :biggrin:
BTW very nice clothes on your Natalia, are those converted clothes?
As for the switch on the head, if you create a new switchable neck also you wont have a problem, just encode both to the original figure. I've made NeaP4 with switchable head to default Posette
Quote - *"Obviously you didn't read the comment below the same way I did. Funny that you should assume I was referring to you. You must feel like all comments revolve around you"
Well since I agreed with Gareee and then you made your post, what else would someone think. I thought it was aimed at both of us.As for that last sentence, well If I said what I think of your comment and what you can do with it, I'd get banned.
No loss there.
Quote - *"Obviously you didn't read the comment below the same way I did. Funny that you should assume I was referring to you. You must feel like all comments revolve around you"
Well since I agreed with Gareee and then you made your post, what else would someone think. I thought it was aimed at both of us.As for that last sentence, well If I said what I think of your comment and what you can do with it, I'd get banned.
Gareee and I have a history of disagreeing with each other but we don't go around insulting one another with comments like the one you made about me reading into the postings something that wasn't there. Last time I checked, he and I were still on friendly terms. If you can figure out how to disagree without being disagreeable, I'll rescind my "No Loss" comment, but to date, I've never seen you attempt that with anyone you disagree with. The fact that you find yourself unable to comment for fear of being banned just goes to show your not ready to disagree amicably.
Hell yeah we're still freinds. People all have different views of things, and that's what makes discussion valuable.
DP's done some pretty amazing hacking, but I'd liek to see him do something that might be more popular mainstream.
How about some G2 or syndey hacking? Or Neftoon Gal's head on V4's body?
Way too many people take way too many things way too seriously.
*"I love Natalia! I've made many freestuff for her in the past (I even have made yahoo group to share them) but some of my posts here didn't even have just one reply...(the discouragement we were saying)
I guess Natalia was abandoned long time ago before even Judy...
So I keep doing stuff for her just for personal use... I was working a V2 UVS version. Tashar59 if you or anyone else is interested tell me and I'll let you know, maybee if someone else want it I'll get a motive to finish it earlier 
BTW very nice clothes on your Natalia, are those converted clothes?"
I have never abandoned Natalia. Neglected, forgotten, misplaced, that was the scary one. Bought her so long ago, I can't find the recite and would be out a great figure. But never abandoned.
A V2 UVS version would be wonderful. Natalia had 2 major problems. Price, it looked high for a figure and I don't think many realised how much it included. I guess that people think it's cheeper to pay for a figure and then for the morphs and then for the textures and so on. Textures, there just wasn't enough good quality textures. I'm guessing that a majority of users check the market before buying. The exception to that rule would be Daz addicts. They'll buy anything if Daz says so.
The clothes are Riannon's Elsa's clothes. I didn't really convert them in anything. I did it the way we used to with scaling and magnets and parenting.
*"Dacort's figures are excellent for the fantasy genre, aren't they?"
Yes they are.
*"I don't understand why folks are discouraging you in making a new Judy Hybrid."
That says more than one. BTW you are always throwing those kind of comments into a thread and get others to post all the " Nothing wrong with it, I would like it, shame one you to dare have an opinion other than ours" posts.
I was making fun of your comment and you turned it into direct insulting comments about my personage. Yes I said I'd get banned if I said what I thought last night, havn't changed my view of you but with your recent directed insult at me, "I'll rescind my "No Loss" comment, but to date, I've never seen you attempt that with anyone you disagree with. The fact that you find yourself unable to comment for fear of being banned just goes to show your not ready to disagree amicably." I thought it needing addressing.
Heres a thought, maybe next time you want to look down your nose at someones opinion, state who you are refering to instead of using a plural and clumping others with opinions that are simular or agree with the person your original intentions were for.
Was that amicable enough for you?
In my opinion, the problem with Judy is the same problem with all the CL/EF/SM figures, including the G2 figures, is that they were never fully developed. For a company that makes Poser, I think it's always been hoped that the figures would progress towards the higher-end, not necessarily to compete with DAZ, but to certainly be comparable. But instead, the P5/6/7 figures don't have nearly enough face or body morphs to be truly versatile. The G2 figures are the same body with different heads - even the DAZ unimesh has different bodies. Some independent artists have done a fantastic job at re-inventing figures like Judy, but I think people for the most part were already turned off.
It's just like Neftoon Gal.. I'd LOVE to do more things for her, release my tink dress n sucjh, but since she wasn;t available for SO long, and Neftis's new website is probabl very low traffic, releasing something for her wouldn't probably sell enough to even make it worthwhile.
I'd love to support some nitch characters, but there just isn't enough interest to make it worthwhile... which is sad.
Way too many people take way too many things way too seriously.
Who says you can't do a freebie or two just because? Does it all have to be about the cash back? Don't get me wrong, I know your time is valuable and you're actually doing this for a living but if you really want to do something for such a little known figure, do it just because you want to not because you have to. It might even inject a little fun in your work a day life.
I do freebies all the time for my products, but I do this for a living. If I spend 3 weeks just doing freebies, that's 3 weeks of no income at all.
How many weeks can you go without a paycheck?
And I already have a blast doing what I do. I love being able to pick n chose whatever I want to make.
In the past a back catalog of products meant you could go a month or so, learning new skills and software, but this year, even though I have over 30 products in my backcatalog, less then 20% of my monthly income is from my older products. If I don't put out something new, I don't make anything at all practically.
I didn't put anything out In Jan or Feb this year, and my total income for both months was only $600.. I couldn't even afford one month's house payments with that amount, let alone two!
Way too many people take way too many things way too seriously.
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Quote - "I have over 30 products in my backcatalog, less then 20% of my monthly income is from my older products."
That just shows how much this market is, "flavour of the month."
It didn't used to be this way.. but I think much of the blame lieds at daz's feet, When they launched the new store a year or so ago, they lost catagories, themes, and the search engine is far from accurate at times.
For instanmce, try to find all V4 shoes at daz.. you can;t, so you are left just trying various search combinations, or just sorting through thousands of products now.
This time 2years ago, I'd say 40% or more of my monthyly income was from my back catalog.
If people can't locate products though, you can;t sell them.
Excellent example I saw recently was people amazed at Nybras, daz's demon. They wanted to know where that "new" figure came from, and in theory, since he's a daz original mainstream figure, he and all his accessories should be simple to locate there, right?
Rendo isn't any better.. for every killer new product, there are 10 junk releases, burying the great stuff in a pile of crap. And CP's store is so slow, that browsing there is now one of the prime tortures in hell for poser users who pass on.
Way too many people take way too many things way too seriously.
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**Do you know anything about editing joint parameters? When I swivel the head, or bend it in any direction, the chin stretches and compresses like chewing gum. (although, this might have something to do also with the Cr2 not recognizing V4's upper and lower jaw objects. I'm trying to insert these actors by copy and paste via the Cr2 Editor utility. Any suggestions and advice would be welcome.
Yours truly,
DPH
Just to learn how to create figures, I made a simple, crude, man figure in Wings3D and
then imported the object file into Poser. Then I went into the Setup-up room to bone it.
To make a long story short, after I took him back to Pose room, I too had problems with
the head bending like chewing gum (As well as several other body parts).
Turns out you can use the Joint Editor to fix this (Shift+Ctrl+J).
The just click on the body part you want to fix. Let's do the head, click on the head.
The Joint Editor defaults to Center.
Don't worry about this one for now. Instead use the pull-down to select Side-Side
Make sure Display Deformer is checked and Spherical Falloff Zones is un-checked.
Now go to the parameter dial and move the head form side to side.
You should see two green lines and two read lines below them. Go to the end of
each line with your mouse and you will see a circle with a dot in it. Use this to
move the green lines and the red lines up up and down and this should fix
the side to side distortion. Now do the same for Bend. (You may need to use
the side cameras for this).
Now for Twist. Instead of lines, you just have one black line with a green bar on the
top and a red bar on the bottom. Move these bars up or down to fix the distortions
in the twist.
Now if you are still having some problems, go back to Center on the Joint Editor
and try moving the centers up and down (The circle and dot will be in the middle
instead of on the ends of the lines for this one.) This is a last resort because it
can mess up other things. The other ones won't hurt anything but that particular
body part.
Hope this helps.
I made one appealing figure with Judy because I was convinced the mesh had potential. I went to pose the figure and found the rigging to be horribly broken. Bending of the upper and middle body horribly distorted the lower body, and the bending did not even seem to centered correctly. I found her range of acceptable looking poses to be very limited. I thought I could fix it by modifying the joint envelopes, but never found a satisfactory solution.
I played around a bit trying to see how good I could make Judy look. I used Faceshop and the faceroom in P5 to do a face morph. She came out nice. :) I've started a thread for her new face. DP, I'm facinated by what you're doing, grafting one head to a new body...wow! She' looking good from what I see.
Let me introduce you to my multiple personalities. :)
BluEcho...Faery_Light...Faery_Souls.
Quote - To make twist work properly in the head, in the joint editor, select twist and make sure that the small green line is slightly below the chin.
Or for a more detailed explanation of how to use the joint editor, see my above post.
It may also be necessary to adjust side to side and bend, and maybe even the
joint centers.
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That's a cute face.