When you move out on your own.

I'm thinking i will not get TV, no electricity, and possibly no water service if i can manage to go to the beach or something to get water. No internet,. 

Or maybe electricity but definintely no TV and no internet.

I don't really need gas do i? They say it's better to eat food raw anyways.

You might get the best advice from Joel Glaine who occasionally posts here.

Ok, I'm going to be completely blunt here, and I don't mean to be rude, but I think you are being somewhat delusional about what it takes to move out on your own.

Can I ask how old you are?  The reason I ask is that a number  of your  OT posts about life, like the one above, come across as coming from someone very young and naive.  Are you even old enough to move out?

No electricity? How are you going to keep your food from spoiling? How are you going to cook?  How are you going to keep warm in the cold months (if you live somewhere where it's cold in the winter)?

If you move into an apartment, water comes with the apartment, and most buildings don't bill you directly for water, it's tacked into your monthly rent.  However, if you do happen to move into a place where you have to pay for your own water, how are you going to manage to live without it?  

What will you drink? Lake and river water is grossly insanitary and can kill you if you drink it. Bottled water is more expensive than gas! **If you're spending $1.49 for a tiny 9-ounce bottle of Evian, that's $21a gallon **

How will you shower/bathe?  Clean your home?

How will you flush the toilet?  These aren't the medieval ages where you can go down to your local river bank or into the woods outside your house and urinate and defecate. There are sanitation laws. 

How are you going to cook some foods? Oh I forgot, you won't have electricity so that's not going to be an issue. 

No TV?  That's doable. For most of the 1980's and the early part of 1990's I didn't have a television and didn't miss it. It was my choice to not have one. I was too busy, not home enough and when I was home I wanted to read or do crafts/sew or spend time with friends listening to music.

Cable TV is also a luxury that many decide to not have.  

Based on your post above, I don't think you are ready to be moving out on your own. You have very unreal expectations about life skills to survive outside of your parents' home.

I am not saying that to be mean.  But not everyone is ready or capable of supporting themselves when they turn the age of majority. For some it takes longer, and for others they never reach that stage at all.

So far as the "essentials" of living on your own.  A job to start, and a place to live that with rent and utilities combined doesn't exceed 25% of your monthly income.  You also need to invest in apartment insurance in case of a fire or other disaster.

Stay away from debt by paying cash for things and not using credit cards.  Plan your meals for the week and shop once to buy what you need for those meals.  Don't eat out or order food in. Cooking at home is far cheaper and healthier.  Take public transportation to save money on gasoline/insurance/parking/car repairs.

If you are serious, you can manage without gas if you can do minor cooking with electricity. Cold showers are brisk but not a major problem. If you rent water is part of the rent. You cant avoid paying for it even if you dont use any (I own a vacant property) :(   You may be able to do without electricity if you have gas for cooking and heating. Doing without either wont work in northern states.

The cheapest way to live is renting a semi-furnished room, or sharing an apartment with friends. 

If you are totally desperate you can live near a highway rest stop, use the facilities there for toilet and shower, and you can live on sandwiches by getting a loaf of bread and some cheap sliced meat or cheese. I dont recommend it in the winter in the USA.  

 Apartments are 900 to 1100. I probably won't be able to afford that. I'll get a room or share..

"essentials for survival renting?"

a job.

You need to talk with someone about your situation, social services, job counseling, mental health (no offense, everybody gets depressed etc. at some point in their lives). Friends are fine but no substitute for people who have experience & can give sound advice based on your needs and the resources in your area. Frankly is this the the only place you're seeking answers, that's a bad idea IMO. I know it's easier than working to overcome your shyness and communicating in the real world, but it will only take you so far. If you're in a position where you have to move out, then you really need a better plan. If it's just idle depressive rumination then the same advice applies, get off the internet and make some human contact, get a realistic plan for changing your living situation. Ending up in a coldwater flat with some nasty landlord banging on the door for the rent you don't have is pretty unpleasant.

I don't mean to be mean tebop, truly I don't, but perhaps you should join a forum where questions like this might be more relevant? ;o)

Some of the things you post OT (which are allowed, don't get me wrong) have me scratching my head most times to be brutally honest.

If you truly need help with questions like this, why don't you do the obvious and ask your parents, friends or other relatives?? That's just a friendly suggestion and not meant to be nasty ;o).

Laurie

here in California, rooms are like for $300 to $500 a month.

Try to live in Alaska. You can hunt/fish/plant your food there and your refrigerator can be just a hole you can dig on the ground (I saw some folks did it in Discovery Channel).

For your sanitation, trash bags wrapped around in a large bucket will do.

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Quote - ...i can manage to go to the beach or something to get water.

That's a great idea, seawater is real good for you.

 pjz99, well if i purify it, it is

 Without enough information, advice is worthless.  Why are you moving out?  Where in the world are you? Do you have a job, and if not, why not?  Survival is possible under various circumstances. 

I recommend getting some cattle, so you can have beef.

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Now you're just being silly. Surely you can't be serious?!

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If you have a cheap and easy way to purify seawter, you can make millions anywhere in the world.

I'd forget the seawater idea and just scope out where the public drinking fountains are. If you're careful, that can take care of your washing needs also.

Seriously if you are unemployed and living with relatives and they are about to toss you out ,(which sounds like the case here),  do serious assessment of your life.

How are you contributing to the household ?
at a minimum the $$working$$ members of the family should come home to a spotless house IMHO
the $$working$$ members of the family should never have to wash a single dish or take out a single bag of trash.

If they see a non working resident putzing around in poser half of the day on some pie in the sky "movie" production that will never happen
 ,and the other half of the day on the internet endlessly discussing some pie in the sky "movie" production ,that will never happen, they may lose patience and ask you to leave.

If you leave voluntarily and become newly homeless
the first Question you will be asked by the social service agencies is: "Where were you living before and why are not there anymore"
And in general they Dont want to hear "I was'nt getting along with my Family.

So shut down poser and your web browser and do some serious  Real world Self Reflection.

Cheers

Quote - I'd forget the seawater idea and just scope out where the public drinking fountains are. If you're careful, that can take care of your washing needs also.

OMG!!  GROSS!!!  Do you have any idea how filthy and unhygienic those things are!?  Back wash of saliva from everyone who drinks, not to mention those that actually stick their mouths right on the spout.

I've seen cleaning people use those things to rinse their mops.This was at a hospital too! I reported the person and they lost their job.

I've also seen a guy urinating in one at a local park! 

When I was in nursing school my clinical group went around to various drinking fountains around the city and did bacteria growth tests.  I've never drank from one again!  There are bacteria on them that can make you really, really sick!  And not surprising since apparently they are also used for bathing purposes. I sure wouldn't drink from something where someone just finished washing their ass!!!

Quote - > Quote - I'd forget the seawater idea and just scope out where the public drinking fountains are. If you're careful, that can take care of your washing needs also.

OMG!!  GROSS!!!  Do you have any idea how filthy and unhygienic those things are!?  Back wash of saliva from everyone who drinks, not to mention those that actually stick their mouths right on the spout.

I've seen cleaning people use those things to rinse their mops.This was at a hospital too! I reported the person and they lost their job.

I've also seen a guy urinating in one at a local park! 

When I was in nursing school my clinical group went around to various drinking fountains around the city and did bacteria growth tests.  I've never drank from one again!  There are bacteria on them that can make you really, really sick!  And not surprising since apparently they are also used for bathing purposes. I sure wouldn't drink from something where someone just finished washing their ass!!!

BUt when you're poor you have to do anything you can to get some water in.
Even, Bear did it. ( Man vs wild)

 It's not just me getting poor and losing home. Tons of illegal immigrants face this too. 
I saw this show where people were dying just to make it. Also american homeless people or people losing their jobs now.

I could get this position as a bus boy, that i saw yesterday in the Newspapeer., but i can't even afford to live with the pay i get. So what's the point.

Quote - I could get this position as a bus boy, that i saw yesterday in the Newspapeer., but i can't even afford to live with the pay i get. So what's the point.

Get it anyway. Some money is better than no money, isn't it?

 ok damn it . i will get it. 

Any job shows you can be reliable and a good worker. Its easier to get another job if you already have one . Some money is better than none. Make sure you contact food pantries and your county welfare department, you may qualify for rentl assistance or at least food stamps.  Look at any shelters in your area. You need to have a place to take care of personal hygiene (shower) and keep clean clothes or you wont find or keep any job.  Any food you get free means what money you have can go for other expenses. 

A busboy job may get you a free meal at that restaurant or takeout box with whatever leftovers they have.  Its an important job in a good restaurant because you are in the publics view. It needs to be done quietly and neatly.  Sometimes the waitresses split tips with the busboys. 

Google: help moving out of parent's home

95 million hits and the first couple of pages actually look like they would be helpful (except the ones about Miley Cyrus).

If you're being ejected from the parental unit's  domicile, use the busboy job to negotiate, it's a sign that you're willing to take on some responsibility. Volunteer to pay whatever you can for rent or at least food. I'd suggest joining the military but I suspect you'ld probably get eaten alive - as I probably would have at your age for that matter.

In the past few weeks, you've gone from enthusiasm for an overly ambitious two hour animation, to lukewarm over a two minute film to now would be street person. Have your circumstances changed that much or is this a pattern? I think you may need to get a handle on any underlying emotional issues that may be preventing you from dealing with these problems. No one here or any other internet forum can do that for you. While you may get some useful advice here, it's just a waste of time and a means of avoiding the problem if you don't act on any of it..

mentalhealth.samhsa.gov/databases/

 you guys may live in some other kind of family Because my family gets angry if i try to get a Waiter/Bus boy/Dish washing kind of Job.  

That's one of the reasons i want to move out . They control me

Quote -  you guys may live in some other kind of family Because my family gets angry if i try to get a Waiter/Bus boy/Dish washing kind of Job.  

That's one of the reasons i want to move out . They control me

Are you rich????!!

Why, for the love of Mike, would your family not want you to be employed? (especially when so many aren't)????????

Laurie

Quote - > Quote -  you guys may live in some other kind of family Because my family gets angry if i try to get a Waiter/Bus boy/Dish washing kind of Job.  

That's one of the reasons i want to move out . They control me

Are you rich????!!

Why, for the love of Mike, would your family not want you to be employed? (especially when so many aren't)???????? Is a waiter/bus boy/dishwashing job BENEATH you??

Laurie

 no but they say either you get a good job because you went to College or you become our slave.

College crap. i dn't care. I was never good at anything anyway. College didn't help me, so what's wrong with me doing dishes. You can know more than someone and still that someone else gets jobs because they're outgoing and bubbly. 

Moreover my parents are immigrant and they feel embarrased if they have a son who's doing worse than them. 

I'm not rich, my parents have their own labor jobs but i want to move out and they don't even let me. To move out i need a job of my own, not do their job. And that's what they want. they want me to do their job. and stay with them forever.

ANyways guys, thanks for all your help I'm out of here. No more internet use for me ever.
I'm going for the bus boy job even though i know a family feud will start 

Sayonara

 No more internet ever? Ever is a very long time. Aren't there libraries or other free sources of Internet where you're at?

At least keep in touch.

 ok i'll keep in touch Trekkie Grrrlll. 

Be thankful any of you who have controlling parents but moved out in your early 20's

o.k., tebop, congrats on the busboy job.  maybe it will be in a good restaurant frequented by cougars who are looking for a younger companion, which could lead to a nice living place if ya play yer cards right.  in L.A. it's common for young guys starting out to take jobs as busboys or waiters, then they get a break when they have the right attitude and they meet the right people.  one approach: if some lady shows interest, tell her yer an artist (aspiring animator) and she'd be the perfect model.

You can always get a roommate to share the rent if you are that desperate.

Quote -  ok i'll keep in touch Trekkie Grrrlll. 

Be thankful any of you who have controlling parents but moved out in your early 20's

Be thankful that you have parents!  Some of us don't!    One day you won't have any parents, and then you'll regret every negative thing you've ever thought or said about them.

You might consider joining the military.  Lots of food, free lodging, and a paycheck to boot.

Quote - You might consider joining the military.  Lots of food, free lodging, and a paycheck to boot.

...and a senseless DEATH on foreign soil enforcing the Expansionist Agenda of the Anglo American Empire....NO tebop stick to busing tables
and playing with poser.

Cheers

Consider taking a civil servant exam for a county, municipal, or government job.  If there is a job available and you rank high, instant employment.

Quote - Consider taking a civil servant exam for a county, municipal, or government job.  If there is a job available and you rank high, instant employment.

I hope tebop doesn't live in Pennsylvania, U.S. .  Not a thing to be had here. We're even starting to close post offices.

Laurie

I was forced to leave home at 14. Did dishwashing waitressing and any odd jobs I could find in between. Never had to steal and never did prostitution. If someone didn't show up for work I did their shift and was glad to have it. Lived in hotel rooms, not the Ritz, but clean warm and dry. Rooms usually had a dresser and bed, no bath in the room, that was down the hall and no t.v.
There are a lot of options still out there, but it sounds like your best option is to quit whining about your parents and take the job you can get while you go to school. I put myself through nursing school, no loans, I worked. Your parents sound like they want the best for you. Go take a walk and look at what other folks have to do just to get by and maybe you will appreciate what you have a liitle more.

You think your parents treat you like a slave? Wait until you start earning a paycheck. You can choose to be happy wherever you are, or be unhappy no matter where you are. The grass is rarely greener on the other side of the fence.

You might want to add up what an apartment, food, water, electricity, heating, internet, cable,  laundry service and insurance would cost you, that your parents now provide, and divide that by the number of hours you do what your parents want. It's probably a good chunk of change. 

I have been out on my own since I was 14 as well. I am 34 now. I WORKED. I had a job at Taco Johns in the morning and Burger King at night. I smelled horrible but got free food. I stayed in crappy but clean hotels and ended up renting a room for some years from a chance encounter with an older woman. She kept me rent free if I kept her house clean. I would have HER in my home now if she hadn't of died a few years back. I did not have grandparents growing up and she was like family to me. I raise a son, have never been on public assistance (aside from medical care for my son) and struggle sometimes, but I love knowing what I can do on my own. Life gives you many chances and choices, it is up to you which ones you grab or which ones you let slide by because you are entrenched in self pity. There is so much help out there if you ASK for it and prove you are willing to earn it. Put your feet in the road and walk into every place you see, even if they don't have a help wanted sign. My son makes 100 bucks a week picking up dog poo for most of our neighbors, and he is TEN. Be your own biggest cheerleader!

Quote -  It's not just me getting poor and losing home. Tons of illegal immigrants face this too. 
I saw this show where people were dying just to make it. Also american homeless people or people losing their jobs now.

I could get this position as a bus boy, that i saw yesterday in the Newspapeer., but i can't even afford to live with the pay i get. So what's the point.

To start getting some job and life experience that you so badly need.
As time goes on, you gain experience and skills, and your pay goes up, and your ability to get a better paying job goes up. Everyone starts at the bottom - even a LOT of college graduates.

It's a step by step process, it doesn't happen all at once. Getting a job as a bus boy is your first step. The point of taking a first step is to start a journey of getting somewhere.

Not taking it, you stay stuck right where you are.

**My dad's couple favorite phrases are "Stop talking and start doing"  and "Even if it's wrong, do something" (You can always change course later, and the experience you gain is priceless.

Congratulations on your new job - keep it up and good things will happen!!!!**