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Subject: Best option for M3 clothing to Freak 4?


Warangel ( ) posted Fri, 21 August 2009 at 8:01 AM · edited Mon, 25 November 2024 at 1:51 PM

 Hey all,

If you take a look at my recent artwork, you'll notice I've been working on the Roc Wieler character. He's an M3 character using the Privateer clothing set.

I've always thought he was a bit "thin", not as muscular as I've always envisioned him, so I'm considering purchasing Freak 4 and the Brock Character over at DAZ.

My main concern is lack of suitable clothing at this point in time for Freak 4. 

So can anyone tell me the best method for converting the Privateer Clothing set from M3 to Freak 4?

This won't be for animation, only still shots. I just want to make the right choice.

Please list your recommendation, your experience with your recommendation, and the pros and cons I may encounter.

Thanks muchly.


hborre ( ) posted Fri, 21 August 2009 at 9:04 AM

I would recommend Morphing Clothes by Dimension3D.  You can inject the necessary morphs into clothing very easily without a steep learning curve.  Link below:

http://www.renderosity.com/mod/bcs/index.php?ViewProduct=64629&vendor=Dimension3D


3anson ( ) posted Fri, 21 August 2009 at 12:03 PM

you will probably need a converter as well, because Morphing Clothes only injects the morphs from a figure.
the three apps i know of are:-
Wardrobe Wizard by Philc ( built into the new P8 ) but can still buy standalone.
Clothes Converter
Crossdresser (available at EvilInnocence, need to buy 'convert to' licences for each figure. 'convert from' are free and come in 'support packs' the app itself is free.
i use Crossdresser with Morphing Clothes, but i believe the other two may give more control over the conversions.


Warangel ( ) posted Fri, 21 August 2009 at 12:04 PM

 Hmmm, was thinking of picking up Poser 8 anyway, and I have used WW before, but with limited success. Granted, that was a while ago.

Time to go evaluate more things now


lkendall ( ) posted Fri, 21 August 2009 at 12:13 PM · edited Fri, 21 August 2009 at 12:14 PM

WW2 is great and is a fantastic addition to Poser 8. Please remember that you will need the data files for M3, and Freak 4 (which may not be available yet). But, F4 is a morph of M4 isn't it? WW2 may be able to handle that if you have the M4 data file. I am sure that PhilC, who frequents these forums, will be along soon to add his insight.

LMK

Probably edited for spelling, grammer, punctuation, or typos.


metabog ( ) posted Fri, 21 August 2009 at 1:05 PM

To add on to Ike's comment I'd like to find out if I can just copy my many figure data files from Wardrobe Wizard 1 into my Poser 8 Wardrobe Wizard files. Curious if anyone has tried this yet?


raven ( ) posted Fri, 21 August 2009 at 1:12 PM

Attached Link: http://www.philc.net/index.php

I wouldn't. I'm pretty sure that the .dat files are different in Wardrobe Wizard 1 and Wardrobe Wizard 2. Best to check at PhilC's forum though.



Klebnor ( ) posted Fri, 21 August 2009 at 2:36 PM

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I don't think Crossdresser or Wardrobe Wizard are needed for this, since The Freak 4 shares a mesh with Michael 4.

Here is a sample.  Simply loaded up Freak 4 with his morphs and M++, then saved the character.  I used this character as the source in Morphing Clothes.  Transferred the morphs and then dressed the Freak.

Ta-da!

Lotus 123 ~ S-Render ~ OS/2 WARP ~ IBM 8088 / 4.77 Mhz ~ Hercules Ultima graphics, Hitachi 10 MB HDD, 64K RAM, 12 in diagonal CRT Monitor (16 colors / 60 Hz refresh rate), 240 Watt PS, Dual 1.44 MB Floppies, 2 button mouse input device.  Beige horizontal case.  I don't display my unit.


Klebnor ( ) posted Fri, 21 August 2009 at 2:39 PM

BTW, as is my general practice, I only selected the body morphs.  Transferring lots of morphs is generally not necessary, and makes for LARGE files.  I find that Morphing Clothes does a good job using just the body morphs.  If there is a problem with a particular area (shoulder, knee) you may have to go back and add more to correct.

Klebnor

Lotus 123 ~ S-Render ~ OS/2 WARP ~ IBM 8088 / 4.77 Mhz ~ Hercules Ultima graphics, Hitachi 10 MB HDD, 64K RAM, 12 in diagonal CRT Monitor (16 colors / 60 Hz refresh rate), 240 Watt PS, Dual 1.44 MB Floppies, 2 button mouse input device.  Beige horizontal case.  I don't display my unit.


Klebnor ( ) posted Fri, 21 August 2009 at 2:44 PM

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Here's a second test, just to make sure he can keep his clothes on when dancing.

Apologies to Aery Soul.

Klebnor

Lotus 123 ~ S-Render ~ OS/2 WARP ~ IBM 8088 / 4.77 Mhz ~ Hercules Ultima graphics, Hitachi 10 MB HDD, 64K RAM, 12 in diagonal CRT Monitor (16 colors / 60 Hz refresh rate), 240 Watt PS, Dual 1.44 MB Floppies, 2 button mouse input device.  Beige horizontal case.  I don't display my unit.


Klebnor ( ) posted Fri, 21 August 2009 at 2:45 PM

One final note, I did not have to do ANY adjustment of clothing on these renders.

Klebnor neu gekleidet

Lotus 123 ~ S-Render ~ OS/2 WARP ~ IBM 8088 / 4.77 Mhz ~ Hercules Ultima graphics, Hitachi 10 MB HDD, 64K RAM, 12 in diagonal CRT Monitor (16 colors / 60 Hz refresh rate), 240 Watt PS, Dual 1.44 MB Floppies, 2 button mouse input device.  Beige horizontal case.  I don't display my unit.


Klebnor ( ) posted Fri, 21 August 2009 at 3:08 PM

My bad, I reread the OP and see it's M3 to Freak.  Definitely will need some help from WW or XD.

Good to know M4 clothes transfer easily though.

Klebnor

Lotus 123 ~ S-Render ~ OS/2 WARP ~ IBM 8088 / 4.77 Mhz ~ Hercules Ultima graphics, Hitachi 10 MB HDD, 64K RAM, 12 in diagonal CRT Monitor (16 colors / 60 Hz refresh rate), 240 Watt PS, Dual 1.44 MB Floppies, 2 button mouse input device.  Beige horizontal case.  I don't display my unit.


nabob21 ( ) posted Fri, 21 August 2009 at 3:27 PM

Klebnor,

I understand that there are issues in Poser with scaling when it comes to conforming clothing , and I have heard that conforming clothing for Freak 4 will not work properly in Poser as a result of this. Because of this I am very interested in what you have done with the M4 clothes in your images above.

Did you have the Freak Scale morph set to greater than 0 in your Freak character? And am I correct in assuming that the M4 clothes conformed properly after you used the Morphing Clothes package? If this is the case then I know what my next purchase will be!


lkendall ( ) posted Fri, 21 August 2009 at 4:24 PM

Some one in another thread (I think ziggie) suggested parenting cloths to a figure first and then conforming as a work around for scaling problems. I have not tried this, so I cannot say if it helps.

LMK

Probably edited for spelling, grammer, punctuation, or typos.


Klebnor ( ) posted Fri, 21 August 2009 at 4:36 PM

Yes, Freak scale is at 1.

Be aware that I do not know how it works in Poser, I only use Poser when necessary (as to create the new cr2 of the Freak with all morphs).  The above renders were done in Carrara.

I have noted some issues with other clothing, particularly at joints, but adjustment morphs are sufficient to take care of them.

I would not be without Morphing Clothes - even if just for the ability to insert new morphs into old clothes.  Note that this product only works with the same mesh - you can add the Girl V4 to old V4 clothes.  You cannot change V3 clothes to V4 clothes.

Klebnor

Lotus 123 ~ S-Render ~ OS/2 WARP ~ IBM 8088 / 4.77 Mhz ~ Hercules Ultima graphics, Hitachi 10 MB HDD, 64K RAM, 12 in diagonal CRT Monitor (16 colors / 60 Hz refresh rate), 240 Watt PS, Dual 1.44 MB Floppies, 2 button mouse input device.  Beige horizontal case.  I don't display my unit.


indigone ( ) posted Fri, 21 August 2009 at 9:03 PM · edited Fri, 21 August 2009 at 9:04 PM

I was doing a silly render and needed to conform a couple of V4's outfits to Freak.  After reading through threads I found this works just great in P8:

Convert the clothing (can't get around this).  I used Cross-dresser 3.
Add the Freak morphs you want to use.  I used Lyrra's magnets.  Morphing clothes would work too.
Add the clothes and conform them to the Freak.  Yes I read about the parenting thing, but conforming works just fine and you don't have to separately pose the clothing.
Then, find a utility that unihides the scale dials.  Dial the chest to 120%.  I had a perfect fit on 3 different dresses this way in Poser 8.

If you want to see my silly render look here (if this doesn't prove that the "scaling issues" in Poser 8 are easily worked around, I don't know what will):

http://forum.daz3d.com/viewtopic.php?p=1952308#1952308

Indi.


Klebnor ( ) posted Sun, 23 August 2009 at 9:09 AM

Hey, Indigone,

I find that crossdresser tears the mesh on clothes, leaving gaps and holes.  Is there a simple option or workaround I'm missing?

Klebnor

Lotus 123 ~ S-Render ~ OS/2 WARP ~ IBM 8088 / 4.77 Mhz ~ Hercules Ultima graphics, Hitachi 10 MB HDD, 64K RAM, 12 in diagonal CRT Monitor (16 colors / 60 Hz refresh rate), 240 Watt PS, Dual 1.44 MB Floppies, 2 button mouse input device.  Beige horizontal case.  I don't display my unit.


indigone ( ) posted Sun, 23 August 2009 at 10:06 PM

I haven't had that problem ever in Crossdresser.  Hmmm.. Where are the tears?  What clothes have you had the issue with, converting from what character to what character?  If I have them I'll give it all a try and see if I have the same problem

Are you chosing "high" quality?    I always choose that.

I understand that there may be tears where the old mesh was separated for the old character's body parts, and by selecting "weld clothing" that might be stopped.

I also understand there may be rips from bending because of erroneous falloff zones, and you can uncheck that box and see if that helps.

Indi.


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