Right.
I have my neverending quest with my nightgown L And now it's 99% done, BUT I have a problem with the elbows are bent on V4 - they poke out of the gown, most likely due to the JCM V4 has and which I'm not sure how to mimic..

I've made a fixing morph and put it in the affected body parts (Shoulder and Forearm) - but now I'm sorta stuck because I have no idea of how to actually make it work so that morph is applied when the underlying figure's arm is bent...

I've worked out how to make dependent morphs in PP2010  - but as far as I can tell it only works on the same figure, and what I need is the nightgown's morph to be triggered by V4 bending her arm. I'm pretty sure it can be done.. but how?

And please.. explain it as to an idiot L

This just requires normal super-conforming. That is to say you leave the figure number out of the slaving code, eg: valueOpDeltaAdd Figure rForeArm yrot deltaAddDelta 0.0090000

When the figure number is left out, the channel will adopt the number from what ever figure is selected at the time the conformer is loaded, the code will thus point to the correct figure. With super-conforming, the character figure MUST be selected at the time the conformer is loaded.

The real trick is finding the correct deltaAddDelta ratio.

Another, but not very good solution, is to use Vicky's forearm bend dial to remotely control the fix morph in your nightie. That's pretty clunky, though, and not very practical if you're planning on distributing the nightie to others.

Personally I prefer the solution where the nightie is so skimpy that there aren't any arms to worry about! :)  I think that philosophy is partly why 90% of V4 skirts and dresses are minis. Long skirts (and long sleeves) are a pain.

 LOL Well this isn't skimpy L Quite the contrary. It's a good old, floor-length flannel nightgown L 

So there's sleeves and they're there to stay L

So, Lesbentley.. you're saying I should make it superconforming and the problem is almost solved? And That I should fiddle with the deltaAddDelta value?

I'll see if I can make the superconforming work this time. For some reason it's hit or miss when I try even if I think I'm doing the same each time...

After doing some digging in V4's files, it shows the rForeArm, Yrot, deltaAddDelta to be 0.008 and the lForeArm to be -0.008.

did you magnetize the clothing before testing ?  It can make a difference.

 magnetize? Huh? No. Never tried that O.o

Also Les.. might your idea not work in PP2010? I removed all instances of (in this case) :9 - and the thing didn't turn superconforming anyway :(

I've read lesbentley's advice in other threads about removing that number in the CR2 to make it superconfirming. I haven't been able to make that work. Also, I have some superconforming clothing straight from the vendor, examined before loading,  that has the number where les says there should be none. So I think vendors are using different methods of making a piece of clothing superconforming. I have seen some clothing that even has (hidden) SC versions of every morph.

The frustrating thing is, I have yet to see a vendor state up front that re-saving the clothing to the library (as many, many people do, even if only to give it a new name) will kill the superconforming function.  A vital piece of information for the consumer, I would think.

Quote - Also Les.. might your idea not work in PP2010? I removed all instances of (in this case) :9 - and the thing didn't turn superconforming anyway :(

Did you remove the figure number from the "Figure 9" line in the ERC code, as well?  If that's still present, I don't think the superconforming would work.

Apparently recent Poser updates have been introducing a new method of loading library figures to conform with morphs, and this can sometimes (IIRC)  interfere with the old superconforming methods.   Conflicts with this new process apparently arise if any kind of Python method is used to load the figures.

Attached Link: PoseMorphLoader

PoseMorphLoader by colorcurvature is a terrific utility that makes a morph in a POSED clothing item. I purchased it to correct just the problem you are encountering. It works great because you can just add it as a morph. I have purchased super conforming items from top merchants and still get the pokethrough on the elbow but I am certainly watching this thread to see if there is info I've missed. cheerio lululee

Thanks for the mentioning lululee :) but I think the question points in the direction of how to actually get the ERC for the JCM.  In Poser 8 one can use the teaching tool to let it compute the deltaAddValue. I am not an expert and only played around a bit with it, but maybe it could help here?
My ERC knowledge is limited. I tried to understand it, but failed to do so.  Indeed I thought of rather inventing my own ERC system through python.
But back to the question: What do JCM's have to do with superconforming? I would think that a conformed cloth inherits the bend twist rot dials from the base figure. The JCM should inherit the bends of the cloth item itself, no? So: Figure  controls Cloth controls JCM?
But I am not an expert :)

 Ah. I've actually bought the PoseMorphLoader but I haven't tried it yet. I tried the beta and didn't know what I was supposed to do at all L But since ther was a coupon and everybody said it was the best thing since sliced bread.. I jumped at it. And you're saying it can correct this? By making another morph? 

I will have to try it out then :)

I guess that morph should STILL be added as aJCM then? And I still don't know how to do that L

ETA
I already made a morph with the morph brush (on the bent arm) and that works fine. Can PoseMorphLoader do something this didn't already do?

Quote - But back to the question: What do JCM's have to do with superconforming? I would think that a conformed cloth inherits the bend twist rot dials from the base figure. The JCM should inherit the bends of the cloth item itself, no? So: Figure  controls Cloth controls JCM?

If I understand it properly, the new system which is being introduced in recent Poser updates may be doing something like that.  I may be altogether wrong about that, though.  I don't even know how to activate the new system. 

The older superconforming method, however, needs to have the ERC for the JCMs pointed toward the conforming parent figure rather than the conformed garment.  If you examine the rotation dials of a conformed garment attached to a posed figure, Poser will actually list all zero values for the garment's rotations.  Poser is internally matching the conformer's pose to that of its conforming parent, and the conformer is effectively not posed at all, as far as the ERC-pointing is concerned.  So the garment's ERC won't respond to the pose, unless it points to the figure which actually carries the pose.

Kinda seems like I should have been able to state that more clearly.    Hmm.

Oooooh. That is a very good explanation. But it sounds bizarre. Pretty much unexpected :-). I recently thought maybe it would be nice to have kind of an "EasyERC" python which just reads the current pose and computes values for the JCM's based on this data (enabling easier limit management, interpolation, etc).  The valueOp mechanism does not seem to be very flexible.

can that MorphingClothes software add the jcms and pbms?

@ **TrekkieGrrrl , I mean the magnetize clothing pose thats supplied with V4 so the internal magnets distort the clothing as well as the figure.  If thats not done the clothing does not move quite the same as the figure. 

ERC master dials never used to update the actual rotate or morph dial, dunno if its been fixed after Poser 7.

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