...That I've stopped using the program. I wish there were some way to switch back to the P7 library.

Huh, I didn't really notice much difference, I guess I got used to it pretty quick.  Had some technical problems at first but past that I'm fine with it.

The main problem I have with it is that it takes forever to load.

The library too often has problems to seemingly to refresh something,  it' sometimes not starting with all buttons, tedious even though I used the settings that should be make an easier start. The pre P8 library always opened in an instant when you wanted it, always. How can a newer software be slower in reacting on your clicking? I gave up and started to use the Shaderworks Library Manager instead. And I changed the Poser.ini to this

LIBRARY_IS_AIR 1
NO_LIBRARY 1

Now it's vanished.

I find it hard to scroll through, it really needs the scroll click up and down buttons.  And in the middle of a project the library stopped finding the things I have downloaded.

I use the same library in P8 and PP2010. I don't seem to have the problems the OP appears to have. Mind you, I do have a fair few runtimes.

I remember from P7, whenever I changed to a larger runtime, there used to be a looooong lag time. Does anyone else remember those?

I still use yarp's P3dO Explorer http://www.senosoft.com/  Just make sure you also get the Poser python to be able to open everything with a simple double-click.  

P7 did indeed have the longest lag and that's when I switched to P3dO but I'm a creature of habit and still use it now though I do like PP2010's new library options.  Sometimes I use both so I can access two runtimes simultaneously :)

Quote - I use the same library in P8 and PP2010. I don't seem to have the problems the OP appears to have. Mind you, I do have a fair few runtimes.

I remember from P7, whenever I changed to a larger runtime, there used to be a looooong lag time. Does anyone else remember those?

P7's library loads quickly for me. P8 takes forever.  It also takes a while for it to refresh. A problem I don't have with P7. The biggest drawback with P7's library for me was the cascading menus. It took forever to load them.

Of course, one of my runtimes is pretty huge. Maybe I should divide it up.

Have you tried turning off "reopen folders" in the library options?

That should improve the speed of loading the library

Can't stand it either but that is a well documented fact ;)

Earl, Did you install the Service Release?

There are four versions of P8. I don't even respond anymore because it's almost always they are not running SR3.

Using 8.0.3.11...

I launched the program and it took a little less time this time for the library to load. I didn't get an error message this time either. But when I switch libraries, like going from the figures to the Pose library, i have to wait for the folders to catch up. All I have are question marks. Until a number pops up, I can't even open the folder.

I'm with Kalypso, running P3dO instead. This gives me the same Lib structure whether I use Poser, Daz Studio, Carrara, you name it and it handles the non-Poser files as well, plus all other inspection and conversion features. All just through one User Interface, and when I need a new wheel on the wagon, Yarps invents it on the spot.

Good luck

I bought the Shaderworks Library after watching the videos on his store site. It was 1/2 off and I gambled that it would work like he said it does. It took a little getting used to, but I really like how it works! It's head and shoulders above the old Poser 8 SR3 library. I love the ability to see everything from my multiple runtimes, select a character, clothes, texture, morph, and pose all at once, click a button, and have the assembled product pop up on the screen. The link's below if your interested:

http://www.runtimedna.com/ShaderWorks-Library-Manager.html

I hate P8 library too, then I bought pp2010 and love it it - no probs at all. And if you have 64 bit system the renders zip along great. - uprgrading sytems is the answer.

Seaview, does the shaderWorks software require FLASH?  I'm wondering if one might run Poser 8/ShaderWorks and NOT depend on FLASH at all.  Are there other componants of Poser 8 that make FLASH a requirement?  I notice the author makes use of FLASH animations on the product page.

-Rªnce

Try PzDB

http://rocketshipsoftware.com/software/pzdb/downloads/ 

Try closing all your folders before you shut down.  I read somewhere that Poser scans all top level folders and all the ones that are open one level down.  So if you have all your folders open in a file system like  this:

Poser 8

     Figures

          DAZ People, Freak, Freak 4, Victoria 3, Victoria 4, Michael 4, Matt, Maddie...

it has to read the Poser 8 directory and all the figures before it opens.  If you close all your folders so that all that shows is

Poser 8

under each category (figures, poses, hair, hands, etc.) when you shut down, then all it has to read is Poser 8.  There's nothing open below that level.  Sometimes it's slower than other times, but when I do this, on a slow open, my 45 gig runtime opens in about 10 seconds.  When it's fast, it opens in about 3 seconds.

Quote - Seaview, does the shaderWorks software require FLASH?  I'm wondering if one might run Poser 8/ShaderWorks and NOT depend on FLASH at all.  Are there other componants of Poser 8 that make FLASH a requirement?  I notice the author makes use of FLASH animations on the product page.

-Rªnce

I'm not a programmer, but I don't think there's any flash in it, it's mostly python and maybe a little C++.

Quote - I bought the Shaderworks Library after watching the videos on his store site. It was 1/2 off and I gambled that it would work like he said it does. It took a little getting used to, but I really like how it works! It's head and shoulders above the old Poser 8 SR3 library. I love the ability to see everything from my multiple runtimes, select a character, clothes, texture, morph, and pose all at once, click a button, and have the assembled product pop up on the screen. The link's below if your interested:

http://www.runtimedna.com/ShaderWorks-Library-Manager.html

Wow, that looks great. I've held off buying P8 waiting for good non-flash/air library options.

Thanks for the suggestion and the feedback on it. (^o^)

Quote - I bought the Shaderworks Library after watching the videos on his store site. It was 1/2 off and I gambled that it would work like he said it does. It took a little getting used to, but I really like how it works! It's head and shoulders above the old Poser 8 SR3 library. I love the ability to see everything from my multiple runtimes, select a character, clothes, texture, morph, and pose all at once, click a button, and have the assembled product pop up on the screen. The link's below if your interested:

http://www.runtimedna.com/ShaderWorks-Library-Manager.html

That's what I did too. I had already decided to return P8 because of the lame library. But then I tried Semidieu's Library Manager and from then on lived happily ever after ...  :)

OK, I just downloaded and installed P8. I've been considering upgrading for a while, and I couldn't resist the thanksgiving offer.

So, I've installed SP 3 and set my various figure and clothing libraries (Haven't started on the settings yet:/) and BBs library manager seems pretty snappy to me so far. I think it's a huge improvement over the P7 one-which was kinda hard to read and very clunky. So, we'll see. I'll let you know if it suddenly gets laggy.

Okay, I gotta say that ShaderWorks Manager looks VERY tempting!

My P8 ran wonderfully for about two months and then...??? The library one day suddenly became a snail, and SR 8.0.3.11.7... didn't do anything but add a nice blue box in the library (on startup) that whines about a fault of some kind. I just hit okay and continue with the program because right now I just don't have the patience to fix it without planting a fist through the monitor. :D

P3DO is the best. Poser library sucks.

Cyberscape, if the library suddenly slowed down to a snail's pace, it could mean that you have a lot of junk in your cache, temp files etc that is packing your RAM.  Have you tried cleaning out that junk with Cleanmgr or McAfee etc?

I have P8 and my library comes up in about three seconds-the longest is around six seconds and I haven't downloaded the SR3.  Jan

The Air Libary (64bit 2010) loads relatively fast for me -- but so far I wasn't able to persuade it to remember any favorites, ever.

I use Shaderworks Library Manager from RDNA and have been very happy with it AND it remembers my favorites lol. I do use the P2010 one as well, but not as much, because of the favorites thing. (I did originally get D3D's XL, but didn't like it enough to keep it. IMO, the Shaderworks one is better, but it may be personal preference)

And atm, they have a sale on the Library Manager over there, btw. (And a couple other scripts too, which are well worth getting.)

I've gotten used to it. The only gripe I have is that the AIR one is floating in its own little window and I always accidentally close that (I can't stand clutter in my task bar LOL)

But the library itself works fine and I LOVE the search option, it actually FINDS things LOL

Another thing is I think it's rather rude to call it lame and something akin to a PoS when the creator is actually here. I'm not saying you should kiss BB's arse, but at least be factual instead of just plain rude...

I know this sounds like heresy, but I actually bought the ShaderWorks Library thingie, just to see. It does have some nice features, like loading and conforming all at one go, but after a while I just sort-of went back to doing it the "old" way, which is quick enough for most things. I never have any dramas with speed or anything like that.

What I DO have problems with is "Out Of Memory" errors at the end of a render (which completes, btw...). It's weird because I never used to get these errors when I had one gig of RAM... but I did have a dedicated graphics card, which the techie guys didn't seem to think was important, so I reckon the on-board graphics is taking a healthy bite out of the available system RAM. :blink:

i hate it with all my heart. tha'ts why i don't use it. I use P6

Quote - i hate it with all my heart. tha'ts why i don't use it. I use P6

Huh? :blink:

JosterD is a peculiar sort of person. I just move on.

I use the P-8 library without any problems. I don't have any other library to compare it with except p-6 or 7. P8 library is different, but the extra features and the ability to customise it to my liking is a nice touch. I do like the PoserPro 2010 library better though.

Quote -  I do like the PoserPro 2010 library better though.

Better than what?

The previous reference is to P8, but P8 and Pro 2010 are the same as of latest SRs. Thus I'm having trouble parsing your sentence. Or do you mean you prefer the AIR version because it is in a separate window?

Yes the air version in a separate window. (didn't know that was the difference.)

Quote - > Quote -  I do like the PoserPro 2010 library better though.

Better than what?
The previous reference is to P8, but P8 and Pro 2010 are the same as of latest SRs. Thus I'm having trouble parsing your sentence. Or do you mean you prefer the AIR version because it is in a separate window?

I was just gonna say... mind you, since I've side-graded, I could pretty much uninstall P8, but it's still sort-of there. Can't remember the last time i used it, though.

Interesting thing about the ShaderWorks thingie: I did a refresh on one of the tabs, and that was it: it chugged and grumbled and finally went into that click---click---click thing (but it was still busy, probably indexing or whatever) but anyway, I thought "sheesh, this is worse than P6!" So, silly-me ended the process and Poser crashed taking my work with it. Needless to say, that app lost a bit of its charm when it did that. So, I'm back to the tried and true. Plenty fast, and rock stable.

Quote - I've gotten used to it. The only gripe I have is that the AIR one is floating in its own little window and I always accidentally close that (I can't stand clutter in my task bar LOL)

 

But the library itself works fine and I LOVE the search option, it actually FINDS things LOL

 

Another thing is I think it's rather rude to call it lame and something akin to a PoS when the creator is actually here. I'm not saying you should kiss BB's arse, but at least be factual instead of just plain rude...

I close the library like that all the time, but on purpose. Did you know there is a little button thing up on the right side that reopens the library? I like the air library because It is out of my way and frees up space.

Quote -
 

I close the library like that all the time, but on purpose. Did you know there is a little button thing up on the right side that reopens the library? I like the air library because It is out of my way and frees up space.

Yes I know that button :) I still wish it would be dockable though. I know it can't at present, but I miss it docked :)

The only problem I got with p8 library and other poser windows (floating ones) is that when I close them with the close button whole poser makes "poof"  - it goes behind other open programs so I have to bring it back to front.

Solution: use shortcuts and everything works perfect.

I like the new Library very much.  The only thing I miss about the P7 Library was the ability to have it overlap the Parameter dials, so they didn't take up so much space-when I wanted one or the other, I'd click it to the top.  If there's a way to do this in P8 I haven't yet found it...

WandW, In Poser 8, there is, just click on that tiny little very little button on the upper right of each.  That will give you respective menus, just deselect everything but floating for both.  Then you can float either one over the other.  Jan  

Don't know how other Librarys worked in older Posers, but I really like the current one in PP2010.

I got used to it pretty quickly and it doesn'T bother me, that it isn't dock-able. So it's not taking away precious preview window space. =)

You just have it in the background, and once needed you call it back from there via the task bar. I really do like it this way.

But I imagine, that when you had a different workflow for so many years ... old habits die hard.

I've always loved the P8/PP2010 library but I have to say that I find the Advanced Library Manager much better for several reasons.

1. It's faster for me.  Maybe it's because I only have 2GB's of RAM but when I load a pose or a pose MAT onto a resource heavy figure it takes forever with the old library.  ALM does it in a second.  This is a HUGE plus for me.

2. I love being able to mix different libraries from different runtimes.  I have my runtimes pretty well organized and it's great to able to have, for example, only the pose libraries for M4 and V4 visible when I'm working with those figures.

3. Load and conform. Even multiple figures!  I can select a whole set of clothes and conform them to a figure with one mouse click. It can even apply any deformers that are on the figure to the clothes as well. Huge timesaver.

There are other trinkets that I won't go into but for me the old library is obsolete.

As most people know, I like the Poser 7 library still. BagginsBill said he might be working on a solution fo rme in the Poser 9 so here is hoping.

Shaderworks is great.  The only thing I wish it did was work with the Poser undo.  Nothing worse than applying a freebie pose or expression and having it wipe out all your morphs, then not have an undo to correct it.

Quote - 1. It's faster for me.  Maybe it's because I only have 2GB's of RAM but when I load a pose or a pose MAT onto a resource heavy figure it takes forever with the old library.  ALM does it in a second.  This is a HUGE plus for me.

Quote - I wish it did was work with the Poser undo.

These two quotes go together. The Poser library is not slower - it is Poser preparing the undo information that takes longer.

Note also that there is no reason that 3rd part library managers cannot use the Poser application server to perform loading and have the undo work.

One thing I don't like about the Shaderworks library is that it only seems to work in the Pose room so I can't use it to load materials into the material room.

I agree with the OP, I hate the library for P8/Poser Pro 2010 to no end.  I am currently using the Advanced Library Manager available free out on the net, and have been since Poser 4 Pro Pack. It is by far my favorite Library Interface.

Quote - The main problem I have with it is that it takes forever to load.

I have never had that problem with P8 or PP2010 Library.

Then again, i do not keep a lot of external runtimes connected, just the ones I am using.

Have you taken a look at Semidieu's -

ShaderWorks Library Manager It's over at RDNA and still on sale at 50% off.

I love the fact that you can load multiple figures' clothing at once and conform them with about 2 clicks.

Hating the Poser library is like hating Volvo, or Ford, or BMW, or Toyota. One kind will not be the right choice for all people.

What should be noted is that P8 and Pro 2010 were the first versions where really good 3rd party library tools could be executed well. The hooks are there now - they were not in the past.

Some are not taking advantage of all of the abilities. For example, undo is possible if the tool would use the XML API that the standard GUI uses. I know that has not been published, but it's not complicated.

well, i turned that reopen folders off and the library loaded pronto quick...very fast now.
I wish I had a larger monitor (19inch), so I could make the icons in the library larger. suppose I could just make them big and hide when done.  oh ..drag dockng ...that is good, except it doesn;t always stay where its placed...seems to want to populate across the top.

I tried semidues LM ... I like it, but quit using it...the P8 library seems, for the most part, to work fine for me. The refresh thing is about the only thing that bugs me.