So many poser artists are using this software to make pornographic scenes.

What is your opinion?

It's their own business, who are we to judge!

I do some myself, so what, I also do cover work for an erotic book store, does all this make me a bad person?

I believe we all have a dark side, if it comes out in our art instead of real life then that's good in my book.

What's your view?

My opinion? I don't care ;)

Laurie

I find it outrageous that this fine system is being perverted in such a way!

we should hunt down those that abuse the system and fine them. all benefit dodge...what poser? we're talking about poser? oh I don't give a rats ass about how people use that...

A knife is a tool.
A gun is a tool.
A fork is a tool.
A hammer is a tool.
A car is a tool.

Poser is a tool.

It is just a tool, Nothing more nothing less.

Every tool gest abused now and then. It says nothing about the tool.

The tool does not care.
The tool does not feel.

A fired bullet does not know the good or the bad of the target.
It is a bullet in flight.

It is the same thin line difference as.

Making love for love,
 or having sex for sex.

I prefer the first one.

PS; same tools :-)
Sory; could not help it...

nobody's forcing me to look at them, hence the websites or images I avoid involve violence against women.  the standard excuse they give is that they actually love women, but they need to do violent imgs as some kind of therapy so they don't go out and do it for real.  if true, maybe poser does more good than harm in re: porno - it keeps potential violent perps off the streets.

Quote - So many poser artists are using this software to make pornographic scenes.

What is your opinion?

So?

Some of my own work was solicited for the last "Encyclopedia Sexualis." I was quite proud to have it included.

Pornography exists in the mind of the viewer, not the creator. One man's porn is another man's erotica.

Bottom line: Who Cares?

Quote - So many poser artists are using this software to make pornographic scenes.

What is your opinion?

Hm, this site has a at the top, a line that says: "8511 artists currently" online, while this site's adult oriented competitor's line says "currently active users: 209". Not that this is a representative data ascertainment, but i would rather say, "A miniscule insignificant minority of poser artists..." instead of "So many poser artists...", but otherwise your statement is right :-)

Dunno about making naughty piccys with poser. But if you try them out just remember to keep your parts well away from the PSU fan :) 

Quote - > Quote - So many poser artists are using this software to make pornographic scenes.

What is your opinion?

Hm, this site has a at the top, a line that says: "8511 artists currently" online, while this site's adult oriented competitor's line says "currently active users: 209". Not that this is a representative data ascertainment, but i would rather say, "A miniscule insignificant minority of poser artists..." instead of "So many poser artists...", but otherwise your statement is right :-)

Well, I expect that people don't stay logged into adult sites for very long when they are at work, or have children at home. Renderosity isn't perfectly safe for those of a more puritanical mindset, but it does have some safeguards that make it a bit easier to simply stay logged in all the time.

As for the original question, yeah... who cares? Cameras get used for pornography a whole lot more often than Poser does, but we still put them on our iPhones. Pens are still rather common in the world, too. Should we discuss ballpoint erotica? Ahhhm, nevermind.

If you've happened across pornographic images that were obviously creates in Poser, well, have a good look at them. Do you see any evidence of artistic zeal in any of them? All those I've happened across (doing a google search with filter turned off) are uniformly crap. No shadows, rank amateur rendering, they look like plastic dolls with grotesque features. How that is supposed to inspire eroticism is beyond me.

But it says a lot about pornography in general, doesn't it? Cheap, crass, quick to make a buck... any one who can afford an cheap digital camera or a vidcam or a copy of Poser at TigerDirect ($30) or even DS (free) can make pornography. So, people are going to use whatever means available to make it. Doesn't implicate the tools, it implicates the ones using the tools.

Back in the day, my grandmother used a 8mm video camera to make home movies (stuck in my memory because you'd come away from a viewing feeling somewhat nauseous). Pornographers of that era were using the same thing (same feeling of nausea, too). Case closed.

Seriously what are those poeple thinking making porn with a program like Poser.

Do it right with a video camera. :-)

Just a thought material, check what islamic art has been able to do without even a single depiction of a human body, ranging from tiny stuff like calligraphy (the art of handwriting, somewhat different from Twitter messages :sneaky:) to gigantic stuff like architecture.

When I shoot photos I make super sure that there is nobody inside the image: I find that nothing spoils an image as much as a human being.

P.S.: in order to dispel doubts, believing and practising atheist here...

Quote - Just a thought material, check what islamic art has been able to do without even a single depiction of a human body, ranging from tiny stuff like calligraphy (the art of handwriting, somewhat different from Twitter messages :sneaky:) to gigantic stuff like architecture.

When I shoot photos I make super sure that there is nobody inside the image: I find that nothing spoils an image as much as a human being.

P.S.: in order to dispel doubts, believing and practising atheist here...

Trying to follow how this pertains to the subject of Poser used for pornography... and failing. Please make the connection: I can't.

Just my two cents, but one of the first things I did when I got poser was loaded a female model and spun the camera around to see what I could see.

And some of my first renders were nudes because I couldn't figure out dynamic clothing.

It's a phase we probably all went through.

Quote - So many poser artists are using this software to make pornographic scenes.

What is your opinion?

Rule of 34.

Quote - It's a phase we probably all went through.

Not me.  The only "nekkid" parts on my renders were their feet! I couldn't for the life of me figure out how to get shoes on the figures! All that foot/toe bending, making invisible etc etc was completely beyond me!

So far as creating porn with Poser, or any 3D program for that matter, well let me just say "to each their own" and give a nod to RobynsVeil's post. I agree with almost everything she had to say.

I'm not into crass imagry.  To me "less is more", and something that is subtle yet sensual is way more appealing than looking at something where everything is, well, all hanging out so to speak.

But like I said, to each their own. If someone gets off looking at fake "people" in graphic porn images....who am I to tell them they are wrong?  I supposed I'd rather see them using that then having women exploited in pictures/movies in real life.

Quote - So many poser artists are using this software to make pornographic scenes.
What is your opinion?

You'll find plenty of that kind of thing in any medium.  Computer art?  Yup.  Paintings?  Yes.  Mosaics?  Check.  Drawings?  Definintely.  Drawings of stick figures?  Yes, indeed.  Written language?  Yes.  Spoken language?  Most certainly.  And so on.  People are people, people are sexual beings.

I think it's kind of neat that these porno-producing people have a creative/expressive medium like Poser open to them.  I've seen plenty of Poser-spawned pornography, and my overall response to it is, "Meh."  Except for the Poser-porn I've made myself.  :lol:  So: Everyone's Poser porn sucks, except for mine.  :tt2:

(Did I use that tongue-waggling smiley correctly?  I've always wanted to use it somewhere.  :lol:)

Poser and other graphics apps , like photoshop , are widely used for erotica art or porn. You just have to look at all the sites that offer it up and what they charge for it.  It is true that some sites favor cannabalism and show impaled women being roasted while others show bondage and torture to a degree that would be very expensive to fake. 

If you just want two people 'making love' then pay a couple of actors and try not to jiggle the camera while recording. If you want to show the abduction of  some coed, have her gangbanged, have sex with a mutant beast and then get chewed on by a man-eating plant then Poser + is the way to go.

The stuff needs to be done fast, and that means fast render times , so high-res textures and complex lighting are not an option. Some of the pay sites though are rendering in 3ds max with vray for some amazing work. I doubt the audience for some of this stuff really cares  as long as they can see the action.  You only need to look at renderotica (and a few other sites) to see the most viewed pics are not always the best technically or artistically.

It would be nice to hear your opinion greatlights - since you asked the question. I assume that you didn't intend to just throw chum in the water and see what popped up.

From cave painting to the internet, anything that could conceivably be used to depict sex in some form or other has and will be used for that purpose. Whether you view it as erotica or pornography, sacred or profane, glorious or despicable is up to the viewer. Whether it's images that men seem to prefer or bodice ripping novels and the endless philandering of soap operas that many women seem to enjoy,(though there are certainly exceptions in both cases) most human beings have a degree of interest in sex outside of the strictly pro-creative realm. Saying that people use Poser to do erotica is like saying that they use grapes to make wine - people like to get high, so what else is new.

greatlights,

Quote - So many poser artists are using this software to make pornographic scenes.

What is your opinion?

Thanks for the heads up, could you provide some links please?

My opinion? A lot of the Poser porno I have seen really sucks. However there are also a few real gems out there, if you take the time to sift through the mountains of crud, you can be rewarded with some erotic masterpieces!

P.S.
It's a hard slog, but someone has to do it!

As with everyone else, I don't care.  It's something I may even try myself one day, if I ever get bored with SF themes.  In fact, I may even merge the two.

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My opinion? A lot of the Poser porno I have seen really sucks. However there are also a few real gems out there, if you take the time to sift through the mountains of crud, you can be rewarded with some erotic masterpieces!

P.S.
It's a hard slog, but someone has to do it!

This is true of ALL forms of endeavor, especially artistic. Once the proverbial everybody starts doing anything, the amount of crap generated proliferates, but the real gems also multiply, usually to a significantly lesser degree, thus a bit harder to find.  It seems to be some kind of universal law.

Slogging can be rewarding in and of itself.  As for porn, it existed a long time before Poser -or Lightwave or ....

what is wrong with porn?0.o

porn? I heard porn...I know I heard porn.

I would hate to think what this person(posting the question) would think if they went to deviantart and just browsed >.<

Or even the..."unmentionable" place.(it is still unmentionable right?)

Oh as to what I think?

what is wrong with porn?

(ok well good porn, not badly made porn)

Quote - So many poser artists are using this software to make pornographic scenes.

What is your opinion?

To make a well made erotic (porn) scene in Poser, artist need allot of knowledge of human anathomy, lighting, camera setup, composition, rendering, post work. It needs allot of creativity and practice to pull well made erotic scene with Poser generic manequins and plastic skin.

Artist make art, viewer see what he want to see.

But this thread is just trolling anyway, so its pointless to say more ;)

"It's something I may even try myself one day, if I ever get bored with SF themes. In fact, I may even merge the two."

**Exsperminate! **

Honestly, everyone has their own thought of art. Some do erotic images while others don't.

Strange, pornography as in nakked Vicky in a temple using a sword is bad (going the Hades), however Saw1, SawII, and SawIII and like movies are perfectly acceptable even for young folks.  Jan

Quote - But this thread is just trolling anyway, so its pointless to say more ;)

I agree. I'll watch for this OP user's name and avoid responding to him in the future. He hasn't responded, which defines a troll, doesn't it?

will someone please think of the vickies?

Quote - Seriously what are those poeple thinking making porn with a program like Poser.

Do it right with a video camera. :-)

No artistry in that. Any smuck can hire a model for about 400 - 800 bucks (depending on the acts involved) and film it.

Now a guy  like Umemaro3D has vision...

:D

EDIT: Hitman_X3Z / Chimera46 / Zzomp / El_cid / all of those guys do excellent poser pr0n.  Most of the stuff @ rotica is garbage... but there are a few gems.  mimefromhell, his stuff is really good.

StudioAD / Shadowman... Even myself to some extent.  My Japanese sales are great...

I took a photoshop 3.0 class a zillion years ago and somebody screamed about the same issue and wanted to boycott Adobe. The instructor had the best reply. If you stopped using what they use....some draw images with a pencil on paper. If you are going to stop using everything they use to create images then why are you using a pencil and paper to take notes in my class? Some use a computer. So why are you still using a computer.

"But this thread is just trolling anyway" Quite possibly. OTOH, his/her other posts aren't of that nature so mebbe they just haven't gotten back or took a peek and were scared off by the responses. Who knows and life's too short to worry about it anyways.

More troubling, thanks to Gazukull, Vickie now wants $800 to take her clothes off. I could get one of Charlie Sheen's 'Goddeses' for that kind of money - or at least $800 worth of cock for Chaz.

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Do it right with a video camera. :-)

No artistry in that. Any smuck can hire a model for about 400 - 800 bucks (depending on the acts involved) and film it.

Now a guy  like Umemaro3D has vision...

:D

 

EDIT: Hitman_X3Z / Chimera46 / Zzomp / El_cid / all of those guys do excellent poser pr0n.  Most of the stuff @ rotica is garbage... but there are a few gems.  mimefromhell, his stuff is really good.

Web definition of porn.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&biw=1020&bih=612&defl=en&q=define:pornography&sa=X&ei=FAB7TZOBL8v5rAHD6rXiBQ&ved=0CBcQkAE

To me artistry and porn just dont go together. But again it goes back to what your definition of porn is. My idea of what porn is pretty much goes right along with the definition linked above.

The human female body is about as artistic as it gets. But I find nothing artistic about lust or sex.  And 3d sex just seems rediculous. Makes me think of a kid that isn't old enough to buy a penthouse magazine yet in his bedroom just rendering away.

Quote - If you've happened across pornographic images that were obviously creates in Poser, well, have a good look at them. Do you see any evidence of artistic zeal in any of them?

Yes.  Some of them are amazing.

Quote - All those I've happened across (doing a google search with filter turned off) are uniformly crap.

You just don't know where to look.

A company safety film may not be great art, but that's not the purpose it's designed to serve. The fact that the 'crap' images are probably making money for some people shows that they are indeed meeting their intended purpose.

Explicit erotica (aka porn) and a fine artistic sensibility may coincide on occasion but probably not in most cases. The subject matter may more important than the presentation and indeed, too much 'artistry' may detract from the primary appeal which is on a more primitive level, primitive in evolutionary terms at least. Explicit imagery may bypass the part of the brain that appreciates light, color, texture etc. and go straight to the arousal part. That is not to say that an exquisite fine art nude for example may not be sexy or even arousing, but there's probably a difference in degree if not in kind.

If you're talking about technical quality, lighting etc., the same criticisms have been leveled often enough about much of the content here. Again though, content over presentation. If you're running a diner selling scrambled eggs plopped on a plate to hungry customers, adding artsy carved toast wedges and parsley flowers probably isn't a high priority.

There's always a market for quality but I doubt the average viewer is saying, 'Gee, that would really turn me on but the composition is unbalanced and those labia really need ambient occlusion.' Those same people my enjoy an exhibition of so and so's nudes at the Met, but they probably leave their raincoats at home.

sigh...not a single image in this thread...how disappointing.

"sigh...not a single image in this thread...how disappointing."

True but I did manage to amuse and embarrass myself. I honestly meant ' $800 worth of COKE for Chaz.' See, you can get pornographic without even meaning to.

you seen one crazy, triple-x 3d site, you've seen 'em all...;) frankly, there's a certain...sameness to them all after even a casual perusal of the web. Sure, you can modify them in ways Mother Nature never intended, but after a while, you find there's insufficient novelty to them...;)

Quote - A knife is a tool.
A gun is a tool.
A fork is a tool.
A hammer is a tool.
A car is a tool.

Poser is a tool.

It is just a tool, Nothing more nothing less.

Every tool gest abused now and then. It says nothing about the tool.

The tool does not care.
The tool does not feel.

A fired bullet does not know the good or the bad of the target.
It is a bullet in flight.

It's when People are Tools that things go wrong!

I'm truly amazed at the lack of curiosity there seems to be among the legitimate Poser artists here. I mean, COME ON!!! Vicky comes with all those fantastic breast morph dials, and all of you monks just avert your eyes while you rush through your Runtimes in a clicking frenzy to put clothes on her after adding her to a scene! WHATEVER... :)

Quote - I'm truly amazed at the lack of curiosity there seems to be among the legitimate Poser artists here...

Their wives read the Forum too. 

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Their wives read the Forum too. 

My wife writes my material.  Not that I am a legitimate Poser artist. :D

I'm AGHAST !!  .. AHGHAST, I say...people use Poser for porn ?

Quote - you seen one crazy, triple-x 3d site, you've seen 'em all...;) frankly, there's a certain...sameness to them all after even a casual perusal of the web. Sure, you can modify them in ways Mother Nature never intended, but after a while, you find there's insufficient novelty to them...;)

you got that right. I go to my fav free porn site every day..and no matter what day of the week...its the same ol stuffing over and over again.

Quote - > Quote - you seen one crazy, triple-x 3d site, you've seen 'em all...;) frankly, there's a certain...sameness to them all after even a casual perusal of the web. Sure, you can modify them in ways Mother Nature never intended, but after a while, you find there's insufficient novelty to them...;)

you got that right. I go to my fav free porn site every day..and no matter what day of the week...its the same ol stuffing over and over again.

Sadly, many of the good artists stuff is being reposted (read: stolen) and used without permission.  There is a pretty long thread over @ Rotica about it.  You know you made it to the big time when your work is stolen and reposted :D

I was a little flattered that someone took the time to translate my junk into spanish.  I was hoping it would get stolen / redone in Russian and Chinese at some point too...

"...its the same ol stuffing over and over again." I still reread the same Grimm's fairy tales after decades. It's the happy ending that counts :-)

Quote - "...its the same ol stuffing over and over again." I still reread the same Grimm's fairy tales after decades. It's the happy ending that counts :-)

Aaaaahh.....so true.

Sci-Fi is my Porn!