I'm sure that this has been brought up many tiimes before, but why does it seem that images that contain nude women (especially those useing V4.2) seem to get the most ratings and comments. Now I got nothing against nudity or V4.2 (as can be seen by looking at my gallery). I'm just saying that there are a lot of good renders out there that do not include nudity, or even V4.2.

I'm not really trying to make a complaint here, just voicing an opnion. Please, I'd like some feedback, and would actually be interested just how many agree with me.

Thanks, Dan (aka Crub90706)

Sex sells and certain demographics like seeing tits.

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 This. 

As already stated, sex and violence sell.

Remember the days before the change in the thumbnail rules when you went to the gallery and all you saw for pages and pages were thumbnails that contained nothing but tits and ass?  The gallery had started to look like the back of a porn magazine!

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Yeah, I get all that. But am I truely to believe that just about every Poser fan/artist is like this? I'll be the first to admit that I'm drawn to a pretty face and breasts too, but not always. I've seen plenty of nice work that involved neither.

Quote - Remember the days before the change in the thumbnail rules when you went to the gallery and all you saw for pages and pages were thumbnails that contained nothing but tits and ass?

Ya, the good ol' days!!!!!!!!!!!!  Oh how I miss them!!!

dph

PS: Check out The Emberglow Saga series in my gallery if you want to see something different!

Quote - > Quote - Sex sells and certain demographics like seeing tits.

Yeah, I get all that. But am I truely to believe that just about every Poser fan/artist is like this?

Nope.  I've posted nudes but not exclusively.   There are many others who don't post nudes at all.

Quote - I'm sure that this has been brought up many tiimes before, but why does it seem that images that contain nude women (especially those useing V4.2) seem to get the most ratings and comments...

 It could be cognitive bias (i.e. wishful thinking). You can look at the most commented images by choosing "Most Commented" in the "Galleries" menu. These images do not appear to me as being particularly underdressed. You are right that most show V4, however.

it's whatever grabs attention. Over the years, I've notices that brightly-colored pictures with detail, nudity, violence, suggestive titles (or just punctuation arranged 'artistically') seems to get the most hits.

If you're concerned about that sort of thing...;)

Wow- I never noticed that!!!!! Dang.

pakled- If I post a purdy Nekkid Vicky kicking (Violence) a brightly colored garbage can (bright colors) while holding a Teddy Bear with BIG EYES (Cute) with a Unicorn and Butterfly's- I can get a lot of views! :-)

Also- I have never posted a Nekkid Vicky pick- or Posette for that matter. And I've been here since before it became Renderosity! Double Dang.

Time to post a Nekkid Vicky! As I recall Willow (owner of Renderosity's ancestor) was against Nekkid. So it split into Renderosity and Renderotica- (Nekkid OK)

Note to dphoadley- I mentioned Posette..... :-) Posette: there, did it again!

You can always choose to view the galleries by Genre, which is how I look at Sci-Fi!

"Tits are Hits" :lol:

Quote - You can always choose to view the galleries by Genre, which is how I look at Sci-Fi!

LOL! Oddly enough the genres I check out the most are Portraits and Pin-ups. I do like tits, and V4, but I've seen a number of nice renders that involved older figures like Terai Yuki and Miki 2. Iguess I'll look harder in other genres and see if I'm mistaken about my thoughts.

Quote - Wow- I never noticed that!!!!! Dang.

pakled- If I post a purdy Nekkid Vicky kicking (Violence) a brightly colored garbage can (bright colors) while holding a Teddy Bear with BIG EYES (Cute) with a Unicorn and Butterfly's- I can get a lot of views! :-)

Also- I have never posted a Nekkid Vicky pick- or Posette for that matter. And I've been here since before it became Renderosity! Double Dang.

Time to post a Nekkid Vicky! As I recall Willow (owner of Renderosity's ancestor) was against Nekkid. So it split into Renderosity and Renderotica- (Nekkid OK)

 

Note to dphoadley- I mentioned Posette..... :-) Posette: there, did it again!

Actually, one of the most commented renders in my gallery was not of a 'nekkid' Posette; but a clothed dork, did not feature violence, but prayer; and did not have bright colors, but a drab looking wall. 

It was titled 'Lest I Forget....,' and was a render of a Poserized me, reading from the Book of Psalms with my Poserized Grand Children at the Western (aka Wailing) Wall in Jerusalem Israel.  So, sometimes theme is also Important!

dph

It's not just the sex bit either, you can be the best artist in the world, if you're not in the "buddy club" here you won't get all the comments you perhaps should..

Fact..........However unpalatable..

thefixer, I hate to agree with you, but I do. And this has nothing to do with Rendo... it seems to be the case everywhere on the net.

/soapbox_on

I've read it in almost every blog attached to a gallery. The way to get lots of hits is to comment on everyone else's work (favorably). This makes sense. I scratch your back, you'll scratch mine.

I'm not saying this is either good or bad. I believe it to be the way of the world, and I can see why it works that way.

The simple truth is, you get several hundred hits for every comment. Most people are not interested enough in ANYTHING you do to take the time to comment. And it's just as well, I suppose.

There have been a number of sites with which I was involved that have closed simply for lack of commentary on the pictures/stories/etc. Everyone comes, drinks their fill, and never leave a tip to the people who provided the content.

You simply must learn not to take it personally.

/soapbox_off

That said...

Let me drag out my old psychology degree...

Why all the naked V4's? It's quite simple. Male artists tend to like pretty girls in the nude. Females are not as visually "wired" as are the males, so they tend to be more atuned to context than to content per se. To use the "Men are from Mars Women are from Venus" idea, men are about getting things done; women are about how they FEEL about what was done.

Again, no judgements passed. This is why renders of nude men don't get a lot of female following, while a render like DPH described probably would. This is why the vast majority of porn users are male. Males: "ger 'er done!" Females: "What did it mean to YOU?"

Yes, I have known exceptions to these generalizations, but I contend they ARE exceptions.

$.02, take it or leave it. I'm fine either way.

Sorry, I disagree.

Poser figures and tits??? Poser figures have tits?

They have balloons.

Sorry, I can not call those blown up things "breasts".

Very rarely, but you'l have to look deep and deeper, very rareley one "can" find a picture where they are the right shape and size's "from small to large", and even more important, at the right height.

Going this way :-)
Next figures will probably have them on their shoulders and filled with helium :-).

vilters,

Perhaps you and I have seen different girls in the real world. ROFL.

Yep.
I live on planet Earth.
Two feet on solid ground and blue sky.

pakled- If I post a purdy Nekkid Vicky kicking (Violence) a brightly colored garbage can (bright colors) while holding a Teddy Bear with BIG EYES (Cute) with a Unicorn and Butterfly's- I can get a lot of views! :-)

Are you kidding? It would probably get  'fave of the week'...;) This subject has come up time and again over the last decade (I only go back that far here...;) and those are just the things that seem to get an 'advantage'

maybe your right, but it is not always true. My friend on here I don't want to say her name is a poser artist. She put pictures of her little girl up and I gave them high rating and I don't think I was alone.

Now Nudes and Art goes way back, and with nudes you can show expressing if done right. I'm not just talking about females, even males done right is art and express a feeling. I know I don't do alot of males, which I should and I may start soon. Now if people are just rating artwork here just cause the girl is naked then that is wrong they need to look at the artwork and see what the artist is trying to say. Go Figure

if you don't like nudes look at Boris whom is going to be a Dragon Con this year

"Sex sells"

Even free stuff apparently. The number of items in freestuff and the gallery tagged nudity that have nothing of the sort. Is this done so people will click on the link?

Not that I go looking specifally for it :) , but if something is tagged nudity, that's what I expect, not a character that's covered up more than the one in thefixer's avatar 7 posts above this one!

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Amen.

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Fact..........However unpalatable..

This explains why the art charts are dominated by the same small group. 8 people in the new "hot 20" is not a representation of the wide dispersion of talent on this site.

But, yeah, as others have said, it's the same on all such sites, and having been around for a while makes it almost impossible for anyone to be dislodged. Each site creates its own little aristocracy. It's fascinating.

Quote - There have been a number of sites with which I was involved that have closed simply for lack of commentary on the pictures/stories/etc. Everyone comes, drinks their fill, and never leave a tip to the people who provided the content.

The lack of commentary can probably be explained by the fact that the vast majority of people would like to offer critical commentary on other people's images, while at the same time remaining utterly hostile to receiving any criticism themselves. The first time you get death threats for suggesting that someone turn shadows on in their renders, you give up.

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Fact..........However unpalatable..

This explains why the art charts are dominated by the same small group. 8 people in the new "hot 20" is not a representation of the wide dispersion of talent on this site.

But, yeah, as others have said, it's the same on all such sites, and having been around for a while makes it almost impossible for anyone to be dislodged. Each site creates its own little aristocracy. It's fascinating.

Quote - There have been a number of sites with which I was involved that have closed simply for lack of commentary on the pictures/stories/etc. Everyone comes, drinks their fill, and never leave a tip to the people who provided the content.

The lack of commentary can probably be explained by the fact that the vast majority of people would like to offer critical commentary on other people's images, while at the same time remaining utterly hostile to receiving any criticism themselves. The first time you get death threats for suggesting that someone turn shadows on in their renders, you give up.

LOL friend.. So very ,very true!!!!

Cheers

Quote - Why all the naked V4's? It's quite simple. Male artists tend to like pretty girls in the nude. Females are not as visually "wired" as are the males, so they tend to be more atuned to context than to content per se. To use the "Men are from Mars Women are from Venus" idea, men are about getting things done; women are about how they FEEL about what was done.

Again, no judgements passed. This is why renders of nude men don't get a lot of female following, while a render like DPH described probably would. This is why the vast majority of porn users are male. Males: "ger 'er done!" Females: "What did it mean to YOU?"

Yes, I have known exceptions to these generalizations, but I contend they ARE exceptions.

$.02, take it or leave it. I'm fine either way.

The doing/feeling thing -- I guess everyone I know is an exception. C'mon. You can't be serious. When it comes to housework and childcare, I guarantee it isn't men (in most families in the world) who are doing most of the "doing" part. No, instead you hear men saying that they want time with their families so they can "get close to their children and watch them grow up." Meanwhile (in most families around the world), women are the ones who are doing the work to actually keep the little buggers alive.

Men are "doing" the paid work. Women are "doing" the unpaid work. Lots of "doing" on both sides.

Sorry to say, even if it's an unpleasant thing to swallow, we all come from planet earth. :)

Lots of women don't like porn and are actively against it, and understandably so, since so much of it is degrading or borderline violent. Women also tend to attend religious institutions more frequently than men. That's a social/political stance, and it often extends to viewing nudity or sexually suggestive still images.

But, if we limit ourselves to women who don't have a social or political objection to porn, we'll get a better idea of innate differences. I think if we do that we'll find out very quickly that porn doesn't appeal to many women because it's not manufactured according to female tastes and desires, and that's not really a matter of being 'less visual.' It's a matter of not showing women what they want to see.

If when I am perusing the porn selections almost every thing I find shows me only the groin, hands, feet, knees, and buttocks of a middle-aged, overly hairy, and out of shape person, I am going to lose interest.

The best porn creates a fantasy in which the viewers can put themselves into the action vicarioiusly. By showing as little of the man as possible and concentrating on the woman, heterosexual porn caters to male desire.

However, what turns women on is seeing men getting turned on (facial expressions, especially, but also verbal and auditory expression, but generally NOT closeups of genitals -- hence the enjoyment of romance and its trappings because it's a very very emphatic expression of male desire), but unless you're watching gay porn (which lots of women do watch despite the fixation on genital closeups -- they just don't tell anyone about it), you don't usually get to see very many detailed images of hot men enjoying themselves.

There are other differences. The few studies that have been done on this seem to suggest that men prefer to switch from one scenario to another about every 20 seconds, whereas women prefer to stay with a single scene that is suggestive of a storyline. Whether that implies anything else is another matter entirely.

To summarize, it just ain't so simple... :)

Everybody debate about porn, offence and what women like/dislike.

I'm happy that r-osity is so purist. I can read it in my work and nobody care. Opening r-otica forum you can see genitalia everywhere. It cannot be wieved in presence of other people.

Quote - pakled- If I post a purdy Nekkid Vicky kicking (Violence) a brightly colored garbage can (bright colors) while holding a Teddy Bear with BIG EYES (Cute) with a Unicorn and Butterfly's- I can get a lot of views! :-)

Just change the Nekkid Vicky to a Pink Pony and watch what kind of views and uproars though out the forums can happen.

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So true. You can also add community voted contests to that as well.

While I have been buying from Renderosity for some time I have only recently started to upload any of my images and even more recently started to read the forums.  I say that because I am only just beginning to discover some of the trends mentioned here.

One point I do not understand is the comment

"The lack of commentary can probably be explained by the fact that the vast majority of people would like to offer critical commentary on other people's images, while at the same time remaining utterly hostile to receiving any criticism themselves. The first time you get death threats for suggesting that someone turn shadows on in their renders, you give up."  

I do not argue with the point but why, if they are going take criticism badly, why do such people not tick only to have favorable comments.

I have never been critical of others work as I do not think my skills are good enough to do so.  I am always pleased when someone takes the time to look and leave a comment yet in the short time I have been uploading I am most pleased by other artists who have commented on how I could improve my images.  It is so rare an occurance that I took the time to email them and thank them for taking the trouble on each occasion.

I have never uploaded a nekkid Vicky, yet I use Vicky a lot.  I have no problem with nekkind Vicky either, it is just that I am trying to say something different with my art.  I will quickly add at this point that I probably fail dismally but that is the intent and any help other artists can give me is greatfully received.

In a number of the last posts I saw that several people were speaking in terms of porn. Frankly speaking, I see very little on Rendo that I would term as porn. Wether or not you are offended by the sight of a nude body does not make it porn. Nudity is not porn and I dont think the two should be confused.

Its sad to hear that little cliques exist on Rendo that play a part in determining how many  comments/ratings that a person gets.

Also I would love to have critical comments concerning my work. How else can one improve their art unless told what they are doing worng by those with more experience.

DpHoadley

Oh, go ahead and get serious then! :-) Btw: I think I saw that image.

Pakled- you bet! The closest I get is a lighting/texturing test render I did back in 2007. Might have to post it and see what happens! :-)

 Tashar

HAHAHA!! How about a Pink Pony kicking a Smurf?

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I'd buy that for a dollar!

If the pink pony in question is named Pinkie Pie, I'm all for it.  Take that, Smurf! :o

Quote -  Frankly speaking, I see very little on Rendo that I would term as porn. 

If the staff are doing their job you won't see anything that could be termed porn. 

Re: Comments.

I don't care.  Comment or not on my pics.  I don't even care if what you say is completely nonsensical or downright insulting.  I don't have the right to demand comments at all, never mind only nice and/or sensible ones.  Nor does anyone else for that matter. 

I don't think anyone was demanding comments, it was purely an observation that started this thread.  How you respond/react to comments is clearly down to the individual and, on the face of it, they seem to have some control over whether commets can be left or not.

I am always happy when people view my images, even more so when they take the time leave any comment.  If they also help me improve my skills so more the better.

I can peruse my own gallery and notice an obvious trend.  Male figures seldom get more than about 50 views.  Female figures usually get about 80 views.  Any image with a "nudity" tag gets more than 200 views.  That's just the reality around here.

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Yeah, I get that.  I was making my own observation on the phenomenon. 

"Yeah, I get that.  I was making my own observation on the phenomenon. "

Point taken, and I admire your resilience.

Quote - I can peruse my own gallery and notice an obvious trend.  Male figures seldom get more than about 50 views.  Female figures usually get about 80 views.  Any image with a "nudity" tag gets more than 200 views.  That's just the reality around here.

Of course. The default settings for the gallery options are set to not show thumbnails for images tagged with "nudity". Most users probably do not change that (i only discovered by chance, that this can be changed at all). So they have to click on it to see what is actually behind it.

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Point taken, and I admire your resilience.

Not necessary but thanks.  They're only pictures.  Not really worth getting worked up about.  :) 

What we really need is more unicorns. Preferably with nekkid wimmens riding bareback and a swinging swords. Or boas. You can't  go wrong with boas.

I post a selection of pictures, some with nudity in and some without, certainly adding the (contains nudity) tag means the picture gets far more clicks than one that has no content tag.

Before I started making my own pictures I visted and looked at the galleries on here for a number of years and although certainly I enjoy looking at a nice artistic nude, I also enjoy looking at a well done picture.

but the bottom line is sex sells and more skin shown means more people will view it, advertising companies have been using this tactic for years because they know it works.

I thought for a minute I was on the rotica forum ;)  this gets raised regularly. 

Now a pinup of a naked seeming V4 holding a strategically placed toy bear should be a hit. Guys like fit looking naked women and guys like plushy toys ( admit it ya do ) 

How about a picture topic of the week ?  Bear nudes ?    :lol:

You can't  go wrong with boas. the feathers kind or the constrictor ?  never mind , I suppose either works   :lol:

Quote - Now a pinup of a naked seeming V4 holding a strategically placed toy bear should be a hit. Guys like fit looking naked women and guys like plushy toys ( admit it ya do ) 

Ok I admit it .... I have a collection of Teddy Bears...but then I don't know the description of 'guy' fits me that well as I have never been one for being down the pub with the guys, being down the pub with the girls is a different prospect altogether (OK I can dream).  Ohh and my wife tells me I have never passed a mental age of ten.

Strange then that I have never posted an image of a nekkid Vicky or a teddy bear, not that I am posting much at the moment as I am trying to get my head around Silo.

Quote - > Quote - I can peruse my own gallery and notice an obvious trend.  Male figures seldom get more than about 50 views.  Female figures usually get about 80 views.  Any image with a "nudity" tag gets more than 200 views.  That's just the reality around here.

Of course. The default settings for the gallery options are set to not show thumbnails for images tagged with "nudity". Most users probably do not change that (i only discovered by chance, that this can be changed at all). So they have to click on it to see what is actually behind it.

This is the main reason I end up clicking on a bunch of nude images. I don't mind nudity, so I don't try to avoid them. I can tell from the thumbnails of most images that I won't like them (shockingly bad lighting, for example). But if it's the default thumb, I won't know until I click.

So I end up clicking on way more nudes than non-nudes.

I've pretty much stopped doing that lately on the grounds that those who can't be bothered to devise a custom thumbnail probably aren't uploading anything I'd care to see. Of course, I'm totally sick of seeing a row of almost identical thumbnails of the same woman's (with barely noticeable morphed changes) blank stare. So I've stopped clicking on those too.

Not really looking at much in the gallery that isn't uploaded by one of my favourite artists these days.

As for those who want comments on their uploads, my experience on photography sites, blogs, galleries, etc suggests that until you've been actively posting and commenting for long enough to gain a certain critical mass of followers, the reciprocity principle remains in force:

On average, comments received = comments made.

Behaving like a complete jerk, or uploading astoundingly great content may skew the results somewhat.