it's a shame we have to pay for tutorials with info that should be called "the basic info of DS4 manual".

things like weightmapping, rigging, creating clothes.

cr2 to poser

http://www.daz3d.com/shop/new-releases/genesis-to-poser-cr2

and earlier tutorial by blondie about rigging.

no bad comments for the creators of the tutorials! let that be clear!

but it's wrong, it's daz that should leave all this info to it's users.

Why isn't this information given us by the daz3d team in a well completed manual book?

why we always see the stuped basic things apear, about how you load a model, pose it and press render.

where are all those more advanced hidden secrets, about complete figure and character creation?

Have you looked on the Daz3D youtube page? There is a wealth of both basic and more advanced techiniques available in video tut's.

Yes, not having a complete manual is now synonimous with Daz's Oops', but they ARE working on one. "Daz Soon"

This same subject is indeed covered in one of DAZ's free tutorials available on their Youtube Channel.

And let's remind ourself that Studio is FREE.

Yes when you consider that DS4 Pro is free at them moment, they would want to recoup from somewhere other than content.

Studio is only free NOW. It wasn't always free. I think it's disgusting of a company to have people paying hundreds of dollars for software and not providing proper documentation. I'm not surprised they've gone free tbh, they must have had a lot of people buying and returning the software due to the poor documentation.

Yeah considering it was about $500 tp $600 dollars for the Pro Version you would want a good pdf manual. Though the problem there is having to go through pages and pages to find what ya want.

Even though Poser has a good manual I hardly read it and well you find someone who has done it and can explain it better than what a manual can sometimes.

Quote - Studio is only free NOW. It wasn't always free. I think it's disgusting of a company to have people paying hundreds of dollars for software and not providing proper documentation. I'm not surprised they've gone free tbh, they must have had a lot of people buying and returning the software due to the poor documentation.

Keep in mid some could care less about documentation. I never read the documentation. If I have an issue, i ask on forums or do a google search for the issue and can usually find a post or video that helps. Just open the program and find your way around, it's not hard. I can't even fathom the mindset of rerurning it because of documentation issues.

Not everyone has unlimited broadband internet access and/or the free time and/or inclination to trawl forums and youtube to find out how to use what was a very expensive piece of software. All of the software I've bought up to now has come with extensive offline documentation, built in tutorials etc. No I haven't read every single bit of it but it is there if I need to look something up.

Not sure why anyone has an expectation that documentation by DAZ would preclude the need for tutorials by other people. Poser has had documentation and yet there are a bazillion tutorials (some pay for) on how to rig etc. There tends to be a big gap between informative material and educational material and not many programs come with the educational information. Nor do many use tricks/tips turn up in documentation simply because those are gleaned through actual use and experimentation.  

Quote - Yeah considering it was about $500 tp $600 dollars for the Pro Version you would want a good pdf manual. 

I feel this is a lot of the issue.  While it's unfortunately par for the course for there not to be documentation on a free product, it just seems mildly unprofessional not to have one when it costed money.  While a lot of things will only be found out through trial and error, a good set of documents ought to reduce a lot of the basic questions and free up their customer service some.  "An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure" and all that.

Folks have to realize that DAZ might be making 'some' money on the sales of the tut by the merchants selling them they aren't making that much.  I bought the one from Blondee to support her, nothing more.  Not even looked it over yet, not had the time.  I'm actually waiting for a consolidated way to create ERC's from start to finish ... there are ways to piecemeal all that togther from various vids and written bits here and there but would prefer a slick, image heavy tutorial and would have no issue paying for it.  .....

I suspect the real issue was that different people have different learning styles. For many people a vidio tutorial is ideal. If that were not true there wouldn't be so many places that function solely to create and sell vidio tutorials/classes. My guess has always been that DAZ as a company is predominated by those type of learners. So for them the huge quantity of vidio tutorials they were turning out were not just adequate but ideal educational material. But some of us have more trouble processing audio information than others and written material becomes more important.

Have to admit I'm more of a visual learner.  Vids or image heavy written tutorials work best for me! 

we need digitaltutors for learning :)

reason why daz launched studio for free, because the lack of documentation.

think there is no other reason, it's a shame that this problem happen to any daz program as carrara have no manual too. what a pitty. :$

carrara pro should be free too, as it lacks of documentation and full of errors.

Stop the tiral & error proces daz! only sell programs that are out of beta testing and have all the documentation that's needed!

Quote - we need digitaltutors for learning :) That is what the brain is for, LOL.

reason why daz launched studio for free, because the lack of documentation. I highly doubt that!!

think there is no other reason, it's a shame that this problem happen to any daz program as carrara have no manual too. what a pitty. :$ Since you say it is any DAZ software, maybe they feel there is enough documentation for their programs and you just have to high of an expectation.

carrara pro should be free too, as it lacks of documentation and full of errors. Works fine for me, must be user error.

 

Stop the tiral & error proces daz! only sell programs that are out of beta testing and have all the documentation that's needed! Sorry, but while I am all for programs to have whatever documentation is needed, it shouldn't stop any user from trying the software out and actually "learning" how to use it.

"reason why daz launched studio for free, because the lack of documentation.

think there is no other reason, it's a shame that this problem happen to any daz program as carrara have no manual too. what a pitty. :$"

I simply do not believe that is true. I think they thought that all those hours of vidio tutorials would be suitable usage documentation. They seemed genuinely surprised that some people still wanted text documentation.

As to studio/pro going free I think they just did the math and saw that the marketing method of having studio free and focusing on content sales just simply made them more money because it generated more new users and more sales. And from what I can returning to the old way of doing it has been working.

Quote - we need digitaltutors for learning :)

reason why daz launched studio for free, because the lack of documentation.

think there is no other reason, it's a shame that this problem happen to any daz program as carrara have no manual too. what a pitty. :$

carrara pro should be free too, as it lacks of documentation and full of errors.

 

Stop the tiral & error proces daz! only sell programs that are out of beta testing and have all the documentation that's needed!

DAZ has stated from the very beginning of DAZ Studio that there would be a free  version as long as it was feasible.  When DS4 was first released there was a basic version available for free.   As to why DAZ is offering the pro version for free...I can see several reasons why (to attract new users, to get more users creating content, DAZ is being nice...), but it's not because of lack of documentation.

As for "paid for" tutorials...I'm willing to pay for them because the creator has taken the time to delve into the nooks & crannies of a program to pull out tidbits of info and put them in a clear & concise format that people can understand without a lot of hair pulling.  ;)