Miki4 pics here:

http://poser.smithmicro.com/miki.html

Can't say that I care for the face very much and can't see the rest well enough to comment.

We all have different tastes. I like what I see. Thanks for the link. Hope we get something like the G2 careers clothing.

Where's the eyelids? I hope she has eyelids ;).

Laurie

Honestly, her base face is the same face as Miki 3's...not sure if some dial spinning was done in the renders but my point is, if you liked Miki 3's face, it's in there.

Edit: You may want to take a nice long look at that close up of the eye.... Oh. You can't expand the pics? Hmm. Well, not gonna comment on the promo renders but anyway, that one shot of the eye sure is interesting. ;D

Here's some pics of Tyler

http://poser.smithmicro.com/addons.html

Hmm, seems to me it's "just" another SM figure. Hope I'm wrong. But it does take some skills to push the V4 figure off the pedestal.

Tyler has shoulders, vascularity, much better body sculpting, and presumably, a changeable face. Definately a step up. Still haven't seen closeups of the feet, though ;-). Thanks, pokeydots.

I imagine the feet, if they are anything like Anastasia's, are gorgeous ;).

Laurie "The Foot Lady"

hint: right-click is your friend...

Very nice work on both of them. 

~Shane

Your welcome :)

Here are the pics on facebook of Tyler, same ones but bigger

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10151019055187479.424161.106113697478&type=1

Didn't know you could right click to see the images bigger.  My bad! lol

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Very nice work on both of them. 

 

~Shane

LOL Shane...you gave away the secret!! ;)

Laurie

Oooohhhhh.......

I like Tyler.

They look great. However I won't be using them. My days of stand alone figures are over. However If these are supported well enough I will give them a chance. Maybe these two can break the cycle of forgotten characters.

Loving both Miki 4 and Tyler. Yes, I will be using them. Most definitely!

Quote - Honestly, her base face is the same face as Miki 3's...not sure if some dial spinning was done in the renders but my point is, if you liked Miki 3's face, it's in there.

 

Edit: You may want to take a nice long look at that close up of the eye.... Oh. You can't expand the pics? Hmm. Well, not gonna comment on the promo renders but anyway, that one shot of the eye sure is interesting. ;D

Those lashes look like mesh. I can see the sections.

Laurie

If  they ARE mesh, are there morphs to make them fatter? Look like clumpy mascara? Overlap some? Cause I don't see the advantage of mesh lashes :(. For me, it's just more mesh load with no actual benefit unless you're rendering the EYE right on top of it.

Laurie

Thanks- Very nice! I see inner and outer eyelids-for those who asked. The eyes look good-and it appears she comes with a Caucasian-or at least Eurasian morph-and it seems- skin coloring option

Looks very much likea "buy" for me!

Quote - Miki4 pics here:

http://poser.smithmicro.com/miki.html

 

 They appear to be a mesh-and I also recall reading that they are a mesh on the SM site. So, yep. I probably will render close ups. See what you mean about clumpy mascara issues.

Quote - If  they ARE mesh, are there morphs to make them fatter? Look like clumpy mascara? Overlap some? Cause I don't see the advantage of mesh lashes :(. For me, it's just more mesh load with no actual benefit unless you're rendering the EYE right on top of it.

Laurie

 Thanks for the tip!

Quote - hint: right-click is your friend...

 

Very nice work on both of them. 

 

~Shane

Quote - If  they ARE mesh, are there morphs to make them fatter? Look like clumpy mascara? Overlap some? Cause I don't see the advantage of mesh lashes :(. For me, it's just more mesh load with no actual benefit unless you're rendering the EYE right on top of it.

Laurie

NNot sure how much I can say but yes, there are morphs to make them fatter.

Well, Eric, I meant you can make them look clumpy from mascara, thin, thick, dense, overlapped hairs and all that from a transmap. I just don't see how mesh lashes will be an improvement other than to add more mesh load to the figure and provide less options. Can you switch between the regular trans lashes and the mesh lashes a la geometry switching? That would be ideal. The best of both worlds ;). Cause truth is unless you're rendering right up in her face, you won't be able to tell trans lashes from mesh lashes. It's really an insignificant feature. Especially when it's actually a step down from what you can make them look like with a trans map (anything). No more glitter in the eyelashes, nothing.

Laurie

Quote - hint: right-click is your friend...

 

Very nice work on both of them. 

 

~Shane

Thank you, Shane. Means  a lot :)

Quote - Well, Eric, I meant you can make them look clumpy from mascara, thin, thick, dense, overlapped hairs and all that from a transmap. I just don't see how mesh lashes will be an improvement other than to add more mesh load to the figure and provide less options. Can you switch between the regular trans lashes and the mesh lashes a la geometry switching? That would be ideal. The best of both worlds ;). Cause truth is unless you're rendering right up in her face, you won't be able to tell trans lashes from mesh lashes. It's really an insignificant feature. Especially when it's actually a step down from what you can make them look like with a trans map (anything). No more glitter in the eyelashes, nothing.

Laurie

Again, I'm probably not supposed to say but the original lashes are still there and accessible.

Looks really nice. I think mesh lashes could give some interesting possibilities.

Quote - > Quote - Well, Eric, I meant you can make them look clumpy from mascara, thin, thick, dense, overlapped hairs and all that from a transmap. I just don't see how mesh lashes will be an improvement other than to add more mesh load to the figure and provide less options. Can you switch between the regular trans lashes and the mesh lashes a la geometry switching? That would be ideal. The best of both worlds ;). Cause truth is unless you're rendering right up in her face, you won't be able to tell trans lashes from mesh lashes. It's really an insignificant feature. Especially when it's actually a step down from what you can make them look like with a trans map (anything). No more glitter in the eyelashes, nothing.

Laurie

 

Again, I'm probably not supposed to say but the original lashes are still there and accessible.

That's good...just in case ya want those clumpy or glittery lashes...lol. For all those Gwen Stefani morphs ;). LOL

Laurie

Attached Link: Vertical crease

The character looks good otherwise. Nice work.

thats not Miki 4 is it.. I thought there were only like 4 preview images

Quote - There appears to be a shoulder issue in one of those renders.  In real life, that vertical crease (on the left figure) wouldn't happen. Getting excellent shoulder deformations in Poser is like the search for the Holy Grail.

The character looks good otherwise. Nice work.

This thread is about Miki 4, which is not released yet.

Your link shows a picture of Miki 3.

Whoops, sorry about that. Miki 4 probably resolved that issue.

I like her - want!

I have never been one to care too much about the figures mesh, rigging etc from any kind of technical standpoint.  Content, content, content.  I always liked the Mikis but can barely use them due to lack of content.  Of course, crossdresser etc helps, but it's never the same quality results as a tailored item.

Here's hoping these two new kids on the blocks get a chance.  She's still got that personality in her face that the Daz figures always seemed to lack 'out of the box'.

Fingers crossed ladies and gents that we've got a good wardrobe on the way.

I am keen to use Tyler.

I will keep an open mind about Miki4.

I wasn't too keen on her to start off with as I don't really like the face. Looking at the full body renders though she does have a very nice figure!
Great job there!

Quote - that one shot of the eye sure is interesting. ;D

Fibermesh from Z?  Doesn't matter; looks friggin gorgeous.  To date my favorite Miki was Miki 2.  This one will probably "dethrone" her by the looks of it.  The full body pic and the eye closeup are the default body and face, right?  Gorgeous and YUMMY!

Quote - > Quote - that one shot of the eye sure is interesting. ;D

Fibermesh from Z?  Doesn't matter; looks friggin gorgeous.  To date my favorite Miki was Miki 2.  This one will probably "dethrone" her by the looks of it.  The full body pic and the eye closeup are the default body and face, right?  Gorgeous and YUMMY!

Correct and thanks.

Miki4 looks lovely. Nice work Teyon... can't wait to get her

Tyler looks superb too. Great stuff. Roll on end of September then...

So is it likely to be right that Miki4 can be morphed to look more like a Northern European?

I don't own any previous Mikis for comparison.

I can not confirm or deny the ability of Miki 4 to be morphed into a non-Asian face at this time.  Later maybe but now no. 

I will say diversity is the spice of life.

Quote - I can not confirm or deny the ability of Miki 4 to be morphed into a non-Asian face at this time.  Later maybe but now no. 

I will say diversity is the spice of life.

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Er... right.... I'll wait and see then

Looks really good. The following is a nitpick (so take with a grain of salt)...   her hands look just a wee-wee-iddy-bit too large.

Quote - Looks really good. The following is a nitpick (so take with a grain of salt)...   her hands look just a wee-wee-iddy-bit too large.

Noted. :D 

Oh and I should mention that the lashes aren't ZBrush fibers, that was hand modeled and hand morphed by Darrell. Yes he's a mad man. Ok, I am going away from this thread before I get myself in trouble. 

it all depends on the arms/shoulders. Miki 2/3 has bent-straw at the elbow issues and outward curving upper arms. If that is addressed, then this could be interesting.

Also, the Spider/Bony hands as in this posted render....that is a deal killer if not addressed.

I have been waiting since 2006 for the "real Miki" to arrive. [nudity at link]

http://jrdonohue.com/amaya/index.html

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Laurie/Teyon

"Again, I'm probably not supposed to say but the original lashes are still there and accessible."

Looks like your issue is covered Laurie-not that Teyon actually typed that-or we actually read it here... :-)

Quote - > Quote - > Quote - Well, Eric, I meant you can make them look clumpy from mascara, thin, thick, dense, overlapped hairs and all that from a transmap. I just don't see how mesh lashes will be an improvement other than to add more mesh load to the figure and provide less options. Can you switch between the regular trans lashes and the mesh lashes a la geometry switching? That would be ideal. The best of both worlds ;). Cause truth is unless you're rendering right up in her face, you won't be able to tell trans lashes from mesh lashes. It's really an insignificant feature. Especially when it's actually a step down from what you can make them look like with a trans map (anything). No more glitter in the eyelashes, nothing.

Laurie

 

Again, I'm probably not supposed to say but the original lashes are still there and accessible.

That's good...just in case ya want those clumpy or glittery lashes...lol. For all those Gwen Stefani morphs ;). LOL

Laurie

Nope, I didn't say nuthin'. :D

Definitely Eurasian, she look's uncannily like a woman that I went out with for a long time... A little unnerving. Does anyone else think the lacrimals look a little strange?

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I wish the intent were not to make Miki's eyes Eurasian, but rather full on unappologetically Asian. Those that wan't to back off the effect can morph it out, but let's have a really Asian Miki default. Frankly, how would you know if she is "Eurasian" as opposed to someone who has blotted out genetic identity with surgery ? Just my opinion.

the lacrimals are a subject of intense discussion when the subject is the physical structure of the eyes in the Orient.

The structure around the lacrimal is called the epicanthic fold. I will give my personal opinion first: i think the unmodified (by surgery or makeup) eye with the fold is beautiful. My celebrity poster child for this: Sandro Oh and Lucy Liu.

I like this guy's page on it, because he just gives the facts and is not afraid to be told he is racist, which he is not.

http://ask-a-chinese-guy.blogspot.com/2010/08/asian-eyes.html

Meanwhile, there is another aspect, namely the eyelid. The surgery to "correct" the case of little or no eyelid is called blepharoplasty. As you might expect, my opinion is that the uncut Asian eye is beautiful as is.

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No offense, but the Poser community doesn't need a figure that's only Asian, or only African or only Caucasion. We need a figure that will go from one to the other with ease. I'm not about to go to the competion, but I'd like a figure that will fill the void that Vicky and Mike left. I mean, I don't think at all that Miki is it. But I'm always hoping for that one figure that everyone will wanna use. It could have been Anastasia and Tyler if SM had done the smart thing and supplied those as the BASE but with morphs that will augment them, not the standard, butt ugly base figures we have now. No offense to SM but if you don't want your software to fade into obscurity, then you have to have a clue that you are now responsible for the perpetuity of your program now that Daz isn't. And Daz only was by popular demand. Make figures that are as versitile. Supply figures in the program that people will actually USE. Keep Miki as Asian, because that's how she started, but at least give her a male counterpart. Children. Anything. Create one that will go from one to the other as the Daz figures did. Then you might get the market share Daz had. That can only be GOOD for Smith Micro and the Poser team. But why was all the time and energy and I'm sure money, on ONE Asian figure. I'm sorta left scratching my head.

Laurie