After recovering from the inevitable vodka hangover, and well on the way to another.

I'm left wondering.

Why is it that we demand cash for stuff, when we could just as easily offer it for free.

And heres also heres an old render

Thats a fail.  Why is Renderosity so convoluted.

Hmm... I think I answered that.

Quote - Does anyone know if you can use the shadow catcher in reality? The shadow catcher is created in the shadermixer tab in daz and applied to a plane to make it look like the character belongs in a background image. Here is a sample:

I've wondered this myself from time to time, but if you're going to supplement your background in post, why not just run your figure with a blank plane beneath and run the alpha channel? It's pretty easy to also 'change color ___ to alpha' in your graphic editor of choice to get rid of the blank plane ;-) 

Attached Link: Aftermath

Attached Link: Shemar Moore Face Genned

Quote - Does anyone know if you can use the shadow catcher in reality? The shadow catcher is created in the shadermixer tab in daz and applied to a plane to make it look like the character belongs in a background image. Here is a sample:

There is no support for a shadow catcher in Lux and so no such thing in Reality. It's easy to simulare it though. 

• Place a plane to use as a shadow catcher

• Place your figure and lights 

• Render using "Render as statue." You will get a render in B&W

• Render your normal image

• In Photoshop composite the two images using "Darken" or "Multiply" for the blend mode of the shadow.

Hope this helps 

Quote - 8 xeon cores? okay.. so now i've found a reason to hate you Paolo.  :-D  I've got the parts list ready for when student loans land in the bank next friday.  It goes a little something like this.

Box:  Coolermaster Elite 430 w/2 Extra Coolermaster Sickleflow 120mm fans
$47.43
PSU: Diablotek 500w(may go up if I need to)
18.99
CPU:  AMD FX8150 (price should be going down in next week as new generation of amd cpu's is out in a couple weeks)
$190
Mobo:  Asus M5A97
$95
hdd & dvd-rw pulled out of current box
 16gb of crucial pc1333 ram
$80
Vid Card:  AMD Radeon 7750(basically the same as the 7770 for 30 bucks less.  not what i REALLY want but don't have the 700 bucks for a high end firepro)
$100
Heatsink: Coolermaster Hyper 212 EVO(will go liquid cooled in december)
$28

560 bucks for about as boss of a single-cpu pc i can build right now 

Power supply and mobo are two things you DO NOT want to go cheap on.  If you spend extra anywhere, do it on those parts because everything else relies on them. I have never seen anything good about Diablotek and would recomend nothing less than this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139020.  I have the 850W version and it's great.  Stay away from Rosewill psu's too. 

Nothing wrong with crucial memory, but Corsair Vengeance or G.skill Ripjaws DDR3 1600 are only about $5 more which I think is worth it for the performance difference. 

Also check out some other case options. I love Coolermaster, but there are other choices with more fans and better airflow around the same price.  

Hey all, having computer troubles this last week so been busy beating it up...

Shark, I have the M5A97 and FX8120 with 16Gb Corsair Vengance, it's a good system (most the time), a couple of things...

As others have said, PSU!  the FX is a power hungry beast.

Mobo, I do like the M5a97 but if your planning on oc'ing at some stage, I'd perhaps look elsewhere, it's nice that a failed oc will reboot to stock so you don't have to crack the case all the time, but the voltage adjustments in the bios are a bit awkward to work with.

Since buying my Bulldozer (FX), I've read some mixed reviews on it, such as there is actually little gain over the previous chips other than a bigger electric bill - I'm not sure on that myself so I've stuck with the FX.  The FX does oc well, my 8120 is stock at 3.1Ghz, on air you can run it to around 3.8-40 with good airflow (my ambient in this room is 28°c so water is pretty much a must), on water I've got mine churning away at 4.6Ghz - the 8150 will hit 5Ghz on water (so I've seen in oc'ing forums).

Memory, I've never used crucial so can't comment on quality, I do like my Corsair stuff, main thing is...  you can never have enough memory!

Case, I also have a coolermaster, trying to recall the model, it's a nice looking case to be sure but the airflow is not especially fantastic, if i'd researched some more I'd have bought differently, especially true if planning on a water system, without some heavy mods I'm limited to a 120x2 rad on the top (even then only 2 mounting holes lined up) but that's a non-issue for me as I have a 120x4 rad mounted in the window (the house, not the case) to draw cool air from outside.

GPU, I'm baised towards AMD, i'm running a pair of old 6570's which are due for upgrade later this year, I'll be sticking with AMD, I've not used Nvidia in decades so can't comment on their quality.

Hope this helps,

Abi.

I've got a 8120 as well, running at stock speeds. Using a Artic Cooler Freezer Pro 13 heatsink, it runs at less than 40°c during Lux renders and idles at well below room temp.

Remember to turn off turbo mode in the bios. If you don't it switches to a 4-core cpu running at a higher clock speed rather than an 8-core processor. Speed wise it is around 15-20% faster than my 965 Phenom X4. I don't think that's enough to justify the price/power premium.

Given that Piledriver is a development of Bulldozer, personally I would consider the 965 and then wait until the new Steamroller chips appear with a new socket.

Quote - I've got a 8120 as well, running at stock speeds. Using a Artic Cooler Freezer Pro 13 heatsink, it runs at less than 40°c during Lux renders and idles at well below room temp.

Remember to turn off turbo mode in the bios. If you don't it switches to a 4-core cpu running at a higher clock speed rather than an 8-core processor. Speed wise it is around 15-20% faster than my 965 Phenom X4. I don't think that's enough to justify the price/power premium.

Given that Piledriver is a development of Bulldozer, personally I would consider the 965 and then wait until the new Steamroller chips appear with a new socket.

That is the same upgrade i had, the mobo running my 965BE died, I bought a bundle of the M5a97/FX8120 to replace it.  The Phenom is now used in my HTPC/Lux render slave.

When oc'ing, I disable all options such as turbo mode, c1e, etc. as they can do funny things to power levels/clock speeds that can push the chip over the edge when running close to it already.

Abi.

Thanks for all the pc build suggestions.  First off, I don't overclock... ever.  So, issues surrounding or that arise from overclocking don't apply here.  If I did I'd have a big enough water cooler installed before I ever even tried; so, no issues there.  Myself, I don't understand why cpu manufacturers unlock cpus enabling them to be oc'ed in the first place.  Just set the effing thing to run at it's max speed and be damned with the overclocking business.  To me it's like chipping a medium performance sports car to perform like it's higher performing brethren.  If it was meant to do it naturally it would.

As far as parts go.  My brother in law (owns a pc shop) had nearly the identically set up system and ran a burn in test on it while he was gone for a couple weeks on vacation.  Air cooled, cpu with no idle time, ram with no idle time and vid card w/no idle time and it ran w/o a blip and no heat issues.  So, I'm pretty confident in the build.  Except for my last 2 boxes(a dell and a gateway); I've been building my own pc's since '94; so, it's not my first time to the rodeo.

•  The M5A97/FX8150 is a must-have.
•  After reading all the comparisons I could and checking the reviews on tomshardware.. the radeon HD7750 is on the must have list also.  For the price I can't justify going up to the 7770.  No draw off the psu other than what the pci-e slot gives and it's about as silent as a vid card can get.  Has 1980x1020 support(max size I go on screen res); and has 3D capability which is a plus as this sometimes doubles as an HTPC and I have a 46" 3D toshiba sitting 2m away from this puter.
•   Heatsink I'm going with is the Coolermaster Hyper 212 EVO which will keep that beastly 8150 as cool as it need be.  If all else fails, I'll temporarily use what I have before.  Duct tape one end of a dryer vent to my window air conditioner and the other end to one of the intake fans on the puter.. a piece of cheesecloth between the two to filter out the stray motes of dust and you have a pc that will actually exhaust cold air.  Not as efficient or inexpensive(in the long run) as water cooling but does the trick in a pinch.  Just the electric bill stays sky high as it's a 25000 btu air conditioner.
•  RAM... have taken good advice and switched to corsair vengeance.  I may stay with the vengeance and go with a lower clock speed to get 8gig sticks instead of 4.  With what we do; the difference is negligible.
•  PSU...  I THINK I have it narrowed down to the Corsair CX600.  Enough to power the system easily.  I'm not and probably won't run crossfire so don't need the extra power.  Drive-wise it'll just be pushing 2 2-TB green seagate hdd's and bd-rw to start.  I might move my system drive to a 120gb ssd sometime after x-mas though.

So, what I'm left with deciding on is the case.  My bro in law uses coolermaster almost exclusively for his shop builds and swears by them.  The one I'm looking at is capable of holding 5 120mm fans, is bottom-mounted psu(something you sort of need with the tall hyper 212 evo heat sink); has all the ports, bays and hookups you'd ever need and looks pretty cool too.  I'll decide sometime between now and Friday.

Priced it all out this morning and it's down to $498.02 w/o the case.  Main price drop is due to the 8150 starting to go down due to the gen2 bulldozers coming out in a couple weeks.  The box I'm on now is starting to get finicky and not liking when I do mean things to it; so, I'm REALLY looking to rebuild sooner rather than waiting for the next gen dozers to come out.  At any rate, the M5A97 will take the next gen w/o missing a beat.

Quote - Hello.

I though that would be fun to have a "render challenge" to inspire people on trying new approaches with Reality and Lux.

Jeremy Birn, great author of rendering techniques, publishes these challenges and he provides the models as well. I looked at what is available on his site and though that this would be a lot of fun:

Here is the link to download the OBJ files for this scene:

http://www.3drender.com/challenges/madScience/madScience_OBJ.rar

This is a great set that can lead to many great solutions.

If you like the challenge, it would be great to see what you can come up with. Go crazy and post your renders here. No prizes, not competition, just a lot of fun.

Thanks to jeremy Birn for providing the great material.

Cheers.

@Paolo,

I've just imported the scene into daz3.1 and I'm not sure about a couple of things. In your image above you have different coloured liquids in each container. How did you do that, as in the obj I have in daz studio, the liquids are all one item being 'liquidSG'. I do not know how to make them different if they are all the same object... have I imported incorrectly, or is there some trick to it? (I've never done any modelling as yet, so do not have any idea on how to make one object have different materials / textures.) It is clearly possible as your image shows them as different colours... This also goes for the paper pages. I have set an image of a scanned page, but as all the pages are one object, every page in the scene looks like the same page, and again, they are not like that in your image. Clearly there is something to this that I do not know! I'm assuming that it must be the way something is uv mapped, but I only have the daz studio3 and reality to be able to set up this scene... most of the other items are easy enough, but the pages and liquid has me stumped! making them the same is easy enough. Do I need to use another app so that the liquids are all seperate items? (Like Hexagon or something)...The image you have shown above; is it actually done with daz studio and reality? If it isn't then I think it would help if you did a render to show what is possible, as I can't see how to seperate the items which would be required to be able to treat the materials seperatly?

...any hints?

Quote - I've got a 8120 as well, running at stock speeds. Using a Artic Cooler Freezer Pro 13 heatsink, it runs at less than 40°c during Lux renders and idles at well below room temp.

Remember to turn off turbo mode in the bios. If you don't it switches to a 4-core cpu running at a higher clock speed rather than an 8-core processor. Speed wise it is around 15-20% faster than my 965 Phenom X4. I don't think that's enough to justify the price/power premium.

Given that Piledriver is a development of Bulldozer, personally I would consider the 965 and then wait until the new Steamroller chips appear with a new socket.

Nice to know your stats on the heat sink.  The hyper 212 evo i'm getting is nearly identical only with slightly longer heat pipes.  Turn off turbo mode?  noted and recorded.  Since I'm upgrading my cpu to the 8150 from a Phenom 9600; even if the new cpu was actually 2 meth-head squirrels on a treadmill, it would still justify the upgrade.  My current cpu has a 2448 passmark rating as opposed to the 8150's 8167 score.  This will be a MAJOR upgrade for me.

Quote - Thanks for all the pc build suggestions.  First off, I don't overclock... ever.  So, issues surrounding or that arise from overclocking don't apply here.  If I did I'd have a big enough water cooler installed before I ever even tried; so, no issues there.  Myself, I don't understand why cpu manufacturers unlock cpus enabling them to be oc'ed in the first place.  Just set the effing thing to run at it's max speed and be damned with the overclocking business.  To me it's like chipping a medium performance sports car to perform like it's higher performing brethren.  If it was meant to do it naturally it would.

As far as parts go.  My brother in law (owns a pc shop) had nearly the identically set up system and ran a burn in test on it while he was gone for a couple weeks on vacation.  Air cooled, cpu with no idle time, ram with no idle time and vid card w/no idle time and it ran w/o a blip and no heat issues.  So, I'm pretty confident in the build.  Except for my last 2 boxes(a dell and a gateway); I've been building my own pc's since '94; so, it's not my first time to the rodeo.

•  The M5A97/FX8150 is a must-have.
•  After reading all the comparisons I could and checking the reviews on tomshardware.. the radeon HD7750 is on the must have list also.  For the price I can't justify going up to the 7770.  No draw off the psu other than what the pci-e slot gives and it's about as silent as a vid card can get.  Has 1980x1020 support(max size I go on screen res); and has 3D capability which is a plus as this sometimes doubles as an HTPC and I have a 46" 3D toshiba sitting 2m away from this puter.
•   Heatsink I'm going with is the Coolermaster Hyper 212 EVO which will keep that beastly 8150 as cool as it need be.  If all else fails, I'll temporarily use what I have before.  Duct tape one end of a dryer vent to my window air conditioner and the other end to one of the intake fans on the puter.. a piece of cheesecloth between the two to filter out the stray motes of dust and you have a pc that will actually exhaust cold air.  Not as efficient or inexpensive(in the long run) as water cooling but does the trick in a pinch.  Just the electric bill stays sky high as it's a 25000 btu air conditioner.
•  RAM... have taken good advice and switched to corsair vengeance.  I may stay with the vengeance and go with a lower clock speed to get 8gig sticks instead of 4.  With what we do; the difference is negligible.
•  PSU...  I THINK I have it narrowed down to the Corsair CX600.  Enough to power the system easily.  I'm not and probably won't run crossfire so don't need the extra power.  Drive-wise it'll just be pushing 2 2-TB green seagate hdd's and bd-rw to start.  I might move my system drive to a 120gb ssd sometime after x-mas though.

So, what I'm left with deciding on is the case.  My bro in law uses coolermaster almost exclusively for his shop builds and swears by them.  The one I'm looking at is capable of holding 5 120mm fans, is bottom-mounted psu(something you sort of need with the tall hyper 212 evo heat sink); has all the ports, bays and hookups you'd ever need and looks pretty cool too.  I'll decide sometime between now and Friday.

Priced it all out this morning and it's down to $498.02 w/o the case.  Main price drop is due to the 8150 starting to go down due to the gen2 bulldozers coming out in a couple weeks.  The box I'm on now is starting to get finicky and not liking when I do mean things to it; so, I'm REALLY looking to rebuild sooner rather than waiting for the next gen dozers to come out.  At any rate, the M5A97 will take the next gen w/o missing a beat.

This is the case I have, Cooler Master HAF912. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119233&Tpk=haf%20912

Came with 2x120mm fans and I added a 200mm top exhaust and another 120mm on the side blowing in (about $15 for both fans off Amazon). CPU cooler is the Xigmatek Loki which is nearly identical to the EVO.  It's currently 72 degress inside my house, I'm running a render with Daz and Chrome open and the steel of the case is cold to touch. CPU at 68C and mobo at 28C. 

Quote - > Quote - Hello.

I though that would be fun to have a "render challenge" to inspire people on trying new approaches with Reality and Lux.

Jeremy Birn, great author of rendering techniques, publishes these challenges and he provides the models as well. I looked at what is available on his site and though that this would be a lot of fun:

Here is the link to download the OBJ files for this scene:

http://www.3drender.com/challenges/madScience/madScience_OBJ.rar

This is a great set that can lead to many great solutions.

If you like the challenge, it would be great to see what you can come up with. Go crazy and post your renders here. No prizes, not competition, just a lot of fun.

Thanks to jeremy Birn for providing the great material.

Cheers.

@Paolo,

I've just imported the scene into daz3.1 and I'm not sure about a couple of things. In your image above you have different coloured liquids in each container. How did you do that, as in the obj I have in daz studio, the liquids are all one item being 'liquidSG'. I do not know how to make them different if they are all the same object... have I imported incorrectly, or is there some trick to it? (I've never done any modelling as yet, so do not have any idea on how to make one object have different materials / textures.) It is clearly possible as your image shows them as different colours... This also goes for the paper pages. I have set an image of a scanned page, but as all the pages are one object, every page in the scene looks like the same page, and again, they are not like that in your image. Clearly there is something to this that I do not know! I'm assuming that it must be the way something is uv mapped, but I only have the daz studio3 and reality to be able to set up this scene... most of the other items are easy enough, but the pages and liquid has me stumped! making them the same is easy enough. Do I need to use another app so that the liquids are all seperate items? (Like Hexagon or something)...The image you have shown above; is it actually done with daz studio and reality? If it isn't then I think it would help if you did a render to show what is possible, as I can't see how to seperate the items which would be required to be able to treat the materials seperatly?

...any hints?

@Paolo P.S.

I have also found that what seems to be the liquid in the glass objects keeps coming out green. There is another surface in addition to the 'LiquidSG' called 'phongE7SG', which also has to be set. The only way I found it was to move the camera into the liquid and I then found another surface....

...is there a way of selecting the surfaces named in the surfaces tab and have them highlighted in the viewport, as I only know to use the surface tool and select in the viewport which then highlights the name in the tab... Not being able to select the name in the tab and seeing where it is is seriously going to hinder setting this up!

Any suggestions would be welcome! http://fav.me/d5ggp5y

Quote - > Quote - @Paolo,

I've just imported the scene into daz3.1 and I'm not sure about a couple of things. 

Hey, I'm so glad that someone is picking up the challenge. The image that I posted is from the website where I found the model, I didn't make it. I assume that the author has loaded one of the versions in modo, Maya or other modeler and assigned different material zones. 

I just loaded the modo version and also noted that the materials have much better descriptions than the ones available in the OBJ version that I liked to. Let me see if I can quickly change the materials and I will give you a version that:

a) Has descriptive names for the materials

b) Has separate materials for the liquids

 

Cheers. 

That would be helpful, as I had a look too. Thank you :)

Thanks Paolo! that would be a great help! `¬)

Quote - ...is there a way of selecting the surfaces named in the surfaces tab and have them highlighted in the viewport, as I only know to use the surface tool and select in the viewport which then highlights the name in the tab... Not being able to select the name in the tab and seeing where it is is seriously going to hinder setting this up!

I don't remember if it works with DS3 but you can enable the surface select tool in Studio and then call Reality. Once you click on the Reality material the Studio material should appear select in the Surface tab. In DS4 it actually highlights the material in the viewport.

Anywa, don't spend more time with the those materials, I will post a more descriptiove file shortly.

Cheers. 

brad.. that haf912 was the case that i was originally looking at just because it's a sexy beast with all the LED's.. :D  I went down to the other one just because of price.  Since the FX8150's are dropping rapidly; I may be able to convince myself of the haf912 again.

That doesn't seem to work in ds3... selecting the surface in daz3 and calling reality highlights the material in reality, but not the other way round! I will wait till you have a new version of the file! Cheers!

The fact that there are two parts inside the glass items is also a bit strange, maybe it will become obvious with your named version... `¬)

@Doc... nice to know I'm not the only one! - how far did you get?

This is as far as I got, so will leave it for the updated file...

@Paolo, also the glass shown in the image above will not sub divide, they vanish when you set sub div to 1... Lux reports inconsistant vertex winding in mesh...?

Quote - @Paolo, also the glass shown in the image above will not sub divide, they vanish when you set sub div to 1... Lux reports inconsistant vertex winding in mesh...?

I'll see if anything can be done about it. Iy might be the way it was exported. I might provide a Collada version instead...

The second part of inside liquid is the top of the liquid. Each liquid is split in two. It's a neat idea but I don't know if we really need it for Lux. 

Just browsing the thread from the original challange to see if there is any help... some nice work being done with it there! http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?f=185&t=885168&page=1&pp=15

Quote - That would be helpful, as I had a look too. Thank you :)

Same here.. hehe!  Just not enough surfaces to work with...

Sharky, just checked and I even have the Elite 430 case!  sounds like you are going to have a very similar system to mine.

Abi.

Hi all.

Here is the revised "Mad Science" set with the materials named correctly and divided in more suitable groups for easy customization.

Grab the OBJ/MTL here:

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/3701566/3DRenderChallenge/MadScience.zip

You need to import this in Studio using a scale of 125% and with the axes pointing in the same direction of Studio.: X=X, Y=Y and Z=Z.

I named all the liquids in ways to identify to which container they are connected. I also split a few other materials like the scissors, the flask support etc. The pages of paper outside the books are "Loose paper".

Have fun!

That is better! Thank you!

Quote - That is better! Thank you!

Ditto!

Paolo, I took a look at the page eariler today and had a download fest with all the old challenge scenes. Thanks for the link! =D 

You're all welcome. I'm looking forward to seeing your creations.

Cheers 

I searched around a bit to see if there were any specifics on exactly what can't be posted in the forums and couldn't find anything, so I hope I'm not pushing it with this one.  

It started out as a scene of a happy couple, but happy is boring and it's more fun to make it twisted. 

oh goodness.. got all my materials set up for the challenge scene.. nothing too outlandish.  put in all my lights.. and this poor beast of a pc is really feeling it's age..  between 3 desktops and a laptop i'm only pulling 14k s/s.... hopefully the 2000% efficiency will let the scene clear up fast

Attached Link: Plaything

Quote - Cool since were posting porn

No offense meant but I rather not see porn in a thread associated with my product. I know that the Internet is free and   I respect people's preferences in matter of imagery and sexual inclination but I would like to see this thread, which I started, focused on art and techniques of rendering using Lux and Reality. I'm not asking to ban certain material, I'm asking just to respect my preference and possibly of others. There are other venues were erotic material is "at home" and where people can look for it. 

Again, I don't mean to offend anybody, I hope that we can find an agreement.

Actually, on the matter of erotic matieral, there are guidelines set in cyber stone regarding such imagery. 

Taken from the TOS:

Site Areas (Galleries, Forums, Homepages, Blogs, etc):

• Site Areas (Galleries, Forums, Homepages, Blogs, etc):

• No Posting Unacceptable Images or Writing Themes:

• No Rape [actual or implied]

• No Torture [defined as: the infliction of intense pain (as from burning, crushing, wounding, crucifixion) to punish, coerce, or afford sadistic pleasure]

• No Sexual acts [no depictions of sexual intercourse - between humanoids/non-humanoids/animals - no masturbation]

• No Physical arousal [This includes but is not exclusive to: no images of an erect penis/ no images showing the inner portion of the vulva or vaginal area]

• No Explicit sexual content [No manipulation of breasts/nipples/ no sexual situations/ no 'implied" sexual acts/ no extreme or explicit S&M bondage situations/ no lewd or obscene sexual references]

• No Genital contact with ANY object, other than sitting or clothing.

• No Child Nudity (Refer to the Child Image Guidelines )

Not to rain on the party unnecessarily, but I'd rather not see anyone get booted for something that could have prevented.

Ditto that! I check in when I'm at work and don't really expect to see this sort of thing in this thread; like Paolo said...

...and to those that say they looked, check here... http://www.renderosity.com/tos.php

It clearly states that neither of these images would be allowed, as one contains 'contact' and the other implies a sexual act. I really thought people posting on this thread would be more mature.

Quote - Hi all.

Here is the revised "Mad Science" set with the materials named correctly and divided in more suitable groups for easy customization.

Grab the OBJ/MTL here:

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/3701566/3DRenderChallenge/MadScience.zip

 

You need to import this in Studio using a scale of 125% and with the axes pointing in the same direction of Studio.: X=X, Y=Y and Z=Z.

I named all the liquids in ways to identify to which container they are connected. I also split a few other materials like the scissors, the flask support etc. The pages of paper outside the books are "Loose paper".

Have fun!

Thank you Paolo, I will look forward to checking this out when I get home this evening... On the import scale, in ds3 (if I remember correctly) it allows you to import obj and you select 'from' which has an app name and then a scale such as 'daz studio 1 unit = 1cm', 'Hexagon 1 unit = 1cm', and so on... Is there a particular 'from' to select, and do we then enter our own scale to be 125%? - it may make more sense when I'm at home and can try it, but if you could clarify, it would be great!

...and thanks for the work you must have put in for the model! It is appreciated... I hope we get a lot of people that post to take this challange up... Maybe it will also encourage some of the lurkers to post as well, and we can get this thread back on track illustrating Reality/Lux methods and techniques, rather than sharing the sort of things that really should be somewhere else! `¬)

As with most rules, the TOS is vague and open to a person's interpretation in certain areas...

Is a Poledancer/striptease scene implying or performing a sexual act?

Is manipulation of the breasts by the character him/herself allowed in a solo scene? What if the manipulation is not in a sexual situation?

What about clothing items (such as Hongyu's Dreambra morphs) that manipulate the breasts?

I agree, the images posted recently do break the rules but strictly, so do 75% of the galleries. As you have appointed yourself moral guardian, maybe you could give some clarity regarding those points raised above?

Mbin, I imported it straight at Daz scale and it looked fine. I haven't given it the Reality treatment just yet, but it's on my list! =D 

Just to clarify the TOS before I head for dreamland, opinions be what they may, the final verdict will always come at the hand of our host (that being Rendo) and as having been in such discussions, I can honestly say that both of those images would get a majority vote for being pulled for TOS violations. Lets just keep it clean folks as Paolo requested. I think that's the honorable forward movement to get back to the thread's greater purpose. No need to get nasty! 

Quote - > Quote - Cool since were posting porn

No offense meant but I rather not see porn in a thread associated with my product. I know that the Internet is free and   I respect people's preferences in matter of imagery and sexual inclination but I would like to see this thread, which I started, focused on art and techniques of rendering using Lux and Reality. I'm not asking to ban certain material, I'm asking just to respect my preference and possibly of others. There are other venues were erotic material is "at home" and where people can look for it. 

Again, I don't mean to offend anybody, I hope that we can find an agreement.

Ha yess the puritan christian attitude LOL no problem

Quote - Ditto that! I check in when I'm at work and don't really expect to see this sort of thing in this thread; like Paolo said...

...and to those that say they looked, check here... http://www.renderosity.com/tos.php

It clearly states that neither of these images would be allowed, as one contains 'contact' and the other implies a sexual act. I really thought people posting on this thread would be more mature.

You dont need to be so condescending. I find it inresresting that something gets mentioned when I said the word porn. Plenty of nudes and suggested pics by many had posted by many before so chill out.  Paolo asking was good enough.

Quote - Ha yess the puritan christian attitude LOL no problem

You are making assumptions that have no ground on reality. I'm not a Christian and I have no puritanical background. 

Cheers.

Quote - > Quote - Ha yess the puritan christian attitude LOL no problem

You are making assumptions that have no ground on reality. I'm not a Christian and I have no puritanical background. 

Cheers.

It was just a joke Paolo thought you would of gotten that... As I mentioned pics like this have been posted for a long time and suddenly its an issue so...Its your thread..

Quote - I find it inresresting that something gets mentioned when I said the word porn. Plenty of nudes and suggested pics by many had posted by many before 

Nudity is not an issue here. Personally I dont't equate nudity with sex. There is nude and nude. The David by Michelangelo is a good example. There is a way of exhalting the beauty of the human figure that has no sexual connotation. No problem with that. It was the use of the word "porn" that raised a flag for me. Porn is the explicit depiction of sexual acts. As I said, I have no issue with you or others creating porn. It's a free society and we all decide what is important to us. I'm not judging you. I just request, kindly, that we keep this thread about Reality, Lux and the artistic expression, if possible. 

All the best. 

Quote - It was just a joke Paolo thought you would of gotten that... 

Sorry, no I didn't get that it was a joke. The web has the habit of stripping the messages of their intonation :)

Cheers