I just need to quit reading it, every time I do I just want to go on a rip.

Sure tell people all the good stuff about carrara, but lets not mention all the bad stuff. Like quite a bit of the content released rom DAZ in the last 6 months wont load to carrara. We'll just go ahead and let them spend their money so they can find out for themselves. The best way to get all those stuborn carraraests over to Studio is to make sure no new content works in it.

Man, this is like trying to swim in concrete. If I didn't so stubornly love doing CG art I'd have given up on DAZ years ago. DAZ seems to be my biggest diturent to doing CG art.

Huh, ? I have saved a million million million dollars since daz decided to go on the new path, I'm happy, don't worry, be happy, just make art!

Kind of hard to do art when I have to do battle with content and applications, and the developer has everyone on ignor.

But you are right, no reason to buy content if it doesn't work in my application. Saves me money costs DAZ money. But how can I suport carrara; financially, if DAZ content wont work in it? It's like DAZ doesn't want my money.

Quote - But you are right, no reason to buy content if it doesn't work in my application. Saves me money costs DAZ money. But how can I suport carrara; financially, if DAZ content wont work in it? It's like DAZ doesn't want my money.

As much as you complain, maybe they don't.

I am still waiting for your tutorial on the best was to install and setup Poser 2014. Due to an issue I created, I had to format and start over. So this is a good time to setup Poser to make manuvering easier. I have a ka-zillion files that need to be installed and I have yet to get a good handle on run times.

Quote - Kind of hard to do art when I have to do battle with content and applications, and the developer has everyone on ignor. But you are right, no reason to buy content if it doesn't work in my application. Saves me money costs DAZ money. But how can I suport carrara; financially, if DAZ content wont work in it? It's like DAZ doesn't want my money.

I don't know if Daz wants any of our money.

So much new content over at the Daz site is DUF format, with no OBJ. Which is really crazy, because OBJ plays nicely in Poser, DS3.0 and earlier, and Carrara, with no extra BS. 

I really love a lot of the stuff for G2F (V6, Olympia, etc), but I need my Carrara to work flawlessly and from what I'm seeing, that's not the case.

Luckily, Rendo still supports us. Daz has a nice sale going on Gen4 stuff.

I wish they would fix Carrara.

Quote - Huh, ? I have saved a million million million dollars since daz decided to go on the new path, I'm happy, don't worry, be happy, just make art!

Yeah. Saved tons of money (not millions and millions but them some of us had a bigger habit than others) not buying at DAZ. Left me with money to buy all those nifty plugins from Inagoni and DCG. :)

okay a thousand thousand thousand then ;)

Haven't touched Poser since P6.

The only handle to get on runtimes is how you want to sort them. Hell I still have my V2/M2 runtimes; I don't know, just still have them lol When my V4 poses folder got out of hand I sorted it to mats, morphs, and Poses. Now it seems I need to do the same with her figures folder, maybe sort it to characters, hair, modern, scifi, fansity, and naughty lol

Carrara's content menus are still a weak point. If I could hack C8.5 to fix stuff myself, that would be in my top ten to fix. Number one would be shader list role back. An aggrivation I have had to deal with for far too long.

But I have spent all I intend to till DAZ fixes the present issues with C8.5, ie. not being able to use poses, mats, or morphs that have come out in the last 6 months. If I can't use it in carrara there is no point in me buying it; and I have $60 worth of just G2F content on my wish list {I think my stonemason scenes wish listed is up to $380 now  } I already have about $30 worth of poses for Jack's sets I should have gotten refunds on. That would be the mad doctor/nurse mats and poses for westpark, and the same for the moonshine diner. None of it works in carrara.

I'm pretty well using Genesis and G2F as much as I can. I just really like working with the figures, carrara doesn't but I do lol I don't like having to set up my characters in Studo the only big adavantage; besides content working, is the Hex bridge. The problem with staging in Studio is Studio has some hyper active smoothing/antipoke though thing going on, that will fool you in to thinking everything looks good, open the scene in carrara and you wonder what happened lol

But I'm just preaching to the choir here, and even if I could get back on the DAZ forum that would last about as long as my first post. lol And the way it looks no one there will get up in DAZ's face about these issue. Seems the lead forumite there is just candy coating C8.5 in to a diabetic coma.

why not just do an open letter to daz and post it publicly, and then make sure every one knew about it, I would add my name to it.

The only way Daz will take notice is through PR or Bad Publicity

Quote - why not just do an open letter to daz and post it publicly, and then make sure every one knew about it, I would add my name to it. The only way Daz will take notice is through PR or Bad Publicity

Daz cheerleaders would shout the post down for a few pages.

Then someone would be accused of hurting Carrara by pointing out the flaws.

Then Daz would probably pull the post down in short order.

Then ban the poster.

who said the letter had to posted at daz, it could be hosted elsewhere

I'm not sure it would do any good, even carraraests are tired of hearing about the issues with C8.5. DAZ certainly isn't going to do anything to fix it. We already know there wont be an update to C8.5; no C8.6.And C9 is questionable at best. I haven't hear really anything concrete about it, it's quite possable after the abysmal sales of C8.5 DAZ just gave up on carrara but doesn't want to blow any possable sales by saying as much. Ignorance is profit.

It also seems most carraraest aren't active on the forums/in the community. There is half a dozen regular posters here, maybe as many on the carraracafe, and possably only a dozen on the DAZ forum, a good postion of which are new users crossing over from studio.

I tried not to long ago to get everyone to contact sales/suport at DAZ and ask for an update to C8.5, did any one here do that? So what good would an open letter do?

DAZ has already come to the conclusion that people talking bad about carrara and DAZ is the cause of the low sales. It certainly had nothing to do with lacking promotions, updates, or development. Had nothing to do with DAZ taking carrara in a direction most carraraest didn't want to go.

I could get back on the DAZ forum, but I would have to make promeses that just would not be in my nature to keep. I'd have to do a lengthy post on the currant state of carrara, and regardless of how nice I posted it it's not information DAZ wants in it's forum. Seems DAZ's biggest enemy with carrara is the truth.

But then if carraraests wanted me back on the DAZ forum they wouldn't be turning in my alt accounts. Right now the DAZ carrara forum is being run by 3 crossover Studio cheerleaders, and I don't expect that to change.

I used to post there all the time, but got tired of trying to make things better, I asked why they removed the bug tracker, and why we had to contact support desk to report bugs, were they trying to hide that they wernt fixing bugs, as that is the only reason i can see to remove it, and not the, oh its to streamline the process.

Reason I have stopped posting here, at Daz and at the Cafe is because art is not as important to me now as it once was.

As to whether the open letter would help or Daz taking notice, if people don't want to do anything to help, and at least say they tried, then they don't really have the right to bitch and moan about daz not doing anything.

At least if we tried we MIGHT get something from Daz, bad publicity is bad, even if they say there is no so thing as bad publicity, if you can damage Daz's image then they will take notice :)

Quote - I tried not to long ago to get everyone to contact sales/suport at DAZ and ask for an update to C8.5, did any one here do that? So what good would an open letter do?

I did that and I know of one other person who did.

well at least it would be doing something other than bitching about the problems on various forums, Daz will not take any action unless it directly affects them, then again they probably wouldn't do anything if it did.

Point is it's better to do some than to do nothing

The problem is I have repeatedly, through the years tried to get carraraest to unite to pressure DAZ in to fixing carrara. Hasn't worked, carraraests seem to be very individual people. I have done what I can. I was arguing with DAZ sales/support for 3 days. They wanted to give me a refund, I told them I wanted the carrara I paid for. When I was on the DAZ carrara forum I cut DAZ no slack. I pointed out issues, and gripped about bugs. What this got me was reported by fellow carraraests. 

I'm off the carraracafe because fellow carraraest are so fed up with me complaining about the issues with C8.5 and genesis{ that they have no interset in} that some one got mean, vindictive and abused their powers as a forum mod. And there in lies the problem. A lot of carraraests didn't get C8.5, there for don't use genesis or G3F/M, so don't care how bad C8.5 is or that it doesn't do what it was build to do.

I was banned from the DAZ forum for telling someone not to invest in genesis because genesis was dead, DAZ wasn't developing it. That was what? better then a year ago. Once again I was right. DAZ has not done anything to update genesis since it's release 4 years ago{?}. So I got banned from the DAZ forum for telling the truth. Certainly not something DAZ wants prospective new customers to know.

DAZ's cure for issues with carrara is to ban people that complain about them. Or atleast pull the posts. The DAZ carrara forum is little more then a propaganda machine. And the main posters there just contribute to the propaganda.

It's my opinioin C8.5 was the worst selling build of carrara to date. DAZ didn't see a profit in it so axed carrara development; no C9. And wont say as much as long as carraraests are still shoping at DAZ.

What to do? Shop at DAZ, buy stuff, return it with an explanation that they don't work in carrara. Now here is what will get DAZ's attantion, get cash back on your retrun, not a voucher. Vouchers don't take money out of DAZ's wallet.

Now I am about to dump 30 days of purcheses on DAZ sales and suport and ask for a cash refund.

well it may have been the way you went about it, you do have a way with words :p

http://www.daz3d.com/forums/viewthread/43623/

I will try it my way, and I am ready for the Daz appologists, if no one seems interested then I will give up on 3D art in general, if others wish to be shat on by Daz or any company they have bought stuff from then I will not waste my time

I can tell you what the responces to that post is going to be. It's all your fault. I kid you not. I'm book marking it but I am sure people will offer up excuses and justifications for DAZ. That is if the post doesn't get pulled out right.

Sub total for cash back, $78.

I too know what they will say and as I said I am ready for them, as for Daz pulling it if they do then that will be the nail in the coffin, and the proof we all need :p

Could some one give GumpOtaku my condolences.

Thanks artistX, but watch yourself. The reason I'm not in the challenges is because DAZ told people not to post for me. Even though I am one of the very few, make that elite carraraests that actually uses Genesis and G2F/M.

Don't beleive me? Look at any of the "post your renders" threads there. One person using genesis, and he is a Studio cheerleading cross over user with his head so far in the clouds he can't see the ground crumbeling beneath his feet.

Of corse there is some one hawking their latest web site, and some one else pushing the hell out of iclone.

To be honest I have had it with Daz and the way they treated me when I was a vendor there, they can ban me if they like, not that it will bother me :0)

And there in lies the issue, DAZ doesn't care if they lose carrara users. The way DAZ has been running us off since C7, it's apparent they don't want us around. Unlike Studio fanatics, we complain about issues and expect fixes.

Oh, could some one tell DUDU_00001 that holly didn't delete that thread, I asked for it to be done before my account there was closed; which I also asked for. Holly is more of a value to the sight and one of us had to go.

We have removed a post that you made to the "It Had to Happen Sooner or Later…" thread because we do not allow the posting of personal messages from members who are prohibited from posting in their own right

Nazi Daz mods strike again

I don't use 8.5. Never bought it because I never felt that it was worth the price they were asking. I've no interest in Genesis. I just want a better Carrara. I can't really add to your thread over at DAZ. Anything I'd say would probably get delelted for being 'off topic'. I'd hate for 'them' to have to go to any trouble on my account. Glad you started it, though. Hope it accomplishes something...anything. Any sort of word from the PTB would be a welcome change from their current bully tactics.

Interesting thing. I notice (at this time) that your thread has over 200 views but only 6 replies (I realize some have been deleted by 'them'). I know from other users of 8.5 that there are more issues than the few listed so far. I'm interested in seeing how this plays out.

For anyone who might be interested, Shade3D Pro is on sale right now, and you can crossgrade from Carrara for $199. This was posted over in the Poser Forum, and thought someone here might be interested.

Shades interface is much different than Carrara's (I don't get along with it very well), but it has some great features, and could make a good companion tool to Carrara, especially if you have Poser Pro (Poser Fusion).

So far I have found work arounds for most issues with gensis; named Studio.

There is more to C8.5 then genesis. The soft cloth phtsics is pracktical worth what I paid for C8.5. I was working on one here recently with G2F, V4's sexy dress, and softcloth/pinned. It was one of those strapless number so I pinned it to G2F's chest/back with a very slim line. Worked nice, but I was never happy with the poses. None really showed the drapage well.

But the big push, most touted feature of C8.5 was genesis compatability. Which stumbles a lot then fall flat on it's face in gen2. Which was out months before C8.5. DAZ knew the gen2s weren't C8.5 compatable befor eit came out yet never made it compatable.

Now I have grown quite dependent on Studio 4.6 for far more then want I want to. Yes I wanted it for optitex dynamic sims; which work in C8.5 pretty nicly most of the time. I also wanted it for the Hex bridge; if you haven't tried this you don't know what youa re missing. This is how charcter morphing and clothing fixing should be, wish carrara was comparable.

But no, I pretty well have to stage my figure in Studio; cloth, pose, texture, to finish staging in carrara. Quite often genesis is quite easy to work with this way. G2F on the other hand often errors out. Although I'm sure most of you have seen what I have been doing with genesis, G2f, and that is just the good 25% lol

You really should check some of the tools in Studio for working with genesis, G2F. They are worth having studio on your comp. Thing is, I don't know if you want the latest version. I wont update for fear of losing the present compatability.

"WE have removed several posts from this thread in order to allow it to go back to it’s original purpose."

And this is why there is no reason to try to discuss issues with carrara on the DAZ forum. it gets turned to white bread fast. Any one from DAZ that poped on to read the forum would be clueless because of the sanitized information.

Quote - So far I have found work arounds for most issues with gensis; named Studio.

There is more to C8.5 then genesis. The soft cloth phtsics is pracktical worth what I paid for C8.5. I was working on one here recently with G2F, V4's sexy dress, and softcloth/pinned. It was one of those strapless number so I pinned it to G2F's chest/back with a very slim line. Worked nice, but I was never happy with the poses. None really showed the drapage well.

But the big push, most touted feature of C8.5 was genesis compatability. Which stumbles a lot then fall flat on it's face in gen2. Which was out months before C8.5. DAZ knew the gen2s weren't C8.5 compatable befor eit came out yet never made it compatable.

Now I have grown quite dependent on Studio 4.6 for far more then want I want to. Yes I wanted it for optitex dynamic sims; which work in C8.5 pretty nicly most of the time. I also wanted it for the Hex bridge; if you haven't tried this you don't know what youa re missing. This is how charcter morphing and clothing fixing should be, wish carrara was comparable.

But no, I pretty well have to stage my figure in Studio; cloth, pose, texture, to finish staging in carrara. Quite often genesis is quite easy to work with this way. G2F on the other hand often errors out. Although I'm sure most of you have seen what I have been doing with genesis, G2f, and that is just the good 25% lol

You really should check some of the tools in Studio for working with genesis, G2F. They are worth having studio on your comp. Thing is, I don't know if you want the latest version. I wont update for fear of losing the present compatability.

"WE have removed several posts from this thread in order to allow it to go back to it’s original purpose."

And this is why there is no reason to try to discuss issues with carrara on the DAZ forum. it gets turned to white bread fast. Any one from DAZ that poped on to read the forum would be clueless because of the sanitized information.

Got to agree with you Stan. Studio has some great features that are needed in Carrara. I use studio a fair amount, but I still prefer Carrara. 3Delight still isn't as user freindly as rendering in Carrara (or as fast, unless you really dig under the hood).

I posted a couple of issues in the DAZ thread that I know are things that drive you nuts as well. Don't know if it will do any good, but thought I'd give it a shot.

Well I managed to get cash back on 2 items $10 isn't going to get DAZ's attention.

I also see that thread at DAZ is going no where. People are just fed up with pointing out issue and fileing bug reports that seem to do absolutly no good.

DAZ quite plain and simple has the carrara community on ignor.

OVERSTEPPED MY BOUNDRIES??? I have some CHOICE words for you but apparently there is no way to PM you through Rendo Stan.

Because YOU are such a CHILD, no one is allowed to enjoy ANYTHING because YOU have no consideration or self control.

 Cafe is OVER thanks to you Stan. That was your goal all along RIGHT? Little man child can't play with his dolly so everyone becomes your enemy. DUDE you have OVER STEPPED YOUR BOUNDS as a PERSON!

Good bye a-hole! I hope you choke on your stupid Genesis doll. Thanks to YOU and YOU ALONE i am ditching Cafe and Carrara. Go to hell.

Now you see what I had to put up with at the cafe, and why I left it.

Holly I used to have some respect for you, now you don't rate a responce. But don't even try to make me the scape goat for you giving up and quiting. That is all on you.

I had this post vanish twice, so if there are three, not my fault lol

Well to be fair Stan you did say some pretty mean things yourself over there to her before you left, and she had every right to say she was getting fed up with the negativity of your post's, you don't have to like it, but she had every right to say it

Quote - Well to be fair Stan you did say some pretty mean things yourself over there to her before you left, and she had every right to say she was getting fed up with the negativity of your post's, you don't have to like it, but she had every right to say it

Ahh now I see what prompted this. Thanks dude. You've been a real help.

And no, no mod has the right to go on a rip like that. More over except for my responce to her; that was quite tame by comparisen, I never said anything mean to Holly. 

But that is not the here and now. Now we are discussing the DAZ carrara forum and what can be done; if anything, to prompt DAZ to talk to us, inform us, and fix the issues in C8.5.

Oh, the open letter wont work, we have tried petitions in the past. Didn't do a bit of good. The only way to get DAZ's attention is to hit them in the wallet, where it counts.

And that is why I am hoping the thread over at Daz will get people saying the same as me, that is I will not spend money on anything in the store that is genesis as it doesn't work, or does with some serious issues, that and the fact I won't be buying C9 unless it's a show stopping version.

If enough peole say the same it may get Daz to notice

I agree. I'd love to think it would do some good. But this is nothing new for me and DAZ, I have been at DAZ about what DAZ has done/is doing to carrara for quite some time. And I have tried to unite carraraest before; I am a terrable rable rouser.

But that is just my nature. The only way to solve a problem is to get on it and stay on it till it is solved. Yes I do tend to obsess. {I know all my flaws, I've had women hand me lists lol}

But the facts remain, and I'm sure most will agree, C8.5 has been mostly a fail since release; at least the genesis compatability part, and DAZ has done nothing to fix it.

It's summer, I'm doing what odd jobs I still can, meaning I have a little bit of money to spend, and CG content is one of the things I want to spend it on. If dawn worked better then genesis in C8.5 I'd be spending my money at hivewire, with old freinds. But I am working with genesis and G2F as best I can, and coming up with some real nice renders, takes some work, a fair amount of effort, and staging the character in studio. But I wanted the poses I spent my money on, if I hadn't I wouldn't have bought them. I didn't want a refund, I wanted them to work in carrara. I could use them in Studio, but I did not buy them to use in Studio.

Which I am suposed to be doing in C8.5, and with out issues that force me to use studio, which was the primary reason for C8.5. And why I bought it. I mean I wouldn't pay for twaeks and bug fixes even though they were they best part of C8.5. I paid to be able to keep up with the DAZ figures and content, not for an app that was incompatable with the latest figure when released.

Oh, Sorry, I often forget to thank people for supporting me in this cause.

Thank you

Ahh man, just dawned on me; I can be so thick, I could probably have posed the figures in Studio and then resaved the pose, and they probably would work in carrara. As I said I haven't update Studio 4.6 since I downloaded it  the day I bought C8.5; I did the beta I knew what to expect {well I knew what was wrong with the beta  lol}.

Doing Something is better than doing nothing.

We do need at least a little rabble rousing if anything's to be accomplished.

If ArtisX puts up a thread over at Daz, I'll stop round and sign it.

Stan

Is it possible to save a model, let's say a building, that's in DUF format originally, save it as OBJ or something that can be used in Carrara?

Quote - Stan

Is it possible to save a model, let's say a building, that's in DUF format originally, save it as OBJ or something that can be used in Carrara?

For buildings and the like (or even entire scenes) you can use DS to export to obj and import that to Carrara. The export to obj in DS is quite good, and you can export the textures with the obj which makes retexturing much easier.

Quote - Doing Something is better than doing nothing.

We do need at least a little rabble rousing if anything's to be accomplished.

If ArtisX puts up a thread over at Daz, I'll stop round and sign it.

Already have :p

You might also try DAZcollada or FBX. But that seems to be a crap shoot, some times they work fine, sometimes things get real jumbled up.

Well I could add a lot to that thread. It seems light at best. I mean for all the posts there isn't many issues listed. And it may have been better if it was just people listing their issues with C8.5. It might be good if someone went through and made a clear, concise list of the posted issues.

Don't waste time on updates to autofit. It workes based on clones/morphs, something you can actually do your self with Studio. I did so I could use redvipers A4 clothes on genesis. It really isn't that difficult, 10-12 steps mostly automated by Studio. I'd give a tutorial of how to add morph fixes{?} to autofit, but I did it by trial and error and can't remember the steps.  Just assume if I can do it, it isn't that difficult lol

None the less, I'll have to agree one of the big issues with carrara is DAZ not communicating with carraraests. I know DAZ has a priority list for C9. But as has been proven repeatedly in the past, DAZ's priorities aren't the same as carraraests. Most all the people that DAZ devs would have to fear if they communicated on the Carrara forum, aren't on the forum any more. And with carrara lagging so far behind the rest of the pack, I don't see how anything the DAZ devs could be doing with it could be any sort of big hairy industrial secret. And I don't think we want DAZ wasting a lot of developmental time; and as such money, working on something most cararaest aren't interested in and probably may never use.

As in DAZ may want C9 far more content compatable, but I think the carrara community would be more interested in SSS using maps, or fixes to a couple of dozen little aggrivations; I hate mip mapping, I end up with seams in skins quite often because of it, of coarse the shader scroll back issue, and so on.

Yes I want better content compatability, I love working with the latest DAZ dolly, always have. If you could go back in time you'd see I was always one of the first carraraests to jump on the new dolly flavor bandwagon. That is why I have so many morphs for Genesis.

So what is the biggest problem with carrara right now? No word from DAZ about C9 in a year. All this falderal will be moot if DAZ has actually dropped carrara development. All I have is a slip of the tongue to go on, but some times that is good enough for me.

Quote - > Quote - Doing Something is better than doing nothing.

We do need at least a little rabble rousing if anything's to be accomplished.

If ArtisX puts up a thread over at Daz, I'll stop round and sign it.

 

Already have :p

I went over and put in my 2 cents.

Hopefully, someone from Daz will notice.

It is encouraging that it was stickied.

placation

pla·cate 1[pley-keyt, plak-eyt] Show IPA

verb (used with object), pla·cat·ed, pla·cat·ing.to appease or pacify, especially by concessions or conciliatory gestures: to placate an outraged citizenry.

I have yet to see a DAZ_  post to that thread. It's like carrying on a conversation with someone that has set their phone down and walked away.

seems like you are trying to piss on me for trying.

They may have looked, they may never look, but at least I can hold my head up and say I tried, which is more than I can say for a lot of Carrara users

Quote - For anyone who might be interested, Shade3D Pro is on sale right now, and you can crossgrade from Carrara for $199. This was posted over in the Poser Forum, and thought someone here might be interested.

Shades interface is much different than Carrara's (I don't get along with it very well), but it has some great features, and could make a good companion tool to Carrara, especially if you have Poser Pro (Poser Fusion).

I think you'll find Shade 3D ver 14 UI fairly easy to use. I have something to admit too - I abandoned Carrara myself years ago. I used to be a Ray Dream user in the 90s and loved it. I also picked up Hexagon and tried that and while I liked the UI in general it was so buggy it was unusable for me (it couldn't import the vast majority of my models in 3DS format).

If you tried Shade years ago (back in the Shade 10 days), you'll remember it being sort of CAD like. Now if you really like that, its still there - you just have to reconfigure the interface for it. But since then, the UI that you use now puts all the tools you need into one very accessible location, while maintaining the Shade Browser which is a fantastic way to work with your models in a hierarchical method. What you need is accessible, non-modal.

Shade Pro is the high end version and normally costs $499 in USD, but the cross grade is $199, so its a great deal. There is a mega-list of features available, but also a list of just the features found in Pro that you don't find in Standard.

I can try to answer your Shade questions if you want to ask them. A great place for answers from a lot of long time users is on the FB forum here.

Quote - seems like you are trying to piss on me for trying.

They may have looked, they may never look, but at least I can hold my head up and say I tried, which is more than I can say for a lot of Carrara users

No not at all. I'm a pessimist; and for good reason, if most everything I do isn't an up hill tooth and nail battle in mud, I figure I'm doing something wrong. If I fix something easy with no hassle, I know it isn't fixed. Eor is my hero.

This goes with my experiance with DAZ. Over the years DAZ has gotten less and less communicative and treated carraraests more and more like second class customers till we get to were we are today. New content, especially for G2F/M, doesn't work in carrara and DAZ has said nothing since the release of C8.5.

The carrara forum at DAZ should be more then contests and commercials. Yes there is the advice, but there should also be some communication from DAZ. Part of a forum is suposed to be communication between the customers/fans and the company/devs.

Why do I make assumptions based on little real info? Because we have nothing else. The addage that no news is good news doesn't work in this case. It's no news is bad news.

I know there wont be a C8.6. Next build of carrara was C9, 3 months over due and not a word from DAZ. What do we know about C9? It might, MIGHT have fixes for the issues in C8.5. Anything else?

Now over due I'm not worried about, I've come to expect it. But no word, no explanation, no "we're working on it", that is quite worrysome.

Quote - Why do I make assumptions based on little real info? Because we have nothing else.

Sadly, your assumptions are usually correct.

Quote - The carrara forum at DAZ should be more then contests and commercials. Yes there is the advice, but there should also be some communication from DAZ. Part of a forum is suposed to be communication between the customers/fans and the company/devs.

I have raised this point too in the past. The usual respose I get is that Daz people are tired of being beaten up by people in the forum. This would make some sense if the people they sent in weren't given rubbish to say in the first place to people that have been deprived of news for so long.

I'm not saying beatings SHOULD be handed out to these people, it's just understandable. Like the response you give to some bloke who owes you 25 quid and has been dodging you for a month.

If Daz would just post an announcement. An Intelligent, well thought out announcement and posted it with no way to comment, then that would be something.

Would it make everyone happy? No. But, some of us would appreciate it.

I have been told in PM's that Jared is keeping an eye on the thread I started and has asked a few mods to keep him up to date, I did ask for an official posting from a Daz employee as to what is going on, but nothing forth coming yet, I have let the mods know I will not let this drop.

That is unless I feel like I am the only one trying to get things done, or I feel I am pissing in the wind, then I may drop it.

Well it's quite apparent you have the support of most all the vocal/forum active carraraests, even the eternal optimist. This wave should work better then any I tried to start. You haven't offended so many people And aren't so coarse in your posts.

Ya, I think I'm up to 14 for 17 tsarist.

Hell, if it wasn't that it would go against my better sense, I'd see about geting my ban dropped to post my short list; sands opinion, to that thread.

I think that man stans assumptions are correct based on the data.

The data being that there is no news on Carrara 9.

A company hoping to sell Carrara 9 would talk it up, would let leaks out, gradually build the excitement.

A company not planning on c9 release, or that was planning on selling it, would keep mum.

Daz is keeping quite on the issue.

That tells us quite a lot.