Hi everyone

I am getting into steampunk rendering ideas and collecting the items i will need.

I am looking for an old fashioned oilcan.

Steam punk or victorian or other vintage style with cone base and goose neck spout and handle.

Think of the oil can the Tin Man had and you can get a good idea of what I am looking for.

Free will make me giggle with joy but if need to purchase depending on style etc, might be attractive if reasonable.

I have looked everywhere for one without success.

Any leads would be appreciated.

If I could model my own i would but I don not know how so I beg. :(

Hi there

Please have look on those links

http://www.sharecg.com/v/40958/browse/11/Poser/Kerosine-lamp2.obj

http://www.sharecg.com/v/42130/browse/11/Poser/Biblical-houses-lamp-and-cooking-pots

http://www.sharecg.com/v/41552/browse/11/Poser/Roman-Oil-Lamp

Or this 

http://www.renderosity.com/mod/freestuff/?item_id=68300

Thanks,Jura

thanks but not exactly what an oil can is.

i did say oil CAN......as in lubrication oil, machine oil and the kind used in Wizard of Oz by the tin man to lube his rusty joints.

something like this:

would something like this work ?

I have more work to do on it but its a start.

heres my last attempt render in Poser 7. I uv mapped the body only for labels. I grouped it as body, top, spout (3 mats) handle, lever.   

I have a few things in the spout to fix, it bulges oddly when smoothing is used. I dont like the lever either, I am going to try it again to get closer to the picture.

If you want it drop me a pm with email and I can send the obj only or a zip of it as a poser prop.

pretty nice!  What app did you use to create the model?  Blender?

really nice but I still need it to look the image i posted. I like yours a lot and would snarf it up in a second but i need something vintage looking steam Punkish or victorian-like.

The TinMan I am using is loosely based on that Steampunk look so the can has to look like it was created by the same period "GOD".

I hope that doesn't make me sound ungrateful...because I am not ungrateful.

Even so, it's not that far off. The spout is waaay to long, and  the handle and lever are not curved enough to match  the picture.

Shante, you're probably not going to find an exact match.

i know that dear as i know beggars can't be choosy. but i endeavor to perservere getting as close as i can to that stupid image in my head. times like this i wish i could wrap my head around the learning curve of modeling.  :(

@ shante, you want a model, you should get what you want, so I expect to make some changes. I dont like the lever I did, it was just a start to get a complete item.

changing the spout length would be easy, its just dragging some points around.

I am playing with a new lever by using a subd surface but it might take me a day.

Looking at the handle it needs some changes too.

I am not good with textures so everything is just colored. The body uv map could be used to get close to the picture.

@ hamiltonpl   I use Lightwave. Blender would work as well.

When its done I may put it up on sharecg.

I haven't modeled anything in a while, but I'll fire up wings and give it a try.  Shouldn't be difficult, I've made a couple of different styles for my own use, but not pump oilers,those with the clicker bottom.  Info, with the style of can, 1940's to mid 50's.  Looks to be about a one pint, a common size then.  I probably have one in the basement, I have more pump oilers than I could ever really need. 

@markschum, the handle has two different curves, sharper at the bottom than the top, and generous room for the hand between handle and tank.  Round the top of the tank a little more, the style you have would be more 1970's or 80's.  They were usually painted, which usually didn't last long before it was worn of due to the actions of the oil on the paints.  New, they probably had the name of the retailer on them, maker would be stamped into the bottom.  Pick a name, there were a lot of them.

Off to wings I go. no guarantees, but I'll give it a try.

Doric. 

Oh!

Thanks so much again.

Even God doesn't always give us what we want. we're lucky we can get what we need.

Look forward to getting it.

I could use some feedback on what isnt quite right with my model. any comments welcome.

this is my latest version. I think I need to stretch the lever a bit, and tidy up the end of the handle with a few small bevels.

I still need to uv map a few parts so it can be aged with a texture map.

Here is another pic.

I have sent shante the latest version of the obj file. Thats probably the best I can do for now. I will watch this thread or you can email me if there are small changes required.

Thanks so much

Got it. Now to see how it looks with textures in TinMan hands..

Peace Out

 I Like it. Much closer looking to the pic. The lever needs a fulcrum on it, but that's about all.

OK...here is the first try.

There are two things I would love changed.

1.  More space between fingers and body of can to fit a bigger hand.....bot hand.

2.  Would like another UV map for the base ring. Want to make all elements so I can make steel

, copper and or brass.

this is a better image i think and I agree about the fulcrum too. I thought something was missing just not sure what.

Getting there markschum.  Only criticisms I'd have, as mentioned, missing pump lever fulcrum, and at least a small cylinder to simulate the pump itself..  For the era, the top should be more spherical than it is, and the beading at the bottom is oversize, not in thickness but in height.  Those are machine rolled, the top of the bead is crimped down to capture a slight flare on the bottom of the can body. Average height of the bead isn't much more than the thickness.

Shante, I have never yet seen a used oilcan of this type with rust, too much oil protecting the metal, and the tanks are spun on a mandrel they're usually pretty smooth.  Some were die formed, but that's asking a lot of stretch in a piece of steel.  Sounds complicated and time consuming, but for any given operation in the manufacture, seconds, not minutes. dents, now that's another thing, I  don't have any without dents.

And I know, it just seems strange to me that something I've used almost all my life, many people aren't familiar with details.

I did give it a try in wings, shall we say Yeuchh, and let it go at that.  I could, but it wouldn't be a five minute job, more like a couple of days.

Doric

here is oilcan 2b...much nicer.

hiya!

I grew up in an old European environment where we communicated as much with facial expressions and hand signs and and body language as with words. after my dad died and I was taking care of my dear dying mother, who out of inability to get enough air in her lungs for speech, speech was almost completely forsaken for those other forms of communication, which combined my ability to watch and try to anticipate her needs , I was fairly able to provide for her needs.

 when we did speak, even growing up, we spoke in general, embracing, universal terms finding the minutia of our languages (Italian & English) unnecessary. crossing t's and dotting i's seemed panacea then,(as it is now for me to the frustration to many who know me who drag conversations on forever with their tedious minutia) preferring to just get the idea out and our point across and end the conversation quick, quick!

so, if i said "rust" what i meant was worn and tattered and oil stained (black and sticky with oil tar and dirt). But there was rust too. Tiny pocks of it, thin layers here and there on the surface of the body of the can where oil usually did not
 cover effectively.

Yeah, we all take for granted the world around us, especially all the millions of "things" that pass before our eyes or touch our lives....like oil cans. Its not until we have to stop our stupid spinning or treadmilling lives for a second and reflect and/or describe verbally or visually some singular thing, that we realize we have no clue of it's detailed...."minutia". I guess some speak and think as we live...generally. Thus the wonderful importance of Reference Images! ;)

What I find strange is that with all the 3D bots and cyborgs and vehicles  out there in the Poserverse noone has created and distributed for free or for sale any oil cans. Lots of bongs and smoking and drug paraphenalia even pot leaves and bushes, hypodermic needles and syringes, guns and other forms of weaponry, dildos and vibes, straight jackets and other bondage tools, cages and dungeons but no bidet...or oil cans!   What is up with that!   LOL

Get busy you 3D artists out there we are still needy of the little insignificant stuff in this strange universe. Stuff apparently taken for granted by Poser users!  :)

Getting there markschum.  Only criticisms I'd have, as mentioned, missing pump lever fulcrum, and at least a small cylinder to simulate the pump itself..  For the era, the top should be more spherical than it is, and the beading at the bottom is oversize, not in thickness but in height.  Those are machine rolled, the top of the bead is crimped down to capture a slight flare on the bottom of the can body. Average height of the bead isn't much more than the thickness.

Shante, I have never yet seen a used oilcan of this type with rust, too much oil protecting the metal, and the tanks are spun on a mandrel they're usually pretty smooth.  Some were die formed, but that's asking a lot of stretch in a piece of steel.  Sounds complicated and time consuming, but for any given operation in the manufacture, seconds, not minutes. dents, now that's another thing, I  don't have any without dents.

And I know, it just seems strange to me that something I've used almost all my life, many people aren't familiar with details.

I did give it a try in wings, shall we say Yeuchh, and let it go at that.  I could, but it wouldn't be a five minute job, more like a couple of days.

Doric

These things that I call Scene fillers, are the small details that make a picture more convincing.  Texturing is a boog thing, since even a very simple model can be much improved with a good texture, and a bump map to add the small dings and dents.

The way I used to make cans like this was to spin the can on a form, turn a slange at the bottom. fold over a flange on the bottom, then fold it down and fold the whole join up (if you follow that. It makes the folded seam three layers of metal.   The can could be drawn on a former, even in steel, you just need a good press. If die formed the scratches run up and down the can, spun the scratches go around the can.

The oilcan 2 lever should have a small pivot  , the little pump mechanism could be more detailed but I didnt want to spend a lot of time on it.

I look for these things at sharecg bit more at turbosquid.  Turbosquid has some excellent stuff but some prices are high.

seems the way things are made in the real world don't have to be same as in poser world. folding stuff seems way over my head and a lot more work than necessary. but then i have no clue how one would turn roll press and fold so it is all over my head anyway.

I took a class in 3d modeling 15 years ago...freaking lifetime. RayDream was the defacto Mac 3D app. then.  It was 2  five week sessions and it went so damn fast I was in and out and nothing stuck where it was supposed to stick anyway. But from what i remember the teacher used vectors to create the outline, either in a vector app like illustrator or within RayDream, roughing the proportions, thickness/volume of the objects and brought them back into RayDream to build it. So all the stuff you are discussing as I said is beyond me.

I wish i could figure it all out. But, if 15 years ago I missed out imagine what my brain will NOT grasp now.

Frustrating because for simple stuff like this or worse, creating morphs for figures or uv mapping to get better texturing capabilities are also beyond me. I wind up either hoping I find already made stuff in the community preferable free (though i have spent thousands of dollars on this damn Poser sheitz over the years) or beg someone to make something for me. For instance, as a photographer I did a series of nude family photos similar to Jacques Sturgess nude photos of nudists. No longer a photographer for reasons not worth getting into, I am doing the same thing in Poser..or shall I say TRYING to do when I try to make it more realistic it becomes a nightmare.

I recently purchased some fantasy adult figure morphs for the K4 kids. Shamus, Grey Alien, Elf and Troll, The Imp, Grimlens and The Schmoes (I think they are called) to name a few and want to do full figure portraits of male and female and (smaller) kid for the portraits. Because they are morphed from the K4 kids the obvious genitals are missing. Adding the male bits is easy enough but for the female I am relegated to doing a fix to the texture or doing the little detail fixes in Post which I hate to do. If I knew even the basic use of morph tools or creating morphs in Poser it would be no problem. But, Alas, I DO NOT. Frustration prevails.

So, thanks for the oil can...one more image bouncing around in my head I might be able to get a bit closer to get out of my head and onto the Poser stage!

I helped  make a genital figure for V4 which sold at renderotica. If I can find the zip files I could give you a copy. would that be any use to you ?  there are a number of genital crease morphs for female characters although not for any of the kid figures.

I am not sure I have the zips anymore but it would take me a while to look.

"seems the way things are made in the real world don't have to be same as in poser world. folding stuff seems way over my head and a lot more work than necessary. but then i have no clue how one would turn roll press and fold so it is all over my head anyway."

44 years in the industry.  Actually easier than trying to model it in 3d.

"Because they are morphed from the K4 kids the obvious genitals are missing. Adding the male bits is easy enough but for the female I am relegated to doing a fix to the texture or doing the little detail fixes in Post which I hate to do."

Don't know if it's here or RDNA, but Karina Vagina is what you're looking for.  Made for the YT or V4  but K4 has the same body mesh, works, if that's what you need.  Also works with the K4/v4 mixes.  If all you want is the groove, then you probably could avoid using the highly detailed "insert".  Or, a simple magnet will also sometimes suffice.  KV consists of a groove morph and the fiddly bits as a morphing prop. 

Doric.

I have tried using Karina's V but didn't work. Also tried free breast morphs but also didn't work. Think there might not be enough mesh detail in the K4 figure in those body sections. But in all fairness it was the V4 version I used not the YT. I will try that one for the K4. If true that the K4 is the same mesh as V4 why don't the V4 textures work with K4 or vice versa? And RDNA is pretty conservative so the KV I think would not be there. It was at the old Renderotica and I believe at ShareCG. Also the Rafelta's gen morph kit, another nice freebie adds what the KV does not add. Great combination if needed. Use them both all the time. Actually, got the KV and Rafelta to work on M4 with the two M4 to female morphs available free here in the free section. Great in a pinch when you need a a female to share the same M4 male outfits, accessories and/or textures. Now to test those morphs on K4.  As I said, I don't need anything obscene so the extra stuff isn't unnecessary. Just need a simple more realistic fold to keep it from looking Barbie-ish!

"seems the way things are made in the real world don't have to be same as in poser world. folding stuff seems way over my head and a lot more work than necessary. but then i have no clue how one would turn roll press and fold so it is all over my head anyway."

44 years in the industry.  Actually easier than trying to model it in 3d.

"Because they are morphed from the K4 kids the obvious genitals are missing. Adding the male bits is easy enough but for the female I am relegated to doing a fix to the texture or doing the little detail fixes in Post which I hate to do."

Don't know if it's here or RDNA, but Karina Vagina is what you're looking for.  Made for the YT or V4  but K4 has the same body mesh, works, if that's what you need.  Also works with the K4/v4 mixes.  If all you want is the groove, then you probably could avoid using the highly detailed "insert".  Or, a simple magnet will also sometimes suffice.  KV consists of a groove morph and the fiddly bits as a morphing prop. 

Doric.

Great. Can't get enough of that funky stuff. Been doing erotic fantasy art since i969. A few winters ago got a full page piece published in the last copy of a book: THE FUTURE OF EROTIC FANTASY ART, sold at, well everywhere internationally. So everything I can get my grubbies on to promote my obsessive mind drift is a wonderful gift. But just curious what gen pack was that at Renderotica?

I helped  make a genital figure for V4 which sold at renderotica. If I can find the zip files I could give you a copy. would that be any use to you ?  there are a number of genital crease morphs for female characters although not for any of the kid figures.

I am not sure I have the zips anymore but it would take me a while to look.

Odd.  And okay, KV Mk2 doesn't work well on K4, but on the K4/V4 mix,it works as well as on V4.  The YT version won't work on the K4.  I haven't been to 'Rotica for years, so I know I didn't get it there.  I don't use a  lot of sites, most of what I need I can find something here that will work,or sharecg. 

But, as I said, for what you want, a magnet might do.

Doric.

what is a k4/v4 mix?

As I said gotta get my stuff around because can't wrap my head around figuring magnets or morph tool.

I know the YT version won't work because the YT's wereMil3 based mesh.

Odd.  And okay, KV Mk2 doesn't work well on K4, but on the K4/V4 mix,it works as well as on V4.  The YT version won't work on the K4.  I haven't been to 'Rotica for years, so I know I didn't get it there.  I don't use a  lot of sites, most of what I need I can find something here that will work,or sharecg. 

But, as I said, for what you want, a magnet might do.

Doric.

The gen pack at rotica was RajDarges GSPOT.  It is now quite old and it my have been made for V3. Ot was a figure with a bunch of morphs so it could be parented to other figures although it was a bit of postwork to blend the join.

I am not fmiliar with K4 at all, I havent been keeping track for a few years.

Look here:  http://www.runtimedna.com/Mechanica-N-5-Bundle.html 

Henning

what is a k4/v4 mix?

As I said gotta get my stuff around because can't wrap my head around figuring magnets or morph tool.

I know the YT version won't work because the YT's wereMil3 based mesh.

http://www.renderosity.com/mod/bcs/?search=Col%27s+m4k4+mixer&expression=product_name

Yep.

I have had this set in my wish list over there, for some time now. I love it. Almost got for the holidays but there were other items that tickled my DESIRE BONE more. Also, mustn't have consciously register with me there was an oil can. I love the textureing of all the items on this pack and have the bundle set aside but can't see spending $20 for it when I can use the money to buy steak: what American Loves! THis is the exact look I was remembering wanting on my oil can for the render. Must have been subliminally planted in my head when I made my request here and consciously forgotten....along with a hell of a lot of other stuff.

Thanks for reminding me of this Henning!

Peace!!

Look here:  http://www.runtimedna.com/Mechanica-N-5-Bundle.html 

Henning

what is a k4/v4 mix?

As I said gotta get my stuff around because can't wrap my head around figuring magnets or morph tool.

I know the YT version won't work because the YT's wereMil3 based mesh.

http://www.renderosity.com/mod/bcs/?search=Col%27s+m4k4+mixer&expression=product_name

Nice but this is for mixing M4 with K4. I need the mixer for V4 and K4 and that is not available so far as I can see in the store.  :(

Nice but this is for mixing M4 with K4. I need the mixer for V4 and K4 and that is not available so far as I can see in the store.  :(

Works for both.  Just rename V4 to M4.  Same goes for David and Matt.  Rename accordingly, David becomes M4, Matt, K4.  But use the DAZ names, don't have to rename the originals, do it in the Properties window, give the resulting morph whatever you want to call it. David-Matt doesn't work as well, but still, better than nothing. Doric