so, who is using poser to render pron?

or who isn't making pron? lol

did curious labs know it might happen?

IIRC, Curious Labs released a user poll, back in the P5 days, asking how we used Poser. One of the options was porn. The Poser Team, at least, has had a longstanding awareness of how some use their products.

On edit: Going back even further, Renderotica used to be an erotic sub-forum of Renderosity, back before it was split off into a separate site. Early membership at Rotica included a larger portion of Rosity's heavy hitters of the era than you might guess, to look at what that adult Poser site has since become. The Poser community was a bit different back then. Arguably, IMO, the internet was different back then.

2400 baud modems and dial up bbs-s commodore64

"so, who is using poser to render pron?"

See your quote below for the answer.

"or who isn't making pron? lol"

More like it

"did curious labs know it might happen? "

More to the point, why should they have cared?

Tell you a story: Several years ago I found a male character that I liked, and bought it. When I opened it up, I found that there was no texture there for his genitals. I actually wrote the creator and asked why this had been omitted (I actually figured it was an error she would have wanted to correct!)

The answer I got was: "There is no genital texture. I don't want him used to make porn."

Hate to break it to her... it took me about 2 minutes to come up with a texture that worked just fine. So much for trying to control what other people do.

if i bought a character without gens texture, it was by accident >.<

Nope. Although I used to draw pornographic comics years ago... before Poser. I don't really see the point, there's already enough real porn for everybody. But then I don't get photorealism either, even from a painting perspective. I can kinda get it with cg, where the technology is aiming for emulation of real world phenomena, but from an art perspective? Ok, it looks exactly like a photograph. One can hope that the photo says something more than the thing itself. Anyway, problem is... with pornography, after you have an orgasm what use does it have? Similar to watching someone eat or defecate, wow fascinating. I suppose there's some vicarious thrill of putting Barbie and Ken in naughty positions? Really, kinda pathetic. Does anyone consider real world producers of pornography to be creating meaningful or interesting works of art on any level other than point A point B? But, maybe I'm wrongly applying the incorrect term art when considering porn. I think that works that meditate on desire or beauty are great, porn's just for wacking off. Just some thoughts.

I've done the occasional nude render for purposes of testing texture seams and the like, but rarely post the results.

I don't create porn. The communities are already glutted with those who do and, given my lack of enthusiasm, I doubt I'd be very good at it, so I'll just leave it to the professionals.

None of my figures have visible genitalia, anyway. Of course, that doesn't stop people ....

there is a glutt of porn renders, i agree, but badly rendered porn. not the same as well rendered porn lol. very few.

Some of Erogenesis' work is very nice. Unique I think. I used to like some of RajDarj's Renderotica renders. Davo's stuff is pretty cool for outright abject weirdness (in measured doses). Have to admit I haven't been to Rotica in ages, and I don't look too much at that kind of work anymore. I don't consider nudes (even with splayed genitalia) pornography per se, kinda straddles the line between porn and aesthetic beauty. I like traditional media or 2d for the pin up stuff though, really like Range Murata and Shunya Yamashita in that realm lately. Strong design elements in that stuff.

To answer the original post : I'm sure there are folks using poser to render porn. Poser is a tool, and in the EULA, it did not specify that the user(s) are prohibited to render porn. As with this site. I don't see any porn renders posted. The last time I read the TOS, pornographic renders are not allowed on this site. There is a fine line between porn and erotica, and it is usually defined by the viewer's perspective. Even the supreme court has stated vaguely "We know it when we see it" There are folks from many countries, cultures, religious beliefs visiting this site. Each one has their own views on this subject. I just hope that all of you keep an open mind and don't force your own 'morals' on others. If you think an image is offensive and violates the TOS, please report it to the administrators. Art is subjective, that's part of the fun.

Render on. JV

Yeah, I played around with it when I first got Poser 8. Morbid curiosity the blame. It didn't do anything for me. Now, I render nudes but usually in a test render setting or something else to do with a model I am working on, or to test render settings, whatever. And I know there will some who deny ever doing it, and that's fine. As JV said, it's a tool and one we are fairly free to express ourselves as we see fit.

I've been on Renderotica, and those guys and gals over there have taken it to a level I never want to spend that much time attaining.

EDIT: on another note, when trying to explain my hobby to the uninitiated, I've often had to open Poser, drop in one of the female models and show how to morph, pose, whatever. Inevitably, the first thing out of their mouths is "hey, she's got nice (insert body part). Do you ever make porn with this?"

I think it's something we outgrow the longer we do this, and the more involved we get with creating something we think is worthwhile. I am more into modeling now, and I usually only use Poser to work on the models I create. I do test renders, set up materials, create cr2's. I don't often create a nice scene to render, which is something I will need to work on as I get closer to creating my comic.

porn was around long before poser...............lots made in world of Warcraft for example poser just made it easy for people to make ..........even people with no drawing skills can still create

Well, totally OT, but I just wanted to say. Hi, Little_Dragon, LTNS. :)

"Well, totally OT, but I just wanted to say. Hi, Little_Dragon, LTNS. :)"

yeah forget porn!! I am thrilled to see Little Dragon make an appearance!!!

heddheld posted at 10:09AM Mon, 05 October 2015 - #4232309

porn was around long before poser...............lots made in world of Warcraft for example poser just made it easy for people to make ..........even people with no drawing skills can still create

warcraft hentai, yep, tee hee - some of it's excellent art

Not me....

from time to time yes

I have, from time to time. Very extremely rare instances, though... I never feel satisfied with the result.

People's definition of porn is going to vary. For me, it's images/vids/etc with the express purpose of assisting a viewer in attaining sexual satisfaction. With that definition in mind, no, I've never made any. It's possible some of my images might be arousing to someone, but that's not my specific intent. On the other hand, I'm sure there are plenty of people who would call a small few of my pics porn. But then there are plenty who would call any 14th century Madonna with exposed breasts porn, too.

I'm guessing, based on the kinds of images I used to see on Renderotica, that much of the porn that's rendered is the sort that would be somewhat more challenging to produce with live models. Torture porn, for instance. You'd have to use CGI to get some of the effects I've seen -- or live in a jurisdiction that permitted almost-snuff films -- and the kind of CGI that can be convincingly blended with film of live models is way beyond the budgets of most porn, I'd think. Then again, maybe I'm just way wrong. Maybe, once porn is being rendered, a certain percentage of peeps will naturally start producing images and animations of roped up babes having dangerous looking intercourse with complicated alien machines.

Ditto on the Great to see you, Little Dragon! Hey, maybe there's things about 2016 that's bringing the Poser 12 out of the woodwork!

As for 'porn'.... Considering the nebulosity of the term, everyone does porn. Everyone. One personal sci fi script project I need to get back to would send most into spasms for one reason or another. But. The current functioning definition of 'porn' is "I'll know it when I see it!" For a foot fetishist, for example, a fully clothed render with a teasingly exposed bare foot and delicately sculpted toes could have them sitting there panting and thumping their own paw on the floor like a Cocker Spaniel with a half dozen kids rubbing its belly correctly. The naked bits and hunka-chunka actions are only the crudest, simplistic examples of the art. As we are talking about what turns humans on, and humans are such individual entities, despite the attempts at pack or herd behavior, well..... They know it when they see it. And just because no one else sees it doesn't make it any less porn to their minds. And that is where things truly happen.

if we gonna say porn is anything that arouses us, watching a man wash the dishes and clean the kitch = porn. lol

i like to define porn as spiritually uplifting, by that definition most of what's on rotka wouldn't be porn - is more like shock tropes.

I think you spelled Prawn wrong. :)

I agree with moriador, is there porn and porn. IMO by definition the sexual act is a porn act, now everyone interpret this as "he" want. Sexual bestiality, pain (contradictory), adults with childs, animals etc are forbiden for me. Another side you have sensual porn like Dorcel, french readers will agree with me. It's this one i prefer, nudity, sexual act but all in sensuality, no butcher.

There is a difference between erotica and porn, generally I see porn as something which is without social value. But who determines whether something is of value? Then you have the idea of obscenity, which further muddies the waters. Yeah, I had critical theory classes and graduated with a 3.9 gpa from one of the most liberal art institutions in america. Lol. To see things in shades of gray goes without saying... Torture Porn? Guess it potentially keeps dangerous sadistic individuals locked away in their mom's basements, so maybe it has social value?

I tell you one thing that is certain, the Poser art community would be jettisoning silver like a slot machine if unintentional kitsch were a material commodity.

Erotica, yes, I've done that. Prefer it to pure porn, yet I've done a scene years ago that involved a certain Potions Master and some ritual :cough: wand polishing. I am embarrassed to say I got important details completely wrong the first time around and had to consult an expert, yet that one NC-17 (or maybe XXX?) rated work got the most positive feedback of any of my art. Perhaps it was because of the audience, or perhaps because of the story and characterization in the render, I may never know. But if I need a sex scene in a story or if the story I want to tell with my art involves sexuality, then I'll go for it. May not all be NC-17 or XXX but certainly a hard "R".

Funny thing is, I have a gallery at R'otica but rarely post there now and seldom visit the site. I guess their taste in porn and mine aren't the same; it's gotten a bit too hardcore and what's a good word, uncultured, for me. Torture porn? No thanks, it may have a place in a spy story or a horror piece, but certainly not as explicit as what some folks there tend to go for. I find things like that are best left to the imagination, which can conjure up sex and violence, among other things, far, far better than Poser ever could.

tl;dr "A feather is kinky, a whole bird -- or a dead pig's head -- well that's just plain perverted."

EldritchCellar posted at 7:35PM Tue, 06 October 2015 - #4232606

There is a difference between erotica and porn, generally I see porn as something which is without social value. But who determines whether something is of value? Then you have the idea of obscenity, which further muddies the waters. Yeah, I had critical theory classes and graduated with a 3.9 gpa from one of the most liberal art institutions in america. Lol. To see things in shades of gray goes without saying... Torture Porn? Guess it potentially keeps dangerous sadistic individuals locked away in their mom's basements, so maybe it has social value?

Research suggests a correlation between high rates of porn viewing in a population and lower rates of sexual violence, so there may indeed by some clear social value to even the violent variety of porn. As for ordinary pornography, I have a bit of trouble believing that something that almost every male engages in at some point or other (and more than a few, I'd guess, regularly) is somehow immoral, unnatural, or of no social value. Surely completely safe, cheap, and convenient satisfaction of people's sexual urges is useful to society? Seems far, far better to me than repressing such urges, in any case.

"so, who is using poser to render porn? "

I am. I think I definitely am.

Hey, santicor. How's that figure you were working on coming along? I thought the mesh looked pretty good in a uber sexualized right out of the box kinda way.

there nowhere to post a lil prawno animation?

I love prawns, but I am unfamiliar with this spelling ;-)

My Toon People characters, which are free, are made without genitals, and we exclude their use for that purpose in the license. The female characters do have boobies though. I just didn't want Toon Santa to show up in something unsavory. But you can porn out in any of our building models, just as easily as stepping into a real estate demo house to do it.

Lack of genitals on a figure is no way to make it porn proof, as anyone who owns Hiro 3 can attest. Lots of third party remedies out there to cure a bad case of "Ken Doll Syndrome." Still wouldn't wanna see a Toon Santa -- yours or anybody else's -- going at it, though. Some things are just ... Polite phrasing would be "Not my cuppa". Less polite: "Argh! My innocent eyes! Pass the brain bleach! Damnit, Jim, I'm a doctor not a pervert!" You get the picture. Or not, if you're lucky. ;-)

couple years ago rdna sent out there email with a horror santa in it. i unsubscribed after that.
whatever happened to the jolly ho ho ho guy?

i heard pp14 has softbody physics? no body made jiggly bewbies? lol jiggly wiggly willies?

I am just happy that this topic, this thread doesn't have any multiple advisories attached to it yet.

Don't worry, odds are we'll eventually get there. Nature of the beast and all that. Jiggly bits? A whole heap of great big bouncing boobies over at Renderotica last time I looked. Not sure if they're using PP14 to do it, though, since the poses are all for doing animation and I have not a clue about that. They might even have wiggly willies, but I ain't seen any yet. Too busy trying to find something like this: https://www.renderosity.com/mod/bcs/kinky-bodysuit/104742/ for the guys. With a few additions it's the perfect outfit for a character I'm working on. I'm thinking M4 but can adapt to V4 male if need be since he's more the bishie type than the more muscles than brains brigade he and his kinda James Bond-ish partner keep running into. (Yeah, they're spies. Been revisiting some TV favorites from the 60s and my muse finally decided to take notice. Twisted old tart insists I make Blondie wear nothing but catsuits, the slinkier the better.) Ideas, anyone? I tried the M4 bodysuit, but the zipper just doesn't go down far enough. :sigh: It ain't easy being sleazy. Especially if your name's not Vicky, you haven't got a sword, and there's n'ar a temple in sight.

Sorry....

No you're not........ ;P

No, but I tried to sound sincere!

EldritchCellar posted at 3:33PM Sun, 11 October 2015 - #4232250

Nope. Although I used to draw pornographic comics years ago... before Poser. I don't really see the point, there's already enough real porn for everybody. But then I don't get photorealism either, even from a painting perspective. I can kinda get it with cg, where the technology is aiming for emulation of real world phenomena, but from an art perspective? Ok, it looks exactly like a photograph. One can hope that the photo says something more than the thing itself. Anyway, problem is... with pornography, after you have an orgasm what use does it have? Similar to watching someone eat or defecate, wow fascinating. I suppose there's some vicarious thrill of putting Barbie and Ken in naughty positions? Really, kinda pathetic. Does anyone consider real world producers of pornography to be creating meaningful or interesting works of art on any level other than point A point B? But, maybe I'm wrongly applying the incorrect term art when considering porn. I think that works that meditate on desire or beauty are great, porn's just for wacking off. Just some thoughts.

I really don't want to defend porn, as I have multiple issues with the business of it, its attitudes toward race and age etc. But I will anyway, since there's one that sticks in my mind.

I grew up thinking that professional wrestling was the stupidest thing ever. I didn't understand the appeal of scripted conflicts and choreographed combat, the apparent formulaic nature of most matches, the seemingly simplistic good guy/bad guy dynamic, etc. etc... But because of a friend I started watching televised matches anyway, and it wasn't long until I saw a few really good matches. These matches on paper were no different than what I described. They were every bit as formulaic, scripted and choreographed as the ones which did not capture my imagination. But in reality they were something else entirely... With proper build-up I found I could care about these conflicts. When properly performed by top stars they didn't look choreographed. When the stars had true chemistry they were able to transcend simplistic character tropes and make themselves, for that moment at least, believable.

Realizing that there were bad, good and even great matches changed my entire perspective on wrestling. When you see a match that you know you will remember for years despite all of the average matches you know you will immediately forget, you realize it is in some way a form of art, that there is some intangible something that separates the memorable from the forgettable and that thing is what the best of those performers aspire to capture.

Similarly, I have seen adult productions that defy such easy dismissal.

I have seen so much porn now that your average, run-of-the-mill production does absolutely nothing for me. The women are obviously faking it. You can tell if you pay attention as to which hour of filming they were in during the different phases of the scene by how well the stud is able to maintain his manhood. It's all so mundane now. I've become jaded to it, and I have to search far and wide to find something that gets my attention. There isn't much out there any longer that does that. So my viewership has fallen off significantly. And 3D/CGI isn't the answer. It doesn't matter if it's a still render or an animation. Zero response for me. So I don't watch it and I definitely don't produce it.

been reading oglaf all night >.<

That's erotica, I think. There's both nudity and a sex act in that image despite you saying otherwise though.

I have used poser (at first) and now Daz to create adult art that focuses on leather and s& m as well as spanking and bondage. The figures I use are primarily male (Michael 6) and I look forward to Michael 7 when it's released. I think using 3d art is a great way to express human sexuality in all its many variations.

I would say that insertion of a sex toy is a sexual act, and so I would be more inclined to label it porn rather than erotica, nudity or not. After all, not all porn is made with nude performers :)

Good pic to illustrate the point of what is/isn't though, as it to me is harder than Erotica, but still below outright pornography. Maybe soft-core, rather than hard-core. Excellent expressing of feeling/emotion in it.

Either way, porn doesn't bother me, and so long as it's done well, it can look very good indeed.

An obviously very well arranged and rendered scene I think, probably what I like best about the image is the idea of the mirror and self... which I'll assume was an intentional metaphor as opposed to just being an illustrative choice. I get the feeling that there's someone on the other side of the door that's had too many martinis and needs to pee. Lol.

I suppose a big concern for many is how explicit the image is. I have very little interest in bondage (I do dig the fashion though) and no interest in gore or depictions of extreme suffering. On the other hand, I do love the works of artists like Masamune Shirow, and Paolo Eleuteri Serpieri. Somewhere between cheesecake/fan service and modern XXX might be my happy medium. Beyond that and I get an icky feeling.

But it's not specifically the moral aspect that has kept me away from seriously attempting adult imagery/animation. Physical contact, especially sexual contact, really pushes the limits of the tools I have at my disposal. Joint bending, body mass inertia, believable hands-on contact... It's only a minority of CG artists who have the skill or patience to depict those things correctly.

Renderosity's Terms of Service do not allow posting of pornographic content or images on this site.

No Posting Unacceptable Images or Writing Themes:

No Rape [actual or implied]

No Torture [defined as: the infliction of intense pain (as from burning, crushing, wounding, crucifixion) to punish, coerce, or afford sadistic pleasure]

No Sexual acts [no depictions of sexual intercourse - between humanoids/non-humanoids/animals - no masturbation]

No Physical arousal [This includes but is not exclusive to: no images of an erect penis/ no images showing the inner portion of the vulva or vaginal area]

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This is a warning to those involved. I've deleted the last two images. You can discuss the topic if you can keep it within the TOS.

ETA: An image tagged with nudity still has to comply with the tos.

Sure, understood. Although the image I posted is about as pornographic as a v4 torso map.

If I want to see 3D pron ,I just look threw the stores ;)

bad joke ,bad joke ,but I just couldn't help my self .