Thank you Kristi

DreaminGirl posted at 2:35PM Tue, 05 July 2016 - #4274648

Thank you Kristi

You're welcome

Not reading all of this.

Trekkie - Yes people still use V4 and M4. My latest products, Child Dial and Height Dial for V4 and M4 are doing very well. In fact, as I start to build the characters for my upcoming graphic novel I expect to be using mainly v4 and m4. I have the largest variety of content for those figures, which when I start looking at populating entire street scenes in a steampunk city, is going to make my life simpler. I made the child dials specifically for my graphic novel, so I could use gen4 clothing on children and not go crazy trying to convert thousands of assets. I have not invested in any other figure bases at the moment.

If you are going to make gen4 stuff again I'm certainly going to look forward to seeing it!

Lyrra Madril CyclopsStudio

Kristi, thank you for stepping in. I have been otherwise occupied this weekend and didn't stay on top of this. I appreciate your help. Let's all keep this forum a constructive place, thank you.

Within Temptation~ Lost

Ya never know if the civil war ended ,we might get are ebots back.

KristiS posted at 7:34PM Tue, 05 July 2016 - #4274645

Male_M3dia posted at 12:21PM Tue, 05 July 2016 - #4274560

tonyvilters posted at 11:53AM Mon, 04 July 2016 - #4274557

Hey wolf?? G3 is for another forum. So sorry, but we work in Poser with Poser figures and Poser content. Thank you.

99.99% of the end users have TONS invested in V4. Those that want to use G3 can freely go to DS (that is also free) And wanna know a secret? LOL. They have their own forms too. LOL.

So why did the admins post this thread in the Poser forum?

https://www.renderosity.com/mod/forumpro?thread_id=2899963

Please don't pick fights that don't need to be picked.

It was posted in the Poser forum because it is a tool to help Poser users.

This is rude to the OP and all others who are trying to ask Poser users if they still use a certain character or anything else they'd like to know and or want advice on. This type of behavior will not be tolerated any longer. Warnings will be issued and bans as well if necessary. This goes for a few people in this thread, not just one person.

A Moderator came in and said to keep it civil and it still became a software war...this is not okay on any level.

People like what they like and should not feel like they are wrong just because they like something different.

I will lock this thread if this keeps on as I think the OP got what they needed.

It is great to see you back my Dear and I'm sorry it turned into this.

Kristi, I hope you pointed this at Vilters and not me as I wasn't the one that was disrupting the thread. It was Vilters once again turning the thread into a software war. I know very well why the utility was posted and it was a rhetorical question. Poser users do have options on what to use, and it's not for any one person to decide for the rest of the users and that's why I posted.. it's a very dead horse that some try to beat.

You're very welcome Boni, no worries as it was a holiday weekend and everyone deserves a break every now and again

Male_M3dia - I was talking to a couple people as this is not the first thread I seen this happen in and enough is enough.

This place is supposed to be a Community which means we are all supposed to support each other and build each other up, not tear each other down and I will not sit by and watch it happen any longer.

I am back in the Community so I can now do something about it.

I am trying to pick things back up and get this Community back on track and would like us to be able ask questions, learn from each other, and enjoy each other no matter which software we use.

After all, that should be why someone wants to be a part of our Community

This thread started by asking if people still used V4, there was no need to start going off on a Daz tangent and I just am not going to tolerate it any longer.

People post to the Daz Studio when they are needing something for Daz, they do not come asking in the Poser forum.

Thank you,

Male_M3dia posted at 6:08PM Wed, 06 July 2016 - #4274610

Suucat posted at 6:18AM Tue, 05 July 2016 - #4274609

KyReb posted at 4:05AM Tue, 05 July 2016 - #4274457

I love V4.. Still use V4. Several things keep me from upgrading.

1. I really despise Daz Studios interface; and am really comfortable with Poser
2. The COSTS involved. Both the amount I have sunk into V4 morphs and accessories and the higher costs for the new stuff.
3. The fact that G3 doesnt work in Poser, Yeah I managed to get it to BE in Poser 11 via the new method without the morphs
4. I have really detailed characters with V4 They dont look like they the V4 characters in the Marketplace which most look indistinguishable from the other. You can look at my characters and they are as recognizable as idividuals. The GENX2 is encouraging though that I could take these characters to the new figure, and NOT have to abandon them for the sake of a new figure.
5. A lack (to my knowledge) of a method to upgrade the best of the V4 clothing items to the newest figure.

All of this, with great emphasis in point 1. I too hate the Daz Studio interface.

As JVRenderer said this is about if you use V4, not about software wars, etc. Some people just can't seem to help themselves. Perhaps these threads need to be locked since they seem to end in fights and really don't serve a real purpose. People want to hate on DAZ3D, but forget V4 IS a DAZ3D product. And although the op has some responses to her question both of her products for V4 failed to make the hot product list (thus probably made no money) so she may want to rethink her position if she's doing this full-time.

Yes, V4 is a DAZ3D product, one that works well in Poser, and that is why i always will use her. Happy?

Very much agree with Suucat. especially comment 1.Every month or so I get enthused about Genesis figures and have a play with them, but always return to V4 and Poser. This is only a hobby for me,and when I try to use Daz Studio it becomes a chore,where as I find using Poser and V4 very enjoyable.

jimros posted at 6:04AM Thu, 07 July 2016 - #4274877

Very much agree with Suucat. especially comment 1.Every month or so I get enthused about Genesis figures and have a play with them, but always return to V4 and Poser. This is only a hobby for me,and when I try to use Daz Studio it becomes a chore,where as I find using Poser and V4 very enjoyable.

KristiS posted at 6:04AM Thu, 07 July 2016 - #4274800

This thread started by asking if people still used V4, there was no need to start going off on a Daz tangent and I just am not going to tolerate it any longer.

People post to the Daz Studio when they are needing something for Daz, they do not come asking in the Poser forum.

Thank you,

And Kristi, THiS has always been your problem, the Poser users making these comments, even when you tell them to stop. But they do this because they know the management and mods will freely let them without recourse and mods will deliberately will pin the blame on a DS user. Please take care of this.

Recap :

• The OP wanted to know who still uses "V4" in a "POSER" tread.

• Simple to read, simple to understand. Correct?

• V4 and POSER.

• Only 2 words to read.

Personally, I always use the native Poser content, and rarely, very rarely use V4/M4 or Miki4 when I have something to test that requires a high poly-count. Mostly that would be a Miki4.

Ok simple terms here for apparently some folks can't get what Kristi is saying.

A personal preference is not someone bashing daz but someone stating that they prefer one software over the other especially after saying they use both softwares.

Apparently coming to rendo makes me see that common sense is still lacking in some people as they can't see the difference between bashing and stating preference

Before daz or poser users start I use BOTH softwares, always have.

I have V4, G1, G2, G3 and honestly people should use what they are comfortable with. The software/people bashing needs to stop, and i'm talking as a member not a member of staff.

I STILL to this day use V4 and Poser pro but I also used V4 and daz

Piper

Amethyst_Heart posted at 2:26PM Thu, 07 July 2016 - #4274939

Ok simple terms here for apparently some folks can't get what Kristi is saying.

A personal preference is not someone bashing daz but someone stating that they prefer one software over the other especially after saying they use both softwares.

Before daz or poser users start I use BOTH softwares, always have.

I have V4, G1, G2, G3 and honestly people should use what they are comfortable with. The software/people bashing needs to stop, and i'm talking as a member not a member of staff.

I STILL to this day use V4 and Poser pro but I also used V4 and daz

Piper

I'm sorry I lost my temper. I'm just so sick of the "my D**K is bigger than yours" back and forth crap. The constant bickering is what's driving people away from this forum. Who cares who uses what? Really? What difference does it make to your life what someone else is using to render in. Sheesh... We really need to get over the software thing.

to MaleMedia: there's no need for you to keep coming in to threads in a forum for a software you hardly use anymore and keep pushing the DS thing. We know you love the software. That's totally cool. We ALL know. You've said enough. Nothing more needs to be said. Some people don't like DS. Also totally cool. I'm sure Daz won't care one way or the other that you constantly defend it. Please stop. Anything more now is just shit-stirring and trolling. You're a vendor. Do like most vendors do and stay out of things. It can only go better for you.

to vilters: we all know you love Poser and don't use DS. There again...totally cool. You don't need to snap at everyone that uses the evil "D" word. There's room for all in this world. What someone else likes and uses does not diminish your opinion of Poser. So don't snap. Please stop.

Enough said.

Laurie

LaurieA posted at 5:22PM Thu, 07 July 2016 - #4274963

I'm sorry I lost my temper. I'm just so sick of the "my D**K is bigger than yours" back and forth crap. The constant bickering is what's driving people away from this forum. Who cares who uses what? Really? What difference does it make to your life what someone else is using to render in. Sheesh... We really need to get over the software thing.

to MaleMedia: there's no need for you to keep coming in to threads in a forum for a software you hardly use anymore and keep pushing the DS thing. We know you love the software. That's totally cool. We ALL know. You've said enough. Nothing more needs to be said. Some people don't like DS. Also totally cool. I'm sure Daz won't care one way or the other that you constantly defend it. Please stop. Anything more now is just shit-stirring and trolling. You're a vendor. Do like most vendors do and stay out of things. It can only go better for you.

to vilters: we all know you love Poser and don't use DS. There again...totally cool. You don't need to snap at everyone that uses the evil "D" word. There's room for all in this world. What someone else likes and uses does not diminish your opinion of Poser. So don't snap. Please stop.

Enough said.

Laurie

+1

LaurieA posted at 6:33PM Thu, 07 July 2016 - #4274963

I'm sorry I lost my temper. I'm just so sick of the "my D**K is bigger than yours" back and forth crap. The constant bickering is what's driving people away from this forum. Who cares who uses what? Really? What difference does it make to your life what someone else is using to render in. Sheesh... We really need to get over the software thing.

to MaleMedia: there's no need for you to keep coming in to threads in a forum for a software you hardly use anymore and keep pushing the DS thing. We know you love the software. That's totally cool. We ALL know. You've said enough. Nothing more needs to be said. Some people don't like DS. Also totally cool. I'm sure Daz won't care one way or the other that you constantly defend it. Please stop. Anything more now is just shit-stirring and trolling. You're a vendor. Do like most vendors do and stay out of things. It can only go better for you.

to vilters: we all know you love Poser and don't use DS. There again...totally cool. You don't need to snap at everyone that uses the evil "D" word. There's room for all in this world. What someone else likes and uses does not diminish your opinion of Poser. So don't snap. Please stop.

Enough said.

Laurie

+2

LaurieA posted at 8:39PM Thu, 07 July 2016 - #4274963

to MaleMedia: there's no need for you to keep coming in to threads in a forum for a software you hardly use anymore and keep pushing the DS thing. We know you love the software. That's totally cool. We ALL know. You've said enough. Nothing more needs to be said. Some people don't like DS. Also totally cool. I'm sure Daz won't care one way or the other that you constantly defend it. Please stop. Anything more now is just shit-stirring and trolling. You're a vendor. Do like most vendors do and stay out of things. It can only go better for you.

Thing is, if you can actually list the posts where I'm pushing DS, you'd be correct. Except there wasn't any such post and there's never been. My post was to people to stop starting app wars with their posts and bring software when there's no need to do it. That's a huge difference. Like I said, other people make the posts but I get blamed. Been going on for years.

Carry on though.

I know why you do it. Thing is, when you do it, it does more harm than good. IGNORE it. You're not going to change anyones mind. Please stop trying. It's the back and forth stuff that really gets people riled up. However, when someone says something not too glowing about the competing software, and everyone just overlooks it and moves on, there seems to be no big deal about it if you've noticed. It's only when you come in wagging your virtual finger in people's virtual faces that things go south. You just can't convince everybody that DS is as great as it is to you (heck, some of us agree and we STILL hate the back and forth). You're better served to not waste your time or energy on it any longer (and so is the forum in general).

Now, back to Queen Vicky 4 ;)

Laurie

@Male_M3dia LaurieA is right sometimes it is better to just let things go.

Someone should make an appearance in the Community Forum and request a 'Queen Vicky 4 Peacemakers' forum of her own, throw M4 in for company and leave the software at the door.

I hardly use Poser these days, but when I do, it's with Roxie.

LaurieA posted at 6:29AM Fri, 08 July 2016 - #4274991

I know why you do it. Thing is, when you do it, it does more harm than good. IGNORE it. You're not going to change anyones mind. Please stop trying. It's the back and forth stuff that really gets people riled up. However, when someone says something not too glowing about the competing software, and everyone just overlooks it and moves on, there seems to be no big deal about it if you've noticed. It's only when you come in wagging your virtual finger in people's virtual faces that things go south. You just can't convince everybody that DS is as great as it is to you (heck, some of us agree and we STILL hate the back and forth). You're better served to not waste your time or energy on it any longer (and so is the forum in general).

Now, back to Queen Vicky 4 ;)

Laurie

Laurie, you did not read one word I said. If you can put one link where I'm trying to convince someone to use DS or anything else you've insinuated, please do otherwise stop spreading misinformation and lies because those posts don't exist. Don't falsely accuse someone of something then say "Let it go". The one that started the mess was a Poser user, and always been. Until you guys realize that and take care of it, it's going to be the same situation whether I post about people not fighting or not.

Now back to V4 and not get into stuff KristiS asked.

"The one that started the mess was a Poser user, and always been. "

Says it all. Every time Todd? No. You accused suucat in this very thread of attacking daz when all they said was they don't like it.

Yes Todd, that was you. No poser user, you. Deny it all you want, you did that with all to see.

You may think we are stupid, but we are not Todd. It is you. Deny it all you want, won't change a thing. You've become the troll you wanted to stop.

I know this, because I became the troll. It's why I stepped away.

Do the same before its too late for you. Please.

Khai-J-Bach posted at 7:58AM Fri, 08 July 2016 - #4275016

"The one that started the mess was a Poser user, and always been. "

Says it all. Every time Todd? No. You accused suucat in this very thread of attacking daz when all they said was they don't like it.

Yes Todd, that was you. No poser user, you. Deny it all you want, you did that with all to see.

You may think we are stupid, but we are not Todd. It is you. Deny it all you want, won't change a thing. You've become the troll you wanted to stop.

I know this, because I became the troll. It's why I stepped away.

Do the same before its too late for you. Please.

+1

We love all our members and all this breaks my heart. Please, Kristi is right. We need to ban together and learn to get along.

Poor dead horse...

Was that really necessary, icprncss2?

3DFineries posted at 3:30PM Fri, 08 July 2016 - #4275023

...We need to ban together and...

LOL is that a Freudian slip?

LoL

But to the topic at hand, yes. I still use V4 & yes I use DS too sometimes. Whatever tool for the job is best is the one I use. Although I'm predominately Poser, I have so much content for V4 that I can use and won't abandoned her for a new shiny toy. I still pick up stuff from Daz, but less often than before. Like that Egyptian mega bundle. I snatched that right up so in that case, Genesis 3 was the right tool for the job. However, I will invest in Project E, even IF she doesn't take V4 clothes or characters but at the moment, I don't have a plan to upgrade to Poser Pro 11. I can & I want to, but I'm trying to build a business and need to save funds up for an upgrade to my modeling programs first.

I gave up on V4/M4 a couple of years ago. Everything I can't live without, from Mil 4, I converted to Genesis 2 and/or Genesis 3 and never looked back.

What bhoins just said. Switched to another figure in DS but said it in a way that wasn't condescending. Very good ;).

Me? I never really took to V4 to begin with. I have a few things but never used her much...I'm from the older, V3 and before crowd. I actually used Aiko 3 more than any other figure. These days I use Genesis 2 or 3, whichever strikes my fancy at the time. :). It is just a hobby after all. I don't have deadlines...hehe. I use both softwares, and happily so.

Laurie

Welcome back.... you have been missed. I still use some of your wonderful add-ons such as that wonderful men's room in all it's seedy glory

Since my fractal designs poser 2 days poser has always been just a staging ground for exporting human figures to other program for rendering.back then it was bryce,later vue. As an animator today I render ALL of my animation in Maxon C4D on my Mac And for years the best ways to get a functional poser/Daz figure into C4D was the Interposer pro plugin which is why I still used DS 2.3 with M4 /V4 for the "aniblock" system ignoring all of the G1 and most the G2 era.

Once I bought a new windows 7 based PC and a seat of Iclone Pro with its direct support for Genesis for animation, I started developing a pipeline of animating Genesis 1-2 figures on the PC with Iclone and DAZ studio 4x aniMate 2 and exporting the MDD data to matching Genesis meshes over in C4D on the Mac

I just love Character animation& VFX

I have no loyalty to Figures,Companies, programs or operating systems it is all about creating the animation I want to create the way I want to create it It is for this reason I am skipping Genesis 3 entirely and sticking with G1-G2 going forward I wont pollute this thread with the technical details why I (And every Daz figure animator I know) wont use G3 for animation but our reasons have been stated repeatedly over in the Daz commons. Curious minds feel free to goggle:"wolf359,genesis 3 animate" without the quotation marks.

As to the original thread topic my answer is NO the mil4 figures , like poser itself ,have been supplanted in my CG work&play

KristiS posted at 1:45PM Sat, 09 July 2016 - #4274645

I will lock this thread if this keeps on as I think the OP got what they needed.

It is great to see you back my Dear and I'm sorry it turned into this.

Heh yeah well... I should have known, really. Still, I DID get what I asked for (and more to boot ) and I've checked in a few times, every time with a big tub of popcorn at hand, ready to watch the show

The Sofware wars will never cease. Not just here, but also for instance in the iPhone/Android world. It amuses me. t's like a religious war where neither party will ever admit that the other party might have a point.

So I'll just continue with Poser and V3/4 (and my Android phone)

Ya but the reruns are getting very boring .I had to look to see ,I have a LG phone and every one laughs when it rings like a phone ,I have my phone ring cause it's a phone. I have yet to see whats funny about that. I don't remember us arguing about rotary phones. but we did argue Chevy or Ford n then came the import's and we argued Chevy n Ford against imports.

OK now back to the endless civil War reruns. Maybe for something new we could argue Poser vs Notepad or some thing any thing new.

I vote that as a Wings3D user, I can bash Blender users.

Kidding....I'm KIDDING!! LOL

Laurie

RorrKonn posted at 10:14AM Tue, 12 July 2016 - #4275195

Ya but the reruns are getting very boring .I had to look to see ,I have a LG phone and every one laughs when it rings like a phone ,I have my phone ring cause it's a phone.

Me too...

Jules53757 posted at 4:08PM Mon, 25 July 2016 - #4269532

I use V4 and also V3 and V2, with subdivision and SSS they look still great.

Welcome back

still use v2 and V4. Too much invested in them to switch and since Poser is still the only app I use they will be there for me for the duration. Not sure what subdivision is and SSS or how to incorporate these functions for V2. I do see that renders of her side by side with V4 figures just looks off. I would like them to look better together or just render better alone. Is there some tutorials somewhere to learn about these adjustments to make V2 look better when needed?

For what it's worth, I still use V4 on occasion, and even V3 for that matter. Heck, on occasion when I need background figures, I even use the lo-rez buisness man/woman and casual man/woman. And i still use Trekkiegrrl props! Love 'em!

shante posted at 1:12AM Tue, 26 July 2016 - #4277309

Jules53757 posted at 4:08PM Mon, 25 July 2016 - #4269532

I use V4 and also V3 and V2, with subdivision and SSS they look still great.

Welcome back

still use v2 and V4. Too much invested in them to switch and since Poser is still the only app I use they will be there for me for the duration. Not sure what subdivision is and SSS or how to incorporate these functions for V2. I do see that renders of her side by side with V4 figures just looks off. I would like them to look better together or just render better alone. Is there some tutorials somewhere to learn about these adjustments to make V2 look better when needed?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=554L6ycWPo8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W07H7xeUnGE

I've got 61GB of various downloads on/in my workstation that I haven't unpacked or sorted into runtimes but I've saved a huge some for my next hardware upgrade binge and I still haven't sorted All my V4 purchases

"Not sure what subdivision is and SSS or how to incorporate these functions for V2. I do see that renders of her side by side with V4 figures just looks off. I would like them to look better together or just render better alone. Is there some tutorials somewhere to learn about these adjustments to make V2 look better when needed?"

The reason your V2 characters look "off" next to Vicky4 is because of the lower mesh resolution of V2 and your are likely using texture maps onV2 that are nearly 15 years old and built for the original poser 4 render engine. Any tutorial that will assist you in making such vestgial figures look better are going to likely involve subdividing your figures(increasing mesh resolution)

And implementing subsurface scattering in the skin maps for more realism and using a physicly based render like the one now in poser 11,or at the very least Global illumination with poser firefly.

All of these solutions will require learning some new tools and techniques if you really want to make your older models look better in renders. Out of curiosity I pulled up the only remaining iteration of V2 that I still own and loaded her into Daz studio.

I draped a free Dynamic V4 dress over her using the $10 "Dyncreator" plugin for DS Sold here in the renderosity store. I added a level of subdivision and I Exported her over to Blender2.7 with the free MCteleblend script for Poser& DS and rendered her in Cycles with a generic SSS shader applied to the original "Asia for V2"skin

I only let the render resolve for about an hour so it is still quite grainy but as you can see Old V2 looks fairly decent with HDRI lighting and some basic SSS.

The old girl looks fairly good for a grandma, Wolf.

More like Great , Great Great ,Grandma in Daz "figure years" LOL Actually was a bit surprised at how good it looked even for a grainy unfinished render . I saved the .blend scene file and I may render out a really hi res version at about 300 samples (nonsquared ) just for curiosities sake overnight.

You did that in Blender? How'd you get her into Blender? Ooopsy, never mind. I could never figure out how to get that script working.

"You did that in Blender? How'd you get her into Blender? Ooopsy, never mind. I could never figure out how to get that script working."

There was a version for poser but it seems to have vanished but probably moot as poser now has its own iteration of cycles. The DS version is pretty easy, for me at least, and blenders PBR is much more forgiving to users who dont have certain high end GPU's

Anyway here is the higher res version of Vicky 2 in cycles.

https://photos.google.com/album/AF1QipNERtQJXhyNYHdGQtkuent5undNVyXBNJY4FJCS/photo/AF1QipNp1sHT-rwtu3E9xaJnrZ9FuBrW01pRlNmnqAL7

I use her. I have so much content for her and although you can convert it, it is just easier to use things that are made for the figure you want to use.

"The one that started the mess was a Poser user, and always been. " --- Not so good to see that some things never change.

V4 is still a great figure, and the artists who have and still supply her with goodies are the best IMO. I've been gone from the hobby for a year or so and when I decided to return I was worried that I would find her support to be gone but she's still deeply rooted in the community, that must mean something, right? I think she deserves some props, for a figure that can be used in multiple platforms with very little work she is the perfect go to girl.

Continue creating for her and I will continue to buy.

Victoria 4 loves you back and thanks you for all the support!

LaurieA posted at 11:38PM Mon, 01 August 2016 - #4275287

I vote that as a Wings3D user, I can bash Blender users.

Kidding....I'm KIDDING!! LOL

Laurie

Yeah, you said it, Laurie. Fuck them Blender users; what do they know? Wings is the absolute bestest software of any kind ever. ;)