Didn't Blender only recently make UDIM a hassle free (well sorta) option? One can hope that this doesn't have something to do with hborre's observation. As in maybe some code wasn't written into cycles yet in the Poser version when it was implemented? Just taking wild guesses. 

I have been seeing odd behavior with Superfly renders incorporating the actual Cycles ImageTexture node, Antonia 1.3 renders black, with no texture applied.  When I switch to the original Poser Image_Map node, everything works as it should,  The only part that renders correctly is her head.  It almost seems like the Cycles Image node is not handling the UV correctly.  I tested V4, no problems.

This also applies to eye movements: Looking right, left, up, down. If the eyelids don't move, it looks very strange.

We could take this opportunity to develop a standard "Look-At". Including a nice prop as a target (at the moment I use a grouping object that I have to search for depending on the scene when I need it - something unique would be better).

I thought I would somehow get around it: I need to change the head texture (mouth part). The way I read the Antonia readme, the texture ("Antonia Polygon") may only be used as-is.

It's really only about the outer edge of the mouth, which needs to be reduced inward a bit. Everything else remains as is, including the creator note.

The alternative would be for me to craft a Python script that the user has to run, which then makes the change in the bitmap and overwrites the original texture on disk. The result is the same: the texture is permanently changed. Only that the accompanying text does not show the author of the texture in a good light, because such a circumstance is necessary.

What should I do?

Has UV Maps changed?  Just wanted to know.

This is the setup that works well with Antonia 1.3, old texture, and ADP001 PrincipledBsdf shader; everything else is my own creation.  The image below it is a Superfly render, nothing abnormal about it.

Now, when I replace the Poser Image_Map node with the Cycles Image_Texture node, the body part renders black.  In this particular example, I only changed the Diffuse map node, not the specular or bump nodes.

Something has changed in the behavior of that particular node and how it interprets Antonia 1.3's mapping, at least, that's what I'm guessing.  This needs to be verified by someone else on a different system before any conclusions can be made.  This is an oddity that doesn't show up in other models.

hborre: have you tried changing the extension to tiled in the ImageTexture node? It didn’t seem to be necessary in my setup, but maybe the combination of Poser and Cycles nodes has funny effects here.

So when does the fun part of this hobby start?

So when does the fun part of this hobby start?

Oops, I had been testing the texture issue with a pre-UDIM Antonia, so of course I didn't see the problem.

Anyway, I'm loading the latest Toni 1.3 and a P12 SuperFly material with ImageTexure nodes, and everything except the face renders black. Then I set "Extension" to "periodic" in all those nodes, and everything renders fine. I think the only problem there is that the default is not periodic for those nodes, whereas in Poser ImageMap nodes, the equivalent "Image_Mapping" setting defaults to "tile."

Here's that ill-advised test render, just in case not everyone is convinced yet that I'm back to fun hobby mode... 

Just made a small Dynamic Nighty for Antonia and wanted to show it to you. I plane to release it as a freebee.

If nothing else comes up, I think I may be doing the official release on the weekend (which starts early here, seeing as I live in Futureland). So, it will go up on github and Antonia's Google site first, then I'll see if I understand how to do a FreeStuff. From what it looks like so far, it will be identical to the second beta, unless I get ambitious and decide to make nicer thumbnails or something like that. Probably not, though.

If nothing else comes up, I think I may be doing the official release on the weekend (which starts early here, seeing as I live in Futureland). So, it will go up on github and Antonia's Google site first, then I'll see if I understand how to do a FreeStuff. From what it looks like so far, it will be identical to the second beta, unless I get ambitious and decide to make nicer thumbnails or something like that. Probably not, though.

odf posted at 6:21 PM Wed, 12 October 2022 - #4446508

If nothing else comes up, I think I may be doing the official release on the weekend (which starts early here, seeing as I live in Futureland). So, it will go up on github and Antonia's Google site first, then I'll see if I understand how to do a FreeStuff. From what it looks like so far, it will be identical to the second beta, unless I get ambitious and decide to make nicer thumbnails or something like that. Probably not, though.

Sounds great. Was a bit worried about more changes.

I made a cute (I think) dress for Toni. Now if only I could make a poserified version that still falls this nicely. 

Main grrrr! on freestuff upload is the thumbnail which must be the exact size they give. Thy shallst not submit images one one pixel less, nor shallst thy seubmit images one pixel more. From there on it is pretty easy.

Main grrrr! on freestuff upload is the thumbnail which must be the exact size they give. Thy shallst not submit images one one pixel less, nor shallst thy seubmit images one pixel more. From there on it is pretty easy.

I made a cute (I think) dress for Toni. Now if only I could make a poserified version that still falls this nicely. 

The Nighty is now available in the freebie section. Included is also an easy simulation script that allows to simply pose Antonia with the Nighty prop added to here in frame 1 and when you click on the EasySimulation Icon it will generate the full simulation and run it without going to the cloth room.

Free Nighty for Antonia 1.3 (renderosity.com)

jroulin posted at 3:36 AM Fri, 14 October 2022 - #4446615

The Nighty is now available in the freebie section. Included is also an easy simulation script that allows to simply pose Antonia with the Nighty prop added to here in frame 1 and when you click on the EasySimulation Icon it will generate the full simulation and run it without going to the cloth room.

Free Nighty for Antonia 1.3 (renderosity.com)

So maybe I can release some dynamic clothes for Antonia, after all.

Ooh, that's neat. That easy simulation script sounds very handy. In the meantime, I've had a little play in the cloth room, as well, and came up with this.

So maybe I can release some dynamic clothes for Antonia, after all.

Did it without the need to change textures (headmorph only, beta)

Download: https://adp.spdns.org/Morph_ADP_001.zip

Poser Screenshot:

Did it without the need to change textures (headmorph only, beta)

Download: https://adp.spdns.org/Morph_ADP_001.zip

Poser Screenshot:

That's lovely.  Many thanks.

@adp001 Works very well on my computer thanks!

May I ask a question? Has Antonia 1.3 been released? If so is there a link? Cheers

The release is happening this weekend.

I am, amid some family obligations, working on an Antonia-centered version of the Prefitter. I have morphs now to convert garments and hair from V4, Genesis and G8 to Antonia. 

Are there any other donor requests? LaFemme maybe? V3 for hair models? 

I am, amid some family obligations, working on an Antonia-centered version of the Prefitter. I have morphs now to convert garments and hair from V4, Genesis and G8 to Antonia. 

Are there any other donor requests? LaFemme maybe? V3 for hair models? 

The release is happening this weekend.

I am, amid some family obligations, working on an Antonia-centered version of the Prefitter. I have morphs now to convert garments and hair from V4, Genesis and G8 to Antonia. 

Are there any other donor requests? LaFemme maybe? V3 for hair models? 

Okay, I've just officially declared the second beta an official release. The Google site and Github releases section are updated, and a FreeStuff submission for Rendo is out. No real need to download anything if you've got the second beta, only the ReadMe file has been updated a little bit (which you can just navigate to and download separately on github).

I'm not posting any new links right now. Anyone who doesn't have the beta either figure them out or wait for the FreeStuff item to be approved.

Time for coffee, and then taxes.

Minor technical note to odf;

I discovered the lacrimal symmetry problem. The problem was not in the 1.3 mesh itself but in how I was applying the falloff center to the proportional editing in this instance. In the example where I was having the problem I was applying the falloff with the eyeballs alone as the center of influence. A very aggressive test scaling. In prior manipulations of this sort I would create face maps for the eyeballs, socket including lacrimals, and utilize the lot together as the total center of influence for the scaling. And apply less aggressive iterations of scaling and falloff with adjustments to the falloff to gradually increase to the final scale. In other words a more careful and gradual working up to a final scale. Applying this method again corrected the slight lacrimal scaling difference in 1.3, and a much better overall result with complete symmetry in left and right results.

Apologies for the false alarm.

Apologies for the false alarm.

So, my FreeStuff submission has been approved overnight (my night) by the Renderosity elves, which means we can consider Antonia 1.3 to be officially released. Yay! By the way, that download does not include the texture map, as I found out the other day that they are already available in FreeStuff from SaintFox.

Made another morph based of the last one.

Need another day to convert all used magnets to morphs, then I will upload it to my site.

Nice morphs, adp001!

Speaking of morphs, here's the morph transfer kit I promised, based on the blank CR2s that primorge kindly provided. I'll be putting it on the Google site and submit to FreeStuff soon, but if anyone would like to give it a whirl in the meantime, let me know how it works for you. As you all know by now, I'm extremely lazy, so the ReadMe is text-only, which I think should be fine. But I wouldn't refuse a donation of a nice PDF ReadMe with screenshots if anyone feels so inclined.

I should inform you that match centers to morph does not work optimally with Antonia 1.3 eyes probably due to the intentional end point misalignment with the centers. It's ok, I can use manually animated origins to cope with this.

Antonia 1.3 has no memorized state apparently. 

She also loads with point at on the eyes active at value 1. No target of course.

These things are just little things that only someone messing with 1.3's rig and internals would notice but they do raise some small complications for certain processes. It's nothing that really would require fixing for the typical Poser user but I'd figured I would point it out.

Additional note;

You didn't delete the local empties in the parented props (Goal Center of Mass) when you spawned full body morph. When you use Spawn Full Body Morph it creates an empty local morph dial across all actors, unless targets directly involved by the master, including parented props. While delete morph works globally to rid of the unnecessary local empties in chosen Actors it does not delete those generated in parented props, as they will not appear in the list, which have to be deleted manually. It's most easy to do this by selecting the 2 center of mass props in the hierarchy and deleting the unnecessary generated parm dials in the palette.

The machine Poser is running on has 64GB RAM, 8 Cores, one M2 and 3 normal SSDs, all 512 GB/1 Terrabyte in size. Isn't that enough?

Thank God I backed up multiple generations and turned on autosave. However, Poser never makes copies of PMD files when autosaving. So not helpful in case of such an error. That's why I create new generations several times per working session. Because of this, I only lost a few hours of work, not all morphs.

I have never trusted Poser - but this?

I have never trusted Poser - but this?

Odf, I downloaded Antonia 1.3 from the Freestuff area and have to say that I am very impressed with the updates to the original figure! I'm also very impressed with the free poses by SaintFox. What I would love to see is a head morph in the near future that allows for proper fitting of V4 hair figures/props, such as the one that Blackhearted created for La Femme so that she could easily wear V4 hair right out of the library. Is anyone willing to undertake that project?

Also, is there a UV body template available in the event others want to create ethnic/racial textures for her? 

Again, I'm impressed and grateful for your very generous contribution to the 3D/Poser community. Keep the great work coming! 

--Anim8dtoon, Renderosity Forum Moderator

I'll chime in with my own complaint.

Match centers to eye scale morphs does not work with Antonia. I've tried every process and variation over the past 2 days that I can come up with. This is something that works with very little or no effort with La Femme and Nova.

So ok. Fine. I'll use manually animated joint centers to force the centers to their proper positions.

After a couple of stupid mistakes on my part I get both centers to match to the morphs manually and work as they should from a 0 to 1 state and back. Great. I go to create an inject and test it on a fresh Antonia 1.3, I apply the injects, the eye centers become stuck in their modified state. So the scaling centers manipulation, though they work through a cr2 state, will not copy properly to an injection.

This leaves me with only 2 options.

Abandon this project or proceed as planned and release my morphs in a cr2 version. Releasing this stuff as a cr2 sabotages the merchant resource part of the plan. While the end user can use the cr2 to create characters there will be no way to share any of the eye scale stuff they use by injection.

Thoughts?

Odf, I downloaded Antonia 1.3 from the Freestuff area and have to say that I am very impressed with the updates to the original figure! I'm also very impressed with the free poses by SaintFox. What I would love to see is a head morph in the near future that allows for proper fitting of V4 hair figures/props, such as the one that Blackhearted created for La Femme so that she could easily wear V4 hair right out of the library. Is anyone willing to undertake that project?

Also, is there a UV body template available in the event others want to create ethnic/racial textures for her? 

Again, I'm impressed and grateful for your very generous contribution to the 3D/Poser community. Keep the great work coming! 

--Anim8dtoon, Renderosity Forum Moderator

Second version of my headmorph: https://adp.spdns.org/Morph_ADP_002.zip

Here's the V4 head shape morph.

1.3_V4SkullShape_INJ zip

Apply the pose and find the dial in the Body in it's own parm group at the bottom. All the morph does is make Antonia 1.3's Skull, Ears, and nape of the Neck match V4's shapes so that hairs will fit without a lot of fussing with the cap shapes and such. It's up to the end user to translate and apply any scaling to the hair for positioning, although not much in the way of scaling will be required as this is pretty much covered by the shaping morph. Antonia is much shorter than V4 and is slightly more forward in the z axis.

Here's  some images with V4's shapes in orange wireframe superimposed with the 1.3 SkullShape morph applied to Antonia,  texture shaded. Demonstrates match between shape topology...

The morph is free to do with as anyone pleases.

Since I didn't get any feedback on the eye scaling stuff I'll take that as a lack of interest and proceed with other projects.

I'm interested in the eye scaling, as I have been having trouble scaling the applying morphs and the eyes don't seem to work with it.  

As for AP1.3, it's very promising, my render by the way.

primorge posted at 7:27 AM Sun, 16 October 2022 - #4446770

I should inform you that match centers to morph does not work optimally with Antonia 1.3 eyes probably due to the intentional end point misalignment with the centers. It's ok, I can use manually animated origins to cope with this.

Antonia 1.3 has no memorized state apparently. 

She also loads with point at on the eyes active at value 1. No target of course.

These things are just little things that only someone messing with 1.3's rig and internals would notice but they do raise some small complications for certain processes. It's nothing that really would require fixing for the typical Poser user but I'd figured I would point it out.

Sorry, I don't know what memorized state means.

Also, is there a UV body template available [...]

There's one for Antonia 1.2 on Faery_Light's Antonia site. This should still work for Antonia 1.3 because the seams have not changed. The templates are also in the original Antonia 1.2 distribution if anyone has that.

If anyone's really keen on the exact templates for 1.3 and does not know their way around Blender etc. to make them, let me know.