hborre posted at 4:36 PM Mon, 24 April 2023 - #4463286

That looks much better.  There is still the issue with occlusion under her feet, I wonder if there is an ambient channel active on the ground.  The catchlights on the figure look right.  Keep in mind, a scene like this is difficult to light because you are expecting two very different light sources to be prominent at the same time.  With a camera view this close to the subject, I would expect the campfire to completely overwhelm the ambient moonlight.  But you are looking for a specific effect in your scene.

Yeah, shadowing looked much more natural when I was using the "real" lights.  There's an active ambient channel on the back of the set for the sky, but that's invisible.

True, the firelight ought to be drowning out the moonlight.  (For the same reason, we get a lot of flat Earthers demanding to know why the stars aren't visible in most space shots.  Not that they want to actually hear the answer; they just want to continue yelling that it's "proof" that space is fake.)

I like Trantuete's image titled "Rusty"; I'd like to be that good some day.

Just for fun pulled out the "old V4 Treasure Hunter" another tryout with Optix, no Postwork like the one above " Same Skin Used " 

In this one, I decided to illustrate a chapter of a story I'm working on. I was able to render 23 figures in this one since most didn't use any textures. It took a half hour to render but that's because I decided to jack up the settings rather than using the denoise. Given how high I had them, I'm happy with the time. The only post work was to use the post effects to make the ruby glow

Really excited to see what improvements Poser will have in the future but for now I'm really happy with the render speed and bloom fx.

@corvas Nice!

V3 with my new skin shader

Really excited to see what improvements Poser will have in the future but for now I'm really happy with the render speed and bloom fx.

Goodbye dear Poser friends and thank you for your attention. Poser 13 has stopped serving me and it's frustrating that things aren't working the way they used to. Poser crashes when using the Clothroom. Poser crashes when subdividing. When morphing, Poser deforms the figures for some unknown reason. OK...

I'll look in sometimes and see what you make so beautiful. Until then...

ghostship2 posted at 11:42 PM Mon, 24 April 2023 - #4463324

V3 with my new skin shader

Right out of the box, No Postworks. But sure would need quiet some overworking, have not tested with firefly to see the difference so just Optix but I guess it would look similar for this kind of older models.

The biggest mistake that has been done in Poser 12, 13 was to remove the Simple Material room option this is a real Desaster making simple things really difficult when Setting up the basic. I had no crashes since I fixed the GPU and Poser could adapt it on the first run. Just that in some cases Firefly renders do look wrong in the window when rendered with ugly borders on the meshes. When saving the render these are gone, might have to do with the changes of the GPU. But at least no more Blue screen on Windows that sure was scary .... 

The removal of the simple material room has been explained numerous times.  Simple Material Room only works on FireFly materials and only with the Poser Surface.  Make a hybrid material and it will fail.  But not in a way that a newbie is going to understand.  So, you could leave in something that is broken and will cause more and more problems or replace it with something that will actually work.  At some point people are going to have to use the material room so might as well start them off with the room that will work with both render systems.

There was a discussion of some problems with Project Evolution, and I think someone mentioned that PE has some sort of Superfly issues.

I stumbled across this; maybe it will help with the Superfly issues:  https://www.renderosity.com/freestuff/items/87327/project-evoluton-goes-poser-12

I have looked at the Superfly Material shaders of Project Evolution and she does have shaders that are not correctly set up.  Remember, she was conceived during the time when PBR materials in Poser were in their infancy and it was not understood how nodes needed to be set up.  Just by looking in the Material Room, I can spot the problems and easily correct them.

Was a little test for the shadow catcher with Superfly Optix on a background, so might as well place it in this thread also ..... To bad that my last one got removed but guess it was a little to Dramatic for these forums :) (No Postwork )

That's a really dynamic render.  That dragon's "lit" areas are really cool! 

Shining new light on the Botanical Gardens.

There is a figure almost in the middle close to the entrance doors of the large enclosure.

The figure is the Dawn SE based figure that I use and, even though the figure is smaller than the full sized Dawn SE at 92%, it still gives an indication of the size of this building.  

What a beautiful place!

wow, that is huge. I had to view it at full size to see her.

Thanks for the great tip Thalek. Everything is going great and most problems are solved. No more deformations and I'm slowly getting used to P13.

Thank you ghostship2 for the inspiration. I like my new skin shader better than the old one.

P13

P13

Great 

Thanks for the great tip Thalek. Everything is going great and most problems are solved. No more deformations and I'm slowly getting used to P13.

Thank you ghostship2 for the inspiration. I like my new skin shader better than the old one.

And the winner is...

Thanks for the great tip Thalek. Everything is going great and most problems are solved. No more deformations and I'm slowly getting used to P13.

Thank you ghostship2 for the inspiration. I like my new skin shader better than the old one.

V3 with my new skin shader

You will find it here in this thread:

https://www.renderosity.com/forums/threads/2978516/cycles-based-sss-skin-shader

Thalek posted at 7:09 PM Thu, 27 April 2023 - #4463603

Because of your tip I had to deal more intensively with the settings. Among other things, the settings in the Morph tool. Without your tip it might have taken me months to find the error.
That damn button was inactive in poser 13... grunt.

Trantuete posted at 3:29 PM Thu, 27 April 2023 - #4463580

Thanks for the great tip Thalek. Everything is going great and most problems are solved. No more deformations and I'm slowly getting used to P13.

Thank you ghostship2 for the inspiration. I like my new skin shader better than the old one.

I'm glad I was able to help a little. I didn't know if it would help for deformations, but I figured that the shaders would at least work better.

You will find it here in this thread:

https://www.renderosity.com/forums/threads/2978516/cycles-based-sss-skin-shader

The Neglige I was working on is almost finished.
Since I recived a comment on the former post in regard to this clothing item, in which the commentor advised me to be more cautious with revealing to much skin in certain areas of the female body, I worked on it to have more coverage.
Let me know your thoughts on this...

Trantuete posted at 2:10 AM Fri, 28 April 2023 - #4463624

Because of your tip I had to deal more intensively with the settings. Among other things, the settings in the Morph tool. Without your tip it might have taken me months to find the error.
That damn button was inactive in poser 13... grunt.

Trantuete posted at 3:29 PM Thu, 27 April 2023 - #4463580

Thanks for the great tip Thalek. Everything is going great and most problems are solved. No more deformations and I'm slowly getting used to P13.

Thank you ghostship2 for the inspiration. I like my new skin shader better than the old one.

I'm glad I was able to help a little. I didn't know if it would help for deformations, but I figured that the shaders would at least work better.

I've had that happen a few times, too:  someone gave me a wrong answer that none the less pointed me in the right direction.  That's almost as good as getting the right answer, as far as I'm concerned.  [grin]

Trying to get materials correct for Superfly optix, and I have to say it sure is a big hassle ! Spending allot of time setting it up .... I really miss that Simple material room to make the basic setup ! Trans Maps, glowing maps, Bump maps .. everything needs to be placed step by step manually searching nodes through a load of options ! 

Superfly tedious work still building it up

Firefly fast work 

at the end the larger difference is the time spend for getting it right but both engines give very similar results, only difference in these renders are caused from the light, so wondering if it is really worth spending so much time making setups for Superfly if you can get the same in firefly in no mentionable time. 

Unless you are really meticulous about having all your material respond realistically, stick with Firefly rendering.  However, with the PhysicalSurface node used in Superfly, you have a simpler approach to achieving realistic renders rather than faking most of your shaders.  Accept the fact that the Simple Material Room does not support Superfly setups and that it is not coming back.  There is no point whining about a feature that has limitations in constructing complex material shaders.  

I keep asking them to make a new Simple Material tab - one that connects to PhysicalSurface instead. Most of the features in PhysicalSurface root work in both renderers anyway, and it would be just a matter of it plugging the things to each thing. Would be helpful for newbies...

Trantuete is dead... (at least the name). I hope you get used to my new one. It's actually not new, I've had it for about 30 years. Trantuete was more of a quick shot at Renderosity.

And yes hborre you are absolutely right.

Nice render!!!

Trying to get materials correct for Superfly optix, and I have to say it sure is a big hassle ! Spending allot of time setting it up .... I really miss that Simple material room to make the basic setup ! Trans Maps, glowing maps, Bump maps .. everything needs to be placed step by step manually searching nodes through a load of options ! 

Superfly tedious work still building it up

Firefly fast work 

at the end the larger difference is the time spend for getting it right but both engines give very similar results, only difference in these renders are caused from the light, so wondering if it is really worth spending so much time making setups for Superfly if you can get the same in firefly in no mentionable time. 

Not sure the renders prove much, certainly it is possible to select textures that will look similar in both render engines but, it is also possible to pick textures that would be vastly different such as liquids, gems and other such surfaces.  Question is why would you bother, if you like the look of Firefly than use Firefly, if you like the look of Superfly then use that but, for me at least, trying to prove one is better than the other seems a little pointless to me.

Superfly, no Poser lights just emissive surfaces.

Only lights from the surfaces...

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Rufus ???

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@ JanusJsenwark  

These effects with lights look great , Also your glass effects are very special.

@ hornet3d 

It is less a comparison as it would be nice using Superfly on more assets ending up with good results, The point is rather that the setup of materials is a big hassle in Poser13. Even Blender gives an option to set up textures in a fast way for at least have a basic view on how your model will look like when Textured . The way it is set up now it is allot of work for both Firefly and superfly setting up textures for basic view.

I had to go to Poser 11 to make a mat file that I can load in poser13 just to get the basic texture load in a fast way. I might just do something wrong that it is taking longer then in Poser 11 or have overseen something for a fast load when you have a load of material regions that you have to build up from scratch. If your model already loads with all textures, no Problem to change the stuff as you are able to see already, but if having a Blank model then sure would be great having a option loading textures in a simple way for a start. Well for now just will keep using Poser 11 for this option.

Your Environments look great but just imagine they come without textures and you have to set up each one manually in P13 it would take you weeks , it looks more like that you just adapt some of the many material regions for your Superfly render. 

@ JanusJsenwark  

These effects with lights look great , Also your glass effects are very special.

@ hornet3d 

It is less a comparison as it would be nice using Superfly on more assets ending up with good results, The point is rather that the setup of materials is a big hassle in Poser13. Even Blender gives an option to set up textures in a fast way for at least have a basic view on how your model will look like when Textured . The way it is set up now it is allot of work for both Firefly and superfly setting up textures for basic view.

Does this sound like a job for one of our Python gurus?

Already done. 

https://www.renderosity.com/marketplace/products/157575/go-physical-for-poser-12

It works in Poser 13 also.

Gave it a shot with no lights converting the Environment lights to light up the room . Somehow Poser spit out 2 render versions when saved that was strange !

@ JanusJsenwark  

These effects with lights look great , Also your glass effects are very special.

@ hornet3d 

It is less a comparison as it would be nice using Superfly on more assets ending up with good results, The point is rather that the setup of materials is a big hassle in Poser13. Even Blender gives an option to set up textures in a fast way for at least have a basic view on how your model will look like when Textured . The way it is set up now it is allot of work for both Firefly and superfly setting up textures for basic view.

I had to go to Poser 11 to make a mat file that I can load in poser13 just to get the basic texture load in a fast way. I might just do something wrong that it is taking longer then in Poser 11 or have overseen something for a fast load when you have a load of material regions that you have to build up from scratch. If your model already loads with all textures, no Problem to change the stuff as you are able to see already, but if having a Blank model then sure would be great having a option loading textures in a simple way for a start. Well for now just will keep using Poser 11 for this option.

Your Environments look great but just imagine they come without textures and you have to set up each one manually in P13 it would take you weeks , it looks more like that you just adapt some of the many material regions for your Superfly render. 

Most of my renders in this thread come without the textures being complete or even compatible with Superfly, for example in the last render the Scanner units are exported from Blender files via Wavefront and imported into Poser.  Although there is a basic texture structure is there virtually none of the image maps are connected so they are built for each texture and then saved for other items from the same kit.

The building itself is a sci-fi hanger which, by default renders as a vast aluminium which is the only texture with blown out reflections in Superfly.  In this case I used the script that hborre pointed to https://www.renderosity.com/marketplace/products/157575/go-physical-for-poser-12 and then built from there, about an hours work tops.  Another method would be to use commercial textures from the likes of Vince Bagna or Ghostship to create your own material set for any given content.

One last point to remember is the more you play with Superfly the easier it becomes.  Over four days last week I imported twenty eight buildings from the Blender based kit and in the end I had not only the buildings but also 67 textures that can be used on more imports or on converting Firefly content to Superfly with just a few clicks of the mouse.

Gave it a shot with no lights converting the Environment lights to light up the room . Somehow Poser spit out 2 render versions when saved that was strange !

 

Gave it a shot with no lights converting the Environment lights to light up the room . Somehow Poser spit out 2 render versions when saved that was strange !

 

ohh ok Tank you somehow had that Hook on Post effects to Render that must be the reason why I got a original and a normal render after saving . Have to get used to all this, so I can figure out if it is worth adding Superfly options into my releases or not.  

I normally render without the Post FX and afterward, apply it as needed.  It's great that I can dial back the amount of denoising to retain texture detail.  My favorite settings are Exposure and Contrast.