Hi AmbientShade.  Why don't you make a correct morph set if you have a store here.  I'm sure many would love to have all the little fixes your suggesting.  There are a few published artists that do that for the Genesis figures so your more than welcome to go that route.  Thanks for the nice examples! 

LF2 works in P11, 12, and 13. No idea what version of Poser you have, but she works and is available for all 3.

LaFemme2 Lite is in the purchases tab for download on all three recent versions of Poser.

It would be far better for you to try her than explain all of it, but again, I don't know what version of Poser you have.....

The only thing that doesn't work in your list, are morphs. The topology is different. 

There are differences in the way textures have to be set up to use LF1 eyes, lashes and brows on LF2, but you can get them to work with shader offsets and masks. The skin uv's (body, limbs, and torso) are identical.

Conforming clothing (which you didn't mention) has to be converted, and the Pro version comes with things to help with that as well.

If you don't have P11 or up, none of this really matters thou. I doubt she will work in older versions anyway.

I hope this helps.

Thanks AmbientShade, those are valid points and exactly what's needed to start a dialog, imo. You pointed out the arm and leg issues where some stuff was fixed compared to LF1 ( looking at shoulder and feet) but it probably brought new challenges... :)

Thank you for the comments. I have Poser 12 here at Renderosity. I am downloading LF2 now! :)

3Dream, if you have Poser 12 you should be set. LF2 comes with scripts (in the materials folder) that will convert LF1 eye and brow textures to LF2. The scripts don't work in Poser 11, but they do work in Poser 12 (and 13).

Though the RMP says you need the Pro version for the morph packs, Ohki (who made the morphs) said they'll work with the Lite version.

LF2 also comes with a LF1 morph and pose, that changes her shape and pose to LF1's, so you can use LF1's dynamic clothing on her.

Thanks a lot randym77.

I am glad that LF2 is compatible with LF1 in almost everything.

Rhia474 posted at 3:50 PM Thu, 28 September 2023 - #4475473

papillon68 posted at 5:34 PM Wed, 27 September 2023 - #4475417

My personal opinion is that she looks really really bad. Wrong proportions, inaccurate anatomy, lack of details and silly expressions. It could have been done much better.

It would help if you have some details on what you list.

'Wrong proportions'-- which part?

'Inaccurate anatomy'-- such as?

Trying to engage in some constructive discussion if people are willing.

At the risk of being accused of an "agenda" again (whatever)...

The two areas that stand out to me the most are the arms and the legs.

Brachioradialis inserts above the elbow and between the bicep and tricep, but on LF2 it just sort of floats below the elbow, making the bicep appear longer than the forearm and giving a more toonish look overall. It seems the geometry was modified to support this (as opposed to LF1's straight rows of geometry) but then wasn't actually used.

So I made a corrective morph in zbrush to get closer to what it should look like:

This could be implemented via JCM correctives, but if it had been built into the base shape then that wouldn't be necessary.

Same with the legs. The inner arc of the gastrocnemius (calf muscle) is lower and more pronounced generally when viewed from the front, while the outer is higher and smoother, ending right by or just above the knee. LF2 essentially reverses this, and leaves the outer arc of the gastrocnemius as a sort of lump while the inner arc is virtually nonexistent.

So again I did some corrective morphs to demonstrate what it should look like (a bit more pronounced than necessary just to show the differences):

Again, this could be implemented with JCMs but shouldn't have needed to be, especially with the focus on reducing the need for JCMs.

There are a few other points that could have used attention in the base shape (hip to shoulder ratio, width/depth of ribcage) but these are what stand out the most to me.

I was going to point them out back when LF2 was first shown but by then it was too late in development to be changed. And I haven't had much time to pay much attention to the goings-on in poserdom due to RL issues lately.

I can appreciate that her creator(s) are attempting to offer a different figure from the standard 20-something Barbie-esque white girl for Poser who only eats once every full moon, it should still reflect more accurate human anatomy. These details may not seem like much to a lot of folks, especially on their own, but combined they stand out to the more critical users who want more realism in their dolls.

There are thousands of anatomy references online that are just a google search away, it's a shame that more character artists in Poser don't utilize them and instead go by what they think looks right in their minds eye. Just search any body part like "arm anatomy" and you can scroll through the results for days, learn the names of all the muscles, how they interact with other muscles and stretch or contract during movement, etc. There are even free courses on youtube for both medical students and artists. It's also a shame that any criticism is viewed with contempt instead of used to improve our skills as artists.

Overall she seems to be an improvement over LF1. There is more topological detail to support better anatomy, so that's a plus for those who don't mind doing their own morphs. Her face is cuter than LF1 (in my opinion), so that's also a plus.

On that note, I've seen so many people try to define "more accurate human anatomy" in these forums lately, with SEVERELY different reference pictures - that's because human anatomy can be severely varied ;) LF2 was made using real human references, you can all be sure of that. They're just not the same real humans you people are referring to.

I've seen a couple people say her legs aren't human. She's got my real legs' shape. Last time I checked, I was human. LOL

(Forgot to say, though: Those are beautiful morphs, I love them, and I agree that more people might like them and want to buy a set of those ;D)

I'd like to point out that not long after the original LF Pro came out, Blackhearted made a freebie morph that enabled users to fit V4 hair figures and props to her head. Does LF 2/LF2 Pro have a morph for V4 and other legacy hair? Or would one need to be created? I've got so many older hair props and figures I'd like to use with LF 2 without a ton of effort.

AmbientShade posted at 9:09 AM Fri, 29 September 2023 - #4475514

Rhia474 posted at 3:50 PM Thu, 28 September 2023 - #4475473

papillon68 posted at 5:34 PM Wed, 27 September 2023 - #4475417

My personal opinion is that she looks really really bad. Wrong proportions, inaccurate anatomy, lack of details and silly expressions. It could have been done much better.

It would help if you have some details on what you list.

'Wrong proportions'-- which part?

'Inaccurate anatomy'-- such as?

Trying to engage in some constructive discussion if people are willing.

At the risk of being accused of an "agenda" again (whatever)...

The two areas that stand out to me the most are the arms and the legs.

Brachioradialis inserts above the elbow and between the bicep and tricep, but on LF2 it just sort of floats below the elbow, making the bicep appear longer than the forearm and giving a more toonish look overall. It seems the geometry was modified to support this (as opposed to LF1's straight rows of geometry) but then wasn't actually used.

So I made a corrective morph in zbrush to get closer to what it should look like:

This could be implemented via JCM correctives, but if it had been built into the base shape then that wouldn't be necessary.

Same with the legs. The inner arc of the gastrocnemius (calf muscle) is lower and more pronounced generally when viewed from the front, while the outer is higher and smoother, ending right by or just above the knee. LF2 essentially reverses this, and leaves the outer arc of the gastrocnemius as a sort of lump while the inner arc is virtually nonexistent.

So again I did some corrective morphs to demonstrate what it should look like (a bit more pronounced than necessary just to show the differences):

Again, this could be implemented with JCMs but shouldn't have needed to be, especially with the focus on reducing the need for JCMs.

There are a few other points that could have used attention in the base shape (hip to shoulder ratio, width/depth of ribcage) but these are what stand out the most to me.

I was going to point them out back when LF2 was first shown but by then it was too late in development to be changed. And I haven't had much time to pay much attention to the goings-on in poserdom due to RL issues lately.

I can appreciate that her creator(s) are attempting to offer a different figure from the standard 20-something Barbie-esque white girl for Poser who only eats once every full moon, it should still reflect more accurate human anatomy. These details may not seem like much to a lot of folks, especially on their own, but combined they stand out to the more critical users who want more realism in their dolls.

There are thousands of anatomy references online that are just a google search away, it's a shame that more character artists in Poser don't utilize them and instead go by what they think looks right in their minds eye. Just search any body part like "arm anatomy" and you can scroll through the results for days, learn the names of all the muscles, how they interact with other muscles and stretch or contract during movement, etc. There are even free courses on youtube for both medical students and artists. It's also a shame that any criticism is viewed with contempt instead of used to improve our skills as artists.

Overall she seems to be an improvement over LF1. There is more topological detail to support better anatomy, so that's a plus for those who don't mind doing their own morphs. Her face is cuter than LF1 (in my opinion), so that's also a plus.

I think constructive criticism is always good. 

Apropo DAZ Studio..sry for Skin..i am not a Skin adjuster. Only wanna show that it is possible in seconds to let her pose in Daz Studio

Clothes by me, Hair by Afrodite-Ohki and LaFe2 Premiere Pumps..a Blackhearted Pose with adjustment.

Install your ruuntimes under Poser Formats in Daz. Load her..go to figure ..rigging..convert figure to weightmapping..do this

Load conforming clothes and pose..adjust maybe some handposes...holla...all fine

LaFemme2 in her Basics and DazStudio :)

Just for funsies, I took the liberty to render LaFemme 2 and Antonia Polygon together, with LF2 scaled to 94 percent to make them the same height.

The most obvious difference to me is that while AP's figure is rather boyish (her creator may have a type - I'm just guessing here), LF2 has more typically feminine features, with her shorter legs, narrower shoulders, ampler bosom, and generally softer, rounder shapes. There's one glaring exception, though: her hips are really, really narrow. In terms of overall proportions, I would probably change three things: widen the hips considerably, enlarge her tiny head and shorten the neck (counts as one), and make her feet and ankles a tad larger. Not necessarily as large as Antonia's, mind you, who has been accused of having cankles, but maybe the two ladies could meet somewhere in the middle.

Simply playing with Wind force and my Dynamic Summer Set for LaFemme2

Here's my humble attempt at "fixing" the little things that bothered me about LF2's base shape. Original on the left, my version on the right.

I ended up scaling the head and feet to 105 percent and widening the hips with a magnet. This took only a few minutes, and the result looks really pleasing to me. If morphing her face is as easy, and I have no reason to believe otherwise, I'm a happy camper.

And that's the entire purpose - as a base, my priority was making her so that she would be easier to morph and bend into each person's preference :D I'm glad to see it seems to be working well enough.

It's really fun to see what everyone can change her into!

I have been able to get any shape I want out of LF2 so far.

This product has been updated for La Femme 2:

https://www.renderosity.com/marketplace/products/141839/la-femme-2-la-femme-lhomme-master-skin-resource-1

This product has been updated for La Femme 2:

https://www.renderosity.com/marketplace/products/141987/la-femme-2-la-femme-lhomme-master-skin-resource-2

I like it! I spent the weekend making head morphs in hexagon and diddling with the texture.  Haven't fooled with the body yet. The jaw's not 

difficult to work with like LF 1, and its very malleable. It reminds me of Miki 1 or A3, two of my favorites, but I don't see it outstripping V4 or Sasha 16 unless people

really get on board and do amazing things with it. Love that everything in the base set is merchant resource, that should help a lot.

She bends pretty well, though her limbs can look a little odd in extreme poses. (Normal, IME.)

I'm impressed with how well that tank top held up. There would be poke through in a lot of conforming items.

This product has been updated for La Femme 2:

https://www.renderosity.com/marketplace/products/142133/la-femme-2-la-femme-lhomme-master-skin-resource-3

This product has been updated for La Femme 2:

https://www.renderosity.com/marketplace/products/142133/la-femme-2-la-femme-lhomme-master-skin-resource-3

On my wishlist now..Thanks for updating :)

Yes, thank you for the updates 3Dream!  So nice!  

This product helps create face textures with makeup for La Femme 2! :)

https://www.renderosity.com/marketplace/products/141547/la-femme-master-make-up-resource

We are so fortunate to have 3Dream making merchant resources for La Femme2 (as well as L'Homme and La Femme 1).  His other MR's are just as high quality.  Check out his store, you won't be disappointed!

Thank you very much for the nice words about my work! I always try to do the best I can when creating the products I make.

La Femme 2
My first impressions when we met were more positive than I expected.

First all positive impressions...
Fantastic implementation of the feet. They are the best thing I have ever seen.
It's great how you can adjust very natural-looking movements, I'm totally thrilled even though I'm not a foot fetishist...
The eyes, really great.
The whole rig worked out well to very well. Even if morphing changes have been made to the joint areas, everything can still be moved well and presentably.
The face and neck are also very well done, look good and suggest many possibilities.

And what I didn't like:
The marginal features of this figure!
For your money you get a merciless basic figure, nothing more and nothing less.
No body details such as ribs, muscles or tendons can be highlighted with this basic package.
The skin shader is also delivered in a rather lean version. The basic settings of the shader are hardly usable. After a few corrections and removing the SSS map, which in my opinion was completely unnecessary, LaFemme2 looked a little better after rendering.
Here the intention quickly becomes clear that you should buy these things later. Understandable...!

You can't even begin to compare them with Project Evolution One and its hundreds of setting options that go down to the smallest detail and the massively superior skin shaders.
After bending, LaFemme2's knees and elbows remind me of buckled foam insulation tubes. However, with careful morphing you can almost completely eliminate this.
It takes a few hours of work to regulate what I consider to be unnatural body shapes.
With excessive morphing, the basemesh tends to form spikes or smaller deformations. But other characters also have this problem.

The back two figures are originals. The two in front and the one at the front are roughly edited figures by me with my skin shader settings.

Yep; remember when V4 came out the first time? How what you got was this thing wearing the purple bathing suit and you had to buy all the morph packages and skin shaders and everything for her?" Same idea here, I bet. Except you actually get an useable figure in both the free version and the standalone without the morph packages.

I think I love her...!?!

Yep; remember when V4 came out the first time? How what you got was this thing wearing the purple bathing suit and you had to buy all the morph packages and skin shaders and everything for her?" Same idea here, I bet. Except you actually get an useable figure in both the free version and the standalone without the morph packages.

I think I love her...!?!

Investing in a new figure is always going to prove costly but separate morph packages does allow purchasers to buy when the finances allow rather than having to save up the high price of a new figure package including loads of products.

I think LaFemme2 has a lot of potential. It is a lot better than its predecessor. I wish her all the best on her journey through the GPU's.

With SSSMap...

And without SSSMap...

....and other settings!

Nice renders.

And I see what you mean about the feet. You could probably sell those images on OnlyFans. ;-)

The "other settings"

As the saying goes?

The horse is saddled from the other side.

On the Minako Face, the areas around the eyes become too thin and then the shader burns through the layers.

Domestic violence??? No...

A little makeup and all is right with the world again!

randym77 posted at 11:33 PM Tue, 3 October 2023 - #4475790

Nice renders.

And I see what you mean about the feet. You could probably sell those images on OnlyFans. ;-)

I LOOOOOVE THIS FEEEEEET. The best on this planet...

Rhia474 posted at 5:36 PM Tue, 3 October 2023 - #4475769

Yep; remember when V4 came out the first time? How what you got was this thing wearing the purple bathing suit and you had to buy all the morph packages and skin shaders and everything for her?" Same idea here, I bet. Except you actually get an useable figure in both the free version and the standalone without the morph packages.

I have to be careful so Ohki doesn't get mad again!

VERY nice Charly!  Yes, sometimes the SSS maps are completely unnecessary.  The comparison renders of the feets shows this.  I like the one better without the SSS map for sure.  

I think I'm actually becoming a foot fetishist... :)