Ive been lurking around here these past days, and I must admit Im surprised and disappointed by your reactions. What's going on? So this is how it goes uh? You read a crappy review in a crappy magazine and that's it, Vues a piece of sh**! Peace! Anahita

Who said that? I love Vue d'Esprit 4.

Whoah Mark, I don't think that Anahita was calling Vue a piece of sh*t, but rather stating that it appears as though WE have been. Probably in reference to the 3D World Magazine review of the Mac version of Vue, below, and our comments about it.

Actually Mark, you misunderstood me.
I do own Vue 4 (since version 2) and I absolutely love it.
It is a fantastic package and I was just mad to read that people who up until now only swore by it all of a sudden have changed their mind just because one person talked about a not so good review in 3D World...
That's all.
And you're right I don't post my images and I suppose I should but I'm really really shy (that's why you've never heard of me). Plus, I'm putting up a children's book and so I'd really like for all my images not to be seen before the book prints, if it ever does...

Peace. A.

this forum is getting really strange... :(

Mark : you should read more carefully before being agressive.

Anahita : I think the comments we made were quite fair and honnest. There was nothing about the "quality" of VUE but only reactions concerning the "incomplete" MAC version and the troubles with the updates.
Did anyone say that "vue is a piece of ..." ?

Eric

I don't know who said that, and don't really care, but I love Vue and everyone I know that has it loves it too. Sharen

OOOPPPPSSSSS!!! My mistake - Shame On Me . . . :^( I offer my apology to Anahita for misunderstanding his post as I did. It's still early here & I was only half awake - but after your correction, I think I'm 100% awake now. Heheheh. Thanks for setting me straight MikeJ & you have a good one my friend . . . Mark. . . ;^)

hehe! :)

I can only speak for myself, but my comments within the "review" thread where made whilst comparing Vue with a number of other softwares I work with. Since the release of the Windows version 4 I would have to give it 3/5 for reliability I'm afraid...some would probably give it less than that! I still love Vue, Anahita :) I'm very proud in the fact that E-on have felt that my images are good enough to be used in advertising; what more of an accolade could one ask for? However, seeing the unreliability and bad reviews, has made me sick to my stomach and depressed...it's like seeing a best friend suffer a terrible injury. The worst we can do is ignore the problems and say nothing (because there are problems, even if you do not wish to see them). Would you just let your best friend bleed to death? Without constructive criticism you cannot grow, develop, improve and gauge yourself against the standards that you have set for yourself. I agree with Varian, E-on will learn from these criticisms and Vue will be a better product for it...if they don't learn, then they will fade away like many others. I will continue to support Vue, and show people what it can be capable of, through my website, forums and in print...even if I do find it harder to work with in this version. Martin (A proud, but concerned Vue user.)

I don't know of anyone who's changed their mind about Vue due to the 3DWorld review. I've been using Vue since v.2, and I'm still using it and enjoying it. But that doesn't mean I have to be blind to the problems v.4 has, on both the Win and Mac ends. I'm very much looking forward to E-on getting all the bugs worked out on this version. :)

Well, I'll be honest.. other than an occasional crash, in which I really don't lose much cause I'm a save freak, I haven't had any problems with Vue... Maybe I just don't use the functions that are problematic, but Vue has been fine by me... Then again, I'm still using 4.02...

Paul, I have to say that 4.05-02 is the most stable so far. It has a couple of mildly annoying bugs, but I have had 0 crashes with it so far. As I've also said before, the volumetric lights seem better too. :) Win 98SE, that is... Why not try it? I assure you that copying the "Back" folder contents into the main directory sets everything back the way it was prior to upgrading, although I recommend making a backup of the "Back" folder before running any new patches. Then again, like you say, if it ain't broke, don't fix it...

heyas; nope, the 3d mag review thing ain't had no influence on me. i love vue, and i think e-on are great. and i think vue 4 sucks. i mean, it COULD be good, but just so much garbage is going on with it, it's really very sad. :/ i was doing good with it, too, until recently. THAT made me very annoyed with it. but still, i have hope it will all be straightened out.... or at least a bit better.

When I hear good news stories from everybody re: 4.05, I might consider it... Till then, I'll just whistling a happy song with Vue... Right now i"m plotting and planning my picture for the next challenge... :)

Anahita, I posted with a personal opinion based on my experience with Vue in that thread. I will stand by it. E-on's patches are substandard, there could be many factors for it. The fact remains that they are using this member base (user group) as beta testers for their patches. Go through and search the forum and look at how many of us have lost time, and work by applying patches that were unfit for release. I recently lost my entire OS due to patch testing for e-on so we (as a usser base) could have the BUM issue solved. It cost me almost 3 hundred dollars to get my pc repaired.....they needed to reformat and reinstall both of my Operating systems (I dual boot). Doing this meant I lost everything....not one thing was saved. I have to redownload all of my own pics if I want a copy of them! Not to mention everything else I have lost. I will add at this point, that I am the one who PAID the repair bill.....not E-on!!! When I informed Steve Bell of the problem, his response was that E-on was not responsible for my pc problems. With this attitude in mind, the experiences I have shared with many of my fellow vue users, my statement stands fast. Vue is still my program of choice, but E-on definitely needs to work harder to solve this bullshit!

Although I'm very grateful for your efforts Sacred, as the BUM import does finally work for me now for the first time, I must just point out that it is a bit unfair to totally blame E-on for the loss of all your work. The backing up of your own work should be routine anyway, but mandatory when beta testing. Obviously if there is a risk that a patch is damaging to the OS, then E-on needs to look at it and not brush it aside if that is the case. On this point I can totally understand you frustration Sacred. I still stand by the fact though that the responsibility to back up work falls solely on the user. If backup is carried out properly, then no one should ever permanently lose work. Martin

Martin..If u remember early on.....i actually agreed to test the patch under windows 98. I dual boot, and I wanted to keep the win2k partition safe, so that I would NOT lose anything. Right from the first test, 98 had no problems......it was steve's strong insistence that made the testing go to win2k. Add to that the fact that he also insisted that I install the 4.05 beta 1 patch that everyone was having such problems with.....I told him I did not want to touch that patch under any circumstances......at the very beginning, and at the time we switched to w2k for the rest of the tests. He said that the BUM patch was all I would be working on, and that it NEEDED that patch. Reluctantly I agreed.....this constant testing took place over a period of 6 - 8 consecutive hrs... The last amendment he sent me totally screwed everything in vue......however, suddenly vue (under 2k) could read BUM files. He knew I couldnt edit, drop things, change materials, import...nothing.....he knew it was crashing...all he said was Good...we are getting closer. Might have been good for him......but not for me. There was no chance of backing anything up. So I am sorry...but I DO blame him for having lost everything, and for having to pay almost $300 to get my system repaired. I also very much RESENT the fact that upon hearing the results of his last patch.....he claimed that my computer problems were not the responsibility of E-on. He can take his attitude and shove it where the sun doesnt shine. My PC was fine before the tests.....and he knew I didnt want to test on the 2k partition....he knew it was causing massive problems......and he didnt give a flying continental at that time, nor at any time later. He didnt pay for the repair costs...I did. I resent this and everything else more than u can imagine Martin..... Since my health deterioratedand my surgery last year, I have not worked, and my income is limited to a pension.....that money was not easy to come by...and I will be feeling its loss for months to come!

I dont believe some of you people!!!!! I had the distinct displeasure of listening to rosey by phone and via ICQ about the total lack of support for the problems this patch caused her. She got of her arse to try and help the Vue users while alot of you just bitch and complain. Yes, she made a mistake in not backing up, dont have to be a genius to know that. Yes, it cost her alot of money and time to try and help not only the Vue users, but the company that owns Vue. What does she get back? A total lack of support from E-on and some condescending bullshit from some of the users. Wake up people!!!!!! While you hang on to this head in the sand/high and mighty attitude, the software companies are gonna keep serving up the same stuff and wiping you off when a problem occurs.

Considering that it worked in 98.. and as she really didn't want to try it in 2K... but did anyways as a favour then lost everything as a result.. I must say that I'm a little dissapointed. I'd expect a little more compassion from the creators if I were going out of my way to try to help them...

That someone stays atop without having the WAY, has never occured yet. --Lao Tsu

I'm sorry if you felt my post was condescending fozzibear that was not my intention. Obviously what I thought was a considered and levelheaded opinion was not. I'm sure Sacred knew where I was coming from (we have all known each other long enough by now), as she replied in a thoughtful manner. Maybe it is time for me to move on and live life a bit, if my posts and opinions are starting to appear disdainful to some of the community:( Farewell, and thanks for all your support in the past :) Happy rendering. Martin

I knew exactly where u were coming from, hence my detailed response. I think the time has come for me to leave however. My anger towards the attitude of Steve bell will be influencing my opinion of E-on for a long time to come, and I have no wish to impart such negativity on this forum. You guys have all been great, and I will miss you. I will see u around. hugs ~beck ps. Martin.....u r needed here......please reconsider and dont leave!

whereas I'd much prefer that no-one leave.. I can see the position of everyone here... perhaps more a hiatus than a full departure? let emotions die down a bit? I"ll miss both of you terribly

Hey Martin don't leave ! I've learned a lot from you. "move on", "live life a bit" and come back later ! :( Eric

What's going on here? C'mon now!

Nobody is leaving, OK? And that's an order from yer Mod! Please? :)

Even pretty please with sugar on it! I like Thom's suggestion - make it a hiatus. Everyone needs a break from something once in awhile. So have a break, but we'll leave a light on here for you. :)