Thanks ;). I intentionally left the polycount low on this, to make it easier to deal with until I/you decide what direction to go with it... it's pretty easy to add more polys, but not always easy to get rid of them ;). I've got another version (different approach) on the way in a few minutes.

Good points Mallen... Designating a material would make a lot of sense if they did it that way (you wouldn't (necessarily) want a shirt collar to flatten down onto the shoulders, for example). Obviously, we'll need to wait for more details from CL before jumping to too many conclusions, but thatnks for the insight.

Bloodsong, check out Travelers "Monster Parts" package(s) over at Daz too... it may have what you're looking for.

You doubt that my reasoning is sound, or you doubt that people will balk at spending $200 or more for P5? ;)

Ahh, well for your benefit... it's supposed to depict a flat 'sheet' of cloth with holes for the head and up-stretched arms of a model.. you 'drop' this sheet/cloth down over the model in P5 and bingo! - new dress.

...although noone else seemed to get my dry sense of humor, so don;t feel bad ;).

It was a joke, relative to the new cloth-draping features - look at the image.

If you're counting on a $100 upgrade price from P4->P5, I think you're at least $80 off (and probably more than that). Kupa says above that Pro Pack users will get the best upgrade pricing (implying that there's no more Pro pack, they will be combined in P5), so you can start with the $150 upgrade price for that. They're not going to just 'give' it to Pro Pack users, so I figure at a bare minimum, you can add another $30-$50, making the P5 full package price a minimum of $400-$420 range. Of course they may have a different (higher) target price for the full package, but based on what's been shown and said, I don't see it being any lower (I'd love to be proven wrong, without screwing Pro Pck owners though). Of course this is Pure Speculation on my part, so it's up to you to decide if my reasoning is sound ;).

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Actually, that quote was from Wolf359... I don't believe he's a Creative Labs emplyee (please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong).

Was that quote from a CL employee?

Farang, you may not intend to, but you are doing the clothing modellers and merchants here a huge disservice by spouting speculation and opinion based on other applications as fact. First, as others have mentioned, relative to existing clothing being able to take advantage of cloth/collision/gravity features... those who know all the details relative to this question can't say or in the case of CL, haven't said yet, so this is pure speculation. Second, relative to the same subject, suppose none of the current clothes can take advantage of those features - so what? Does that make them any less useful for the millions of renders they've already been used in? Or the millions to come? If you choose to wait (months? til next year? who knows) for P5 to come out before you buy any more clothes, that's your choice, but please don't try to convince others that they should now boycot all current clothing items based on heresay and opinion. Clothes bought today will be just as useful in P5 (whenever it ships) as they are (today) in P4 - THAT is a (pre-stated by CL) fact... clothing items made for P5 may well have additional features (for animation purposes, etc.), but that doesn't make P4 clothing obsolete - not by a long shot.

Of course, having said that, the worse-case scenerio would be if they don't merge the two programs in P5... they could charge everyone the same upgrade price to get P5 and then have a seperate upgrade path for the 'Pro Pack' version of P5. Then it's a question of whether P5 alone would have suited your needs and/or whether you felt the upgrade price to P4 Pro Pack was worth the use you got from it between now and the time P5 comes out (assuming P5 alone would have satisfied your needs, otherwise, you'd be on the P4 Pro Pack upgrade path anyway). Confused yet? ;)

"...I now see that Poser 5 will be released sometime..." I don't have any direct knowledge, but 'Sometime' is the operative word there ;). Based on what's been shown, my wild-guestimate is that it might be out for the Christmas buying season (I wouldn't expect it before Fall). P5 appears to have some of the Pro-Pack features (setup room, etc) and since the pro-pack upgrade is not free, I can't imagine CL not making an upgrade distinction between Pro-Pack and Non-Pro-Pack upgrades to P5, so it really just boils down to 'when' to spend your money... if you think you want some features in Pro Pack, I don't see any reason to wait on P5. Just food for thought.