Laslo, if you don't want to spend the time and investment in starting up a forum of your own, (I wouldn't blame you one bit,), how about a Yahoo! Group?  Then users can sign up for updates. I think that would be a great idea.

I love the new design. Very modern, but still very easy to navigate and follow.

Wow, I like it. Very nice. I was a fan of the simple look before, but the new design is nice!

Quote - Well let me explain it for you then shall I? First off, I haven't "Ripped it apart"! I've pointed out three of the many instances where the software crashed on me repeatedly when I too bought it fresh out of the public release gates. All three of those instances and many others could have been avoided with proper error trapping routines. Things that should have been put in the program before a public release of the software. If proper beta testing had been done they would have caught most of those bugs and done so.

Eh, you ripped on the software. And you assume that it was the fault of the programmers for your shortcomings with the program. What you are referring to as "bugs" aren't necessarily that. A bug is consistently repeatable across multiple systems. As I've said, I've yet to experience ANY of the issues you've brought up. There goes the consistency.

Quote - Second, you ask what it doesn't do as advertised, well since I no longer own the most current program I can't speak to the current release, but as I've already stated, I was completely unable to "Move" dot's once placed on the mesh as advertised to make them work better with the first public release. The program crashed repeatedly on me when I tried. You just happen to be one of the lucky ones it didn't do that to I guess. This lack of use for one of the main advertised features that could and should have been avoided by having proper error trapping tells me the release was premature. Especially since it was complained about by so many others besides myself.

I wasn't discussing the newest release. I am aware you don't have the current version, since you've stated as much.

But now you're referring to me as "lucky," and expecting that catchall to make up for the fact that I'm not having, nor have had, the experience you have. So if I wrote off you and the few others that have complained about the software as "unlucky," I guess it would be all even, correct?

Quote - Thirdly they released it to the public KNOWING that there were bugs like the blackface issue and they said as much at the time of release! That was just inexcusable for a public release package! You don't do that to your customers if you expect to keep them! They released it with many faults that they were aware of and could have prevented if they had gone through proper beta testing phases instead of rushing it to market

I didn't scour the problem threads, so I have no idea whatsoever regarding this "blackface" issue.

"Many faults" is a pretty loose term. Microsoft Vista could be said to have "many faults," but nevertheless, it's on the market, and it has sold.

And there are many people who think it's wonderful.

Quote - My last point is that they advertised it's ability to also create textures to go with the morphs and we all know that what the program produced was crap that was unusable without serious postwork in a 3rd party application if you wanted to end up with a usable texture. I'm sure there are many other issues that other's had as they've all been posted about in the forums. These were my issues and my reasons for believing that they released what was essentially beta quality software on the public.

And therein is my issue with your ripping the software. You are pretending to represent the feelings of the majority, when in fact, you haven't the slightest clue what the majority thinks. "We all know" is a flat out lie, and you're putting words into my mouth. I've had no issues with the resulting textures so far. Any postwork I've done has been because that was my choice.

Quote - Since you experienced none of them while so many others did, consider yourself lucky for having a machine specced so closely to one of the few betatest machines where the problems sneaked by on. Many others were not so lucky.

Again, if you consider me "lucky," then I have to write off your experience as simply "unlucky."

Quote - You state you don't understand the "Opinion" that it doesn't perform as expected. Let me just point out to you that that wasn't an opinion at all. It was verifiable and repeatable FACT as publically shown by so many people who posted all the complaints and issues they had with the software's initial release!

Ummm, people "publicly" stating their opinion on the internet does not qualify something as fact. Actually, quite the contrary. Wikipedia has the ability to correct people's posting of misinformation. If you think a bunch of anger-filled posts on the internet allows something to be qualified as factual, perhaps you should take a hop over to MySpace and see just how much stupidity there is in this world.

Quote - My "opinion" was that they charged too much money for the betatest quality of their first public release, a different matter all together and just my opinion in the end. It is also my opinion that the program was released with too many known crash and inoperability issues to be anything other than a piece of software that should have remained in BetaTesting or fixed. I don't mind if you disagree with those two opinions, but the facts remain true regardless of it all.

Fair enough, now you're representing your opinion for what it is. Opinion only. You believe, that based on your own user experience, this software did not live up to your expectations. That's your opinion. Well, your experience sucked, and I'm sorry you had to go through that. However, it does not change the fact that there are at least as many people out there with wholly positive experiences as have had poor ones. The only difference is, those who are having a good time aren't sitting around the message boards complaining. That's why you didn't see us.

Quote - > Quote - > Quote - My issues with Faceshop Pro are that they are charging way too much money for what is essentially, a BetaTest piece of Software! I find charging your beta testers a full software package price to be at best a slip shode way of getting a decent software package to market at worst, slightly unethical. Just my opinion. I returned it and got my money back. Feel free to let me know when you guy's are completely done beta-testing it.

 

The product ISN'T in Beta. It's complete software. Now if you had said it was simply something you couldn't learn within what you consider a reasonable amount of time, then fine, but don't call it Beta software. It's giving some people the results they expected.

If you expected to scan a picture from a magazine cover, and in 10 minutes be working with a replica of Jessica Alba, then you paid a few hundred bucks too little for your "Beta."

 

Definition of BetaTest Software found via Google:
Before a commercial software program is released to the public, it usually goes through a "beta" phase. During this stage, the software is tested for bugs, crashes, errors, inconsistencies, and any other problems. Though beta versions of software used to be made available only to developers, they are now sometimes made available for the general public to test, usually through the software company's Web site. However, because beta software is free, the programs usually expire after a period of time. If you choose to test a beta software program, don't be surprised if it has multiple problems and causes your computer to repeatedly crash. After all, it is the beta version. You can tell if a program is still in beta by checking the program's properties. If there is a "b" in the version number (i.e. Version: 1.2 b3) that means it's a beta version.- end def

The first commercial release of this software had many serious crash issues which should have been caught in beta but were unleashed on the public to discover and report. Crashes during simple windows operations such as browsing to the directories where textures and OBJ's for import were located caused crashes to desktops. Trying to move points on the meshes didn't work as advertised and caused crashes to desktop. Not restarting the software when starting a new project caused crashes to desktop. Those are just three of the crashes I experienced when I bought it. All three of which should have been caught by real beta testers! 

My opinion was based on the Software's actual inability to perform as expected and had nothing to do with the results I was able to achieve in it. Regardless, it was and remains my opinion of the initial release. I got my money back and I'm happy they're improving it. When it get's out of Beta, I'll be glad to give it another try.  Yes I still call it a Beta piece of software based on Laslo posting that they're still accepting BetaTesters for the software. Feel free to disagree.

Well, I do disagree. I have yet to experience one crash, and I purchased it right after the first public release.

I don't understand the opinion that it does not perform as expected. It does exactly what I expect it to do.

Ripping apart a product in a public forum, simply because it doesn't do something you feel it "should" is where I'm finding issue with your argument. I don't understand where your issue comes from. What does the software not do that is advertised? You begin with an image, you select points on the face, and eventually it transfers that image to the OBJ.

It's not FaceGen, but then, they never claimed it was. FaceGen is hundreds of dollars. FaceShop is 60-80, depending on whether you get it on sale or not. Arguing this is akin, at least to me, to arguing that Poser doesn't do everything 3DS Max does.

Quote - My issues with Faceshop Pro are that they are charging way too much money for what is essentially, a BetaTest piece of Software! I find charging your beta testers a full software package price to be at best a slip shode way of getting a decent software package to market at worst, slightly unethical. Just my opinion. I returned it and got my money back. Feel free to let me know when you guy's are completely done beta-testing it.

The product ISN'T in Beta. It's complete software. Now if you had said it was simply something you couldn't learn within what you consider a reasonable amount of time, then fine, but don't call it Beta software. It's giving some people the results they expected.

If you expected to scan a picture from a magazine cover, and in 10 minutes be working with a replica of Jessica Alba, then you paid a few hundred bucks too little for your "Beta."

Anyway, Laslo, would it be possible for me to get into the Beta for the next version? I'd love to be involved. I've got previous Beta experience on a high level. I'd love to help be a part of making this an even better product! (Is there somewhere we should watch for an announcement of the Beta opening up?)

So we can't use FaceShop for the use it was intended, if we want to upload the image here?

Well that just sucks...

(I'm not taking this out on you karen, I don't kill the messenger.)

Sixus1 rocks! I gotta get my hands on this one. Plus I just saw the Violator! AWESOME! Now if I can just find a quality Spawn I'll be set!

I've only dabbled with it, but I REALLY like it. No, it's not going to take your magazine cover scan of Angelina Jolie and make an exact replica. However, if you really expect that for less than $1000, much less $100, you're probably setting yourself up for disappoinment.

I just took a look at what Laslo posted for the contest page, and there aren't many renders I would consider true likenesses, but still. No matter what, you're getting a virtually infinite number of face morphs for each of your figures. To me, that alone is worth the price. Add in that it also gives you the texture for those morphs, and it's a winner IMO.

To each his/her own though, I guess.

Attached Link: http://www.renderosity.com/mod/freestuff/index.php?user_id=185705

Thanks for posting this. I had already installed V4, but now I am trying to finally clean up my runtime, and I was trying to park V4.1 in a different runtime, and was having a problem. Now I know why.

Daz is the 3D Microsoft...

I've decided to buy this later on today. I was just looking at the thread over at Daz, and some people are coming up with AMAZING results. Seems like another situation where it may take some work to learn it, but the time savings long-term are the payoff.

Wow, this version looks to be amazing! I can't wait to play with her! Thanks for doing this, especially with the last of your free time before service begins.

Hey pitklad, any progress on this yet? I think the images you've posted so far are absolutely wonderful, and I'd love to get my hands on this.

And I'll echo what others have said, with a good luck in the service!

w00t!

The process works now! When I got to the screen where it asks what type of download it is: (P6/7 owner, or not) there was an extra piece of text in the P6/7 owner line. It showed: (-19.99) now.

I had tried a little while ago, so it was either of two things:

1. The people over at CP are working too hard at 4am, or
2. When I just updated my profile it did something to "fix" it.

If anyone wants to update their profile (you may not know where the option is, I just found it myself by accident,) here is the way:

In the upper left, where it shows your user name, right above the Image of the Day, just to the left of your name, there is a tiny button. If you hover over it, it will say that it is for your profile. (The opposite side of your name is the log off button.) Click on the profile button, make some minor change to your profile and save. Then try to make the download again.

Hopefully that will work for others the way it did for me. Good luck all!