Isaac,I agree with your point about the breast morphs. That WAS awfully broad (no pun intended). I was, of course, only referring to the overtly sexual, "breasts bigger than head" thing we see so much here. I did read your post, although I missed it somehow until after I started this thread. I did think it was a bit lenient, but then, maybe I'm being to strict. These are just suggestions and I did ask for opinions, and yours were exactly the kind I was looking for. I haven't worked with the Poser kids much, and I don't have the Daz girls, so I haven't really thought too much about these aspects. At this point, my biggest question would be what Poppi alluded to. Even if some of us were to work out some modest guideline suggestions, would the Top Brass even care? I don't even know who runs this site. Are they listening? Are they concerned about this issue? Would they welcome any advice? Or are we all just wasting our time discussing it? Should we all just cover our own asses and let the chips fall where they may?

A few truths: -1- "Innocent until until proven guilty" is a myth. Locked up until proven not guilty is the reality. -2- Freedom does not mean you can just do anything you want to. That's anarchy, which is something entirely different. -3- Covering your ass is not paranoia, it's simply being sensible. -4- Marilyn Manson or Michael Jackson may face sex charges and walk away, but you won't. They're millionaire rock stars and you're nobody (Harsh, but true). Don't confuse artists with celebrities. No one here has that kind of power. The courts would eat us alive. -5- Ignorance IS bliss, but it'll get you in the end. You can't defend yourself against what you don't see coming. -6- Nothing EVER "just goes away". -7- When you take a stand against authority, the anarchists are all behind you. When you get busted, you're all alone. People criticize Thorne for closing up shop, but who would pay his legal bills if he got nailed? Anyone? Hello...

Well, I wasn't thinking teenage or anything. I was talking more about the preschooler Mil girl or whatever. Which is exactly the kind of distinction that needs to be made here, you know? Let me say that I'm not sure anyone has actually done this, but I've seen things mentioned here and there that inferred stuff like this was being done. Also, let me point out that I don't neccessarily agree with all of this. I certainly don't have anything against the fairy contingent, but someone obviously does and we need some rules before things get carried too far. Frankly, I'm sick to death of this issue, but it's not going away until it's dealt with. And my stake in all this is -A- I recently had a close friend go through hell because of false charges of molestation and I know that it can wreck a person's life, even if they're vindicated in the end (and his resolution wasn't exactly a clear-cut victory...). People don't seem to realize that once you get busted, even if you win, you lose. Lawyers aren't cheap, hearing after hearing takes its toll, and if you're too poor to make bail while you're waiting (like my friend), you can spend months (or more) in jail for something you didn't do without even getting convicted. -B- I really like Renderosity, I think it's the greatest resource for 3Der's on the web, and I'd hate to see it shut down. My hope is that some us more moderate types can workout some guidelines that the Renderosity Top Dogs could consider. I'm not trying to give orders or anything, it's just that for all the talk around here I thought SOMEONE should actually make a few suggestions as to how to calm things down so that we can all just get back to USING our software.

The reason I posted here is because a lot of people (myself included until recently) only visit the forum(s) that pertain to their particular software and so might not be fully informed on this subject. And while these images can be created on other software, make no mistake about it: when they start busting down doors and seizing computers it's the Poser people who's asses are going to be on the frontlines. Not Truespace or Bryce or Amorphium. And if you think that won't happen, read my post in the ACLU thread regarding "Boiled Angel". This is an issue that's not going to just go away. Being both a comic book collector and a rock musician, I'm only too well acquainted with the history of these witchhunts. Anyone ever heard of the PMRC? Or Frederic Wertham and the fate of EC comics? And thanks, atthisstage, for your support. All I'm suggesting is a little compromise from both camps before the choices are taken away from us.

Well, that's real helpful. Very constructive, people.

Don't worry about it. Yes, there are some troublemakers roaming the forums lately, but if the Watchdogs come kicking down the doors it won't be because of fairies. Vagina morphs and anus props, maybe. But I don't think the "important" people are going to make a campaign based on hunting down fairies. What next, banning unicorns for being a phallic symbol?

A few questions: What is the address for Maz's site (I've been there before but I can't remember it)? Can you export an object with this hair business intact with Maz's converter? Does anyone know about any more of these little easter eggs? And how in the hell did anyone figure this out in the first place? Did they have inside information from the programmers or does someone just sit in front of the computer trying endless random keystrokes with the program running?!?!?

Like the person above, I too have seen the strange pop-up asking for my username and password. But I first saw it a few weeks ago, and it only seems to appear when I'm browsing through the older pages of Poser Textures. I've never seen it anywhere else yet, so maybe that would be a good place to start.

You may be interested to know that when you install the Pro Pack, you get .png's instead of .rsr's (although any rsr.'s already there remain as well, but you can just delete them as they're useless). With Pro Pack you can just render your character or prop or whatever at 91x91 pixels, export the image as a png. file to the proper folder, name it identically to the thumbnail you want to replace, and that's it. A rendered thumbnail, transmaps and all. A very interesting new feature that to my knowledge remains totally undocumented.

I just bought Pro Pack myself, solely for its improvements in the area of character creation. The whole Set Up room thing is cool, but if you're not interested in that or ready for it right now, it's probably not worth it. Most everything else is built around animation and Flash and all. The Python scripting business has some potential, but I haven't gotten into that yet and don't think it would probably do much for you unless you're a real power user, not to mention that you need to learn the whole Python language. Someone else could give you more details about that part, though. It has motion blur, even in stills I guess, but I haven't used that as I render everything in Bryce. And if you don't need the other features, it's a lot to pay for that feature alone. About the only the other new stuff is the multiple pane thing, which may mean more to you than it did to me, and (and this is totally undocumented as far as I know; I haven't even seen this mentioned in reviews or the forums or anyplace) it adds a .png to your character files (in fact, it apparently relaces the .rsr altogether on newly saved characters). In case you don't know, a .png is an image file. So you can save a rendered picture (render at 91x91 pixels) as .png and use it to replace the current one for a character or prop or whatever, and voila, you have a nice rendered thumbnail. You can actually see transparent hair, like Kozaburo's, in the thumbnail picture. So is that, motion blur, and multiple pane view worth the bucks to you? That's up to you and your wallet. And you may want to learn more about the Python part if you think that's something you might be interested in.

I'd never heard that little trick before, not even in the gazillion pages of Real World Bryce 4. But when I tried it out, it crashed the program every time. And it didn't send any textures.