Well being that I SO enjoy this site, (and never said word one about porno..where is your mind??) .. I am just trying to provide some feedback, that things are not getting better... (thanks Kaibach).. and YES to "vent" a little of my frustration at not being able to enjoy it.. sorry to have offended you, slynky. Sara

It was not clear, but I THINK it was Spector or something like that?? I have not been able to catch the add again.. :( Sara

That is beautiful, Anton! Is this a P5 woman and if so, did you get eyelashes by growning them with the p5 hair thing?? Sara

So.. CL does not really WANT us to export.. they want P5 to be an entire world to stay within in almost all cases? I love my outdoor vue scene capabilities.. plants (not just hairy grass), numerous trees, flowers... any moutians I want... Harvey, your p4 hair is the most beautiful hair I have EVER seen..and your poser worlds backdrop, ground and skies are amazing... but honestly I don't know when there will be the power to load up poser with ALL the vegitation I use in Vue.. and all the atmosphere.. lighting options that are VERY easy to control.. I will keep an open mind.. as the discussion has gone on, I can see more clearly where P5 may be going, and what parts may be worth it... so I may eventually get it.. (only if it will REALLY run on win98se.. I can't afford to upgrade really!) ... and for sure I will wait at least 6 months... but Harvey if you beta tested.. will CL give us EYE LASHES? :) Thanks for all the discussion and input! It's been enlightening, and thanks too for those that encouraged me to continue to dialog! There still is a place for my current P4, Vue and even Bryce as they are... I have never even used all the wonderful models, props and stuff I have downloaded for those yet!! :) Sara

Well! But for one sour apple, I got a pretty good discussion going here... ;) But I do want to clairify... I WANT a Poser that will EXPORT like P4 does now.. what good are new characters to me if the mesh is a "foreign language" to Vue and Bryce? The humans are one thing, the clothing is another, the materials are another, the hair seems to be another.. all things that Vue and Bryce NEED to READ properly..and that will perhaps take a lot of work for CL to create a recognizable format for them.. OR are they going to let e-on and Corel do that?? I have not seen anything from CL on this very issue, and it is central to what poser IS.. a place to create, pose and EXPORT characters out to other software to use in scenes! Why on earth was this issue not taken care of before release?? This does not inspire confidence!! E-on already worked so hard to get Vue 4 to read Poser 4's pz3s... a great new, useful thing!!! Will they start again with this new stuff?? Corel certainly won't! jjsemp- your image, his shirt, is amazing! But is this a permanent textured shirt now? Can it be used on the figure outside of P5? I would get a little more excited about p5 if some of these things seemed to be possible...(and where are the eyelashes of all the P5 figures?? isn't that the oddest thing to have been left out?) I just thought that if DAZ would be competative in some way perhaps CL would not take our $$ before the product is finished, like Metacreations has done to all of us for years!!! It is SO not fair to take advantage of such loyal followers! I suppose I will make more people mad now.. so I will just go away and be quite now. Sara

I have sat back and watched all the reactions to P5, and am very glad that I did not order it... with the THOUSANDS of dollars and time I have spent building up my P4 library of wonderful clothing, animals, props, etc.. and the fact that P4 renders fine, that it's figures go easily into other programs, especially Vue 4, why would I want to upgrade to a product that is buggy and may never perform right, that has no export of the figures into Vue till (if and when) a patch is put out by CL or e-on???? Why on earth was P5 put out with it's figures locked inside it?? Plus the figures do NOT look any better.. they look odd..no eyelashes and that elbow thing I have seen here and who knows what else... ugh! I really appreciate this forum of honest people who are giving the reports needed for my final decision to stick to my trusty P4! Sara

Well at least the Beard Pack is a DAZ creation.. therefore when there is a DAZ product sale I will consider it again, ONLY if the newer process makes it a one step install easy thing... is it the maps that make the package 30 MB?? Could the zips of maps be divided into several to download one at a time? Oh well.. will wait and see... Thanks for the imput everybody! Sara

EEeekkk.. I just read further on the thread about the Beard set.. and no way am I (not being that computer literate) am I going to buy that set or others with this installer thing! I thought it was a piracy protection thing, but the last post says it's because the files are SO large ? (that is what a zip is for??) It's all way too confusing to me, and really strange to have installers put themselves inside poser where you have to dig them up and run them... are you Sure it is not a piracy thing!? I understand why this would be needed.. but gee whiz... give us back our old single action installers, please!!?? Sara

OH Thanks, Rob... I have to "get out more often"! :) Sara

I'm confused... by the screen captures at e-on, it seemed to be showing that the mountains would be mapped more like in bryce - by altitude. Not? Just the mesh/mountain editor is changed? oh...rats! So, IS there a eucalyptus tree?? Thank you, Rich, that is a pretty cherry tree...although I thought cherry trees have rather slender trunks?! At least the ones I see on TV of the cherry trees in Washington, and in Japan... Are the trunk/branches in any way editable? Sara

I just DON'T understand what all the excitement about these volume things is about!! In bryce, many users found out how costly they were (and had no real effect that I could see, good or bad) in terms of rendering... Here in vue the volume stuff seems to just be more trouble than it is worth! It's downright ugly and makes bad things happen... I did make a new post asking to see some of the new mountains and trees... I REALLY want to see what vue 4 CAN do!! I want to be assured that the wonderful natural looking skies are still there...that there ARE new plants and trees, looking just as good or even better than the ones in 3.1... So I look forwards to the replies to my thread... and I do send all of you best wishes for a speedy recovery from this volume of stress! :) Sara

Ah well, it's okay, Varian... LOL! The only thing really important is that vue 3 runs GREAT for me.. especially since getting more ram... :) And that is ALL I will say here, now that this thread has become so techy... -Sara runs out of too technical thread, not daring to install any funky little programs that would mess up nicely running machine, with rock steady vue 3.1-!

but how come you did not take care of this with the help of your beta testers? I don't understand, I thought that is what they are for... I LOVE my vue 3.1, and am looking forward SO much the the FINISHED version of 4.... but I can see that it is a good idea to wait! It's a lot of money to get and then have to be frustrated by things that should have been done in the first place. I do not need any additional stress in my life, (spending big bucks and getting an unfinished product) so I appreciate the honesty of the loyal users that went ahead and bought it...and let us know what's up! Again, I love vue 3.1- I enjoy my relaxing hours spent with it... Sara

I don't know what a GDI is.. okay, you can laugh... but I do know how to check my resources... they do not seem to change more than a few percent... I am running vue 3.1 on an athlon and it is rock steady, and renders VERY FAST no matter how many models and stuff I put in there... it is a wonder to me, and much faster than bryce 4!! (when I very frist got 3.1, I wanted to test it, so I loaded a bunch of copies of my vista models, and a bunch of trees, and terrains, just to see what would happen!) Oh, I tried it at final and broadcast render settings. I do not know about vue 4... all the comments on the problems have me waiting and watching... (and saving my money for later when it is resolved or a patch is posted) Sara

Oh, sorry Guitta, my night scene is dark... and I have no idea, tradivoro, what made that darker stripe in the water, maybe the edge of the terrain under it? I looked at some of the odd lines - in the water and sky.. but to me, they looked like things I have actually seen in the water...and clouds... and yellow-orange color for the boat's light.. goood idea! I will have to try that! :) Fog... a good idea too... oh my! -smiling- this will be fun! Thank you all for your suggestions! And I downloaded the plant again, and will try again...but why would trying to use it from the first install actually ask me for the "3.2" update?? Yes- there is one!! I need to install that also, I guess... Well, I am off to experiment! :) hmmmm so 4 is actually shipping... ! Sara