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Subject: Your Choices in the Marketplace will be censored by PayPal
"Since Renderosity seems hellbent on closing down my store I'd like to mention that all of my adult products will continue to be selling at both Poser Pros and Renderotica. Thanks for the mention Natolii :)" Considering I won't be able to purchase some of your items until the 19th... Good thing I prefer to purchase from PP as a rule and even better that you are hosted there. Renderosity's actions are to the extreme. As I stated, Poser Pros also accepts Paypal and also has guidelines in regards to nudity and porn. Yes, they do not allow certain things however, alot of the items here are also either considered art elsewhere or are parts of the lifestyles of certain segments of our population. I think this is an ill-thoughtout, knee-jerk plan. "Family-Friendly" my arse... I am more comfortable browsing over at Poser Pros with my 9 yr old anyway. WHAT does that tell you?
1 teeny tiny question, and then I'm running like the wind 'cause I'm already in trouble enough for raising cain. um, if this is the death of renderosity, then what about Poser Pros -- who have exactly the same policy -- or DAZ (who don't allow any nudity and are larger than rosity and pros both) who haven't been killed by it? That's all. I'm not allowed to voice my opion as I will be flayed and (probably) banned should I do so, so I have to simply watch and wish I could take part...
thou and I, my friend, can, in the most flunkey world, make, each of us, one non-flunkey, one hero, if we like: that will be two heroes to begin with. (Carlyle)
well, let's just say I'm actually sorta glad it's paypal they are after instead of me, lol. I read my email and was sorta shocked 'cause it sounds an awful lot like something written not too terribly long ago by, um, er, one of my other personalities. Yeah, that's it.
thou and I, my friend, can, in the most flunkey world, make, each of us, one non-flunkey, one hero, if we like: that will be two heroes to begin with. (Carlyle)
At the request of Ardiva, posting this here as well: Regarding showing nudes in products: you can. In images 2 and 3 for any product. You just can't show them in the thumbnail, the first image, or in images pulled in from offsite. So that's two full 800 by 800 images that can show nudity for every texture. That's actually rather clear in the email sent out, as evidenced above (which is actually where I read about it first, then scampered off to my email)
thou and I, my friend, can, in the most flunkey world, make, each of us, one non-flunkey, one hero, if we like: that will be two heroes to begin with. (Carlyle)
You may not like this but a banking company has a right to set any policy it wishes. That's free speech.
But Renderosity ALSO has that right.
So Renderosity should exercise its own free speech rights by dropping Paypal and using someone else.
Free markets AND free speech.
That's how America works.
Message edited on: 11/15/2004 22:55
So Renderosity should exercise its own free speech rights by dropping Paypal and using someone else.
Free markets AND free speech.
I don't think the other options are as popular as Paypal. From their standpoint (ie: Renderosity), I suppose they'd have to weigh which option makes more money ... the sales through Paypal or the sales of adult-oriented items. Judging by their decision, the option seems obvious.
Message edited on: 11/15/2004 23:00
How did I miss this thread? Whoever said Visa is behind it is correct. They are calling the shots. I wondered how this site had escaped them for so long but was very glad they did. My Pay Pal account was locked with almost $500. in it 6 mo. ago today. I have yet to receive that money and I doubt I ever will. I was cancelled for having the letters "bdsm" in a webset description. So..if Renderosity doesn't comply they will lose whatever money is in limbo at the time the account is locked...most likely a good amount. You can't fight them, begging doesn't work. There doesn't seem to be an intelligent being anywhere in the Pay Pal system. Losing Pay Pal hurt my business substantially. At paypalsucks.com there is a page with payment alternatives you can check out. Yow Cow seemed ok at first but it is such a pain for the customer all of mine backed out of the deal. I heard Stormpay is ok but never checked them out. It is sad that such uptight individuals are running the world.
ok ok, I'm starting to succumb so I have to leave rosity for the night, but one more question: What other service out there has the acceptance of Paypal and offers the equivcalent service? Flat out. Wo else out there can do what paypal does and has the same level of acceptance? To be fair, I'll set a comparatively low baseline of one million active accounts. List 'em folks -- I guarantee that not only rosity but a whole bunch of other folks will LOVE to know. I gotta go or hubby will place his boot on my heinie...
thou and I, my friend, can, in the most flunkey world, make, each of us, one non-flunkey, one hero, if we like: that will be two heroes to begin with. (Carlyle)
Not only is this going to seriously damage the amount of products in the MP (try doing a search for 'bondage', 'fetish', or 'hot', it's staggering...) but a lot of merchants are going to have trouble making enough of a profit to continue releasing items.
Face it folks, SEX SELLS. I've seen quite a few talented merchants who released standard character or clothing sets, and then started releasing more 'adult' products instead. I don't have to wonder why, when products like genital add-ons and bondage poses are constantly in the "What's Hot" listing.
I guess I don't have anything new to say about this situation, but it wasn't long ago I received an email regarding a massive lawsuit filed against Paypal in Northern California... and I've had my own negative experience with them, including having my account frozen for a year as a buyer, I don't sell anything through Paypal.
Not a pretty picture here.
- Molly
This might help understand why...
Though I don't have to agree with they way they are going about it.
http://www.poserpros.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=24016
(no membership required to read.)
To Quote Mehndi: "When we first hooked up with Paypal, we had high hopes of qualifying for some of their programs that would have given us a good deal of very much needed free advertising and publicity, but because we had any nudity at all on our site, we were rejected, and put in the category of businesses Paypal was ashamed of. To qualify for those free services we would have to make, and enforce, a no nudity, no sexuality rule on our site. This is how strongly paypal feels on this subject matter." I take it Renderosity wants to take advantage of these programs.
Message edited on: 11/15/2004 23:40
"Until a better payment method comes along...." "Whoever said Visa is behind it is correct. They are calling the shots." "Yow Cow seemed ok at first but it is such a pain for the customer" All I can say is that I have never been happier since shredding ALL my credit cards. No more monthly payments, no more sur-charges, no more intrest charges.....And the market place and venders I buy from Don't have to pay to accept my payment via check or money order. Plus the store can hold my purchase untill my check passes - No risk of PayPal (or other) 'freezing' their account or charge backs. But then ya, I do have to wait 7, 8, even 12 working days to recieve my purchase....but hey, I'm a very patiant person ;p SEX, DRUGS, ROCK-N-ROLL Oh No! SEX, DRUGS, ROCK-N-ROLL Oh No! SEX, DRUGS, ROCK-N-ROLL Oh No! ROCK ON!!!!
'but a lot of merchants are going to have trouble making enough of a profit to continue releasing items.'
That's a very accurate observation Fashionably_Late and it will definitely affect me in just the way you mentioned.
If the truth be fully known, I use the revenues from my 'adult' products to continue making the sets and clothing items I'd actually prefer to make - but as was already mentioned - sex sells and by a fairly wide margin.
BTW - I really don't know how much of this has to do with Paypal or Visa but I suspect that they are accounting for a very small portion of this policy change. Not that I don't think that Paypal sucks mind you! lol :)
Back to post #69; where ever did this whole idea of Charge a merchant to accept payment of merchindise come from anyway?
I wonder just how much PayPal, Visa, etc make by allowing stores to accept payment from the store's customer?
I wonder how much cheaper things could be if stores didn't have to pay a fee to accept their customer's cash??
What ever happened to the good ol' days of "Hello Mr. Merchant, I'd like that one on the shelf please and here's my cash of which you only have to charge me sales tax but NOT CC/PP tax."
"PeePee tax"?? OMG! Now we gotta pay to do that too?!?!?
Message edited on: 11/15/2004 23:50
igohigh wrote: "gee, I didn't know Bush owned PayPal and Visa....guess we should just let Kerry screw it up instead and then he coulda send more spit wads to arm our troops...or not...but maybe...or..." It's been strongly rumored that VISA in particular has been targeting adult sites (as well as Credit Card processors who do business with them) as a "favor" to Ashcroft's office and the Bush government. As VISA is currently jockeying position to try to get its hands on as much of the debit processing market as possible without upsetting the antitrust cops, I'll give you three guesses as to what they're probably hoping for in return....
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Ha!!! The forces holding me back from commenting thoroughly have been um, err, eh, sated, yeah, that's it, and naturally went to sleep straight away. So I'm free! Free! Oh, wait a sec. I gotta get some good stuff to reply to first. darn it. Back in a sec...
thou and I, my friend, can, in the most flunkey world, make, each of us, one non-flunkey, one hero, if we like: that will be two heroes to begin with. (Carlyle)
No Liquer Berserga! These are the days of Poser Prohibition! but I'll join in on the liberation of Vickies boobs, gotta love those liberated women! ;p FREE VICKIES BOOBS! FREE VICKIES BOOBS! FREE VICKIES BOOBS! FREE VICKIES BOOBS! FREE VICKIES BOOBS! FREE VICKIES BOOBS! FREE VICKIES BOOBS! FREE VICKIES BOOBS! FREE VICKIES BOOBS!
lol@igohigh: 'Right now I'm sitting here nekkid in the forums, does this mean I can't go to the Market Place untill I put something on?' You can only look at the second and third store pics until you put on some clothes :) Reading the content of the posted email doesn't convince me that this is politics or anyway related to Paypal or Visa. This seems like a policy decision at the level of Renderosity administration.
"FREE VICKIES BOOBS!"
Where? I'll have a couple of pounds of them apples. ;)
Message edited on: 11/16/2004 00:29
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Hello everyone this is your action news reporter with all the new that is news across the web on the scene at the Renderostiy Market place. There seems to have been some disturbance here. Pardon me sir, did you see what happened? "Ya I did. I was stadin over thar by Stephanie's lingerie when here he come, nekkid as a jay bird, runnin through the props section, then through the hair piece section and right through the Poser accessories section, nekkid as a jay bird with the PayPal police right behind em! And I howlered over to Ethel I said 'Don't Look Ethel!' she'd already been incensed.." Here he comes, boogie-dy, boogie-dy There he goes, boogie-dy, boogie-dy And he ain't wearin' no clothes Oh yes, they call him the streak Fastest thing on 52K He's just as proud as he can be Of his anatomy He's gonna give us a peek Oh yes, they call him the streak He likes to show off his physique If there's an audience to be found He'll be streakin' around Invitin' gallery critique... This is your action news reporter once again and we're here at the Renderosty Gallery. Pardon me sir, did you see what happened? "Yeh, I did...I was just in here gettin' my thumbnails checked and he just appeared right out of the Poser forum, Come streakin' around the Bryce Gallery there, Didn't have nothing on but a smile I looked in there and Ethel was gettin' her a IM, I hollered...'Don't look Ethel!' It was too late...She'd already been mooned, Flashed her right there in front of the Michael 3 Gallery! He ain't rude, boogie-dy, boogie-dy He ain't lewd, boogie-dy, boogie-dy He's just in the mood to run in the nude Oh yes, they call him the streak He likes to turn the other cheek He's always making the news Wearin' just his tennis shoes Guess you could call him unique... Here he comes...look...who's that with him? Ethel, is that you, Ethel? What do you think you're doing? You get your clothes on! Ethel, where you going? Ethel, you shameless hussy Say it isn't so Ethel Ethel..................
"Renderosity has caved to pressure from PayPal. Starting November 22 your shopping choices in the Renderosity Marketplace will be censored according to PayPal's standards. Many merchants products will be eliminated. The resources available to you will be restricted by the corporate giant. If you want to keep your freedom, tell the admins how you feel about having your choices restricted to appease PayPal, a multinational corporation that doesn't know what art is." As a mistress of spin, the P5 Gestapo, and silly bitch, I feel compelled to admire this work of art in and of itself. For one, it doesn't mislead. For another, it's absolutely accurate. For a third, it is written incredibly well and essentially kicks ass. I love it. Tip o the bonnet to ya sirrah! "Maybe they could sell the adult items at Renderotica. Unless Paypal has the same policy there as well." Paypal has the same policy everywhere. As noted later on (by Diane herself, no less) Paypal is not accepted at Renderotica. "I don't understand how a banking company can dictate sales policy. Can someone explain? " Paypal is not a banking company. Paypal is not even a savings and loan company. Paypal is an evil unto itself. It has no regulations to which it must submit, no oversight, no FDIC insurance, nothing. Paypal is necessary, however. Still waiting on that list of other services that are mentioned to exist -- and just how many do you have? Go strictly credit card, perhaps? Processing fees triple or more the minute you sell something the processors deem to be adult. Won't even go into the costs that are associated with chargebacks for someone branded with that. I know. I'm treasurer for a group that did what was suggested in another post and went out and started a company and a website. And gee, I've managed to keep it going without spending more money, but it's not even close to as effective as selling here. yet. Support your independent content providers!!! It's a LOT easier said than done. "not to sound like a complete idiot, but how will that work for character textures? Is it only complete nudity, or partial nudity that will be banned?" It's not banned. Only from thumbnails (which means getting more creative there -- shouldn't be hard in a community of artists) and the first image of the three and then from images linked to offsite. "Fascism is when you impose your belief system on others against their will. If PayPal's actions aren't Fascist I've never seen it." sorry, wrong. That's only an effect of fascism. I know -- I've been accused of being fascist. From Encarta: Fascism, modern political ideology that seeks to regenerate the social, economic, and cultural life of a country by basing it on a heightened sense of national belonging or ethnic identity. Fascism rejects liberal ideas such as freedom and individual rights, and often presses for the destruction of elections, legislatures, and other elements of democracy. Despite the idealistic goals of fascism, attempts to build fascist societies have led to wars and persecutions that caused millions of deaths. As a result, fascism is strongly associated with right-wing fanaticism, racism, totalitarianism, and violence. That's fascism. Which bears more resemblance to some of the suggestions made in posts in this thread. I can now only imagine how wonderful it must be in the merchant's forum. Funny, too, how Nerd had to announce this, while the admins haven't bothered to say anyting officially about it yet. "Oh well, The Renderosity store was a great place to buy Poser items, but I guess all good things must come to an end! Thank you, you closed-minded, cowaring little "business men". " And what has changed all that much? There was, once, in another forum, a discussion about these very products where it was suggested that they be moved to a "special spot" within the store. 2 things wrong -- one, it would still be affected by this, and two, that was done once already. That special spot turned out to be a huge nightmare, and suddenly becomae a site on it's own -- I believe it's now called renderotica. one sec while I go look... yep, that's it. (sorry, no links. Can't link, but I can say it.) "And if eBay can sell adult items as long as PayPal isn't listed as a payment option, why can't Rosity?" Good question, Jackson! I'd high five but I'd like knock my monitor down and I can't afford another one (sides, it's so lame to high five these days...) I would think it has something to do with the tiny part of the letter that says : "...our rapidly expanding customer base, feedback from merchants, buyers, the community, and educators, limitations placed on sites with content deemed sexually explicit or adult in nature,..." Note that within the last three months I've seen five postings regarding folks being told that basically rosity is a porn site. Renderosity is listed as a porn site in several cities across the nation. Phoenix Arizona -- that bastion of democratic self reliance (hey, we impeached Mecham, ok?) -- has banned it from libraries and other government offices. Which are all under three levels of pretty democrat rulership, for those who want to pin this on politics. It ain't politics. There are more -- and that hurts. That means that new people can't get here. That means a reputation. And While individuals such as myself might not give a rats ass what someone thinks of us, that doesn't mean companies can (gee, anyone wanna buy something from Enron right now? What? no? They're theiving bastards? Oh, ok, just checking). btw -- um, don't hold this against me. Please go shop at my store -- I need the money :) anyway, the point there is that this is NOT only about Paypal. However, by meeting the "paypal" standards, odds are they can get themselves off those lists and improve their reputation. And that, unfortunately, means that, um, yeah -- they gotta change what can be sold in the store and the way it is sold. And what's really funny is that the nudity stuff is NO different from the ones at Poser Pros or other sites, and meets paypal guidelines quite nicely, thank you. Oh, and funny -- poserpros is not on that list of porn sites mentioned just a bit ago. NOw I would hope that no one here thinks I'm some sort of blankety blank rosity stalwart. Good lord, I'm banned from the merch forum becuase I got upset with them. You ever try to run a store here without the information they want you to have? I mean, we're talking about merchant emails that have "important links" to stuff in the forum -- links I can't follow so I can't know. So don't try pinning that on me. Aside from my settin ya straight, I'm not so sure Clint and Lillian would say I'm one of their all time fave folks. Course, I'm not looking up noses, either. So let's see -- to get More exposure and increase the marketshare and stay competitive in the larger market, they have to limit the sales of a single group of items. I mean, for cryin out loud folks, we've got an 8 year old selling in the store! For his allowance money no less (and, well, no he hasn't sold anything from what I can tell, lol) Then there's this part: Effective immediately Renderosity will no longer broker the following types of products: 1) Poses or activity were any person (regardless of age) appears that they "could" be engaged in sexual activity. 2) Items that appear "sexual in nature" or are intended for "adult audiences" (example: bondage gear). 3) Products that display child or teen nudity. Ok, so the first one simply matches the rules in the galleries. Damn. There goes our hypocrisy level. We were really gettin 'em with it, too. The second one, well, hell, I've used some of the stuff in the stores as part of the outfits in fantasy images. Then again, there's other stuff that doesn't quite work that way. Who makes the call? Clint. Him I know for sure, and knowing his methods overall, he'll probably consult with a couple others -- Jeny, Lillian, Debbie, for ex. Love him or hate him, clint has no problem making decisions. he does need to back off a bit sometimes when he takes heat for them and listen instead of just crossing his arms and glaring with sarcasm, but generally he tries his damndest. And gets little credit. Which is wrong. Folks at Poser Pros make a call and it's all sweetness and light. Here they are evil incarnate. uh-huh, yeah. Maybe thick at times, but not evil incarnate. "If we're paying for it, why should paypal care what we're buying?" Paypal doesn't care. Paypal 's beancounters were counting beans one day and notcied that folks doing porn stuff -- both merchants and customers -- were costing them a ton of money. So they said screw that and told the lawyers to draft a policy. And well, someone already made a bad suggestion about them (hey, my daddy was a lawyer. He just wasn't anything like william shatner). "50. Re: Your Choices in the Marketplace will be censored by PayPal by Dale B on 11/15/04 22:17 Please. Listen to a 25+ year veteran of retail. Do not just drop PayPal and Visa. Take 30 minutes, and write up a detailed, polite, explanation as to =why= you are taking your business elsewhere. It is very easy to hide truth when the customer just goes away. Letting them know exactly why you are depriving them of your money is much harder to hide. Tell some friends about it, and if they agree, get them to follow your example. Neither PayPal or VISA are irreplaceable; there are alternatives to both. Remember the Exxon Valdez, and Exxon's 'we're not cleaning up shit!' attitude...until they started getting all those Exxon cards back in the mail, cut up. The general public =is= the tail the wags the dog, folks. Rosity most likely will not draw this line in the sand; they seem far too interested in getting that 'family' approval star....despite the fact that it will destroy them. As the purchasers, it is our job to stand our ground. " Great, except I really don't see how this will destroy them when the almighty DAZ has an even more rigorous policy in place and is considerably larger and more potent a player. Sex still sells folks. Except now you gotta get more creative in they way that sex sells. "Renderosity's actions are to the extreme. As I stated, Poser Pros also accepts Paypal and also has guidelines in regards to nudity and porn. Yes, they do not allow certain things however, alot of the items here are also either considered art elsewhere or are parts of the lifestyles of certain segments of our population. I think this is an ill-thoughtout, knee-jerk plan. "Family-Friendly" my arse... I am more comfortable browsing over at Poser Pros with my 9 yr old anyway. WHAT does that tell you? " I'll have to disagree. Rosity's actions are sudden, however. No warning, no gentle easing of something like this like they would normally do. No, this is caused because someone got pissed off at them and reported them to paypal. At least in part. but, again, these guidelines are now Exactly the same sort as Poser Pros already has in place. And they are also why you are more comfortable browsing poser pros with your kid than here. That will likely change shortly. Well, except the forums. lol "I take it Renderosity wants to take advantage of these programs" well, they won't be able to -- they still have nudity in the galleries and nudity in the store. 2nd and 3rd images. And now I've reached the end.
thou and I, my friend, can, in the most flunkey world, make, each of us, one non-flunkey, one hero, if we like: that will be two heroes to begin with. (Carlyle)
Although I addressed it above, I'll go back for a second. Re: post 67: The only problem with the logic is that even with these new rules in place, Renderosity will still have nudity. So they cannot qualify for those programs and gain free advertsing and such anymore than Mehndi could. only the initial images are covered under the draconian paypal rules. One click in is safe. At least, for now (evil cackling laugh)
thou and I, my friend, can, in the most flunkey world, make, each of us, one non-flunkey, one hero, if we like: that will be two heroes to begin with. (Carlyle)
So... What happens to the stuff we have bought and payed for. Do these items stay in our account or are they taken out? If I lost a file, how would I get it back. Do I need to spend the next few day D/L all those file to make more back-ups? Also, do I need to buy Bat's stuff before the dead line. I would hate to see his stuff go. If the files are taken off our purchased list, couldn't this be considered thieft, it was payed for. What about the galleries, will all the images get toasted as well? Just some crazy thoughts running through my head, while shaking in disbelieve of what all this means. It might be good for all those modeling programs. I know I'm glad I bought Shade. With Shade and Wings, I won't have a need to spend much money.
If you want bat's stuff and can get it -- be safe. Buy it now. Dang nabbit. I can't believe I'm saying this. Clint, when you read this you had better not be laughing or, or, or I'll come and kick you. I'm redownloading my purchases tonight and reburning them on an archive -- and then I'm going to watch themerchants I've bought from real close and see where they go and what they do. If it turns out to be rotica, well, so be it. that way, at the least, when I have a problem, I can pester them :D
thou and I, my friend, can, in the most flunkey world, make, each of us, one non-flunkey, one hero, if we like: that will be two heroes to begin with. (Carlyle)
Well, anyone who's products are deemed "unsuitable" for Renderosity under the new PayPal friendly guidelines are certainly welcome to submit them at DTG Studios/Renderotica. If any of you are considering the effects this new PayPal Friendly policy may have on your products here, and are considering a need for moving some of them to a different venue, here's a reminder of some of the benefits of selling in an "Adult Items Friendly" store:
***************************** * You'll have a large audience of customers who're looking for just those types of item for their renders. * We accept non-erotic items a s well, so customers who are drawn to your stores at Renderotica will also browse and buy your non-erotic items. [People need beds, clothes, textures, furnishings etc for their "smut renders" ;)] * Exposure to a new base of customers who don't normally shop at Renderosity or elsewhere, plus a large percentage of your existing customer base from other sites who're also Renderotica/Animotions Members. * Sales exposure in two stores: Items that are not erotic specific are also eligible for upload to the Animations store at the vendor's [and store staff's] discretion, so you get additional exposure to customers who may not normally shop any of the other Poser sites except Animotions.com. * More Front Page store exposure for a longer time in our What's New section - items don't get buried as fast as they do at Renderosity. * More Frontpage exposure on the site, even for older items - we regularly include a few older items in our front page line up and our newsletter to remind people they're there. * Stringent testing and a reputation for quality store testing: if an item passes here, customers know that it functions properly. * Relatively quick testing: we shoot for a maximum of three days from the time an item is submitted for a vendor to get a Pass/Fail email from us, and a maximum of a week to 10 days from submission and the item passing to when it appears in the Store(s). Please note that those are outside maximum times for when we have a higher than normal volume load: we normally get items through testing and up well within those times. * We're not restrictive on promotional images [for items sold in our stores] posted to our gallery, nor on item credits. [We do preffer that promotional images be for items you're selling with us] * No double standards on Purchased Items vs Galleries: if you by a spiked three headed dildo or suchlike from the store, you can use it in your gallery images at Renderotica. * And we have a Courteous and Friendly Staff that will work with you in spite of having that Ironbear Character as Store Admin. ;) * Staff that works extensively with you in the rare event of a customer complaint. [Very rare event: we haven't had many in the two years I've been store/testing admin] ***************************** Feel free to make contact with me: [Ironbear] at s_barnes@direcway.com or through Diane's email at diane@renderotica.com - Ironbear DTG Studios Store Admin Renderotica.com and Animotions.com
"I am a good person now and it feels... well, pretty much the same as I felt before (except that the headaches have gone away now that I'm not wearing control top pantyhose on my head anymore)"
- Monkeysmell
"If I lost a file, how would I get it back" You don't, just like stuff from past merchants who are no longer here (I have a few of those). Make Back Ups of Everything and then Back Up Your Backups (computer 101; lesson #1) "If the files are taken off our purchased list, couldn't this be considered thieft" No it's not thieft. You paid for it, you got it, if you lost it then you should learn to take better care of your stuff (George Carlin says you must have a place for All Your Stuff!) "What about the galleries, will all the images get toasted as well?" Like others have hinted/suggested; eventually. This is only the start of what will be, or the end of what might have been. Sadest thing IMO is that this will greatly hinder the creative thinking of future creations. This will inhibit the expression of the artist as they have to conform to the facist pig 'Big Daddy'. While I am not a merchant, it is things such as this why I have never tried. I will not have Anyone dictate to me what I can and can't create, what I can and can not offer. What this means to me is that I will just have to spend more time looking through many market places and independant sites to find the things I like, which will mean less and less time browsing here.
"* And we have a Courteous and Friendly Staff that will work with you in spite of having that Ironbear Character as Store Admin. ;)" well, that all by itself tells me that it's a store worth shopping at. endorsed by a crazy woman hmm. Better not put that up on the site, though...
thou and I, my friend, can, in the most flunkey world, make, each of us, one non-flunkey, one hero, if we like: that will be two heroes to begin with. (Carlyle)
A word of advice from someone who made a bunch of backups of my Rendo stuff a few years ago... do NOT save them as the original zip files on a multi-session CD. If at all possible, extract them all out to a dummy "runtime" folder and then burn that to the cd in a single session. You have no idea how heartbreaking it is to get to your backup zipfiles two years later and find out they're all rendered corrupt and inaccessable by the method through which you burned them to the disc. :(
All items purchased are grandfathered in, even when a merchant leaves purchases stay in a cusomers account for later use. Customers aren't going to have to worry. next the new rule states that image 2 and 3 of the promo shots allow nudity, so all those texture artists have 2 full images to display the quality of there textures or whatever they want. As stated above, Daz does it and Daz does a LOT more business than PP or Rend. Everything on Rend is time stamped, gallery entries, as well as products. So Grandfathering in isn't a big deal. Anybody that believes that Rend survives off poser sales should look at the other categories. Advertising with Software companies, marketing, flyers etc costs money and software companies pay the bills. As well as CD tutorials, and no books. Also the licencing of Bondware software of which Renderosity is a prime showcase for the software. Loosing sexy pose packs and baloon morph tits really isn't going to be that much of an effect and should it happen would probably be a bonus as it's easyer to market to non sexy related marketing venues. Merchants always have a way of selling their products. open their own store, pay their own bandwidth charges and sell away. With the new rule promo image 2 and 3 should allow them to sell here if they choose. Schools and colleges are tightning restrictions on sites students can access from school computers. Rend sells educational licenced software and haveing that avenue closed off hurts profits. As far as I can tell nobody is censoring anybody in the way of art, go create a site and post away, they are limiting how the site that they pay for is used and to me at least since they are paying the bills got to make the rules. Daz, PP, Rend, 3d commune, Rendroica etc etc etc all have terms users have to abide by to remain in business, as well as for the user to be a member. There are several online pay mthods people can use, if you cannot find a way to send money to a merchant send a good old money order or check. Rend is trying to stay afloat, PayPal trying to keep in business with international laws and restrictions, nudity on promo image #2 and #3 seem to work this issue out. I don't really see the issue. Like to add just one last thing. I do think this can be a GOOD thing too. Merchants will have to work and be creative to advertise, good marketed products and ads will rise, badly advertised products or marketed items won't make it. This could be a boon for people that render good quality advertising and could HELP some merchants. Daz's new thumbs of old products had me looking at things I hadn't seen in a while or had passed by before. Just a thought. My 2 cents, and now I have none so what do I know. Peace out.
"even when a merchant leaves purchases stay in a cusomers account for later use. Customers aren't going to have to worry."
NOT TRUE! I have at least three items I have purchased here but the artist left and the items no longer are on my purchase list.
And one of those artists is still a 'member' her but just removed all her store items for reasons I do not know...but at that time my purchase list also removed them...
Message edited on: 11/16/2004 02:22
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Since Renderosity seems hellbent on closing down my store I'd like to mention that all of my adult products will continue to be selling at both Poser Pros and Renderotica. Thanks for the mention Natolii :)
Furthermore, I'd like to apologize to the hundreds of customers who've purchased my products and similar products by other Merchants. In an effort to make us second class Merchants, this policy makes so many of you second class members inspite of the generous financial support you've given to Renderosity.
I know I don't owe this apology but it will be an icestorm in hell before you get it from the ones who do owe it to you.