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Subject: Does it freak anyone else out?
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what would you prefer?? : " Hi ,are there any new free digital computer simulated epidermal bitmaps for the 70,000 polygonal human shaped female computer dataset from DAZ 3D??." OR : " Any new free textures for Vicky 3 yet??"
yeah, it does. but, i get the willy's real easy. kind of makes you think, though doesn't it...when danica, or maybelline, or chlamydia is the flavor of the week, she is totally personalized....wearing all the latest in lingerie and temple wear. but, but, but...these trusted vicki friends are quickly cast aside for the next group of temple tarts...then it is ophelia, 'n miss chloe, 'n arachnadinaline who look so lovely in the temple wearing...whatever it is that anthropomorphasized 3d mesh dolls who are spoiled are wearing that week. kinda makes me wonder how the temple crew treats real people. oh, well, at least no one is really thinking about war.
and, one other thing....WE CAN'T EVEN RIP THEIR STUPID BARBIE HEADS OFF. torture of them is not permitted in the gallery. period. i hated barbie. my grandmother was a professional dollmaker, and i had some wonderful dolls and clothing. i hated barbie, but, had to have her...lots of her to keep up with the "janes". fortunately, i had a psycho little brother who was glad to rip the head, tail, and limbs off any barbie i would leave in his path. it worked well. what's up with the "no mutilation"....they are mesh figures. honest, like the chameleon...they can regenerate.
Poppi! If i were to depict a man eating another's Brain, would that mark me as a "Cannibal"? Poser & such progs allow us to visualise our innermost dreams or nightmares... It's actually therapeutic! I had Gi Joes, my siter had Barbies! And we would make stories. We had Fun & our imagination was also enhanced! I feel sorry for the Generatons that grow with "Nintendos"! It's totaly Passive, meaning nothing positive comes except better "Eye/Hand" coordination... Well, that's Just an Old Farts opinion anyway... Back to Talking with my Cats! Marco
I know we refer Barbie and Ken like their real people... because they are REAL. You CAN hold them. It just... throws me off when I see people oogling over data information like they actually have their own soul. You bring up a good point, Poppi. They're not real... why can't I dismember them and post my work of frustration?
LadyJaiven, Ignorance is Bliss! Actually, it's a He! Sorry! He's actually got a bit of my GrandPa's Spirit in him! Well, for whatever it's worth, What you call "real" is someone else's "Virtual Reality"... "Real" is such a "Flimsy" thing... it's like the Wind, you can feel it But can't grab or see it... I guess it's what you call a "Leap of Faith"... And it does not matter if you believe it or not! The Universe believes in You, me, the Teddies & Yes the "Virtual Dolls" too! :-) But, i do understand Emprezzario your POV! And that's what makes this place so cool! All those different ways of looking at the universe concentrated right here! Brings a tear to my eye... Marco[Felling Old & Young at the same time...]
Well, that's Just an Old Farts opinion anyway... please, do not imply that i am a new fart. i've been around a good long time my own self. 'n, 'n, 'n....as a child i really USED my imagination. partially due to the fact that i was basically 8 when speaking english clicked. before that, everyone hated me, i think. i did not care for barbie, though. all of the barbies looked pretty much the same...not like the dolls from my grandmother. and, they had little cheesy one size fits all outfits, that were flimsy and tore easily. my grandmother used real velvet, and trims, and even fur. but, all the other girls loved their barbies, so....and did not say much about my different dolls from my grandmother. well, hey now...i wanted friends. but, barbie bored me, to tell the truth. "chlamydia"?????!!!! Please tell me you made that up and no one really named a character "Chlamydia". ::twitch:: >^_~ actually, i live in the south. it sounds pretty, right...'n what's in a name? something to remember the dad by, perhaps? I know we refer Barbie and Ken like their real people... because they are REAL. You CAN hold them. and this so reminds me of an elderly lady i know. she is basically begging everyone she knows for money. why? 'cause she's been supporting her nephew....he's 50 something, and never had a job, to speak of. well, she is in such an uproar because....he's been SELLING OFF HIS G.I. JOE COLLECTION...'n isn't that a shame, 'n all? oh, good grief....time to run this all by my therapeutic, talking poppibird, now. well, no one can say i'm crazy, right? he does answer.
Poppi, Please never take my words as directly personnaly to you! I was refering to me alone! That's what i'm called around the house! And it fits the Bill! LOL I don't know you well enough to call you anything! ;-) He's selling his G.I Joe Collection? The Nerve! Is that the original ones from the 70s? Wish i still had mine! I had the complete sets from "Scuba Gear" to "Cowboy Salon", Horses, etc.. I adored them! If Poser had existed during those years, i wonder... Marco
I think they're as real as anyone wants them to be. I write fiction. My characters are very real to me, even though they're only words on a page. How does this differ from that? There are certainly very much more serious things in this world to be scared of. Real things that can hurt real people. Here in the Northwest, a man is being hunted by the authorities, suspected of killing his wife, three children, and unborn baby. That scares me. Giving our Poser characters a life-like personality is just another form of fantasy, very innocent and harmless. Melanie
its no more weird than talking about your favourite soap opera characters AS IF THEY ARE REAL... I mean people... listen to the office gossip for a change... its not any different! People (most anyway) are aware that fictional characters aren't real, but in a certain way, they are real. They just exist in your imagination. I could point at Lee Alverson's characters for example, he writes stories around them and they sure do come out real to me.
He's selling his G.I Joe Collection? The Nerve! Is that the original ones from the 70s? Wish i still had mine! I had the complete sets from "Scuba Gear" to "Cowboy Salon", Horses, etc.. I adored them! If Poser had existed during those years, i wonder... marco...message me with what you want, and i will see what he has...k? ... I mean people... listen to the office gossip for a change... its not any different! okay, my friend and i have a little crap-kickin' business...and, we gossip ALOT...mostly 'cause we have time on our hands. only, we gossip about real folks...like the ones with bones and flesh, 'n painted smiles, overworked prostrates and over-extended lines of credit. but, those folks are REAL, real....i could kick one of them in the shins, and, they could probably sock me in the mouth, or something for doing that. i could say something really hateful to one of them...like the hateful, i am sometimes THINKING when dealing with them. that could get me the mouth that roars, or, my house being burned down. and that's cause, unlike 3d models, or soap opera folks....they exist on the same physical plane as i do. therefore, i must treat them with a few more eggshells...because they are real. they could be, some of them, a bit crazy. i'm too old to be beaten up. all of the above, and, then some. REAL WORLD IS DIFFERENT!!!! i know this. i spend far too many hours there.
The soap opera characters is a good one, too, bijouchat. Likewise, when we get really excited about characters in a movie or TV show. How many Star Wars or Lord of the Rings fans think of their favorite characters in a "real" way? It's all just harmless fun. Heck, my Barbies had soap opera plots going on in their "lives" for a long time. LOL I didn't just change their clothes and bounce them around on their little high heels. I "acted" out complete story lines for them that continued from day to day. They were "real" to me at the time. I guess it was my interest in fiction writing that got started with my dolls' "lives." It doesn't hurt anyone, so why not pretend that they're real? ;) Melanie
Animism. And anthropomorphism... it's as wierd, or no more wierd, depending on how you look at it, than any of the more ancient traditions of calling ships "she" and reffering to them as "her", assigning names and personalities to cars, mystical qualities and names to swords, or names and personalities to hurricanes and typhoons. ;] I agree with melanie: I write fiction also. And my fictional characters develope personalities, quirks, and take on a sense of "who they are" - you can tell when you're writing when you're being true to the character or having them do things that that "person" wouldn't do. 2D and 3D characters can take on the same shape in the mind. You may find it eerie in the gallery, but I'd almost be willing to bet that if you picked up a comic book and saw the writer and artist having Superman murder a helpless child in the storyline... it'd jar, suddenly and sharply. It wouldn't be consistent with the "personality" of Superman, even though "he's" a collection of colors and lines like Vicki is a collection of pixels. "But - Superman wouldn't DO that, dammit!" Lundquivst's Frank, Lee Alverson's Twins, and my William Nighthawk or my Aiolanni and Maziri develope the same kind of consistency in our heads when we work with them - when we do something "out of character" with them, it jars on the imagination. Cracks the suspension of disbelief, just like it would if you were watching Gunsmoke and Matt Dillon suddenly turned into a bad guy. ;]
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OT memory - not related to anything I first saw Harvey on the stage. After the show (which was truly wonderful), I walked out and there was a six foot white rabbit leaning against a lamp post. I nearly fainted. No one else in the exiting crowd seemed to notice but my mother laughed mightily. Later, she was able to buy the portrait of the white rabbit used in the play from the son of the actor who played the main character. And I still have it. I have dabbled in fiction too, and that is, in fact, the reason I started working with Poser. I thought (stupidly) it would help break an ongoing writer's block I have. It didn't but when I write, I hear the characters' voices and see them quite clearly, and I will speak about them as if they are real because (while I'm writing), they are. At least as real as Harvey was to me that night long ago.
The sole purpose of a hobby such as this is so that we can SUSPEND our disbelief, if only for a few moments. It's theraputic - especially in the world as it is today. That's what makes movies the enjoyable things they are. How many folks cried during "E.T."? I know I was a drooling idiot when I left the theater (I was also 16 at the time too ;o)). Of course, I knew that the main character wasn't real, but that didn't diminish my enjoyment of it one bit :o). Laurie
One important difference between play and life is that death doesn't really happen in play. But I'm not sure whether fiction falls on the "play" side. A couple years ago I tried writing some short stories.... found myself so deeply immersed that I couldn't get any sleep or work done. And when one of my characters had to die, I pretty nearly cracked up. Retreated into graphics, which is more like play even when done seriously for pay.
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I've gotten used to it. I'm in marketing and I'm always dealing whith tie in partners discussing in animate characters personalities and what the would or wouldn't do. The strangest was when I was working on McDonald's Happy Meals and I got in a long discussion about whether or not birdie was able to drive a car. Turns out shes old enough for a pilots liscense but not old enough to drive.
Adding my two cents... It doesn't freak me out to see people comment on new variations of the characters because in most of the cases I've seen on here, the comments aren't really about the characters, they're about the artistic achievement. Comments like the one the original poster talks about always come after someone has posted a picture using Poser figures in a different way. When someone says, "I just knew Vicki had a mean streak in her!" or somesuch, what they're really doing is paying the artist a compliment on a successful (realistic) rendering that demonstrates yet another use for these fabulous models. I don't think it's anthropomorphic, it's simple appreciation for someone's hard work. To me the nice thing about such comments is that they cut both ways. For every comment like "Vicki sure looks mad!", you see an equal number of comments like "Better check your morph settings; Vicki's breasts look a little too big for that blouse". The first is a mark of success (which with this program is usually measured as realism), the second is an indication that some improvement could be made. That's not freaky; that's honest and constructive criticism. It's one of the reasons why I like this site.
One thing people forget is that human beings, themselves, on so many levels, are nothing but data. What is the soul? It is completely intangible, and impossible to define, but nearly everyone who believes in some form of soul agrees that it is a part of being human. What are our minds? Either part of the soul, and thus intangible, or the thoughts and memories of the soul, retained in the body. As what? As raw data. Bits and bytes to the massively powerful organic computer we all have, the brain. If someone dies, is the body also gone? No. The mind and soul (if you believe in souls) are gone, but the body, what is tangible, is left behind. Nothing but a husk. Looking deeper, and looking at quantum mechanics, we look at quarks. Quarks, for those not up on QM, are the sub-particles all other forms of particle are composed of, and thus the building blocks for everything. According to current thory, quarks are standing vibrations in the fabric of the universe. Things "touch" and "Collide" not because there's really anything there, but because the vibrations react to the other vibrations, like ripples in a pond. We are all made up of nothing but ripples in the fabric of space and time, and thus nothing about us is truly tangible. On another note, is not sound merely a vibration? Then that makes a grain of sand billion part harmony, and the Universe is the greatest symphony ever written. My point is, the difference between what is "real" and what is not is a lot thinner than many people believe. And one day we all will know just how 'real' we were. steps off of his soapbox. Now, when it comes to digital characters, I like to assign personalities to the characters I create. It helps define them, to give them more of a sense of presence, at least to me. I even went so far as to include a shortstory about one of my characters in the MP with the zipfile. Just slapping morphs together does not give a 'character' a sense of character. But if the character is to have a sense of reality, then there must be a personality with it. "Jaliea" and "Arvenyn" (names just made up) might both be Elven characters, very similar in terms of the basic morphs used. But the first may be softer, indicating a more peaceful, contemplative 'elf', while the other has a harder edge to both the morphs, and to any poses included, representing a more warrior 'elf'. Without personality and a form of life, even if it's within the creator's mind, a character simply is not a character. It is what others have already called them, a collection of data in close approximation of a representation of a human form. Lifeless, apparantly soulless, and not useful to me at all. The soul of the character I use does not come from the mesh, but from the potential for life I percieve in the mesh, and nurture to fruition.
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I assign personalities to my characters too. They exist in my head... its not any more freaky than what any other artist or novelist does. I use poser to help give life to characters and stories that already exist in my mind for some time. If you do it with words, or paintbrushes, or pencil, or clay... or POSER!!! And its a valid use for the program. Anyone that thinks this is weird, needs to study the human condition a bit more. We always make up characters and stories, human beings are natural mythmakers. I don't think its weird, I think its natural. Its what ...gasp... real people do. And if you can't appreciate the volumes of fictional characters created through several millenia of human civilisation, I think that says something about the lack of imagination of that person, certainly not of the human race as a whole. I love to see people exercise their imagination and create characters to tell stories. The more believable the characters and stories, the better artist/writer this person is. (even in fantasy/sci-fi you create a world of rules that allows the viewer to 'believe' your story too.)
This is just ever so mild. Ever talk to your car? Your computer? Your Lawyer? A salesman? That's all the same because none of them are real and I see folks talking, sometimes even yelling at them at the top of their lungs! The scary part is that all these things actually talk back and sometimes they never shut up!!
I see that several of you have been using Poser for the same reason I started using it: to give me a visualization of my fiction characters. I've developed my characters so vividly through Poser that my writing has actually improved in a great way. I'm able to describe my characters' physical appearance down to the tiniest details now, when before, they were like ghosts in my imagination. My characters are very real to me. If they weren't, I couldn't write about them. Every writer gives their characters life or their stories wouldn't work at all. I have a long series of stories written around the same set of characters which spans over a 30-year time period. The only way I've been able to keep connected to them is to frequently render images of them in Poser. The more I render them, the more "real" they become to me. Friends who have read the stories have commented on how real they seem to them. Poser gets the credit for some of that. It literally brought my "people" to life for me. And I have to say that there are times when I would prefer the company of my characters to some of the people I have to work with at my office. There are a couple of completely useless, overpaid managers there whose CR2's everyone would love to see deleted from the character directory. LOL Melanie
Melanie, I really congratulate you at being able to use Poser like that. It was what I hoped to accomplish with Poser and was unsuccessful. The Poser graphics have a bad habit of going off in a direction separate from anything I'm writing (due no doubt to a lack of discipline and ability on my part in both graphics and writing). I think it is true that, for writers, visualizing characters into reality is part of the process of creating stories. To me, doing a graphic is like creating a scene in a play. Because I'm not an artist, I tend to think in terms of drama rather than art design. And drama requires emotion, and emotion requires a connection to characters that have some dimension beyond height, width, and depth, so thinking of the Poser characters temporarily as real takes no effort. Do you ever wander over to the Writer's Forum? Some of the discussion here would be of great interest to that group as well since many of them are both artists and writers.
Dialyn: "The Poser graphics have a bad habit of going off in a direction separate from anything I'm writing (due no doubt to a lack of discipline and ability on my part in both graphics and writing)." Interesting. Maybe it's not a matter of discipline, though. Maybe your Poser characters are not really the same people as the written ones, and thus their lives necessarily run on a different course. More generally, I don't see much difference between my thinking about a human, my teddy bear, or Renderosibee. In each case I apply an invented personality to the external creature and treat it as alive. The only difference is that the human can surprise me (positively or negatively) by failing to match my invention.
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Does it freak anyone else out when you see other people referring to Poser models AS IF they're REAL people? With REAL personalities? I get frightened when I see: Oh, thank ya _____ for lettin' me see Yarlanda's WILD SIDE. No offense - but it's just freaky... I get scared when I see people treating something that's not real and intangible like it's a real person. That's just... masugana.