Maybe one like to translate it for the others but actually it is a german text I posted in a discussion on heise online about Bryce. You know there are many find us crazy to use such a "baby-3d-software" instead one of the big highlevel packages. So I thought I should say something about what Bryce is for me. http://www.heise.de/newsticker/foren/go.shtml?list=1&forum_id=45464 It is from the thread "Digitales Hausfrauengepinsel" ------ F mich kommt Kunst von Knen. Aber nicht allein von rein handwerklichem Knen alleine. Die Kunst eine Idee Realit werden zu lassen. Die Kunst Emotionen in einem Bild auszudrken, welcher Stilmittel man sich dazu auch bedient. Bilder kann man lieben, ignorieren, hassen, aber sie sind doch immer ein Abbild eines emotionalen Zustandes des Schaffenden. Konstruierte 3D Szenen haben das nicht an sich, sie sind emotionslos kalt und nahezu verletzend perfekt. Hier sitzt nicht ein Kstler vor dem Computer, sondern ein Meshkonstrukteur, der mathematisch genaue Objekte erstellt. Mehr Ingenieur als Kstler, egal wie man es sieht. Das ist nicht der Weg wie Bryce arbeitet. Bryce ist ein Intuitionsmodeller, ein 3d Kreativitsverstker, der zum Experimentieren und Probieren einl. Wer sich damit auskennt, der schafft es in Minuten Bilderwelten entstehen zu lassen, die eben nicht steril perfekt, aber gerade deswegen oft wesentlich ausdrucksvoller sind. So wie sich Computermalerei in der Regel von herkmlicher Malerei unterscheidet. Selbst langjrige Profis mit Bryce entdecken immer wieder neue Methoden, um damit Dinge zu realisieren, die selbst mit Highendmodellern kaum machbar scheinen. Siehe eben die Methode HDRI in Bryce zu realisieren, Radiosity so perfekt zu simulieren, daman den Unterschied zu einem Programmfeature teuerer Programme nicht mehr sieht. Selbst Globalillumination wird auf einem kleinen und nicht sehr komplizierten Umweg machbar. Das macht Bryce auch mit aus: Bryce als 3D Labor f immer neue Tricks und Kniffe. ------ If Corel likes to know how to sell Bryce...maybe they should read what Bryce really is...not only a 3d Software like many... Thomas

Hi Thomas, as said before - a very well done statement. Nothing to add for me, 100% agree. Isn't that weird... some people using MAX or Cinema or whatever look down to the BRycers and call us kindergarden or "Housewife paintings". Some, not all of course. I never saw somebody using Bryce look down on others. We Brycers are not selfish and close-minded; we help each other and share our joy together. Take care, Jimi

I use different programs for 3d but most are kind of work to use...Bryce is fun. Maybe it needs an open mind to be able to have fun and that is the difference ;-) Maybe... Soon I will start opening my own gal to show some of my work. What most don't know: I was long time very ill and can't use my hands as I liked. Yet after some surgery in january and april it start's to work again for me ;-) Thomas

That's cool to hear, Thomas. I'm looking forward to see your works - get well soon! J.

Just ran it through Babelfish, I agree with your interpretation of what bryce is. I have always referred to it as the virtual camera that lets me take pictures of the virtual worlds inside my head. Glad to hear that things are on the mend and look forward to your works popping up in the gallery!

Here is a Rough translation of what he is saying: "For me, art of ability comes. But not alone of purely skilled-labor ability alone. Let become the art an idea reality. To express the art emotions in a picture, which style means one makes use of in addition also. One can love pictures, can ignore, hate, but they are yet always a copy of an emotional condition of the creating. Constructed 3D scenes have not that at itself, they are emotion loose cold and almost offensively perfect. Here an artist does not sit before the computer, but rather a Meshkonstrukteur that mathematically exact objects generates. More engineer as an artist, equal like one it sees. That is not the way as well as Bryce works. Bryce is an Intuitionsmodeller, a 3d creativity amplifier, that for experimenting and trying einl. He who is knowledgeable therewith, that creates emerge are more expressive it in minutes pictures worlds to let, that just not sterile perfectly, but just therefore often substantially. So how computer painting differs as a rule of conventional painting. Even long-time pros with Bryce discover again and again new methods in order to realize therewith things, that seem even with Highendmodellern hardly doable. To realize see just the method HDRI in Bryce, to simulate Radiosity so perfectly that one sees the difference to a Programmfeature of expensive programs no longer. Even global illumination becomes on a little and not very complicated detour doable. That settles Bryce also with: Bryce as 3D laboratory for always new tricks and would pinch. " I agree.

I think it's fear that makes max/cinema users try to intimidate Brycers/poserers. Fear of the fact that what they see as a toy in the right hands can be far more powerful than the monster program they use. Not only that but these programs are so easy to use compared to max/cinema & others that we users can do pretty much the same types of art they can in half the time & with half the effort. Can the highend modelling programs create the same types of 3d worlds that Bryce can without having to resort to expensive plugins? I don't think so.

I also agree with what you say here Thomas. Be well!

Thank you...and well...we all should start the "Rescue Bryce" to make Corel thinking about "a non existing" market again. Who will start creating the logo and t-shirts? ;-) Thomas

The funny thing is, that usually when "high enders" speaks about Bryce, its always something like, "...yeah, its so limited. Ive used it for 4 months and blabla blabla blabla...bla..." Those are the times really want to stick my neck out and scream "LEARN TO USE THE APP PROPERLY MORONS!!!" But for the record, ive met some very open minded high enders as well, especially at 3D Total. So fortunatly theres still some hope for sanity in the 3D world. :)

I think one thing that sets Brycers apart from some high end users is that we put heart and soul into the art we make and try to convey emotions and reality. My wish for Bryce is that someone with heart and soul will buy Bryce and take it to the next step, the place where Corel could have taken it if they could see what Bryce really is, instead of only seeing the financial value of it. Someone said a while ago that when a program is dropped, after a period of time, the code becomes open to all. Does anyone have any more information on this? Catlin

Before Corel decided to work on Bryce 5, Eric the first creator of Bryce said, that he had a new complete ready new Bryce to publish. I remember that it was in one of the 3d magazins I read but not sure where it was. He said that he would publish it if Corel stop Bryce. Eric Wengler, right? Anyone has an idea where to find him? Hm...software with heart...yes I remember that I said something similar times ago. Corel lost the ability to create a glow in the eyes of their users, the "WOW" I must have that. Thomas

why doesn't he grab bryce back from them & breathe some love/life back into it? It's always the same tho, the little guy creates something special, then sells it to a big company who can "help it grow" & they just waste it. :(

Well..Corel want some Millions. One can not pay but the community could maybe. Buy it free like Blender. But even if we all can together buy Bryce, who should pay the work on Bryce 6? Thomas

This has been discussed before Thomas and it was Doc Mojo who had an interest in buying Bryce then. What he said at that time was that Corel were asking too much for it and even if all Brycers world wide were to put up some money we would still never have enough to fullfill what Corel wanted. Although at that time it wasn't so clear if Corel were going to keep Bryce alive or not. Catlin

I remember that Corel one day said something between 1 and 2 Mio $...US oder Canadian Dollars? How many interested Brycers we know? Maybe it is cheaper to buy the fileformatcode and not the rest. So one could create a compatible software able to import brycescenes. Thomas

Wombat, It was US dollars. "Hausfrauengepinsel" Don't you just love the way the german language uses neologisme(sp?). The problem with only buying the fileformat code would be that the buyer is forced to make a completely new program around it. Much of the science behind the bryce coding is still under copyright if you would only buy the format and not the rest of the program. Don't worry, Bryce will live on for a while even with the code still in Corels claws and without updates.

Even if no new versions are forthcoming for a while, I'm content to continue using Bryce5. I like it that much...

Even if a new bryce6 doesnt come out, Isnt the programme limited to ones imagination? How much do you know about the version your running now before you want the new one??? :)

Yes & No. We can all imagine pretty much anything but the program we use isn't always able to produce our visions the way we see them. So we push the program to it's limits trying to find ways to make it do what we want. Then in the next version the developers add the things we've found as proper features for us to use. But the cycle starts all over again from there with the users trying to find the next "pot of gold". Without the developers supporting the program & adding the new features we users create/find it will stagnate & people will lose interest & move to the nearest rival, ending with the death of the original program.

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Bryce will live on until we reach an OS that won't work with it, and this will only be a problem if Corel still refuse to give us support in the form of patches. Catlin