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Poser - OFFICIAL F.A.Q (Last Updated: 2024 Nov 13 11:02 am)
here's an interesting tidbit... I just received via email an offer from e-on to purchase Vue4.2 for $99 ...this offer is for Poser users. there is a ricirocal arrangement for Vue users to purchase Poser5 for $149... I already bought Vue4 in a similar offer for Bryce users. its a great program, and at $99 is a steal.
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$99?! I paid...a lot more. But it was still worth it. IMO, nothing beats Vue for Poser compatibility. And it's very easy to learn. Easier than Poser. And quicker and more stable when it comes to doing big, complicated renders. I love it. The only drawback is that E-on is kind of clueless when it comes to support. sometimes, it's hard to even give them your money. They mean well, but they can be very disorganized.
In spite of some relatively minor problems, I can't speak highly enough of the Poser/Vue combo.
I just bought Vue a few weeks ago. It was Vue's new P5 compatibility that sold me.
From now on, I am going to be doing all of my posing in P5, but ALL of my rendering in Vue.
As I mentioned in another thread in the Vue forum: It's a pleasure to watch a complex P5 scene render in Vue, WITHOUT LOCKING UP!
Amazing....astounding....impossible.
But, no more infuritating P5 render lock-ups to deal with! And Vue is MUCH faster.
P5/Vue. All the way.
For those of you without Vue, you don't know what you are missing. Buy it.
(And, no, I don't work for e-on.).
I totally share everyone's enthusiasm about using Poser with Vue. It's a happy marriage. I've never had problems that merited contacting e-on, but for many issues, there's plenty of support right here in the Vue forum and Back Room. They're great resources. There are some outstanding Vue landscape artists who don't have Poser or never use it with Vue, but for much of what I want to do it's necessary to use 'em together.
Okay, I've read this thread with interest, but two questions: 1.)Can Vue handle the atmosphere stuff that Poser 5 does so beautifully? 2.) is Vue still worth taking on as a render engine if you aren't doing big background scenes, but simply want a better render engine for your Poser scenes that have lots of props and light settings that make it render slowly in Poser?
Hi pookah, I can answer #2 see this: ambushed This image was posed in Poser, and the entire scene imported to Vue for lighting and rendering. Disregard the smoke and beam, that was done in postwork. IMHO, I think vue's lighting is lot better than poser's
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All the above statements about Vue are right on in my opinion. It is a very good program that only lacks good customer support. But I have seen it said more than once that Vue does not import Poser5 dynamic hair and cloth. This is true about the hair but I have imported Poser5 dynamic cloth animations and it works quite well. This is using the Vue 4.2 update.
I haven't installed the very latest update, because as it is, I can use Vue with both Poser 4 and 5. As I understand it, if I installed the update, I'd have to choose one or the other. When I import dynamic cloth, it comes in, but it doesn't conform to the figure correctly. Close, but not exact. Dynamic hair doesn't come in at all. Still, it's a minor detail. I don't work with dynamic cloth that often. They said they will support it eventually, and I'm sure they will.
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One small issue that I have had to deal with: watch out for the "texture cloning" problem that can occur when importing a Poser scene into Vue (See this thread in the Vue forum).But, there is a workaround.
And Vue renders are beautiful.
Buy Vue.
Can Vue use Poser 5 materials at all? I downloaded the 4.2 demo but it only seems to import the old fashioned P4 style materials, not the new shader node based materials. Also, it says you can "grow realistic vegetation" but all I can find is a small set of pre-prepared plant props. Can you actually make your own vegetation or are you stuck with what they offer?
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Ajax; What you're stuck with are plant -species-. Solid Growth(tm) is a system where the plants are defined by parameters, so that you could create a dozen of them, and no two would be the same (there may be a repeat point somewhere, but it's out there a bit). One of the things being agitated for are more species....
E-on said when they released the latest update that it did not support cloth (or hair). In fact, their web site still says that: "Certain features such as hair and cloth are not supported in this release." Can you use both PP and P5 at the same time with update? I was told at the time of the release that you had to choose one or the other, at the time you ran the patch. (Because it only looks in one directory for textures and such.) The only way to switch directories (i.e., versions of Poser) was to run the update patch again. Plants...at the moment, the plants available within Vue itself are very limited, and you can't make your own. I gather the new, more expensive version lets you make your own vegetation, but the $99 version doesn't. They've promised to make more species available at their web site, some for free, some for $10, but so far, there isn't much. Vue can import trees and such made with XFrog and other programs. If you look in Free Stuff, you'll see a few nice plants made for Vue. And you can of course import any trees and such made for Poser.
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I did a few trees from RDNA in Vue...these were imported as pa3 files into Vue...no post...straight Vue render. The new P5 materials will not work in Vue. I've tried this...there is a thread here about that somewhere as well. In order for that to happen, Vue would have to use the same material system. It does import directly P4/PP/P5 pz3 files with the noteexceptions on the p5 hair, cloth, and materials.
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All things connect......Chief Seattle,
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Humankind has not
woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it.
Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves. All things are bound
together.
All things connect......Chief Seattle,
1854
Please note: the Vue render required about 1 minute. The Poser render required about 2.5 minutes.
Please note: I am new to Vue. About 1 month experience. Some of the true Vue artists can do this far better than I. But, to me, these quick renders, with mostly default settings ((except to add a spotlight in the Vue render, and to lighten the P5 render in postwork)) show a fundamental difference in rendering capabilities between the two programs. Take your pick - but I, for one, vote for Vue.
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If anybody is still reading this thread.... I have been using Vue and Poser since the beginning of Vue 4. I like the control Vue offers to position lights and fine tune lighting. I made a comparison between the two a while ago. This link is for the poser version.Attached Link: http://www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=124187&Start=37&Artist=agiel&ByArtist=Yes
And this link is for the Vue equivalent.Attached Link: http://www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=506501&Start=1&Artist=agiel&ByArtist=Yes
But this is not a good example as I happen to prefer the softer feel of the poser version :) So, to illustrate the power of Vue lighting with Poser scenes, here is a final example ...This site uses cookies to deliver the best experience. Our own cookies make user accounts and other features possible. Third-party cookies are used to display relevant ads and to analyze how Renderosity is used. By using our site, you acknowledge that you have read and understood our Terms of Service, including our Cookie Policy and our Privacy Policy.
I was building this huge city in poser, all time wasted now, because building the city in Vue is much more easier and system resource friendly... still, some of the buildings are actually Poser .pz3 scenes imported into Vue, they integrate so well...
I sound like a commercial for vue, but it's just that I'm really happy that I can overcome the frustration caused by Poser... Poser is great for that: for Posing, but for everything else, you have to outsource, definately... Vue is still flawed, but not as much as Poser.
and I'm glad that Vue actually renders only what's on screen, and it's not rendering that whole offscreen mountain on your back while you're trying to render a small ball prop in front of you...
still, Vue on its own probably wouldn't be that great, so I'm just recognizing the amazing power you can get by mixing both programs... that whole building in the back is just a solid block with a Glass window material (or was it glass tower?)...
so if you need to do heavy stuff with poser like me (I'm making a graphic novel, the post is somewhere else here at 'rosity) and you haven't ever tried Vue, well, give it a try.
gosh, and I ended up sounding like a Vue salesman anyway... darnit.
Max