Attached Link: http://library.rendervisions.com/renderositymessage.html

I am completely disgusted by the message to me. I am not one to stirr up trouble but this is horrendous! Rendervisions.com has worked hard to get where we are today a fast growing art community that has just put up its own Marketplace. Is this the true reason we were wiped off of the webring?

Please know I love it here! I have allways tried to do whatever I can for this community. I have given my heart and soul into my 3D work and grown here.

I dont say much But I am going to speak up when I have been accused of something like that!

Thank you for listening
Much Love
Lady Cherry

Prev Rnd Next
Prev5 List Next5

I wish I could say I'm suprised.. But I'm not suprised. When people are treated as doing something wrong because they do TOO well, there's a problem.

Personally, I don't find it surprising. Do I think you did anything wrong? No. Lately rendervisions has been having alot of people dropping around because its a new community that has promise. I know I've recommended several people there.

Totally absurd!! Does Renderosity actually believe that no site can do well? Or rather a few people within the upper ranks.... I still like Renderosity, but this kind of thing is going too far....even if they are simply trying to keep people from buying there.

Rendervisions is an excellent community. And Renderosity shouldent be afraid of some HONEST competition, LC Deserves better then that, she should be getting a trophy for the work shes put into Rendervisions not a backstab.

Sorry, I meant that r'visions has had alot of dropping by.

Lady C, I have the highest respect for your work and I know you've contributed a huge amount of stuff to the poser community over the years. It's very sad that you should be accused of something like this, especially since you known to be one of the more honest members of the poser communities. I notice that no shred of proof is offered for this accusation, nor is there anything in the mail that you could pin down as being a fact. It all seems to be based on very dodgy deductions. Sherlock Holmes would NOT approve. mac

mac, is this the first time they've made decisions on a hunch and no evidence? no

hummm- another new store- another new place for ppl to go

I am not surprised either. It seems to me that Renderosity is not able to handle the amount of "growth" it is experiencing. It is using the "cut" cost approach to increase its profit margin. Anything deemed costly for them it tries to weed out. I've been following this "trend" since August of this year, and I believe it is still on going. I read more and more disturbing threads every so often about Renderosity's mistreatment to its members; some of them had contributed greatly to this community. It saddens me that this community has turned into a business environment rather than one that's for learning and sharing. I've gradually moved my buying habits to other sites, whom offer their merchants a better cut, in support of the artists who's spent their talents and time on their products/artworks. I feel for you, Lady Cherry. Business is not a personal thing, it is just business. In time, if enough customers feel it is unethical. The injustice done will take care of itself. JV

Lady Cherry... disgusting is right! and that might be an understatement. What a shame that people such as you who really helped build this site by your contributions and participation over the years should receive such shabby treatment. I hope it is all a horrible misunderstanding and that it will be remedied. Your site is great, and I wish you the best success possible.

well maybe they just did not catch the fact your site existed under its old name and so, earned all the members from its previous "existance" :) many people have hard time swalowing the concept of reincarnation :) well when i see the traffi i had on my dumb worthless website for the first 2 months (before the stats system of my host went mad and not deliver accurate stats anymore) i was frigthened at the amoutn of hits (a pointless number) and the bandwith traffic (more relevant)... 8 gb in 2 months it is insane, i even am glad my host did not dump me for that :) so i have no difficulty understanding how/why your own site went so popular indeed

This is sad lady cherry. I hope everything gets worked out.

Maybe people just started doing what I did...R'City was so slow for 2 or 3 weeks (or so), so I spent my time at other places (like Rendervisions...where I bought that luscious cutie and downloaded a lot of freebies!) Hang in there young Lady (Cherry)!

This is a shame really - a shame for Renderosity. It seems they don't care for their good name anymore. I hope someone will read this and straighten things out. Nitras

Well, I don't know how adept their server admins are, but it's pretty damn easy to check for cheaters to a toplist or webring. They're called server logs. I bet if they check their logs, and the referring IP's that are coming from your site, they'll see no foul play. Cheaters to webrings and toplists usually use Anonymous Proxy bots to fake hits to a site. Anonymous Proxies are EASILY detectable, and can be compared to a list of known bot proxies to get a definitive answer about cheating. Also, it's pretty easy to get a programmer to add a few lines of code to any script that would make it virtually cheat proof. It's not hard to deny hits from the same IP in a 24 hour period, or to simply bock hits from anon proxy IP's and not count them in the toplist. I'm surprised this is even a concern with 'Rosity, considering how long they've been in the e-commerce biz.

I would be interested in the proof also LC.

Saddened, but unfortunately not shocked.

Sounds pretty lame to me .. unfortunately its the same all over the world. You do well, and they knock you down. All people want is for you to be "average" and along the same lines as everyone else. If your product is great and people keep coming back for more, they see that as a threat in some weird way and retaliate against it. Lame, but not very surprising.

watches silently

Ack! looks nervously over should 'cause I know how the 'overworked' can be sometimes (wink)

errrr.... "shouldER". (ugh!)

Well as a member of Lady C's site I am so pissed that renderosity offers no proof of their accusations. Funny but I thought that in this country you are suppose to be proven guilty by a preponderance of evidence. I can say this much that in support for Lady C I will no longer purchase Items from them. If I do find something I like I will contact the creater directly and hope something can be worked out. Shame on you Rosity and remember this what goes around always comes around.

LOLOL! I'm sorry, but I just have to be amused by this. Now I'm working on the assumption that this is plain old-fashioned incompetence rather than a conspiracy, and frankly, that makes it hilarious. Why? Lady Cherry was already an established column of the community when I joined several years ago! Combine that with the " We have extensive experience in the amount of time it takes for a site to move up to the number two spot" statement, and we have a Kati-chan ROTFL'ing. What can I say? I'm easily amused.

I just keep wondering if Renderosity is on a mission to piss off and alienate as many members as possible... It WILL cut down on site traffic, though. bonni (no longer at ALL surprised about ANYthing they do here)

Very interesting... I really don't know what to think other than someone may have utterly misinterpreted or misunderstood Lady Cherry's / Rendervision's legitimate stats. She and her site - from its birth as Poserosity to its metamorphosis into Rendervisions has proven longevity and presence on the web. She's come a long way for herself and her site and had to endure setbacks not of her creating. Not to mention she's a very generous and all around nice lady.

I know for a FACT that this isn't the first time an RO representative (employee/volunteer) has acted beyond the bounds of legal interpretation or full & proper knowledge of all pertaining facts. I'm hoping that this will come to light, that her webrings stats can be returned to her, and that a huge apology is given.

I hope Lyrra or others here can forward this thread to those in charge before it gets out of hand. I'm also surprised at the direct and seemingly-unsubstantiated claim that Lady Cherry received, but I just don't believe that there's any great conspiracy behind Renderosity's actions. Let's hear their reasoning behind this before everyone starts packing their bags. SnowS

~just blinks and waits to read more shaking her head~

This thread has been brought to the Admins attention. They are looking into it. I'll let you all know as much as I can as soon as I get any information Lyrra

I must say this has peaked my interest. Hopefully it is all a mistake, that somehow it was missed that the site had a name change. I went over and had a look see, alot of what is offered there, I have seen go through here. It would be a sin to think that this would not get worked out and put right. Just my two cents....

Lady C, Just joined up over at Rendervisions to show my support for your contribution to the 3D and Poser community :) For one, I'm glad there are alternatives.

ditto, lady c. i've just joined, too.

Good - another Poser site...just joined up

Lady C - I've joined but I'm err... getting lots of errors trying to do anything... (for instance, entering the forum I get... Warning: Cannot add header information - headers already sent by (output started at /home/rendervisions/web/header.php:32) in /home/rendervisions/web/includes/sessions.php on line 251) Might just be a temporary glitch :) As for the rest of all this... It's silly. I love the people round here and I would hate to lose this community, but I'm starting to care less and less for what goes on. I'm a customer darnit. I buy stuff. Ok, what I buy may only be pocketchange, but... I'm starting to get fed up with the stuff I keep seeing and I've come here for years, if you want to check my User ID. It's been around for god only knows how long. I'd say 4 years or more at least. It's only been in the last 6 or so months that things have started to rapidly go downhill (or maybe I just didn't notice) What gives???

Rendervisions? hadn't heard of that one, looks like I'll be wandering over for a peek shortly too ;)

Sounds to me like a classic case of shooting first and asking questions later.

Hmm... I just registered in Rendervisions as well :)

... and bookmarked Rendervisions as well :) Seems like a good publicity stunt to me :) Only joking, in truth I'm appalled by the email rosity admins sent to LC.

Wow... Renderosity is censoring something... now that's suprising... (Did you catch the rolling of the eyes and sarcastic tone of voice) While I love the community and thank everyone here for their help, the admins here have the trigger finger of Billy the Kid. That's the problem with having no accountability.... you can pretty much do whatever you want and not worry about. If I treated the users at my company even a fraction of the way some of the admins treat people here... I'd be fired in a heartbeat. Why? Accountability. I'm held responsible for my mistakes. Are they here? Nope. I guess that's why it's good to be a god... you don't have to answer to anyone.... and you can blame everything on the devil.

Hi Lady C, I am very sorry to hear of this action and am on my way to visit your site. It sounds wonderful! Warm Regards, Nancy Deer With Horns (SophiaDeer)

Oh get over it it's not worth it, us little monkeys are at the bottom of the tree your pissing from!

DarkMatter_ Spoken like a true noob.

Absolutly horendous!!!!! shakes head....I didn't know about this site either....now that I'm registered :). Another place to shop....WHOOOOHOOOOO.

"If I treated the users at my company even a fraction of the way some of the admins treat people here... I'd be fired in a heartbeat. Why? Accountability. I'm held responsible for my mistakes. Are they here? Nope." And nobody really cares. They bitch about it for a little while and then forget all about it. The only time people REALLY care is if it's affecting them, personally, in a profound way. Little pokes and prods, especially if they happen to someone else, can be blown off pretty easily... bonni

Not true Elizabyte... I remember when there was just one main Poser community site... but they did some things that pissed people off and there was a split... some people went one way... some people went another... You've only been at Renderosity for a little over a year... us old timers remember a very big split in the Poser community that happened because people in charge didn't listen to the people of the community enough. It's still somewhat like the Hatfields and the McCoys with some members of Renderosity and 3DCommune. However, the nice thing that came out of it was that there ARE now two main poser community sites...

I count more than that....and none of them are perfect, because they are all run by falliable people. I visit at least four of what I consider vibrant communities; a fifth I don't because I made a mistake and the owner, instead of being gracious, decided she wanted me to grovel at her feet for my sins. Sorry, no grovelling. And no shopping there. But people have plenty of choices, and I find all I need and want at the others I visit. And that's true of all of us. I honestly think, and this represents my viewpoint only, that Renderosity as an entity is going through some changes and changes are never problem free. I hope this one is resolved because I do think Lady Cherry has a point....but I also think a better, more descriptive subject heading and posting in the Forum News and Team Contact would have had more potential for getting a response from the adminsitrators. Fortunately Lyrra has taken care of bringing it their attention, and I hope, I really do, that this can be resolved civilly. I can hope. Because I don't think name calling gets us anywhere.

Dialyn... I say two main Poser communities because these two sprung from the original "main" poser community. There are definatley more, although some are more specialized, like Renderotica (erotica)and Animotions (comics). Still, I doubt with as many regular members as 3DCommune and Renderosity.

Actually I think you're both wrong ookami & dialyn, Renderosity is not a community nor is any other site that anyone cares to mention. The poser community is the people who visit the sites & who use poser. The people running rosity need a reality check once in a while, rosity is not the entire universe when it comes to poser, never has been & never will be.

Good point c1rcle... The community is the people... Renderosity and 3DCommune and the others are just places to meet.

As a matter of fact, I've had an account here since 2000. I was offline and away from the communities for a little over a year when I was pregnant (difficult pregnancy) and when I came back here, my membership had expired, so I had to renew it (and that's where the visible date comes from) If you could see my purchase history, you'd see it goes back to 2000. My purchase history at 3D Commune also goes back to 2000. My purchase history with DAZ goes back to before they were DAZ (i.e., the Zygote days). My point was that the majority of users here don't seem to care much what goes on. They come, they shop, they may drop in on the forums (or not; I didn't use the forums until pretty recently), they don't care much about the behind-the-scenes activities and politics. Certainly not enough to actually do much about it (other than bitch a little bit). Basically, the admins can do pretty much whatever they want, without accountability. Now and then, yes, small groups break off and form new sites/stores, but still, Renderosity trundles on doing the same old same old. That's basic human nature, though. I don't expect any more or less from human beings than to be human. bonni

Sad, but not exactly surprising. You can always count on Renderosity for entertainment.