Thank you all for your support!
I have been around a long time here at renderosity. since all of the splits before they had a marketplace and everything! I have been a member of thier webring for some time. Our site has grown immensly and I still come here to see everyones artwork and post my own free stuff as much as possible.
If any of you know me you would know that I would NEVER ever do anything cheating or hacking or whatever to get to 2nd on the webring. I have allways offered everything I have to renderosity and I am glad that those of you that have commented have seen that.

I do hope this is a Large misunderstanding because I am completely disgusted and hurt by this message sent to me.
As some of you know i sat in tears last night after I read it because I felt as though It was a direct stab.
I did not know how else to express these feelings other than to post this message on the boards.

Thank you to all that have read this and commented. I appreciate all your support and kind words.

Much Love
-Lady Cherry

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Shakes my head. I really wish admins correct this issue and place the Rendervisions back to the place where it was in Web Ring.

My dictionary says a community "...is a a group of people living in the same locality and under the same government. The district or locality in which such a group lives. OR A group of people having common interests: the scientific community; the international business community. A group viewed as forming a distinct segment of society: the gay community; the community of color. The fact that we all visit (or virtually "live" on) the same site and abide (more or less) by the rules of that site, makes us a community of sorts. We don't all have common interests, beyond all using Poser. The site seems to me to be more of a commonality than the product we use. I have very little in common with the graphic artists who use Poser purely for pinups or fantasy, for example, but I still have in common with them that we post in the same gallery. But that's a personal opinion. And I respect the fact we will not agree on this one.

I'm on Renderosity a lot. Not quite my home page, but that's only because I like to follow the news. I've been watching it for the past few months as it struggles to come to grips with it's own growth. Lately, it seems, if something can go wrong here it will. First, the vendor percentage dispute and some good stores being pulled, then the decline in quality in the MP (still some very good stuff, but not as much as there used to be), the hardware/software issues that seem to have slowed the 'sity down, and taken it offline. Banning some major contributers. Cutting down the number of uploads (although I do agree with that). Now removing a respectable site from the webring because it's grown too much, without consulting the site's owner beforehand. It seems like the 'sity is shooting itself in the foot. More and more of my friends seem to have stopped posting, or post very infrequently. The more things like this happen, the less likely vendors will broker here or post free stuff. The fewer vendors with quality items, the less business here. The less business, the more cutbacks and forum traffic. It's true that most people don't really care about the internal politics here, but they are affected when the people who do, who also produce products and freestuff, go somewhere else. Not a good picture. I hope that the 'sity soon reevaluates this specific problem. It may be that one mod was having a bad day, or just didn't recognize the site. ...sigh...

I personally don't think you have done anything you shouldn't have done (that's not worth much, I know, but I haven't believed that for a moment). I really hope this is resolved soon. Take care.

I've only been Pose-ing for about 6 months. With all of the sites for Poser stuff somehow I had not found Rendervisions.... until now. One of the first things I saw there is exactly what I need for a scene. It may be here but I found it there first. 1 more new Rendervisions member...

Lady Cherry, I know it isn't obvious from Lyrra's post, but she is trying to find out what's going on in the back room. I don't have any more information than she does right now, but I don't want you to feel like your (well deserved) concern was being ignored. I hadn't chimed in until now because I was hoping there would be an answer for you this morning. Unfortunately, I haven't seen one yet, but I don't want you to think a lack of answer is a lack of caring. I don't know when Asher is usually available here - I'm trusting that he hasn't seen this thread nor Lyrra's question in the back yet. I'm very sorry that this happened, but I do ask that you give us a little more time to find out what's going on. Thanks, Cres

Renderosity did not remove the link to Rendervisions to stifle competition. We believe Renderosity is just a part of a larger 2D/3D community, and we have a web ring to help promote other sites that share our interest in computer generated art. Our web ring has 3 factors: members referred in 30 days, members referred for all time, and all time visits. These factors are weighted to calculate a sites position in our web ring. Based on many years of statistics, we know there is a ratio to visits with the ones that become members. This ratio does not vary much. In this case, we can see that the ratio for visits versus their referrals that actually join are extremely different than all the other sites participating in our web ring. Since there were questions about how the amount of visits accelerated so quickly in a short amount of time, we felt it is only fair to other sites in our web ring to re-set the Rendervision statistics. Since we do not have a way to just reset a sites statistics to zero, we had to remove and have the site re-join the web ring. The site is already back in the web ring and we will watching for any possible issues, so we can address concerns quickly. Below is part of our web ring Terms & Conditions. "People found trying to abuse the Web Ring in any way, or creating fraudulent accounts to boost their ranking, will be deleted from the Web Ring and possibly banned from the community. We reserve the right to pull any link at any time." thanks, --Asher Renderosity Admin

This is absolutly rediculous. Considering I also did not recieve a message from you privatly either I find it completely unprofessional. And still you continue to accuse. You did not ask or mention to notice the amount of hits our site has. This is an obvious factor! Also before our site was rendervisions you would have also noticed it was poserosity. Recieveing many many hits. Because people did not sign up to your site and hit your site through Ours does not mean anything. Unbelieveable! Still I am accused or Doing a Fraudulent act is that what you are saying? I hope not! This may be the last time you see any free things or help from me if this is the case. If I am going to be treated this way from an admin. Appauling! -Lady Cherry

I do appreciate you responding to this thread and private messaging me now I did not see the message before I posted this. I am still very upset with due reason! -Lady Cherry

if you wish asher How about this: We will give you our logs brokejn up hourly weekly monthy since we keep track of every day every user and every action! Then you tell me that the hits through our site is not justified!! We are a high traffic site that people from OTHER communities go through as well. I hope you realized you have made a mistake. if you want that info I can post it here. Thousands and thousands of hits a day each obe accounted for. All logged please let me know whaen you want this information!

~furrows her brows~ so you -are- accusing her of hacking to gain a percentage raise in her members? what proof do you have of that? other then a -hunch-? personally I have three sites. and I know that dureing certain times of the year they fluctuate widely. during the summer months when most youths are out of school one site has a tremendouse overflow of visitors and people joining...I have a whole group of poeple that join and never post to the members area. that does not mean that it is hacked. the other site doesnt do well till the holidays{gods knows why} and again the same thing..a flood then an ebb. I find this{renderosities answer} to be....{specially after the answer Asher has provided} to be very unfair. It is still being stated that there seems to be an accusation of hacking or unfair practices by lady cherry to gain her status on the ring. If this is renderosity or what it is turning into...no wonder more people are leaving it for her site or other sites. also do you think this action will make it easier for people to join your web ring? or make the others more comfortable? I wonder how many others on the ring are now waiting for a hachet to fall on their necks if they get to may visitors. sorry. if this is renderosities answer...you will be loosing alot of members...ALOT and alot of BUYERS> that is something to think about if you are having trouble already. you shouldnt be alienating members.

Can I ask a direct question of the mods? Is Renderosity accusing Lady Cherry of falsifying data to boost her position in the webring? A simple yes or no will suffice, then we can take the discussion further, or not, instead of prevaricating.

I dont see why it'd take traffic away. I know that most people go to all the websites, not just one. As far as Asher's answer, it really didn't answer why. Basically all he said was the normal reasons for removing someone, but never any specifics on this particular case. Also, giving such a generic statement almost makes him seem worse because he appears to not want to admit guilt.

if the point of it all is that people didnt come here from there...sorry it just doesnt always work that way. I have never gone to a site via the web ring on the side bar. I google or I get a link from a thread. so to base it on if people are coming HERE from THERE is ...ludicrouse. sorry if this is what renderosity is about or is becomeing... it is not worth it. I wonder if I can cancel my purchase that is pending....

Just registering my presence and interest in this thread. Seems so far to be a case of 'we think you're guilty, therefore we'll act as though you are without giving you a chance to show that you're not'. Not very fair, IMHO - at least give the accused a chance to defend themselves before carrying out the sentence! If things had been handled that way, then we probably wouldn't be seeing this increasingly long thread... which is (yet again) damaging the image of Renderosity. And don't get me wrong, I like this place, and much of the time I sympathise with the mods and admins, who are forever facing moans and groans, no matter what they do. Does Renderosity actually employ someone who is responsible for PR - or customer relations? If not, perhaps they should - so many of these controversies could be avoided with a little more thought before action. It's not what you do, it's the way that you're seen to do it!

OMG Cherry, you had too many people getting referred to and from your site! It's OBVIOUS that you must be trying some sort of scam that involves taking over the world or something! TOO MANY CLICKS = FRAUD! It's all so SIMPLE now! Sarcasm is wonderful sometimes. Seriously tho, this is pathetic.

I wonder sometimes if some of the mods{not all} realise that if a thread starts here.....it DOES spread to other sites...to newbies that are just geting started and to those that are looking for new sites. a thread like this...with this type of action from renderosity...is damaging ..period. if I was new...no way would I come here after hearing something like this about the site. Imagine how many -are- hearing of this that are not members but would of been either potential members or potential buyers. as for the hacking rigging what ever the accusation is. this is a dead horse in renderosity from what I have seen and been told...how many contests have had the same accusations ABOUT renderosity? but they didnt feel the need to start the contest over. so then why when they -THINK- someone my of done something on those lines they just cut them off? I have even heard and been told how contests are rigged due to people spaming off site to get votes. that votes have been taken on contests by members that just joined specifically to vote fo their friend. that sounds just like what you are accusing lady cherry of doing but I am sure you didnt bann the member or even start the contest over. This is just flat out...wrong. ~ring ring......"hello?" "yes this is pot, is this kettle?" "yes?" "well kettle your black"~

Oh well, I'll bite - what's the significance to Renderosity of the web ring and being on it/at the top? I'm a bit puzzled about the issue at stake :( (plus I'm pretty much dumb as a rock, as if that needed mentioning.)

Has ANYONE bothered to think..... that maybe, JUST maybe, Asher HAS the stats for the in & out hits ? That JUST maybe, it IS valid for the actions he took ? Anything ANYONE does, will NOT please everyone, someone is gonna get pissed, whether the action taken is RIGHT or WRONG. Thomas

Smitty, If he did, wouldn't he have shown them? If he would show evidence, I'm sure this whole thing would have died down before it started.

Maybe those stats are NOT for public viewing ? IE: Classified. I mean really, think about it ... what threat is rendervisions to Rosity ? Thomas

smitthms - That's why I'd like to know, from a mod, if Lady Cherry is actually being accused of falsifying data, yes or no.

Lyrra and I have both asked for more clarification on what's going on. Again, we don't have any more information on this than anyone else in this thread (excluding Asher, obviously.) I'm hoping Asher will come back in with more information, but if I find anything else out in the meantime, I'll be sure to post. Thanks, Cres (whose really bad week is rapidly getting worse)

Personally, I never realized that RO had some kind of webring popularity ranking - I figured it was a general shuffle of all sites in the ring - rather like the banners - that would make sense to me so that all ring members get somewhat even exposure.

99.99999% of the time I don't even use the ring to find sites - there are enough links within the forums to other sites that I don't need to peruse the ring.

I do know that w/some of the recent MP changes that RV had gained merchants that left RO - would make sense that there would be non-merchants that followed that same path or expanded their Poser site(s) favorites. I can't even remember how many freakin Poser communities I'm a member of - more than 6 for sure.

I dunno. I have no need or desire to know all the details myself, just the hope that Lady Cherry is given her fair shake and they will be given to her personally. She has offered up her site stats for comparison to RO's stats - all we can hope for is that RO might realize that a more in-depth investigation is a worthy pursuit in terms of their PR and partnership of 'other sites that share our interest in computer generated art.'

Lady Cherry, I'm not exactly sure why you're wanting to discuss this in a public forum, and why you're publicly posting my private communications to you. This is really an issue best handled via email or IM between you and I. That said, I will explain for a final time as far as I feel I can or should in a public space: First of all, Lady Cherry and Rendervisions is already back in the Web Ring, as we would like to give her the benefit of the doubt. That was even before I had seen this thread this morning; in my original message (as we all know) I invited her to rejoin. But the numbers on her site's rise to the #2 spot in the Web Ring (over a matter of a few weeks) were much, much different from every other site in the Top 15. Not to mention that those other top sites had been a part of the Web Ring for at the very least a year, and in most cases much longer. Rendervisions joined the Web Ring in Feb 03. One's standing in our Web Ring is based on 3 factors, each assigned a different 'weight'. The higher one's total weight, the higher in the Web Ring she'll appear. I'm not going to share those numbers with everyone here. Though her numbers were significantly, obviously, and oddly out-of-line with every other site in the Top 15, not to mention on down the list. Most of the skewed activity was recent, reflecting the meteoric rise to the top. Is it possible for those numbers to be arrived at legitimately? Of course...Is it likely?...Not very. Her site is not the only one that's been in the Web Ring for a long time, yet it's the only one to skyrocket to the top in just a matter of weeks. We believe they manipulated their web ring position. But, we also wanted to give them a chance to start over -- instead of just booting them altogether. Hope that helps clear it up. thanks, --Asher Renderosity Admin

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I could agree with the diplomatic way of handling this problem on a personal admin-injured basis...except, this is an ongoing thing over here recently. Renderosity is becoming a synonym of Witch Hunt or Inquisition. Gallery postings killed, censorship of some sort or other, etc., and these are things that the membership needs to be aware of and informed of on a continuing basis. If there was not a serious problem here there would not be as many prolific merchants pulling their wares, and not as many longstanding members coming forth with complaints, or going elsewhere to fulfil their artistic needs. I am not sure if the problems are lack of communication among the admins, or admin interpreting the TOS each in his own way. But whatever the reasons...the natives are getting restless.

Was that a yes, or a no?

Neither

"We believe they manipulated their web ring position." That means yes, they're accusing her of fraud.

And on what is shown to be very, very scanty evidence.

'We believe they manipulated their web ring position.' That statement is an oblique accusation of fraud. In other words they can't actually prove it, but they have strong suspicions. 'Is it possible for those numbers to be arrived at legitimately? Of course...Is it likely?...Not very' This second statement does not contain proof of fraud. It only repeats that they BELIEVE there was fraud. Presumably, this belief comes from viewing the numbers. But, if you want to put it another way, what it means is that they can't believe that a site could become so popular, so quickly. So, the question at the end of the day is this. Does Renderosity have the right to act in cases where they BELIEVE that something fraudulent has taked place? And I suppose the answer would be 'Yes, they do'. It's their site, their TOS, so it's up to them to enforce standards when they think there's been jigger-pokery. BUT.... in my opinion, they might have done themselves a favor by consulting with Lady Cherry first to see if she could clarify the sudden increase in numbers, before getting out the hatchets. mac

Mac, thing is though, most of the time, some of the higher ups (not all, but some) appear to use a "shoot first and ransack the village first, ask questions later approach". Yes, it solves problems when there is an actual event that deems such action, but it also sets them up for a lot of "Whoops, we screwed up"

IMO, there is no proof to this, only an interpretation of pure statistics, which could have hundreds of legitimate reasons, but instead Rosity chose to pick the one that wasn't. So Lady Cherry, a long time contributor to this system, is not even given the benefit of the doubt to state her case, before being punished for a crime that most likely was not even committed. Even Rosity can't say for sure, so to me, why risk the backlash and bad PR that is sure to come out of this? Sometimes their decisions just make no sense at all...

If a lot of members are from cgtalk that come from her site, than that would definitely explain the discrepancy between visits and joins. We all know that cgtalk has quite an animosity (unfortunately) toward Poser and the like, and so even though they clicked the banner to see what Renderosity was, doesn't mean they'd be intersted in joining. That and the major server problems where people would probably hit the link several times just to get into the site probably had a lot to do with it to.

To me all Rosity accomplished by this was to piss off more people and cause bad PR for themselves over something that could, maybe, kinda be true, if one interprets the statistics that way. And it sucks for Lady Cherry who has given much and then treated as an outlaw over something as shaky as this. Bad form on Rosity's part...

I will have to give rendervisions a look...

ShadowWind

Asher, with all due respect, but if you had given the Lady "benefit of the doubt", you would have left her link alone... Innocent until PROVEN guilty, or is Rosity above that one? Again?

well i have no right to speak abotu it and no business into it, but i rather am amazed (not in a "good" way) at shortcomings and illogical statements of peoples anywhere. 1st asher stated the article of the TOS about fraudulous bhavior, but the sentence "we reserve the right to pull any link at any time." is separated by a return, and it is another sentence on its own, not linked to the statement about fraudulous use... This means, no matter even if you are clean and nice and don't break any rule they still stated they could just dump you no matter why. * Or so i want to belive in THIs explanation to give people benefit of the doubt* Anyway bad news, nowadays, you are considered guilty until you can prove you are innocent with proofs you have to provide yourself :) Forget the old nonsense about "innocent until proved guilty", it is just science fiction or myth ! Anyway, in my country, "hacking", or volontary actions aiming at disturbing or crippling any computer server or website is a penal crime, that can brign you sentences up to 300 000 to 450 000 fee. In my country, also, accusing peopel of severe crimes or law offenses (civil or penals) falsely and without proofs is ALSO a crime and severely punished. Now my question is: if render vision was so "offending" rosity eyes and was too old and had too much past records and log, why they did not JUST RESETTED it the first time when it changed from poserosity to rendervision name ? They didn't but now they do... Why not instad put up a system of webring site's ranking by users and members, so it would better reflect a reality ? Now for lady cherry departure, i could understand her legitimate feeling and decision, but in fact you would push the thing beyond admins/rosity hopes, because they wouldn't not even have to ban you themselves in a suspicious way, you would give them this pleasure ! Yet it is totally understanbable you dont want people who hurted you to profit in anyway of your own work you aim at users. Though i did not see much things for Poser in rendervision last time i checked. So may i hope all your rosity stuff would still migrate there ? well someone said people aren't interrested in politics and that's bad because politics by the end get back to us and spoil us in unexpected ways withotu us being aware of that at first. I sure do not have the right to even talk on this tread abotu such things, nor talk the way i did, but if a communauty expects of its members such a harsh self censorchip in the fear of a ban or something, and we cannot at least express either support or wonder about an apparent injustice, i rather not belogn to such a communauty anymore... Already left one in same circonstances, i am well trained now :)

omg they -are- accusing her of hacking/fraud. based on what? ohh that is right her site became TOO popular TOO quickly. wow I wonder what they are thinking about her growing stats NOW. now people are going in droves. I want to know the "we" that asher speaks of..isnt cresent a admin or mod here? and he didnt know about this stuff. lyra...isnt she one too? they didnt know. I am sorry but I have been out all day...and came home...looked over the thread..and in all actually this is slander to lady cherry. they are accusing her of an illegal action{hacking in the usa is illegal} they have said she got her place by unscrupulouse means. that is also saying she is dishonest. ~shakes her head~ God renderosity you have gotten the poop in a hot flying heap this time didnt you? to me this is underhanded and rather....~chews her lip~ malicouse of renderosity to do to lady cherry because asher believes the stats are unfathomable. he even stated"probably but not likely" he admits it is PROBABLY even possible for the stats to be accurate..did he wait to see hard core proof of them? no he just wiped them out and made a slanderouse accusation. sorry renderosity but in this case .....this is just disappointing. I would think that this site had more to it then just"ohh well we THINK you did wrong LETS BURN THE WITCHES" as for talking about this or making it public..sorry as we are the ones that make the "stats" we should have a right to know about accusations about sites we frequent. WE are the ones that are making or breaking your sites. renderosity MAY want to think about that abit more specially after this. also do any of you out there think that you are immune to such actions from renderosity? if they did this to lady cherry. who is next? I have defended renderosity many times. have pointed poeple to this site many times...but now...this makes me honestly wonder about who and what ideals are running this site.

What we are looking at in this thread is public 'defamation of character' on the part of Lady Cherry. It has been posted in a public place, and could be considered 'slander', or because it's in print and published here, 'liable'. So unless proof is given to substantiate the accusations, Lady Cherry could in all likelyhood 'sue'....once something of this magnitude becomes public knowledge and accusations of illegal conduct are put forth, you are asking for trouble, and possibly legal action. As evidenced over the last few months of implementing policies, Renderosities credibility is in serious doubt...

Zhann... Lady Cherry made it public, NOT Asher. Thomas

Do I believe Lady Cherry over the admins? Yes. Given the history of administrative actions/decisions here and their utter lack of accountability, I don't have any reason to believe the admins. Lady Cherry has offered publically to provide all of her server logs to prove she has comitted no fraud, but, hey, The Powers That Be have acted, and that's the end of it. At least I learned about Rendervisions this way, so some small good has come out of it. bonni

Boy, sure looks like ol' Renderosity is fearing competition these days! I wonder why? Tim? @DarkElegance: as usual, you're right on target.

Gee, only a few days ago Tim gave command to review the web ring. Remember the ANNOUNCEMENT? What'sa matter, Tim? Mac and cheese getting old? LOL! Well, there goes my membership. Oh, like sigh man! I'll really try to get over it. What do we have in this thread? 95% disgust? What would the sensible person do? -Buh-bye!!!! And for those who choose to stay after this, you've no right to bitch any longer; your feeding this atrosity! OK AsherD, delete me! Hurry!

Wasn't that "Slander/Liable" thing on Spiderman?

Well, it's all confusing to me. I'm an IT person by trade (though I won't claim to be a network genius). Maybe everyone else understands stuff that I don't so I'll just post the things that are running through my mind: (1) Just how DOES someone manipulate their position on the ring (whatever that is...I've seen it but, honestly, I've never clicked on it to see what it does)? I can understand how people can "rig" contests (by getting their friends to vote for their stuff under different IDs) but I have no idea how someone can manipulate hits (and other related data). (2) Just what does one gain by being #2 on this webring thing anyway? Hits are hits but sales, which, it seems, are the most important thing of all. Does being #2 on the ring mean if I click it I go there (Rendervisions) before anyone else's site? I can tell you I went to Rendervisions because of Lady Cherry's reply to my search for anime products. That's how I became a member. And I've been back many times looking at other things. (3) Renderosity doesn't seem like the site to get pi$$ed at this sort of thing. I'm assuming they are #1 on this ring thing. Makes me wonder if other sites complained somehow (about being reduced to #3 and #4...etc.) After all, Renderosity allows just about every site I know of to advertise their stuff here in the Product Forum. If they were upset about someone (site) getting too popular, wouldn't they cut out all the advertising for all the other sites? Confusing to me. (4) I can truthfully admit to removing items from my wishlist here because I found the same item cheaper at other sites. And that's even considering that I might receive one of those 10% coupons from Renderosity that I have gotten in the past. So, if others are like me, they have done the same thing...upped hits on other sites because some products are priced better at other sites. I will also add here that the price on Lady Cherry's model was (is) an incredible bargain at $15. (I would have scooped up the Neftis doll...though that little cutie is STILL in my wishlist...by now if the price had been the same, for example) (5) As I said earlier, I started frequenting more sites as a result of technical problems that Renderosity was experiencing of late. Perhaps a lot of other people did, too. And, I noticed, a lot of other sites had some really good sales going as well as great pricing. So, again, if others are doing the same as I, THAT may account for the growth in "travel" to other sites...Rendervisions nothwithstanding. So, there are my thoughts...perhaps the thoughts of some others who don't really understand all that's going on. I'm not taking sides. All I know is I'll be visiting Rendervisions regularly due to what I discovered there and not because of its position on the "ring".

lady cherry taking this to the forums has no real bearing on anything. but that action has elicited a written response in this thread from asherD - as a representative of this website - which clearly accuses her of fraud. that's unequivocable and damaging unless true. presumably one "goes public" to either rally popular support or commit the subsequent events to a level of transparency that one has judged to be otherwise not possible....

Well, I would just like to say that I came here looking through all the sites that I could find on Google listed as having 3D objects... And I'm amazed. In the years that I have been on the internet, I had never listed a site in my "Favorites" until Renderosity. I can see why it's number one. I can't see why I didn't know about it sooner. [ heh... maybe you should look into television advertising, I'm sure you could find a few graphic artists to help ]

"But the numbers on her site's rise to the #2 spot in the Web Ring (over a matter of a few weeks) were much, much different from every other site in the Top 15."

How exactly is the webring ran from the Renderosity servers? Consider how many screw ups there have been lately. Merchant credit figures being off, accounting pages wrong. Isn't in conceivable that all the recent glitches could have affected the webring figures as well?
I don't know how the damn webring is run or why anyone would place much importance at all on it but to blame someone for fraud while saying there is reasonable doubt is pretty stupid.

well..something must have happened. i understand the weighting a little, and sharp swings are odd and can set off alarms. if a site suddenly doubles or triples its traffic flow, it is unusual. but the ways and the means of the increase are sometimes hard to track. it could be legitimate or it could be "shifty". prob its hard for RO to tell one way or the other, but wildly swinging stats way out of the norm, do bring attention. maybe lady cherry just has a killer webmaster with great search engine tagging and weighting skillz. just my worthless few cents.

Hey Poison That killer webmaster is me hun -Giggle-
I just wanted to say I brought this public because I felt Wrongly accused in a major way. I wanted to see if other people would feel as hurt as I did getting that message. I also realized by the message, that by sending a private message back to the admin I would get little to no response, especially by the judging tone of it. I wanted to thank those that have taken the time to read it and give me thier opinions. I appreciate it very much.

Much Love
-Lady Cherry

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