I'm being constantly attacked by a certain some group of people here at the Poser Forum- a place I have been a member of since the very earliest days of its existence. I use Poser every day. Some of those out there have a very CLOSED-MINDED idea of creativity and are against anyone presenting any sort of alternative to the Proscribed Party Line that certain people are attempting to ENFORCE by means of intimidation and bigotry. Go look up INTIMIDATION and BIGOTRY and you will see that certain people are using their tactics to enforce their police-state views on who can say What about Using Poser. Poser Pro-Pack is a product of Curious labs. It has features P5 doses NOT have. Pro-Pack is still an EXCELLENT program- I use it on Windows XP. Certain people are trying to enforce a Police State mindset at the Poser Forum that the Poser Forum is only about P5. It's NOT. Just because people use Poser 4, or Pro-Pack, does NOT make them second class citizens here! Curious Labs made Pro-Pack for the OBVIOUS reason that people wanted to import their projects into Lightwave or MAX, or other programs. But, according to certain people here, that is HERECTICAL and ONLY POSER must be used or discussed. Curious Labs has a very friendly relationship with E-on software, makers of Vue. Vue imports Pz3 and Pzz files DIRECTLY- Further it imports Poser 5 dynamic hair and cloth. People are currently working on importing nearly all Poser 5 materials- since Vue 5 can handle them. If I am using Pro-Pack to import Poser models into other software, I should NOT be the subject of THREATS, INTIMIDATION and BIGOTRY by these =P5 ONLY!!!= fascists... SURE- there ARE other Forums here- but when you are using Poser, quite often Poser is linked to MANY other softwares out there. Does this mean we cannot talk about ANY OTHER software here AT ALL- other than Poser 5? This is Crap! I've NEVER seen a forum ANYWHERE where certain people will not allow any sort of cross-pollination of creative ideas involving different software programs... So certain people need to stop being closed minded anti-creative thinking, anti-progressive bigots...

Here's some friendly advice: Turn of the screen, realize how good it feels totake a deep breath, go outside for a walk, get some coffee if you want to. After you return you will notice how there is no anti-ProPack conspiracy and it's all not as bad as it seems.

oowwwiee!!!!!!!

Er... ....what? ^_^ RC (Who thinks that staring at the freckles on "Ioli's" chest might be a rewarding hobby right about now...) PS: And Veritas, dude - I love seeing your stuff lately. It's been very interesting and made me reconsider my position of not getting yet another renderer...

hmmm.....

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ynsaen- are YOU PARANOID??? Did someone mention YOUR NAME?

"HDRI rendering (that P5 CANNOT do...)" incorrect. however, it's one HELL of a lot easier to do in Vue.

;-)

No need, hon. You screwed up by specifically pulling form only one post for your rant, and that one post is mine. While you can claim otherwise, it's patently obvious that the unnamed person to whom you refer is me -- you're just too "intimidated" to state it publically due to the risk of censure.

Yes- you better GO BACK and edit Your OTHER Thread Posts TOO!!! And you others- it's ON THE RECORD- unless you can get a RENDEROSITY MOD to edit your posts too!

I edited: "That's a personal attack. Thanks :)" with the regular thread title to what is posted in 7.

They are on their own Corporate-Fascist agenda to keep Poser users from learning the TRUTH about creative and innovative trends in Poser rendering...

Where's my tinfoil hat, then? roll eyes

bonni Message edited on: 10/29/2004 05:47

lol@bonni. thanks, though, you pointed something else out to me. "They are on their own Corporate-Fascist agenda to keep Poser users from learning the TRUTH about creative and innovative trends in Poser rendering..." now, wait just one cotton pickin minute there, bud. How does rendering in a program other than poser constitute an "innovative trend in Poser Rendering"? Poser rendering indicates rendering in poser -- have you found some magical means by which to run Vue from inside Poser?

btw, Veritas -- cool dragon image!

I like the mid-evil goon better.

It's pretty cool, too, I have to admite. That's either one hell of a morph combo or some serious power "goo"-ing, but (as unflattering as it may be) it's a pretty nice image.

And your prozac box isn't bad, either, lol

i like all of them..lightened up the thread. Shade has a good renderer and imports Poser stuff directly...if you can figure out how to use it.

for myself, I just pointed out that in a thread asking for help on Poser, coming in with a vue render and going "buy vue! Vue is wionderful!" is not appropirate. but then you got paranoid... have fun!

"If I am using Pro-Pack to import Poser models into other software, I should NOT be the subject of THREATS, INTIMIDATION and BIGOTRY by these =P5 ONLY!!!= fascists..." Veritas, please IM any poser mod or coordinator with the specific posts that you feel have been intimidating or threatening towards you. Please be aware that calling a person, or group of persons, "fascist" can be a personal attack. I advise you to think very carefully about what you post. May I remind everyone that we are all entitled to hold our own opinions on anything we please. However, we are not entitled to belittle the beliefs or opinions of others. Thank you all for your understanding. Karen Poser Forum Coordinator

You like Vue/ProPack - Elle likes Poser5 - I'm still more comfortable with Poser 4 but I'm getting better with P5 thanks to that ynsaen chick that's always running around here. Not sure what the problem is... maxx - you really should put a keyboard alert in the subject when you post pics like that, just spit tea all over my keyboard again! sighs lol BTW - can I steal that one for future use? Would go good with the clue fairy on my hard drive...

A lot of the posts here are still about poser 4 and propack or non-specific ones about victoria 3 or other figures.

Huh? There are other figures besides Victoria 3?

and everything under the sun is in tune, but the sun is eclipsed by the moon...(R.Waters)

Good lord this is the funniest goddamn thing I have read here in YEARS!!! Veritas.... dont ever change dude :-)

Maxx - that prozac box is from adbusters.org, right? I love that one so much, I guess I have to get the poster. Now everyone, take your pills, join hands and do the happy dance. We don't want to embarrass ourselves by taking part in a pointless flamewar.

I have C4D on my hard drive, but didn't touch it in a while, unfortunately. So many other things that eat my spare time (if I have any, that is). You got a G4 now? My personal Mac is still a G3 iBook (no Altivec :( ), but I have lots of G5s to play with at work.

NO! There is ONLY one app in the world! - Poser5!! There is only one model! Vicki3 - with Big Tits and a Sword! But seriously though, you (Veritas) do often get jumped on for posting anything about other apps or issues - anything not specifically and uniquely Poser - be it about Vue, about anime, about toon technique, about film, whatever.. Ive seen it many times and got as irritated as HELL by the attitude you get hit with here. So I partly agree with you, Veritas. Ive also seen you get attacked for being a DAZ lover and supporter - just because you happened to post a positive remark about a DAZ product or service - I forget what it was. The attitude is restrictive and gotten more and more so over the years in this forum - a lot of amateur police in here with tin hats on, lol. So keep up your unorthodox style and posts - livens the place up. Fish - been here forever, staying forever

Argument remember about poser is not real 3d ,its only to pos pre-maid figures ,relay humans use Maya. I use p5 but want to render in another app, because the render is solve and the shadows use to diapering.

"But seriously though, you (Veritas) do often get jumped on for posting anything about other apps or issues"

I haven't seen him get "attacked" per say (if that's what you mean). In fact, what most people on this site consider an attack is quite mundane. However, I've seen him go apeshit when someone challenges his logic. Basically, if you're going to boast that something is great or "the best choice" over and over again, then obviously people are going to challenge you on it. It's not like he makes one post about something, but he'll start a thread, then subsequently follow up on his own thread multiple times (often with disjointed capitalizations of his words) until someone finally responds. I think that's what gets people going.

"So keep up your unorthodox style and posts - livens the place up."

I agree. I don't want to see him stop posting at all! I think his posts are fun. Brings some character to the forums.
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I'm voting Veritas for president!! ;-)

Attached Link: http://www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=797385

P.S. For a idea of how small minded people can be look at this image and the negative comments that have come from it being "too real", also note the positive from those that are aware that it is capable :)

http://www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=797385

Peace and Creativity
Chris

I've said it before (indeed, in the post that he went off on), but I'll say it again. I like him, too.

Veritas does need to post here. The thing that set him off is that I've gotten mighty annoyed that his current kick with Vue (which is a respectable app) has led him to post to threads not with helpful tips or answers to particular questions, but with what are essentially advertisements to use Vue instead of Poser.

Which is fine -- in the Vue Forum. Being passionate about Poser (and not just 5), I do not take well to indefensible expressions of it's inadequecies, and most especially when they are erroneous.

I've stood up for him before, and I'll do it again. This isn't a "personal" thing -- I'm not angry about anything or upset, on my part. Were I to run amok in the other forums (which, granted, are typically more serious than ours) posting how you can do all that stuff better in Poser, not only had I best be able to back my statments up, I had better have pretty thick skin.

There is a good thread about using Poser and Vue together -- a request for help, notably -- that is fine. His posts don't meet that essential criteria.

Nor am I picking on him. Anyone who's observed my posting nature will note that I will post on pretty much anything that catches my fancy, and that I am strongly opinionated (which is a nicer term than what else it's been called elsewhere).

My opinion in this case is based on the oft stated current purpose of this forum in specific. If that changes, odds are pretty damned good that mine will change too.

I don't mind off topic posts, either -- even the ones that don't have OT on them (as they should).

Essentially, it comes down to specifically the manner in which his posts are inappropriately expressd in terms of their relevance to the topic at hand and the purpose of the forum.

and my hat is not tin. It's felt. Nice dark shade of green, too... (edited after reading ARADtech's post) Ahem. raised eyebrow But nice pic. how the pic is made is irrelevant. Thinking outside the box is one thing. Scribbling all over the walls of it is another.

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In all seriousness its not what veritas says about VUE,the "SIMS" or DAZ studio. its his blaring "infomercial" style uber enthusiasm for one latest and greatest "innovation" after another and his angry hyperbolic responses to those who arent as exicted about his latest "discovery" as he is :-). For those who dare endure rosities search engine, search the DAZ,Lightwave,3DMAXand bryce forums and you will find where Veritas started a similar "Crusade" on behalf of DAZ Studio a few months ago one thread was locked after he went into angry attack mode against us users of those pro-level apps who did not agree with his wild assertion that DAZ studio rendered just like lightwave,MAX and so on . We get it already that Veritas is very excited about vue5. at the moment what we find amusing is how angry he gets when others dont share his enthusiasm and starts calling names as he did During his DAZ Studio and Sims "crusades".

Hey lets stop getting personal with each other okay?

Getting your enthusiasm stepped on isn't much fun. People are interested in all apps applied to Poser here.

Wolf is right. I remember his Daz Studio crusade. As I recall, he only got "attacked" by people when he started posting Daz Studio renders in the high-end forums and claiming that they looked as good as renders from those particular apps. He did that in like 3 or 4 different forums (Max, Lightwave, Bryce, and maybe C4D). The only one he didn't hit was Maya I think. LOL. The reaction of most people to his latest crusade for Vue is really a reaction to the pattern of behavior he seems to exhibit whenever he finds a new toy. I have to admit, I love it. Wish I had half his enthusiasm. ;-)

Ynsaen, would you mean "stubborn" by chance? ducks As for the topic of this thread...you think it's bad here, Veritas, go try and visit some other pages where people with "real" (note the raised eyebrow while I type please) 3D apps rant over Poser and its users. Compared to what I've seen there a while back this is baby cakes. :)

"Hey lets stop getting personal with each other okay?" Uhm... the only one who got "personal" was Veritas himself.

"closed minded fascism mindsent ..." should read "closed minded fascist mindset" which in either case in inverse bigotry against open minded fascist mindsets. If it weren't for fascist mindsets, Vicky would have nothing to wear or do.

Ok oK that's enough, Shows over. Break it up folks. Nothig to see here. Move along -- got a whole forum te deal with and newbes to help and poor product roll outs to lambast...

Wow and I thought I had problems.

LOL, there's always some sort of semi-insane show going on here...today's no exception. I've been using Poser 4 since I joined the communities and no one's complained to me. I'm not nearly as vocal as Veritas though, so I don't know for sure. My only problem with Veritas is that he apparently made a lot of money using my Z-toon technique when I came up with the thing and haven't made a cent. ;) SnowS BTW, thanks for the wacko comment over at RDNA too, I appreciate it. :)

In my book, Z-Toon=SnowSultan Nuff said.

Just one comment: Those of us who own P5 put up with the "I only support P4 and PP!!" "P5 sucks!" bullshit for a long time. Now the shoe's on the other foot?? Too friggin' bad!

I wont name names but anyone coming to the poser forum and saying that a certain program is better than poser seems wrong. You wouldn`t go to a sims forum and say red alert is a much better game (even if it is ;) )

Thanks Garee, but I didn't mean it to sound like Veritas stole it (he never claimed it was his). He just had opportunities to use it and I didn't, and I'm actually happy for him. "You wouldn`t go to a sims forum and say red alert is a much better game (even if it is ;) ) " LOL, very good point. For the full effect, go into an X-Box forum and say PS2 is better. ;D SnowS

hmm..I guess this would be the wrong time to say I have Poser 3,4, and Daz Studio on the same machine..and it hasn't exploded yet..;) Internet access..well, that's something else..;) The only thing I've seen for or agin 5 is if someone asks a question about a problem, and they want to know which one is running..Veritas, don't let 'em get to ya..it's just that fascist groove thang..;)