Well they don't even suggest it, they strongly recommend it. I've purchase Bryce 5.5, I know, it's a stupid thing to do, but for the price I've paid for it I couldn't resist it. Wanted to load some poser stuff into Bryce 5.5. Of course with the help of DAZ Studio. But DAZ studio doesn't open a number of my pz3 files and it seems like I'm not the only one having that problem. Here's what DAZ strongly suggested, just get rid of Poser and redo all of my scenes in D/S and then it's no problem. D/S almost has all of the features Poser has and is much easier to use. Drop Poser 6 as my main development tool? D/S almost having all of the features that are in P6? D/S much easier to use? Are these people for real...... I love Poser 6 it's been a great blessing to me and the only thing I'm getting rid of will be Bryce 5.5 Imo opinion if you're looking for a 3D landscape application, don't look at Bryce, but try Vue 5 instead.

It's just Daz trying to push people to use (and eventually buy) DAZ Studio as opposed to Poser 6. It stinks, and I really despise Daz's tance on this: they're basically using their monopoly on the low-end world creation software amrket to try and get a monopoly on the poser market as well. I'll be damned if I'm gonna drop Poser. Besides, Studio simply isn't good enough.

heh. of course they would suggest DS. As for dropping Bryce, I wouldn't be so rash in my decision. It's a good tool with just a number of small bugs. And nobody's forcing you to use DS, just put a little brains into the import process and do it manually. Thanks, Drac

Brother. I bought the starter bundle last year, so have a $30 off coupon, but I'm not at all tempted by Bryce 5.5. DAZ just hasn't convinced me that they'll be able to make D|S and Bryce competitive with Poser and Vue.

they're basically using their monopoly on the low-end world creation software amrket to try and get a monopoly on the poser market as well.

:|

what?

Use DS exclusively? Hehehehe, good choice until you need a cr2 for The Tailor or magnets to fit something.

"Hehehehe, good choice until you need a cr2 for The Tailor or magnets to fit something." The way I understand it, you will be able to do that in DS when you buy the addon packs. The base will be just that, a base. All the needed extras to get it close to Poser will cost you.

If you are refering to the comment by MallenLane in the Bryce forum at DAZ, it was a personal remark not an official statement and was talking about preparing scenes for Bryce - he's well aware that things like magnets, dynamic hair and clothing, some material functions and so on are not in D|S (at least not yet) but since they don't work in Bryce either that isn't relevant to this particular situation. And just a reminder that DAZ are continuing to say the base D|S (what we have in beta right now) will be free, so they don't stand to profit directly from its adoption. (also a personal, not DAZ, comment.)

"And just a reminder that DAZ are continuing to say the base D|S (what we have in beta right now) will be free, so they don't stand to profit directly from its adoption." Yes and No. Yes, the base will be free. No, Daz will make a major profit off of this. DS and Bryce working together. Think of all the special extras that they will sell for both apps. Don't get me wrong, it's their apps, they can do what the want. I do think it was a mistake to push Poser users out of the way by making them go the long way around to use Bryce. I'm sure some brain will create a python script that will do this for us poser users someday and we can skip this app that is being force feed down our throats. I too bought Bryce 5.5. It cost me under $20. I may be crazy but I'm not stupid. I can create all the scenes I want and put them into poser/shade a hell of a lot easier than the Daz way.

I had made the decision not to buy Bryce5.5. For me is the Poser5/6+Vue5 (Infinite) combination the better choice. Mazak

Not a complete pz3 solution but one could always create the character, pose , clothe etc in Poser, export as an .obj and the use Grouper 1.4 to collect all the materials needed for Bryce and finish the scene in Bryce. Just pointing out an alternative for what evere it's worth.

I have D/S Bryce Poser6 and Vue5 pro, and i think i will stick with P6 and V5, why, cause they do it better, the only thing i pop over to daz for are the content, (ie v3, M3, Aiko3,SP3,GIRL, etc...) I think Daz is still pretty cheesed off that CL never bought into Daz'z figures to start with (think they went with Zygote)...lol... How long before CL stops other stand alone rendering software from using it's format to do the same job? And the war continues...

I like the way Daz implemented studio and bryce together :) Things import really fast! But at the same time, if you don't want to use DS, there is a product here and at poserpros called texture extractor, that will take your stuff into bryce with ease ;o)

"Here's what DAZ strongly suggested, just get rid of Poser and redo all of my scenes in D/S and then it's no problem. D/S almost has all of the features Poser has and is much easier to use." AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH! OH MY! Shees... :P Yeah. Right. Well, I would like to remeber them that using drugs is still a crime in the US... ;) "I do think it was a mistake to push Poser users out of the way by making them go the long way around to use Bryce." I bought Bryce 5, and I have the 30$ discount coupon too, but it was just this attitude toward the end-user that made me buy Vue4 then upgrading to 5...

Things I post, when I post, are my opinions. I don't live near, or work in the office, so I offer no glimpses of official company policy. Frankly because I wouldn't know about them anyway. Everything you read is mine alone. I suggested you could possibly get around the PZ3 import issues you were having by building the scene in D|S. I don't think that constitutes me saying anything about dropping Poser. Personally I haven't had any problems importing PZ3s.

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... or maybe i'm just an idiot... 'twas my understanding that zygote were the creators of the original poser figures, up to p4 or p5, before dissolving their partnership with cl and forming their own company, daz3d. or something along those lines.... perhaps it was back when metacreations owned poser... i never use daz studio. i tried it once for about an hour just cause i got an e-mail about it that said it was free. it sat on my hard drive collecting cyber dust and i don't even think i installed it on my new system. shrugs E.D.

You're not an idiot. AFAIK, DAZ spun off from Zygote to cater to the masses while Zygote caters to the high end. I do not know if there are any ties between the two anymore, ownership-wise.

I think we might eventually see P5/6 support from Daz. But who knows..maybe not.

Daz is a Poser store. Unless you can rig directly in Studio, Daz will always be a Poser store. And that will likely mean eventual Poser6 support. It will be interesting to see more Bryce brokers emerge but are a bit stuck if people can't use their latest figures in it, Poser customers won't be interested in the new bryce products..

Don't get me wrong, I like the idea of Studio but it is taking too many years to finish it. After three years, I've given up waiting for the hopes to rig in it. As a content person, it is pretty much useless to me. All the cool stuff shader stuff is in P5/P6 format.

They can duplicate/incorporate stuff they buy into Studio like Face-offs scripts. But with something like Bryce I don't see how they can avoid supporting P6. Maybe they are going to merge them into Daz's Bryce Studio (StudioBryce, BryceSTudio).

In the meantime, it would be awesome if Daz worked with Cl to develop a proper P6importer. Poser4 is old. Unless they get Studio finished, Bryce will become a bit stagnant without the latest pz3's and figures being able to go into it.

CL has released Poser 5 and 6 and yet no final official Studio. Now they have Bryce on their plate... I wish they would focus. They really need to finish Studio with rigging tools a.s.a.p before the window is gone forever. Studio is a really cool idea but Poser 6 is now.

Poser/Shade is kinda liek Bryce/Studio right? Shade is a rendering enviornment liek Studio? Can shade do what Bryce does? I dunno, it is all very complicated. But with background shader, etc wouldn't it be better to import into Poser/Studio istead of the other way around? I haven't used Bryce in years but I only used it for the shaders which you can to in Poser now. If people buy Bryce to render better than P4, the P6 ugrade has alot more content and just a bit more money. I dunno enough about Bryce/Shade/ or Vue. But I really really love Poser6. And I was a P4 diehard. Maybe PoserPython can make a terrain generator. Between that and the background shaders you can do the same in Poser? Face-off has done a python interface, can't someone make sky/background interface?

OT: I wish there were more Poser6 merchants selling commercial material nodes. I buy little, but would jump on that.

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Requires? Why does it require it? I thought Bryce was a stand alone?

a Content paradise or a link?

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I won't be getting it either. I figured DAZ would screw up Bryce but I didn't think they would go that far.

screwed up bryce? by adding a button that launches D|S? It costs you a bit of disk space. What a horrable price to pay. oh, well, to each their own. guess i just saved DAZ from dealing with as many returns :P

Interesting. Forced to install something I don't want in order to run another app. Nah. Tyger_purr, thanks for posting that tid bit. As far as the button---Shade?

I have a feeling Daz took care of that all on their own, it should not "require" you to have something installed you never use, when you are a poserhead disk space is valuable

" it should not "require" you to have something installed you never use " Just the attitude I mentioned earlier... "You will like Daz Studio... or else!"

Been Dazed and confused... thanks for posting. I saw very good things done in Bryce, but if this is the road towards its future, then no. Not even free.

Hummm...maybe someone can come up with a fix for Bryce requiring Studio like they did for Poser to remove Content Paradise.

At the start of the installation of Studio, just press cancel when you are asked where you want it installed. Then you end up having just Bryce installed. Bryce runs fine without Studio. This is just DAZ trying to make sure that everybody tries Studio.

Actually, the marrage of Bryce and D|S works very well. Before knocking it, try it. I installed D|S once about 5 months ago. Haven;t tried it since, because I mainly develope, and P5 worked just fine for my needs. I loaded bryce 5.5, and tinkered with it some, and wanted to see how fast I could import poser content. Loading D|S took about 10 seconds. I didn't have any linked runtimes, so I had to root around, and find one suitible. Once I did, I selected a base character, and loaded him into DS. I didn't even bother to use dials, I just reposed the character some, and then elected to back to bryce, and Bam! There was my posed character! I hadn;t saved any files, or anything, I just switched back. And you can tinker in bryce, and go BACK to DS at any time to readjust a pose or such. In this case, I'd say DS is an excellent poser "room" for Bryce, and well worth my HD space!

Anyone else notice they haven't offered an upgrade path from Bryce 4 - to 5.5. Is it wise to shut the door on past users...?

I thought they opened that door when they did the bundle last year? (Can't really remember though...)

What you have to think about is with the demise of Metacreation and their products being spread to the wind, so to speak quite a few people sat back to see what would happen. Wise in a few cases - RDS (Another 5.5 that left a lot of folk hanging when we were promised much) went all together to be replaced by Carrara, but that seems to have worked out. Canoma - well most likely a lot of the members here wouldn't have heard of it. Bryce - changed hands twice now, For Daz to offer a bundle last year just after aquiring a product that Corel sold off didn't inspire confidence at the time. Poser - look how many folk sat back on P4 / Pro Pack to see what direction that went. Just be nice to see Daz encourage people back into the fold...

And they DID offer upgrades to their Bryce 5.1, but because users had a lack of confidence, they chose to ignore the upgrade path. So now that there are some nice new features, Daz should extend an offer again, to appease people who were dissing them last year? (Oh, and BTW, many people reported their TOTAL cost for the new Bryce upgrade was $15, AND they got a voucher for $10 off something for the next week. So their final actual cost then is $5 For Bryce 5.5) So how long do they have to continue offering upgrades? Hasn't it been almost 8 YEARS since bryce 4 was released? And how do you then verify that they actually bought Bryce 4? I'm sure 1/2 of the serial numbers and records have been lost to time by now. IMHO, Daz has been more then reasonable, and the current discounts they are giving to the early Bryce 5.1 package adopters almost borders on insane.

How do you get it for $15. I might jump at that.

Intitial Price $30 PC Discount -$30 (30%) 3D Starter Bundle -$30 Upgrade Discount -$20 -------- $20

'low-end world builder'..I should take umbrage at that (what I'd do with an umbrage once I had one, I don't know..;) Hmm..sounds like the usual startup 'gamma tester' bug fixes that need to happen before i'd consider it..

"At the start of the installation of Studio, just press cancel when you are asked where you want it installed. Then you end up having just Bryce installed. Bryce runs fine without Studio. This is just DAZ trying to make sure that everybody tries Studio." I've done that and guess what..... D/S will still be installed. Not the content, but the main program will still be there. Why? Because Bryce 5.5 isn't a standalone anymore. it's completely integrated with D/S and personally I don't like that. For me D/S just isn't working at all. Quite a number of poser scenes just don't open well at all in D/S, if they even open at all. If they do open it takes over 20 mins for them to open, while it just takes minutes in P5 or P6. Besides that I'm even wondering why DAZ is charging us for the upgrade. They've done so little to it and most of it doesn't even work well at all (just check out the Bryce forums). They should have called it Bryce 5.2 as far as I'm concerned. These are the main new features: New in version 5.5! Dramatic Render Speed Increase: Render your favorites scenes over 30% faster on average with no image quality loss at all! Sounds great but I have yet to see it. It's already been stated that people with a non multithreaded single AMD cpu are very unlikely to encounter much a render speed improvement at all. (I'm one of the people owning such a cpu) New in version 5.5! DAZ|Studio Character Plug-in - easily load and edit thousands of 3D figures, vehicles, wildlife and more. It's not a plugin at all, it's complete integration..... easy? Are they kidding? New in version 5.5! Enhanced OpenGL Support - see, in real time, the texture maps applied to objects in your scene in 8 different display styles. OpenGL? I'll pass, where the switch off OpenGL button, it's my favourite feature in any 3D application. New in version 5.5! Bryce Lightning 2.0 - With a new interface, this network render application speeds up processing time by utilizing advanced image compression for improved rendering over either a Local Area Network (LAN) or a Wide Area Network (WAN). Doesn't excite me at all. Don't have a network (yet), will build one in the Summer, but I doubt the other pc connected will be suitable for rendering at all. At the moment DAZ also offers the Bryce 5.5 Content Kit: Volume 1 with Bryce 5.5. It's over 200Mb download size and it's pretty much un-usable. Some of the object included take ages to load, don't look that great at all and the presets are well.... I'd better not comment on it. It looks like some amateurs have put this thing together. That's my final conclusion of Bryce 5.5 as well, it looks like some amateurs have put this thing together.... I'm about the hit the uninstall button and ask for a refund (or sell it to someone who likes it). Is DAZ really thinking that this can replace the Poser - Vue combination? Not in a million years.....

zulu9812, Cool. I went to look but the store crashes my browser these days. What is the $30 3D Starter Bundle voucher? Is that something you get for free after joining?

How do you get it for $15. I might jump at that. plat club discount -30% upgrade discount $20 content bundle discount $30 plat club monthly voucher $5 Out of pocket price $14.96 then you have a $10 voucher good for 1 week and a coupon for %50 off a purchace of daz original product(s) >What is the $30 3D Starter Bundle voucher? It was a bundle of D|S products they were selling last september (i think) that included a $30 off B5.5 when it came out, poser version of all the content and i think it also had a voucher too. I belive this http://www.daz3d.com/shop.php?op=itemdetails&item=2635 is the content that was in the bundle, but it no longer comes with the B5.5 discount.

thanks aeilkema , i for one appreciate the honesty

oh okay. thanks!

Hmm..sounds like the usual startup 'gamma tester' bug fixes that need to happen before i'd consider it.. We should all be used to that. ;) It'll be interesting to see how DAZ Studio/Brice pans out. Gotta admit, I've been pissed at CL before, but have yet to be dissapointed by DAZ.

Is Daz going to bite off more than it can chew? I ask this because they seam to be putting their eggs in multiple baskets, ie, Poser software (Daz Studio) Bryce (Terrain software) and content. not many companys can say they are master of many, and some how i don't think Daz will pull all of it off. To that end i prefer the CL approach of letting other companies produce the additions like terrain software, take for instance Vue5 infinate which far more advanced in what it can do, or is daz going to add trees that can grow and blow in the wind during animation? hmmm... it's alot to ask.. And with the addition of Shade now on CL's books will Daz be looking to buy an advance 3d AP?...DAZ 3ds Max maybe???? lol... who knows what would i like??? For Daz to concentrate on making the best 3d content and Figures for poser, but im sure one day (and probably soon) the new Daz figures won't be compatible with Poser.... and then where will we go????

Besides that I'm even wondering why DAZ is charging us for the upgrade.

My guess would be, "Because they need the money." Which is also why they had that strange "starter bundle" offer last year. At first, they told everyone that the only way to get upgrade pricing was to buy the starter bundle - IOW, put a deposit down, months ahead of time, before the final product or price was known. (People were less than thrilled at that, so changed the terms a bit, and released more info about Bryce 5.5.)

What I wonder is why they are calling it Bryce 5.5. I think people expect to get a .5 upgrade for free. They should have called it Bryce 6. Or Bryce 5 Pro. Something like that. :-)

Just a last comment.... this for sure was the last DAZ hype I've fallen for. I'm not going to spent anymore money there or fall for the hypes again. "For Daz to concentrate on making the best 3d content and Figures for poser, but im sure one day (and probably soon) the new Daz figures won't be compatible with Poser.... and then where will we go????" Honestly, I couldn't care less if they'd do that. All of the content I own is more then enough for me

Anton, if you go to the Studio software page, you can send the download to your account.

Anton, D|S is still available. Look under the "new to DAZ" tab. The Turbo import was a plugin that let you import Poser figures to D|S, and thence to Bryce. Dunno if it's still needed for Bryce 5.5.