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Subject: OT...Child sexual abusers registry (US only), a must have website
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On that first page under the search boxes there's a line that reads "Click here to locate offenders by name" with the "click here" bit in red, it takes you to another page where you can type in names & choose which state to search. I might email them & suggest they add an option to search by offence as well so people can find the nearest kiddy fiddler, rapist or whatever.
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Try doing a search using your local Megan's Law website. It will produce a map showing the location of registered sexual predators in your neighborhood as well as their crimes and their picture. My search showed several within a few blocks from my house. Scaaaary. Even more frightening is contemplating how many more exist that aren't even registered.
A friend did this who resides in a certain county in Florida. Turns out his area is one of the highest for registered sex offenders in the nation. The amount of red dots representing said offenders in his area was truly terrifying.
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i'm going to comment about that site and any other sites like it but first understand one thing, I do not like child sex offenders, they are the lowest forms of life on this planet in my book. Now as for that site and any like it i do not agree with what they are doing, it is my opinion that any child sex offender should only be registered with the local police department and not have their name pasted all over the net. Before you disagree with this lets look at one instance, young 17 year old guy had sex with a 12 year old girl, ended up in prison for 8 years, released from prison then moves to a new area to start of a new life and get away from the wrong doing he did. 1-2 years pass, he has a great job, girlfriend with a baby on the way. A site starts up on the net after a book came out with known child sex offenders names in it, he lost his job, his girlfriend and some big tough drunk morons took it upon themselves to rid the area of him....yes people they got him out of the area alright, he is six foot under now and those morons are walking free....now you can see why i don't like that site or any like it.. Its unfair on those child sex offenders that have done wrong, know they did wrong and are trying to start a new life. Like i said i don't like child sex offenders but if they admit they did wrong, they had a problem and are willing to try and do something about it then good for them. Maybe someone should start a site up on all the known drunk drivers or drug dealers in your local area..i wonder if they would out number the sex offenders..
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Unfortunately, I too fear for the misuse of this. Its one thing to know if a true child predator is in your neighborhood, but there are lots of unregistered ones too. And there is a case right now where a guy got prison time for shagging a sheep. And he's upset because when he gets out he will be on the sex offender list. What happens when vigil anti's decide to take him out? Children need to be better educated and also tested in a real way. Secretly video tape them at the mall being approached by someone. See if they fall for his/her lines etc. Its amazing at how easy it is to take a child. Even if they are kicking and screaming, often no one will stop the adult. I've seen many a presumed parent carry a screaming kicking child out of the library. I only hope that that there is never a day that its not the parent who is taking that kid out. And word of warning, the library is NOT a safe place to leave your kids unattended. Never assume anywhere is safe! I was always suspicious no matter where my daughter was and I always asked her questions before and after she went somewhere. I never assumed someone else's father was safe or the volleyball coach. I even got worried when she went on a retreat, when she told me they wouldn't be allowed phone calls. She got me an emergency number to be able to call if something came up (she was 19 & in college). And all too often, children are the victims, not of strangers, but family members or close family friends. There are pros and cons to the list. Personally, I know I'm not about to go out and take the law into my own hands, so I feel comfortable with being able to view such a list. So I am divided on this issue, its not black and white. Innocent men also end up on these lists (or men who like sheep apparently). There are many girls who totally fabricate stories. Its quite sad, because each time a girl does that and its found out she lied, it makes it more difficult for that community to believe other girls' stories.
according to that map it looks like the usa is full of them. only the rocky mountains seem safe for kids.
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Firstly, this topic was not posted for debate. It was offered as a tool to concerned parents of young children if they wished to implement such services. That other sexual offenders are also included in the search is just cream for the pie as far as Im concerned. Mind you, these are CONVICTED offenders brought to justice by trial. There is no maybe here, they have been convicted through due process under the law. It should also say something when 88% of the country (44 states out of 50) allow for such services to be made available to their concerned citizens. So obviously the yeas outnumber the nays overwhelmingly. We just need to get the remaining 12% to get inline with the rest of the country.
As the site says:
Know your neighborhood-Use Family Watchdog to locate sex offenders near your home and your kid's school.
Empower your kids with information-Buy The Safe Side Stranger Safety video and watch it with your kids.
Change the laws-Support the Child Safety Act of 2005
Im for stronger child sexual abuse laws and would stand by such laws as Jessicas Law. For those that dont know: Jessicas Law is: Named in memory of Jessica Lunsford, who was abducted and sexually assaulted before being brutally murdered, "Jessica's Law" refers to the Jessica Lunsford Act passed in Florida which mandates a minimum sentence of 25 years and a maximum of life in prison for first-time child sex offenders.
Jessica was 9 years old. The confessed offender, 46-year-old John Evander Couey, is a repeat registered (no less) sex offender.
Jessica was murdered in March of 2005 but as early as January of 2006 a judge in Vermont, Judge Edward Cashman gave a 60-day jail sentence to 34-year-old Mark Hulett in the repeated rape of a 6 year old girl over a period of four years. That sentence was eventually turned over to a sentence of 3 to 10 years, , by pressure brought to bare by public outcry. 3 to 10 years is still a paltry sentence in my opinion considering that these childrens innocence has been taken away by these predatory animals and they will suffer emotionally for the rest of their lives. For the most part they will grow up to be emotionally crippled adults.
As far as Im concerned these sick, perverted predatory animals should be locked away in places tighter than a gnats ass. I would go with 25 minimum and life maximum on first-time offenders as prescribed in Jessicas Law.
As for the 17 year old assaulting the 12 year old, obviously this would have been statutory rape depending in what state of the Union the crime occurred. Whereas in some states the age of consent is 18, other states vary anywhere from 14 in Hawaii (14 in Iowa with parental consent) 16 in West Virginia, 17 in New York and 18 in Virginia, this 17 year old boy obviously was old enough to go to jail for breaking the law having assaulted a minor (she was 12) as an adult. Age of consent chart
I in no way condone vigilantism but these things do happen from time to time. I vaguely remember a case were a father shot his sons rapist after his conviction while being escorted out of court to prison. And as I recall the father was deemed to have been temporarily insane when he committed the act. One can see and even understand a parents distraught and frustration when trying to extract a sense of justice for his child. That being said, I do not believe that anyone taking the life of another in an act of vigilantism should not be held accountable for murder. But these events are far and few between. In the general scale of things I have to say that the good of the registry service outweighs the bad and apparently so does the majority of Americans.
The other thing to point out is recidivism in sex offenses:
Among child molesters released from prison in 1994, 60% had been in prison for molesting a child 13 years old or younger.
Bureau of Justice Statistics
Studies show different base rates for different types of sex offenses. For example, child molesters have a higher rate of rearrest than rapists (52% versus 39 percent when tracked over 25 years).
One review of recidivism rates (p.7) found: "Incest offenders ranged between 4 and 10 percent. Rapists ranged between 7 and 35 percent. Child molesters with female victims ranged between 10 and 29 percent. Child molesters with male victims ranged between 13 and 40 percent. Exhibitionists ranged between 41 and 71 percent."
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TMGraphics: Red= Offense against children, yellow=rape, blue=sexual battery and green=other offense.
Ang: And there is a case right now where a guy got prison time for shagging a sheep. And he's upset because when he gets out he will be on the sex offender list.
Well he should have thought about that before he got caught with the wool over his eye!
LOLYsvry just imagine what a map including the rest of the world would look like.
Message edited on: 03/03/2006 00:49
Vasquez, what seems to be the problem? A little education doesn't hurt anyone. Besides, you don't have to visit the site if you don't want to. No one is forcing you to read or even partake in the thread. And this post obviously only concerns people in the US. I dont see anyone here being hurt by this thread. Besides, I said this wasnt posted to be a debate.
Why would the thread explode? almost everyone agrees that the register is a good thing, knowing exactly where there are sexual predators in your vicinity is also a good thing so you can make sure your kids/wives/girlfriends avoid those areas, I wish there was something like this set up in the UK even though MY kids are now old enough to take care of themselves. There are a few out there who'll use the list to go pervert hunting but they are in the minority as most people would favour avoidance over hunting.
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@Quest, i agree with your statement to Vasquez "A little education doesn't hurt anyone" i also know the Jessicas Law and how that came to be, my wife and i watched a movie based on that law/story last year.
Also the 17 year old child sex offender was in Australia, he was done for having sex with a minor under the age of 16(1 count) and for having sex with a minor under the age of 13(1 count).
@Vasquez, don't take what i stated in my last post wrong, i'm only pointing out that such sites/books that are used to list child sex offenders in/on can be used by those that don't have children yet they are willing to go out and kill a person because of such listings.
@Ang, i had to laugh when i read what you said, no longer than 3-4 years ago here in West Australia a guy was arrested for having sex with a duck, he was caught in someones back yard with his pants down around his knees and duck in hands.
In an interview the woman of the house stated she awoke to a duck making a screeching noise like something was really hurting it...
Message edited on: 03/03/2006 02:53
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Theres no mistaking a police mug shot and the physical description provided, the nature of the crime together with the persons home address. At least now you know and if you have children youre better off in protecting them.
I would without a doubt put the safety, health and well-being of a child before a convicted sex offenders civil liberties any time. We need as a society to get our priorities straight and we need to protect our children, the weakest members of our society and our future resources.
Message edited on: 03/03/2006 11:32
I'm curious how exactly this has anything to do with graphics design? Are you making a balloon-flyby of a sex crime in progress, and needed this site for research? What's scary about sex-crimes is that in every other part of the world, throughout history, people have had sex, but in America it's nearly illegal. In America, if you have sex with a person two years younger than you it can be considered criminal. Yet nobody thinks to question this? I am disgusted by the victimization that America puts itself through. Everyone is so afraid of the most pathetic things. It's as if living ear a sex-offender would somehow put your child in greater risk? Like an act of nature or the effect of gravity on proximity? That's ridiculous! Teach your children to defend themselves, and teach them to beware of strangers. That's it. There's nothing scary about it. What's scary is how weak-minded and afraid everyone is. Is this a nation of total pansies? This sounds harsh, no? Well it has as much to do with Renderosity as the entire rest of the conversation, and I enjoy playing devil's advocate, but alas I also have children and am merely voicing an alternate viewpoint.
OT means 'off topic' This thread has nothing to do with graphics design and it has nothing to do with sex. Its about crime and there is a huge difference between having sex and using sex to violate another person. And last time I was aware of it, it was not illegal for me to have sex. I am grateful that I live in a country that does treat forcible sex as a crime. If I say no, I do not think that I deserve to be punched in the face, thrown to the ground and ... etc. I think this website can be useful as a tool, but certainly not relied upon to replace common sense and good judgement. Just because the guy down the street isn't on the list does not automatically mean he's safe to hire as a handyman. And Mizrael I'm sorry that it was your relative. Not sure about what you've seen, but the page I viewed gave a description of their crime. Not all of the men were pediphiles.
Hey, must be our old discombobulated friend LSD from Oregon. Always likes to make a spotlight entrance and loves the attention. Doesnt know that OT means Off Topic and cant keep a post on track. Figures hes from Oregon, one of the 6 states that are not looking out for their kids. Just goes to show what type of people live there. It's as if living ear a sex-offender would somehow put your child in greater risk? Megan Kanka, a little 7-year-old girl from Hamilton Township, New Jersey. Megan was raped and murdered on the 29th of July, 1994. The man charged with the crime was a twice-convicted sex offender who had moved in across the street from the Kanka family. Megans Law is named after her. Maybe youd like to say the same thing to her parents. Oh, thats right, maybe she didnt know how to defend herself.
"Having viewed my area, I can honestly say, they all look like scum."
I wasn't going to post to this grim thread, but...
Child molesters are scum. But people with kids to care for should never make the mistake of thinking that child molesters 'look' like scum. Child molesters can look like anyone and everyone else.
I read an interview with a convicted child molester (still sexually attracted to kids but appalled at himself) who stressed that the most important identifying factor to be concerned with is the seeking of access to children - especially private access.
While there are 'scum looking' child molesters who hang around outside schools or abduct children randomly, these are likely to be the unsuccessful or, at most, the occasionally 'lucky' ones. The skilful and successful ones (and least exposed) are likely to be those who exploit a position of trust - a position they have by default (family member, friend or appropriate position of responsibility) or manoeuvre themselves into (becoming family member, friend or appropriate position of responsibility).
Not everyone who likes children is a child molester, but all child molesters want access to children - they especially want to be alone with children. The real danger to your child might not be the ugly-looking freak on a website; it might be your brother!
As a disturbing aside to an already disturbing issue, I can relate my experience of attending a roller skating rink about a decade ago. I was astonished at the level of 'clothes on' sexual activity going on between children of pre-teen and teen age (and I'm not just talking about kissing). I discussed this with a social worker friend of mine (concerned about what to do), and she said it was absolutely typical for a large sub sector of society, and fairly common in all sectors (and that there was nothing I could usefully do).
Possibly the biggest group engaged in illegal sexual activity with children is - other children.
That would make the online registers look a bit different...
I must apologize for my 'scum' comment. It was totally out of line. In fact I think most of us would admit our driver license photos make us look hideous too. I agree with PJF, many, many offenders are relatives or trusted family friends. And worse yet, many parents won't believe their child when they do tell. Its so hard to believe someone you trust is capable of doing horrible things. Ok, I'm done.
I'm actually rather glad i dont have to worry about this yet (as i have no kids to look after) 'cause looking at this kinda content would probably not be a very happy experience. I think it is entirely stupid to make a law about legal ages to have sex at as it is a personal thing, however what is of much, much higher importance are the laws that should enforce that no one will be forced into sexual activities against their will. And they should make sure any offenders get some REAL damn punishment if they do molest someone! As long as there's sicko's who can molest children for many years which only get like 2 years in jail or such, I'm not going to be impressed at all by anthing. The people who made these lame-ass laws we have now have nooooo idea of the impact these things can have on someones life. Not the slightest fucking clue...
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"...no one will be forced into sexual activities against their will."
To make a technical but essential point:
With adults and sex the issue is clear - consent is either granted or not. That's the difference between legitimacy and abuse.
With children and sex, consent cannot ever be granted because it can never be informed consent. Even if a child desires sexual activity with an adult (and they sometimes do), it is still an act of abuse by an adult to exploit that desire. And, in my view, any such desire on the part of a child is never a mitigating circumstance on the guilt of an adult.
Adults are, by definition, responsible. Children are, by definition, not responsible.
My point was that living in fear is stupid and weak. There are three major roles to play in response to such things which follow the outlines of melodrama : The Hero, the Villain, and the Victim.
As a post-abuse person, one can either cry about it for the rest of his/her life (Victim), go on to commit more abuse (Villain), or move on and possibly help others move on (Hero).
We live in a nation of Victims, people cowering in fear because they are too weak to make any changes and require the Victim mindset to make themselves feel important.
I merely disagree with this mentality and prefer the third alternative, that of the "Hero".
Quest, you make no sense, but I will tell you my point again since you missed it : you are simply adding to the Victim viewpoint, generating and recycling fear, and I know that "OT" means Off-Topic but don't see that this gives you any reason to spread more fear and victimization. And I don't do drugs, whatever you may think.
Message edited on: 03/04/2006 19:26
OT- little thread about what i feel.
You don't have read it if you don't want to.
No one is forcing you to read or even partake in the thread. This post obviously only concerns people in Italy.
I am amazed how ppl here at renderosity are replying to Quest's childish answers and to this dreadful thread with calm and self control. It's really a great forum.
I am astonished how some ppl can accept so naturally the "public service" offered by that site.
Fear generates fear that generates violence.
Do you really want to life with the fear of having a potential former sex-abuser, near your home?
Fear distracts from reality.
Do you really want to spend your life looking at a website while your brother or your son may be outside committing sexual abuses?
Justice is not revenge!
The pillory was used during middle ages, fortunately our society evolved.
When a government or an organization are doing laws or "public services" they must be right and equal. They have not to be clouded by fear of revenge, because the law has to protect the rights of everyone.
People can not be divided in bad and good guys, heroes or villains, terrorists or democracy exporters.
Every single person is a constellation of feelings, is the sum of past events. Everyone can do a mistake, everyone has the right to be healed, everyone need a second chance.
"...everyone has the right to be healed, everyone need a second chance."
Nine year old Jessica Lunsford was never able to heal; she didn't get a second chance.
"People can not be divided in bad and good guys, heroes or villains..."
That minority view is why John Evander Couey was permitted a second (third, fourth?) chance - he used it to rape and murder Jessica Lunsford.
My opinion on this is that we are all taking this registry thing as too much of what it is. Its not an absolute solution to anything. It is not a wholly good or wholly bad thing. Its like anything else. Guns kill people / no people kill people the arguement between those opposed and those pro gun restriction. Drink drivers are dangerous, therefore lets reinstate prohibition. But does that mean everyone who drinks also drives. There are endless examples of things that are good and bad. No one should look at that site and live in fear because there is a predator in their neighborhood. But there will be people who will do that, however there will also be people smart enough to know that there is always that danger no matter whether or not a predator is listed in their neighborhood. I doubt that many people will obsess over viewing this website constantly, but there are those who don't have a life and will do this, just like those who watch tv endlessly. My point to all this is, Its just another piece of information in our world. Long ago, communites were small and everyone knew each other, went to the same church, social events, etc. When something happened word of mouth spred it quickly and everyone was informed. Regarding living in fear, when my daughter was 4 we moved into a trailor park (sort of a small community situation). The crimes and violence that existed there could consume a person with fear if they let it. While we lived there A man who lived two trailers up and one over from us, went to take his 8 yr old out of school, but the school refused, later that day he and his wife were found dead. Murder/suicide the man didn't want to go back to prison for molesting his daughter. Another man in the trailor park is serving a long sentence for murdering a woman, he claims to not remember it because of the drugs he was doing at the time. And just weeks after moving out of the trailor into a house, the trailor right across the street from our bedroom had a police standoff, where finally they got in and shot and killed the man. This was a part of the environment of the trailor park. If I took it for those events, my child would never have left the home, let alone go off and play with others. But despite these and many other events, I did let her go and play and do things. I did my best to teach her about dangers and left what happened up to fate. The registry is just a tool, some will use it properly, some will use it improperly and others won't use it at all.
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No, thank you Quest for bringing up this wonderful topic for us to all digest and extrapolate. We also all know where you stand on this matter. I actually do find Vasquez and Ang's viewpoints interesting, though, and feel very similar in many ways. Humankind stems from atrocities and horrific acts of violence, but that's hopefully not where we are going. Think of it on a long-term scale as humanity's growing pains, but instead of the cells aching it's us, the individual people. Just perspective, and of course it doesn't make anything feel better...?
Vasquez, Inferno Darkness, like I said above there is no debate here, this registry is already available in 88% (44 out of 50) states in the US. Within weeks of little Megan Kankas death, over 200,000 signatures were gathered demanding New Jersey pass "Megan's Law; and in 1994, a FEDERAL crime measure provided similar provisions for the protection of COMMUNITIES.
"Megan's Law" requires states to notify law enforcement officials and the COMMUNITY when a convicted sex offender moves into the area.
"Megan's Law" passed in the HOUSE early in May by an impressive and overwhelming vote of 418 to ZERO (thats a goose-egg, zero, zip, nada). President Clinton (a democrat not a republican) signed the legislation on May 17, 1996. Not that were debating amongst ourselves if whether or not for the registry to be put into law, IT ALREADY IS THE LAW.
Vasquez, your concern and phobic shrill to stop this thread is much ado over nothing. Furthermore, you offer no background understanding of the subject. If we stopped the dissemination of knowledge every time people like you didnt like or didnt understand something, wed still be in the middle ages.
I am amazed how ppl here at renderosity are replying to Quest's childish answers and to this dreadful thread with calm and self control. It's really a great forum.
I am astonished how some ppl can accept so naturally the "public service" offered by that site.
Fear generates fear that generates violence.
Do you really want to life with the fear of having a potential former sex-abuser, near your home?
Let me just clarify a few things for you, first, Im not asking any question, particularly childish ones, Ive stated what needed to be stated and thats it, no debate required.
Secondly, people accept naturally the public service because it is a public service set forth by our government as such. This is a law that the majority of the people of this country wanted and got.
Thirdly, you are totally off your mark when you insinuate that the registry is fear and that this fear will generate violence. This is the same argument that the remaining 12% of the country (Inferno Darknesss homies) and the ACLU like to brandish in opposition to this law but it has no teeth based in fact. The fact is that the law comes with stiff penalties and a zero tolerance attitude toward vigilantism. Yes, theres been a few cases and as it turns out, at least one vigilante was shot and killed by the police. Also, the law outlines the fact that the community can be proactive in that once they know who the offenders are, they can notify the authorities when suspicious behavior first starts to materialize such as seeing offenders hanging around school grounds or seeing offenders conversing with children. According to the site there are 425 sex offenders living in my immediate area and try as hard as I could, I found no documented attempts at vigilantism against sexual offenders in my area. Go figure, youd think I could have a field day popping perverts.
Fourthly and lastly, Inferno Darkness you can take heed here also, if you live in fear, it is only because you allow yourself to do so. Not knowing is fear. Being kept in the dark, like mushrooms away from illumination and feeding on BS is what ignorance and fear reaps. I would much more prefer to know who my enemies are and who the enemies of my family are so that I can be prepared and form a plan in order to protect my family and be able to point out to my family who to look out for. To tell children that if: this person talks to you, do not talk back but come and tell me immediately. Otherwise, your children will not know and they WILL BE AT RISK despite what others here might think! From a famous Arabian proverb: HOLD YOUR FRIENDS CLOSE, BUT HOLD YOUR ENEMIES CLOSER.
Fifthly, if youre not familiar with or a student of American politics and law then you should try to adhere to the cautions provided in the subject (US only) meaning that the subject matter pertained to US matters. Not that everyone else was exempt. Students of history, anthropology, sociology, criminology, philosophy, logistics, and law are welcomed. As are those that have honest questions.
As with the 12% of the country and the ACLU (American Communist Lawyers Union: my acronym for them), you will get people who live in La-La land who think these perves deserve a chance. Then there are those that take this simplistic ideology that all of this information only leads to victimization of the masses for some strange reason. I can only say that these people are nae and gullible almost in the extreme. Fortify yourselves with knowledge and the truth.
I applaud the law that allows me, even if I didnt have children, to watch out for yours. And those with children should be thankful for people like that. Since not everyone is privileged to have children. Left up to me, once proven guilty I would like incarceration for these animalistic, sadistic predators for life without parole since theres a very high recidivism rate (re-arrest for the same crime multiple times). But that not being the present option, I would settle for Jessicas Law, which is gaining momentum in several states, which offer a MINIMUM of 25 years with a MAXIMUM of life on a first offense. For those who get flustered, they still have three appeals.
We are all intelligent enough to understand that this registry is not the perfect solution to the problem. That yes, it must be tempered but tempered more to the protection of the community rather than the felon. We fully understand that not all sexual offenders are listed since firstly, we cannot know who future offenders will be and where will they live. And secondly that often the list is flawed because some offenders use phony names and addresses. To this I personally say, the perpetrators that resort to this in such a felony, that their probation should be immediately revoked and their prior time reinstated plus added time for having not followed protocol. But we have a ways to go yet with this. But its a start in the right direction.
While we struggle to find that magic, perfect solution to the problem of child sexual predators and sexual offenders in general, the question becomes: What do we do in the meantime? How much human suffering, how much psychological damage, how many lost innocents can society take? When does enough become enough? The bigger question in moral terms comes in the form of: Does the good outweigh the bad to society? To this end, I must say, and so has 88% of my fellow Americans that the institution of the registry and Megans Law does outweigh the bad given that the felons in it have been through the judicial system and have been found guilty by a jury of their peers as put forth by the law of the land.
I do not forget, that there is that far a few situation when the innocent are sent to jail unjustly but this, for now, is a separate and in the total scale of things a smaller topic.
Well it certainly took you awhile to concoct that twisting of all our words, Quest. My point which you missed is that I do NOT live in fear, of anything including rape. And my children do not either, nor shall they have anything to fear. "...Inferno Darkness you can take heed here also, if you live in fear, it is only because you allow yourself to do so." Are you having a rough time spelling "infernal"? It's actually right on your screen. Apparently you've never been raped Quest, or perhaps you'd have a better understanding of this tragedy. My main point was that this entire thread merely spreads useless fear, not knowledge, of the "situation". We already know that the world is evil and vile and full of rapists, murderers, bastards, assassins and thieves. If one lives such a sheltered life that they do not already know this, and need some website to point out the already totally obvious nature of humanity, then one won't last long in the real world emotionally or physically. The basic rule is this : always support strength, never support weakness. Not to say life is passionless or compassionless, but when you make it "okay" to live in fear, you merely condone weakness and thus lessen humanity's overall strength. "Not knowing is fear." So do you believe that people who don't know the material makeup of the SUN live in extreme fear of it? Nobody knows, so we're all afraid of it? Do you think that knowing where the sex offenders that actually got caught live will change anything? Were you going to send children to random peoples' houses in your area or something? You will note that these are rhetorical questions, and also require no debate. You will also note that no requirements exist here for a topic to BE debatable. This website and these laws will not stop ONE single sex-offense that you can record or prove. So what exactly does it do besides spread fear? Fact is, for every sex-offender they show there are ten or twenty more that they don't show, maybe a thousand.
Yes, Mizrael its putting the communities eyes squarely on the perpetrator. The perp is marked and everyone is keeping track of him.
Infernal, inferno both refers to hell. You keep changing your username it seems almost as often as you change your socks and its difficult to keep track of those who keep trying to go incognito for whatever reasons.
Well it certainly took you awhile to concoct that twisting of all our words, Quest.
LOLyou obviously are suffering under the delusion that somehow my time is indebted to you. That somehow Im here to cater to your slanted views and hyperboles. Actually I wasnt even intending to reply further to this thread after post 34 when I said I was done. Thats when you started your insensitive ranting about some, off the wall, clueless convoluted conspiracy theory of victimizing the world. You seem to be living in a world of moral relativism and you dont even know it. But the laughable thing of it is that you offer no justification for what youre saying. No proof, no documentation no nothing just lip service. The little information you do provide is totally off the wall and flat out wrong and as contorted as your soapbox. Then you speak of it as if it were a matter of fact.
My main point was that this entire thread merely spreads useless fear, not knowledge, of the "situation".
At least, unlike yourself, Im not spreading disinformation and hot air. Further, I will bet you money to donuts that anyone reading this thread will walk away better informed about child sex abuse, statistics on sex abuse, Magens Law, Jessicas Law and know where to go to get information on sex offenders in their neighborhood if thats what they want. You certainly didnt provide that information. In fact, you provided no facts.
From now on, every state in the country will be required by law to tell a community when a dangerous sexual predator enters its midst. We respect peoples rights, but today America proclaims there is no greater right than a parents right to raise a child in safety and love. Today America warns: If you dare to prey on our children, the law will follow you wherever you go, state to state, town to town. Today, America circles the wagon around our children. MEGANS LAW WILL PROTECT TENS OF MILLIONS OF FAMILIES FROM THE DREAD OF WHAT THEY DO NOT KNOW. It will give peace of mind to our parents.
President Clinton (1996) in the Bill signing ceremony for Megans Law) My uppercase.
This notification is not intended to increase fear, rather it is Our belief that an informed public is a safer public
Matson and Lieb(1996b: 22; Appendix 1)
Matson and Liebs (1996: 6) review of Megans Law across fifty states
Community Notification: Megans Law allows the States discretion to establish criteria for disclosure, but compels them to make private and personal information on registered sex offenders available to the public.
Community notification:
Assists law enforcement in investigations;
Establishes legal grounds to hold known offenders;
Deters sex offenders from committing new offenses;
Offers citizens information they can use to protect children from victimization.
"For too long children have mercilessly died at the hands of vicious child predators - Megan Kanka, Sara Anne Wood, My Ly Nghiem and Polly Klaas, Parents will finally have this crucial information they need to protect their children from society's sickest individuals. Megan's Law is a forceful, effective tool parents and law enforcement can use to help prevent future tragedies."
Senate Deputy Majority Leader Dean Skelos
"Too many families have suffered as a result of the fiendish actions of convicted sex offenders. By creating a sex offender registry, we are giving law enforcement an additional tool to help solve these violent and brutal crimes - and protecting other children from becoming victims, With Megan's Law now on the books, we can now provide communities with vital information that will help to spare families from unspeakable horrors and shield our most vulnerable citizens."
NYS Attorney General Vacco
"Our efforts to enact Megan's Law were aimed at protecting the safety of innocent children by keeping close watch over convicted criminals who would prey on them,"
Senate Majority Leader Joseph L. Bruno
ID: The basic rule is this : always support strength, never support weakness.
As if we need advice from the likes of you. Knowledge is strength and an informed united community makes us stronger yet.
The most basic intended consequence of notification is to open eyes. Information
exchange within the community is seen, perhaps above all, as a process of knowing
thine enemy. The police surveillance apparatus is much expanded through informal
public scrutiny, or as Bedarf (1995) puts it, under hundreds of watchful eyes it is
more difficult for a sex offender to escape into anonymity.
Does Megans Law Work? A Theory-Driven Systematic Review
Ray Pawson
ESRC UK Centre for Evidence Based Policy and Practice
Queen Mary University of London
ID: So do you believe that people who don't know the material makeup of the SUN live in extreme fear of it? Nobody knows, so we're all afraid of it?
Now youre playing with semantics and BS rhetoric. Whats the matter, you have nothing useful to contribute besides this dribble? You can learn something if you read the quotations above from prominent personages in our society.
ID: Do you think that knowing where the sex offenders that actually got caught live will change anything?
This must be a trick question, right? You must be living in a vacuum if you dont know that many activist groups, community watch groups, schools boards, school busing companies, zoning boards and committees have changed their schedules, have instituted buffer zones, and proximity zone limits in different parts of the country. In some areas sex offenders are not allowed to live closer than 2500 feet from schools, parks and any areas frequented by children. Obviously this is only a small example of positive change.
ID: Fact is, for every sex-offender they show there are ten or twenty more that they don't show, maybe a thousand.
There you go again pretending to be talking facts when you really dont know what youre talking about.
Whilst compliance rates initially seem to be low following the enactment of
state registers, evidence from Washington suggests that compliance rates
improve as offenders become better acquainted with the new law. Initial rates
in 1990 of 57% increased to 76% in 1991 and were over 80% in 1992
(Washington Institute for Public Policy, 1994),
Police sayIt's estimated that one in five don't (register).
Paula Zahn anchor CNN News April 21, 2005
Parenthesis and its content added by me to provide concise context.
ten or twentymaybe a thousandreally? What comic book are you getting your sources from? Some quick averaging math: There are approximately 450,000 sex offenders in the US. Approx. 1 in 5 = 20% (1992 statistics) dont register. 450,000 x 20% = 90,000. In 50 states means that on average 1,800 unregistered offenders are scattered per state and you think theyre all up the block from you?
Like I said, this is not a debate, the law is in place in all 50 states bar none. How each individual state handles the registry is another matter. I offered this site as a site, which deals with sexual offenders on a national level. Each state has its own form of the registry. Its there to be used free of charge by the people. This is a tool to be used. Think of it the same way as you would when you inform and arm yourself with knowledge when you get ill to better combat a disease. Sexual predators are a blight on our society and there is no more a loathed and reviled creature.
Attached Link: http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2005-08-24-sex-crimes-cover_x.htm?POE=NEWISVA
Proof that more is less, Quest. I suggest that you make your next response as long and unthoughtful as possible, and perhaps then you will feel justified in your abstraction. "The most common use of abstraction is to conceal contradictions. It must be noted that that abstracting process has been demonstrated to be infinite." --Culture Lag, an unpublished work by Jorj X. McKie I have never changed my screen-name. You have me mistaken for someone else, which is fun and funny at the same time! There's nothing quite so exhilarating as pointing out the shortcomings of others, except of course to point out our own. "This is a tool to be used." Used how? What are you going to use it for, if not a witch-hunt? If you don't have the tenacity to degender the so-called offenders, then what do you intend to do with them? This abstract suggestion of violence disgusts me. "...a blight on our society and there is no more a loathed and reviled creature." Your world of fear and loathing is your own. To state that "there is no more a loathed and reviled creature." doesn't make it so, for in my world there are many more loathed and reviled creatures. The greed-hungry politicians, the weak-minded thralls that dote on their every words, the murderous war-hungry military leaders, the religious hypocrites who have tormented humanity with their lies for thousands of years, and on like that. So because I disagree with you on this topic, you attempt to insult me, degrade me, mistake my identity and take out some deep-seated revulsion upon me, and scorn me? And you think yourself a decent person? How are you any different than the sexual violaters, when you violate my personality with each new inane response? But I must apologize for a previous comment of mine. I mistook YOU for "Orbital", Quest, in my comment about balloons. Take it as a compliment, for you both do stunning work in Bryce. '"It's not the creepy guy who moves in next door you need to be most concerned about, but family, friends people who have access to your children on a regular basis," says Pamela Schultz, author of Not Monsters: Analyzing the Stories of Child Molesters. She says most kids are abused by people they know.' Now having read this, perhaps it's time to live in even more fear, of our own brothers and sisters and parents? I think not. In your world, Quest, if someone types it up then it's obviously the absolute truth of the Universe. And this news clip is intended to decrease your fear Quest, I found it just for you and hope it helps you sleep better tonight.
In my statement about "fact is", I purposely made the following a non-fact. An opinion. And in doing so, coerced you (Quest) into coughing up a bunch of statistics which are no closer to "facts" than my own idiotic statement was. Statistics don't even closely resemble facts. Averaging criminal rates doesn't bring you any closer to "The Truth". And on top of THAT, how many sexual offenders do you think they actually catch? Most offenses don't even make it to prosecution, as they are hidden and stuffed away by embarassed families and "loved ones". And what of the more recent religious exposure? Do you think that since errant priests rape boys and girls that ALL churches harbor such deviants? There are churches all over this nation. Would you have us live in fear every time we pass by one? I really don't mean to be so personal, but it's a personal issue. I have dealt with more rape, murder, and sexual victimization in my life than any human ever should, and have a very accurate perspective on the results of such atrocities on peoples' minds including my own. So to make my point (finally?), I don't think that there's anything wrong with having a registry, but I also don't think it helps anything. What HAS been helping is the personal interactions inside our society. The stigmata of being a victim is lifting, especially since almost everyone is a victim of such things. The effect this has on future sex-crimes is that it helps to break the cycles of abuse, and helps abused people realize they don't have to become abusers. I have witnessed this in my own lovers and family members, as well as in society as a whole. The pressures of archaic conservative sexual morals are lifting and as a result people are less repressed, and don't view sex as a heroin-esque form of escape. Sex is becoming less of a drug and more of a biological function or romantic desire... I wish you well Quest, and mean no personal insult to you. But I also hope that you really don't live in fear of something you can't prevent or change, but instead focus on other things in life you CAN change. May there be peace between us all.
Yet again you regale us with more hot air and nonsense. Its interesting that you should bring up the subject of abstraction since you clearly use it so well. You seem to have a good practicing handle on it since it is so blatantly obvious that youve offered no facts anywhere in this thread.
ID: "This is a tool to be used." Used how? What are you going to use it for, if not a witch-hunt?
You obviously have chosen not to read my last post in its entirety or you have chosen to conveniently disregard what was said, for the answer to your question is there and throughout this thread.
ID: To state that "there is no more a loathed and reviled creature." doesn't make it so, for in my world there are many more loathed and reviled creatures. The greed-hungry politicians, the weak-minded thralls that dote on their every words, the murderous war-hungry military leaders, the religious hypocrites
Although its not surprising, Im sorry to see that someone could have their priorities so screwed up. No doubt that politicians, thralls, military leaders, religious hypocrites and a few others that go unmentioned pose their on world of abstraction and loathing but were not talking about those now in this thread, are we? Thats meat for another thread. Your tendency to mix and match different topics and try to bundle them to fit your needs is shameful at best. I think it goes without saying and most sane people would agree that the predatory animal that stalks, connives, intimidates, psychologically debases, tortures, mutilates, sexually abuses and sometimes murders their tiny helpless child victims is the lowest form of life on this planet. That you would think otherwise really takes some twisted stretch of the imagination.
ID: So because I disagree with you on this topic, you attempt to insult me, degrade me, mistake my identity and take out some deep-seated revulsion upon me, and scorn me? And you think yourself a decent person?
As Ive said many times throughout this thread: THIS IS NOT A DEBATE. Then you proceed to insult me by derailing and hijacking my thread for some self-serving mumbo jumbo from left field that has little or nothing to do with the subject specifically at hand (an abstraction as you would call it). Then you insult the memories of those little children and their families by talking trash. You went further to take liberties and accuse me of spreading fear, not knowledge and you couldnt be more wrong. I suggest you dont hold your breath waiting for an apology is all I have to say. There are people here who know me, I dont feel particularly compelled enough to demonstrate my decency to you. In fact, Ive put up with your rambling rant instead of telling you to go take a hike early on so I would consider that decent of me.
When people disagree they offer proof and references for their disagreement. So far, youve offered nothing. The only link you offered backfires and serves to fortify my contention on the registry program.
ID: "It's not the creepy guy who moves in next door you need to be most concerned about, but family, friends people who have access to your children on a regular basis," says Pamela Schultz, author of Not Monsters: Analyzing the Stories of Child Molesters. She says most kids are abused by people they know.'
Now having read this, perhaps it's time to live in even more fear, of our own brothers and sisters and parents?
In your haste to put your foot in your mouth you missed that discussion between posts 31 34 where I agreed with both PJF and Ang about it often is a person close to the family and can even be related. Again you demonstrate a your flair for drama and exaggeration (abstraction) by implying that I somehow am encouraging that we should be cowering under our beds from fear. You really dont know me otherwise you wouldnt be saying that.
ID: Quest, if someone types it up then it's obviously the absolute truth of the Universe.
Lets see who my sources are:
Matson and Liebs (1996: 6) review of Megans Law across fifty states a legal journal
http://www.meganslaw.org/ - Megans Law official website
Does Megans Law Work? A Theory-Driven Systematic Review
by Ray Pawson a research paper from ESRC UK Centre for Evidence Based Policy and Practice from Queen Mary University of London
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/crimoff.htm - The United States Department of Justice
http://www.sexoffender.com/sorecidivism_review.html
- a resource site supplying information on recidivism in sexual offenders put forth by the Center for Sex Offender Management (CSOM) - a collaborative effort of the Office of Justice Programs, the National Institute of Corrections
Washington Institute for Public Policy - non-partisan, state research institution
Direct quotes from:
Former President Clinton
Senate Deputy Majority Leader Dean Skelos
NYS Attorney General Vacco
Senate Majority Leader Joseph L. Bruno
Yep, my sources are reputable and certifiable. I would no doubt accept their testimony over yours any time.
Now, lets look and see what youve offered by way of a single source: USA Today News, a far from reliable source BTW, but it sometimes holds some good information. First of all, Im very happy to see that they used one of the sources I sited here, Roxanne Lieb from the Washington Institute for Public Policy. Im also happy to see that they also give credit to the registry among other developments for the decline on sex offense crimes. I am particularly happy that sex offenses are down in general. It also spotlights another staunch supporter, John Walsh of Americas Most Wanted fame:
"There are still huge gaps in the system," says John Walsh, host of the Fox network's America's Most Wanted, whose son Adam was murdered by a pedophile in 1981. "There's no good tracking" of repeat offenders, he says. All states now require convicted sex offenders to register, but Walsh says oversight and penalties for non-compliance are insufficient.
I agree totally, as I said in post 44 about stiffening penalties for those not registering or giving false information. Congress needs to come down harder on these animals.
Thank you for that link.
To stay with Walsh, last month he made these comments in Florida, Naples Grande as part of a fundraiser for the National Center for Missing & Exploited Children Collier County:
Referring to Edward Ziesmers a child sex predator (abducting and raping a 4-year-old girl): This guy fell through the cracks. Ive seen this happen over and over again. And until we have tougher legislation, these scumbags are going to keep taking advantage of the system
The Predator Act proposes that offenders give DNA and immediately register after being released from prison. Failure to do so would result in five to 25 years in a federal prison
We know you cant cure em Walsh said. They are incurable, the whole psychological world says so. You know you cant put them where I would like to put them ...
somewhere on a penal colony on Mars or six feet under. So if you cant cure them and you cant keep them in jail long enough, I think we have the damn right to know that they live right next door to us.
Walsh joked about designing a microchip to put into released sex offenders that would blow up when they got near a child or a school.
ID: And what of the more recent religious exposure?There are churches all over this nation. Would you have us live in fear every time we pass by one?
Those animals belong at the very top of the sexual offender registry for their deceit as religious leaders. Wolves in sheeps clothing. Again you abstract and exaggerate about fear.
ID: I really don't mean to be so personal, but it's a personal issue. I have dealt with more rape, murder, and sexual victimization in my life than any human ever should, and have a very accurate perspective on the results of such atrocities on peoples' minds including my own.
You make it sound as if you are the sole authority on the subject. Is this more abstract blustering and exaggeration? The fact is that most of us know someone or have experienced some of or all of those atrocities you mention. Its all around us and thats why we need to stop it any way we can. Obviously you would rather we did nothing.
ID: So to make my point (finally?), I don't think that there's anything wrong with having a registry, but I also don't think it helps anything.
Finally is an understatement! Now thats a disagreement and should have been the first thing that you should have posted in a debate, which this is not for reasons already mentioned, instead of trashing innocent victims. But sadly, you have nothing to back you up and the only thing you offered encourages the registry and extols it as part of the reason for the decrease in sexual offenses.
ID: But I also hope that you really don't live in fear of something you can't prevent or change, but instead focus on other things in life you CAN change.
Further bloviating and exaggeration about fear. I certainly dont live my life in fear by any stretch of the imagination. Passing stronger sexual abuse laws can change lives. Is this long enough for you LSD?
Message edited on: 03/09/2006 13:00
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Attached Link: http://familywatchdog.us/
This site is a must have especially for parents of young children and others that have a need to be on guard from sexual predators and its entirely free. This site covers all states except six: Oregon, Pennsylvania, Vermont, Nevada, South Dakota and Rhode Island. These States dont post sexual criminals addresses. You can help by trying to change those states laws.You input your address and a map comes up of your area with little colored boxes. Each box indicates a sexual criminal living or working in that area. The map also provides all the schools in the area. On the lower left sidebar is the map legion indicating what each colored box signifies: Offenses against children, rape, sexual battery, other offenses.
Clicking on any box brings up the offenders Name and address. His physical description, his mug shot, the nature of his convictions and even how far they are from you in miles. More than likely you will be surprised. Who knows, maybe even someone you know personally but wasnt aware of their extra curricular activities.
Clicking on a school icon provides the file on the offender/s living closest to that school.
You can even subscribe to the site if you want to be notified if a sexual offender moves near you.
Even if you yourself have no need for this service, Im sure that there are many people you know for whom this site would provide a needed service. So pass it on freely!