i made the mistake of uploading a picture the other day with a male figure on the thumbnail!!!!! and now have a grand total of 44 hits!!!!! no tits no hits!!!! so am i supposed to use boobs in my thumbnails regardless of whether there are any in my picture or not!!! just so people are curious enough to click on it!!!! "oooh! look!! that thumb has polygons and spleens and nurbs that are shaped just like a booby" CLICK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! welcome to my tuesday rant!!!!!!!! Have a Magic day!!!

Vince!!!

Yep, same old story. I'm not even bothered to post most of my images anymore. Once in a while I do so, but since the majority of viewers around here only wants to see pics with (partial) nudity and skips the rest, I really can't be bothered to post my images. I'd rather post them somewhere else where people at least do enjoy looking at them.

I thought artists created art for their own pleasure, not the amount of 'hits' they get  shrug

Personally, I'll only click on an interesting thumb, and titty thumbs rarely.

not much point uploading here if you don't get hits though really is there!!!

You mean fluffy happy cute little bunnies don't attract clicks !?! 

Ack !

Well I create pics because I like to. BUT I POST them to get comments.

And I totally know what you mean, Vince. I do mostly males and yeah.. it's not the pics that gets the highest rating in general. Now my pics are usually somewhat niche anyway, so if I get more than a few comments, I'm overjoyed.Actually.. I looked at your pic. I'm assuming it's the magazine cover thingie? Yeah you haven't got many hits but you've got a splendid comment-to-hits ratio.

What's the good in 2000 people LOOKING if none of them comments? I'd rather have 10 hits and 8 comments... :o)

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What's the good in 2000 people LOOKING if none of them comments? I'd rather have 10 hits and 8 comments... :o)

Thank you for summing up what I was trying to write.  I deleted my post a number of times because I didn't feel I was making my point.

That's exactly what I feel.  I create art for me and what is pleasing for my eyes to look at.  If in the process others happen to like what I've done, then that's just a bonus, but it's not my goal when I'm creating or posting something.  I'd rather know what people think when they look at my images, rather than have people click and look and leave. For all I know they could have looked at it and though "YUCK!" and left after a second, or they could have spent 20 minutes oogling it thinking it was a Picasso!  LOL Ok, the latter is doubtful, but you get my point, hehe

Most nudes in these galleries are done just for the shock effect anyway.  There are very few worth looking at so I rarely bother anymore unless it's in Photography and then you are pretty much assured to be getting "realistic" and quality.

I thought artists created art for their own pleasure, not the amount of 'hits' they get  shrug

Of course not.... only an amateur does that. Artist create art for others to enjoy and if you show your art in place where no one seems to enjoy it, show it somewhere else.

You may also be interested in these "Do tits equal hits" discussions in this forum (past 12 months only):

Your most ever viewed pic
How to get more impact in the galleries
Nudity overkill
An interesting experiment in the galleries
Is it getting nasty out there?
Plus many more available exclusively in the archives! LOL

Sorry to be flip. It's just such an old, old subject... The first one in that list though does give pause for thought, as many of us found our most viewed images weren't necessarily nudes (or not nude thumbs, anyway.)

I like to get hits, but I don't care one way or the other. I make my art for my own sake. (When my computer is actually functioning, that is.)

Why do people get so concerned? If you don't get hits, then people may just not be interested in your work. Big deal. I don't care if someone likes what I do. I like what I like. You say tomato, I say, well, I guess it all types the same anyway, so bad example.

Seriously though, here is a good tip to get hits. Hit [i]other people's[/i] images. Make comments on other's hard work. You would be surprised how many people who you comment for appreciate it enough to go view your work.

Breast images may get you hits from people casually visitiing the gallery, but are those the people you actually want to attract? My opinion is that I want people who care about art to check out mine. Like ernyoka stated, I would rather 10 hits with 8 constructive comments, than 1200 hits, with no commentary.

When I think one of my pctures is really Faboo I post a thread about it with a link! I certainly don't come whining about tits in the gallery! I mean, what's the point? They're there, I have to wade through a sea of tits to get to one shot of a handsome male, but who cares? You can also try the tried and blue method of giving comments to get some back.

that must be my problem, then..;)  Things that help are

1. Artistic talent- good pictures get looked at, especially if the thumbnail looks good

2. well, you know, the title is true, to an extent. Y'know, there's no reason you can't put a 'girlfriend' in the pic, and put her in the thumbnail.,,how many good-looking people are wandering around single, anyways?..;) Or, failing that, I've seen people arrange primitives, balloons, etc., to suggest that in the thumbnail, and have them as a minor part of the picture. Increases comments as well..;)

3. foolies- I've found that if you put most of the interesting part of the pic in the thumbnail (but not all) that will get some curious lookers. Also, in general, or in the thumbnail, having the eyes looking directly at you helps both get hits, and avoid that 'Vickie on Valium' look..;)

4. for some reason, bright pictures or colors (or high contrast between the 2) get more clicks

5. a suggestive, or double-entendre title never hurts..;)

Sad (or happy, depending on your outlook) to say, you have to reach people by trying to appeal to what they like. It's the eternal conundrum, do what you like and hope they like it, or do what you must to get noticed..a problem with artists (and hobbyists..;) since time immemorable..;)

Oh Man Pakled! Now I'm going to be straining my brain all day trying to remember the book or movie where that incantation in your signature was used! I know I know it! I just can't remember where from! Damn Leaky Brain syndrome!

I know what the signature came from ;) But I don't want to spoil it for you ... Unless you want :)

for mizrael!!!! i would never be so sad as to "give a comment to get a comment" when i visit the galleries and leave comments it is because i liked what someone did!!!! not because i want them to visit my gallery and give me a fake comment back!!!! also i don't have a problem with people who make pictures with boobies in!!! everyone likes boobies!!!it just bothers me how many hits they get when they have a boobie in their thumb!!! for no other reason than they have a boobie in thier thumb!!!! nothing about the boobie in thumb says that if you are to click on it you will see true art!!!! it just says you will see boobies!!!

for karen1573!!!! yeah my most hit piccy is not a nude!!! i haven't really done an obvious nude yet!!! my most hit image is about 1100 hits(Don't look now...(for Danceswithroos)) but i don't see what was in the thumbnail to actually get that many hits!!! that picture i did like because i knew i had done good work with posing/morphing!!!! the latest picture i put up wasn't special to me for any other reason than it was a test render with a character i'm working on(for P6 james) for which i had done morphs and texture so he was completely my creation!!! my first complete character!!! i guess i don't understand why it hasn't had hits!!! because i know it is good!!! i wouldn't upload it if it wasn't good!!!(big head) it just seems like a waste of time uploading anything with a male in 'cause it probally won't get hits!!! also seems a waste of time making a male character as he probally won't get sales(if sold) which seems quite sad really!!!! 

vince, I'm glad your non-nude pic gots so many hits, but in general: 1. you need giant boobs in the thumbnail or 2. you need to tell all yer friends to view it (formerly known as hot20)

LOL!!!!!!!!!

Giving comments to recieve comments isn't nearly as sad as bringing this tired subject back for the billionth time. If you give commments, people are more apt to click on "View Commenter's Gallery" and actually see your image than they would be if they tried wading through the miillions of pictures in the galleries here.

I am very much more prone to view someone's gallery if they've viewed mine and left a comment. I don't promise I'll comment back if I don't see anything I feel needs commenting on. It's a fact of this site with it's size that many images simply go "Unviewed" because they scroll away into the abys rather quickly when a lot of people upload new images at the same time.

You know Vince, not trying to be rude here, but I'd really find your posts a lot easier to read if you'd lay off the excessive exclamation marks.

(Also because in my head you're sounding like Christine in Terry Pratchett's Masquerade, and that's not a good thing for a guy ;-)

i can't say i understand you karen!!! but as you are a moderator i will no longer post anything in these forums!!!!

Quote - I know what the signature came from ;) But I don't want to spoil it for you ... Unless you want :)

Where does it come from?

LOL! I meant to come back and say I remembered about 20 seconds after making that post but I took a nap then I saw Vince's post and totally forgot I'd remembered. The quote is from the movie "Excalibur" about King Arthur and Camelot! A Most excellent movie and I remember walking around repeating that incantation for a week hoping it would work for me! LOL!

Oh and one last comment on the "Courtesy" of viewing the galleries of people who comment on my images. It IS a courtesy. It's not required that people comment back on my stuff, but when someone has taken the time to not only view my stuff, but actually leave a comment on it, the least I can do in appreciation is go look at their gallery and see if anything moves me to comment back.

I find Gallery viewing here to be a bit overwhealming for the most part. There's just so many things to look at and not enough hours in the day if I want to create some of my own. Courtesy viewing is a good habit. Not a sad statement.

Quote - I thought artists created art for their own pleasure, not the amount of 'hits' they get  shrug

Of course not.... only an amateur does that. Artist create art for others to enjoy and if you show your art in place where no one seems to enjoy it, show it somewhere else.

LMAO
DO you really believe that? Posting 'art' at Renderosity does not make you a professional artist. Selling your work and being published does. Generating hits in these galleries (which are not known for their high standards) does not equate to any kind of professionalism at all, it just means you're smart enough to use an upload form.

Art isn't a popularity contest. Art is that primal urge within you that needs to be expressed.
By all means share it with whomever, but less hits doesn't make it less worthy of your vision. I'd prefer my work to stir one single person emotionally (me) rather than get 100 'hits'.

Posting 'art' at Renderosity does not make you a professional artist.

Who said it does? You're reading way to much into the post. Which of course is a major problem around here.

my final post!!! (with exclamation marks!! used as spacing!! and not to emphisise anything!!!) thanks to aeikema for understanding that this is not a serious thread!!! to karen i'm sorry but i don't understand what i said to upset you!! you're reply seems to be some kind of insult aimed at me!!! which is why this will be my last post here!! as you are a  moderator!! and this is your site!! if i'm not welcome then i'm not welcome!!! your comment seems to be indicating that i am gay in some way!!! as a single parent to a four year old!!! (for four years)it makes no sense to me!!! so i don't understand your comments!!! i don't know the movie character you are likening me too!! so don't know what you mean!!to mizrael!! you missunderstood what i meant(probally my fault again) i meant i don't go through the galleries commenting on pictures with a view to them commenting on mine as a result!! i always(usually anyway) look at what someone has posted as a result of them commenting on my image!!! if i like what i am greeted with,or am impresssed then i comment back!!! i like to see where other people are at!! and encouraging others with what they are doing!! but i could never bring myself to comment on someones piccy!! just to get a comment back!! just doesn't seem right to me!!! not genuine feedback!!! anyway sorry i upset some people with my thread!!! it wasn't meant to be serious!!! i've got more important things like keeping my son happy and healthy,than to worry about what anyone here thinks of me!!! so this will be my last post here in the forums!!! i don't think i fit in here!!!

Uh, good for you Vince.  But I think you completely misread her post.  She was simply telling you to stop using exclamation points so excessively, just common online courtesy and exclamation points are not typically used as space fillers, but to denote that the poser is shouting, anxious, angry, hyper, etc.  It can get very tiresome to the eyes and brain.

But it's nice that you spent an entire paragraph defending your sexuality.. ?

AFAIK you're welcome here, vince. don't take anything too seriously.

vince

calm  down...it was a comment on exclamtion marks is all. specially the ones after her name which makes it look like she is being summoned by some superior being. i'm not defending karen btw cos the evil women sent me a cease and desist re the way i was posting lol but you shouldn't take these things personally. btw, i know a few gay one parent dads....and mums.

you can slate me on this one but the best way to have replied was to say....sorry karen didn't realize i was causing a proplem. i'll try and keep em down blah blah blah jmo of course but the reply you sent saying you're the mod i wont post here anymore is a bit fobbish come washer womanish lol.

billy

Vince, that was the funniest thing I have read in a loooong time.

Where exactly did Karen even refer to your sexuality, much less call you "gay?" That's a hoot, pal!

All she did was tell you to lay off the Shift+1 keys. That's it. I don't think it was a lot to ask. Your writing is quite dizzying.

And stop lying. That's more annoying than the whining in the first place. You meant what you wrote in the first post. You didn't go to the effort of starting the 3,437th thread on the subject simply as "a joke."

If you don't feel welcome here, I am sure it has a lot more to do with your own behavior than anyone else's. Everyone answered your post, which is pretty much the purpose of a public message board. If you don't like the answers, that's fine, but don't get all hissy simply because people don't agree with your POV.

Leaving comments "to get comments" isn't really the point that was made. It's pretty much accepted that people go to each other's galleries when those people come to theirs. It's a give and take. It's not shallow, it's [i]courtesy[/i]. People have limited time to look at the galleries. I know, at best, I will look at a couple of pages of new images at a time, tops. That's when I even make it there. Usually the only images I see are people who I have added to my favorites list. Some of those people have commented on mine in the past. Some are those that helped me out in the forums. Some are those I heard about through the grapevine. That's just the way it works. If you don't like it, I don't know how to make you feel better about that.

Have a nice day!

heres a question for you all. out of all those that give hits to tits so to speak....how many would you think are guys and how many women?  wou;l be intersting to know just out of curiosity.

personally i prefer looking at the art which depicts life....grizzled old women with or without tits. kids playing football. old man fishing. summer breezes in a wheat field and crap like that.. i think because poser art is centered around a model or person we get to little art and to much jug.

in general the character or the tit is always the central  theme instead of being the subtle background. constables painting have people in them but they're more incidental than major. they don't look like thy're on a photo shoot hehe. 

ps...to all the tit lovers out there. i love tits as much as the next guy. i just prefer a diff kind of artwork in 2d lol.  so i rarely look at the tit pics,  can't remember who did the stileto pic in another thread but i enjoyed that. everything in the pic was incidental except for  where the shoe was place....it had some kind of importance to the whole piece. it wasn't just there for being there sake if you know what i me...some ps hey

billy pps. i once put two poems in the poem gallery, had about six hits and no  comments. gosh i was completely devastated.......not

:)

I just did a render of a woman that had large chest. It got crap loads of views and comments (compared to comments/views I usually get) and it wasn't my best work. (The character has cleavage and I was just being true to the character...) Then after that ,I did a render that I felt was better and it got 4 comments :D. It featured a teenaged girl and and 80 year old geezer. Nothing naughty, mind you. Just comicbook heroes. People said earlier that tits=hits, but it still surprised me. I guess I am a really slow learner. I don't mind it but I am a little surprised.
  I do what I do and I am pleased with what ever comments/crit I happen to get.  I'd really like to get some constructive critisims once in a while but I guess thats another topic.

I think someone used caffiene to set Vince's mind in motion..;)

I once did a picture of a woman with, well, unrealisticly-sized mammaries, and in face so large, she floated away like a Macy's parade float..;) didn't get that many hits..guess quantity doesn't trump quality..;)

1. "Tits for hits"? Hey, as a fan of the female derriere, never underestimate the power of a lovely butt in your thumbnail to attract hits -- and comments.

2. On a more serious note, one benefit of the new Art Charts is you can quickly browse the Popular Images via the provided links. You might be pleasantly surprised at how many of these works are simply of very high quality, using different mediums, and often not featuring any nudity whatsoever. Of course this doesn't mean the "tits for hits" phenomenom isn't well-established, but it's just a silly exaggeration to say that's the only thing people are interested in, and the only kind of work that gets hits or comments. 

true link dink. i've seen lots of non tit stuff in the galleries.

though as someone else said, the pics change so fast that what i mainly get to see it jug thumbs. as for the art charts. isn't it open to the you stroke my ego and i'll stroke yours syndrome. and won't the pics in the art chart have more chance of staying there cos well...they're already there and get more circulation....if they do the galleries to fit the forums. why cant they do sub-galleries. tits, landscapes, seascapes, modern, post modern (i hate that phrase) erotic, fantasay, garbage etc. saying that we'd probably gets lots of landscape art with tits running througfh wheatfields lmao.

billy

Have a nice life with you Kid Vince. Nothing's worth more in this life than family. If hanging around here stresses you out this much, go in peace dude.

Oh dear me, Vince, I asked you to lay off the extraneous exclamation marks, that's all. How that translates into "Never post on this board again, gay person," I'm not sure.

Still, perhaps we've located the problem:
"(with exclamation marks!! used as spacing!! and not to emphisise anything!!!)"
Exclamation marks are used to denote emphasis, strong feeling or surprise. The spacebar is for spacing.

You may find the following link useful:
http://www.informatics.sussex.ac.uk/doc/punctuation/node06.html
Especially this remark:
"[E]xclamation marks are usually out of place in formal writing. Using them frequently will give your work a breathless, almost childish, quality."
So as you can see, it's not just me who finds it irritating to the point of getting a headache.

Lay off the shrieks and everything will be cool. It's not like you can get banned for misusing punctuation. (Otherwise it would be very quiet around here, and also I'd have to ban myself, heheh.)

billy423uk, re: the Art Charts, as you said, I suppose there is some mutual stroking, and it's also vulnerable to a feedback loop (this was discussed a bit in a Community Forum thread.) But human nature being what it is, both are unavoidable, if there are to be any kind of charts at all I suppose.  (I know there are arguments against having charts at all; I'm not trying to debate that point).

In the Community Forum thread they talked about how with the old Hot 20 one way they tried to minimize the feedback loop was to disable voting if you browsed the Hot images from the Hot 20 list. Yeah, you could still Vote by going to the artist's gallery, but it presented a speed bump.

Anyway, speaking for myself, when I have moused over the top images, I have seen some amazing thumbs that led to some images that were just so damned good I had to comment, regardless of any stroking or feedback looping I might be engaging in.  These were all images I never saw by browsing the main gallery because they got buried so fast (I always browse All/All), or I didn't have time, or they weren't by my Fav Artists. So I am happy to have discovered them through the Charts.  I have discovered some terrific artists via the Fav Artist chart as well. So far, after 2 weeks of generated charts, it seems to me that the Art Charts are coughing up a much more diverse group of art and artists than the Hot 20 ever did.

Again, I'm not trying to sell anybody on the idea of "art as competition" or anything. I guess what I mean is this: just imagine that the chart isn't a competition at all, and isn't generated through any kind of popularity system. Rather, just imagine that every week it presents you with a list of "50 quality images you may have missed."   Even with any stroking and feedback looping going on, I am finding lots of nice work I would have missed without the charts.

Re: your suggestion about sub-galleries, how is this different from the categories they have now?  For example, how would your suggested category of "erotic" differ from the current "pinup?" I suppose "erotic" might more direclty indicate nudity. 

good pointsabout the art chart  link dink. and anything that makes it easier to see soem decent stuff is worth having.

though my sub gallery idea still stands.

before posting this i went to poser..gallery .history...menu

in it i saw some woman in a modern dress dancing by a bread stall, various naked amazon indians of the bare tit variaty, a female medium sized breasted gunslinger and much more that had little to do with history.  i suspect   i'd see a bare breast on every genre i clicked in the sub menu.

 i should have said a sub menu set that had in it what it implied even if it was only just a little bit like it implied.  at present the sub set menu is a farce as far as the pics being relative to the sub set. would it be that hard to take down ones that shouldn't be there or redirect them to the right sub set.

billy

Karen does that mean this gay person can continue posting as long as I don't use too many !!!'s?

:scared:

Billy, the nudity tags prevent people from seeing that stuff in any gallery, if they don't want to see it.  And I looked at the woman by the bread stall; it's done by a self-described newbie. That dress is probably as close to a historical gown as they could come by, and they probably don't have the skill with textures and so forth to make it look historical (nor do I, come to think of it).

The larger point being, it would be a full-time job for someone to go through the gallery and start moving  pics based on their subjective judgement as to what categories what pics should go under. The 2 most controversial subjects (violence and nudity) can be filtered out.  As for the rest .... is it really a big deal? I mean, where would you put the gunslinger? Pinups? People?

Thanks for clarifing your remark Karen! when you likened me to a girls name and said that is not good for a guy! with the word masquerade included!! i then missinterpreted what you where saying!! i guess i'm not too good at reading things or writing things on the internet!

with regards to my writing: i guess i haven't actually writen very much since leaving school!! so that would explain it's childlike QUALITY( i use big letters for emphasis) i think i use exclamation marks,as i don't really know where comas and stuff go!i should learn to write exactly the same as everyone else,and not have any individualism! individualism has no place in an art community!!

thanks to everyone that contributed to this thread!! it looks like it turned into one of the most viewed and most commented on thread,on the first page of the poser forum!! (with a bit of deveation from the subject)my point being that although something might seem like an old subject to many! to those who don't frequent the forums everyday since year zero! and for the member that only joined but an hour ago! this may appear to be a new subject!! it wouldn't be a very friendly site if every newbie that turned up and asked"how do i bring a figure into a scene" only got replies of" oh! not this old question again!! this has been dragged up so many times before"

Anyway thanks for your time spent reading my drivvle!!! (you can't get that time back you know!!it's gone now!! and you're gonna have to live with the fact you wasted it reading this!!(LOL)

Have a Magic day!!!!!!!!

Vince.(the one with all the last posts!!)

by the way Karen! if you go to my gallery and click on "The Gatherers" thumb!! you will see a character that i based on your avatar!!! i liked your smile!!(gone off it a bit now though!!(LOL))

point taken link. but its just an opinon i  have. nudity doesn't worry me and yep it can be a lot for someone to do. they have mods in the forums how hard to get some people to mod the galleries.

the gunslinger woman...should it be history pinup or people. if i were a mod it would be pin ups or people. it certainly don't represent history lol. neither does a medievil disco dancer hehe.

anyway no need to beat it like an egg. it won't happen and it wont be the end of the world if it doesn't

billy

of course individualism has a place here ...so to some extent does posting etiquette such as not shout using caps etc. i personally never ever use caps at anytime lmao. i suppose under posting etiquette i could be classed as a whisperer.  thing is posting etiquette can be learned pretty quickly just by not using it.

as for not writing much..i've used that one myself along with the i'm dyxlexic one and the i'm iligitimate one..sorry the one that means i can't read or write very well.

billy

s'ok Vince..;) To be honest, we have a Writer's forum here, and they critique writing, offer suggestions, resources, etc. Also, since this is a worldwide forum, we get a lot of folks here for whom English is a second language (being southern, proper English is my 2nd language..;) Everyone's writing skills can stand improvement ('specially mine..;)

more hits will come; when I first got here, 20 or 30 hits was great; after 5 years, I cull anything under a 100..and I'm nowhere near some folks who get 1,500 hits (no names, please..;) on many of their pics. So hang in there.