I've been a member of Renderosity pretty much from its inception. I signed up originally under a different name than Dave-So...but I can't even remember anymore...
anyway...this place , imo, has truly lost its friendly, community spirit. There is and has been for quite awhile, just an antagonistic feel to the place. The TOS, and other rules, changes , are about too much to bear. 
Threads get cut off, locked , members banned, and so forth with no explanation to the community. That bothers me because I really don't like someone that gives a rats ass about this program, Poser, or any other program discussed here, and a contributing member of the community to be just whacked....and we all sit here wondering why.  We're a community...we need to know what happened to the people contributing to this endeavor.

The galleries are the same way..the TOS about model age, etc, especially when there are the same products being sold that exhibit the illegal content. Yes, abide by the TOS...yes, Rendo is owned and operated by a private party and they make the rules. Its their game, but I think its just feeling too restricitive and mean spirited...everyone snitching on the little part of a tit they see in the wrong place, or whatever.

Just my feelings about the place...and to put it here because I know its coming..."there's the door, use it if you don;' like the game". I surely will, but it would be great if it got back to what it was like before....maybe its just too big a business anymore.

you'all have a wonderful holiday, now, you hear.

well, they said why they didn't ban him. it wasn't for copyright reasons. but apparently they can't talk about it, to protect his privacy. like if somebody said something about him, it wouldn't be fair to him, as he ain't here no more to refute what they might say. but these snafus have erupted here since day one, when willow was in charge. it's merely a sign that folks care about this site IMVHO.

"there's the door, use it if you don;' like the game"

The idioma of a "Private" "Community" is nothing new, that aspiration is nothing more than the warmed over  ideologies of several figures of our history...;like Hitler, and Stalin, etc., and is known much more conventionally as "Communism."

I think it's a pretty fair judge of character to criticize Renderosity badly for not explaining what is happening with in a community, with those among the community it is supposedly trying to serve.  There is just a differance in whom Renderosity is inevitably going to be held responsible to answer to.

All such squabbles will soon disappear once P7 is out.
I think all the mean stuff lately is some sort of pre-menstral tension, with poserites getting cranky waiting for the release of P7 (and Viki4)
Soon they'll all be too busy rendering V4 in various states of undress, to be bothered fighting each other.

BTW, where is this "illegal content"?, I see lots of content but nothing illegal. Maybe I'm looking at the wrong products.

The community spirit is gone.  It isn't coming back.  There is no illusions about freedom of speech here, so I won't speak out and get banned, like others.  Of course, silence breeds resentment.

If you can't stand it, leave like many of the other long term members.  I don't know how much longer I can stand it.  The situation is not good.  That's all I'll say about it on this site.

Well David, when I first read your comment about about NEAena and the P4 horse, I thought you were replying to my question about "illegal content". Then I read it again.
Got to get my mind out of the gutter.

The site has lost most of that artist feel that it used to have. There were strong feelings about things but it usually added some flavour. Now I see newer members that think it should be thier way and nothing short of making everyone sure of that fact. You didn't see much of that when I started. The times are changing. There is a cold draft lerking through the site and it is only going to get colder. I still try to give some pointers when I can, only now I know to wear a sweater around here.

There are still a few warm faces here but with a few more wrinkles around the eyes.

Quote - Well David, when I first read your comment about about NEAena and the P4 horse, I thought you were replying to my question about "illegal content". Then I read it again.
Got to get my mind out of the gutter.

No, I was just trying to show that some of us STILL really do care, and that do we forget our friends when the times turn rotten - and nor do our friends for get us.
The Gruzian Dictator's Gerbil (aka DPH)

You are totally right (again) David.
Only been a member for 2 years, but I don't really think things have gotten that bad.
I read most threads and the vast majority of posts are polite and well-reasoned.
There is lots of dissagreement, but that's what it's about. Most people go to extreem lengths to logically justify their views.
If you let a few trolls and dissers upest you, then you are letting them win.
For me, this place is still a fun place to be.

All I'll add is that it's not just Rendo that's suffering from the lack of community malaise. It's the entire internet. I'm chalking it up to the old addage that "Familiarity Breeds Contempt". Everyone seems to know everyone a little bit more than they care to and care a little bit less than they ought to about those they encounter.

It's just winter David, nothing else. In Israel you are now having winter and only 10 hours of daylight, while it's summer here and I get 14 hours and 30 degrees (celcius) right now at 7:30 pm.
Everyone gets blue in winter but it's passing. I can't imagine you, of all people, being fooled by winter blues. Your humour and sarcasm have made you many friends around here, myself included.
Pukker up, I don't think you realise just how many friends you have in this community.

  Winter seems to be affecting all you northies.

It definately has been different here.  I like DaveSo, have been here a very long time.  But I notice the change in members, not the TOS.  The posts read differently.  But to be really fair, when I first got here, the same things were said then.  We then had lost alot of other people and then got a whole new bunch here.

I think it is like the circle of life, and you either stay and learn in hopes to teach others or leave.  Sharen

The community spirit here died the day Renderosity started on the dark road of commercialism, I do understand that places like this need money to keep going, but today it seems the PTB put profit first at the expense of everything & everyone else.

its hard for me to really explain how I feel about this place. I think a lot of the problem is the commercialization of the place....profits/store before community. Political correctness before creativeness and expression...be it words or art.
I know I've posted before my feelings about this...I much prefer a wide open style..freedom of expression...I do not like cussing , swearing, flaming, and just general rudeness and obnoxious behavior, but the ability to express yourself civily and openly....again in your art and words.
The art should not be censored as it is. The speech content should not have to be suppressed as it has to be here.  The members, as well as the administrators should get a life. Its like everyone has to correct or condemn everything that is said or done.

Someone mentioned above they do not see any illegal images...nor should you...they should all be legal...other than maybe explicit sexual stuff, which doesn't belong anywhere except an erotic gallery.

Anyway...what can I say. I would like to see a more airy and carefree atmosphere around here. 
But it isn't just here that has changed .and that was pointed out. It is all over our society here in the USA. Intolerance is sneeking its head in again. Its the political correctness deal, plus the fact people can't take responsibility for their own actions, and try to direct everyone's elses besides. Its the hypocrisy of it all.

This morning (here at Spain 13:04 am) I was talking with Stahlratte by email just this. Rosity now is a market. A big market. And big markets generates big money. So a market is more interested in rules and TOS which order the enter of money than in community feelings. MHO, not for the recent Stahl affaire but for a lot of different cases along the past years. Renderosity is harder, harder, harder... I don't know if this is a consequence of 11-S and WTC, or if only these facts run accidentally parallel. But in the past I never saw so many threads locked, so many bad answers, so many merchants abandoning the site...

Sigh...

Ps. Stahl is nicely OK ;)

Are there other sites focused around Poser and Terragen with a store and an active forum?

I'd like to commend DPHoadley on his woodnymph release, and trying to bolster the community spirit.

We don't always see eye to eye, but regardless of little things like that, when someone does make a valiant effort to contribute and help the community out, I need to put differences aside, and recognise them.

I made a public comment about doing more to help the community, rather then hinder it in forum disputes, and he's really stepped up to the plate.

Quote - I'd like to commend DPHoadley on his woodnymph release, and trying to bolster the community spirit.

We don't always see eye to eye, but regardless of little things like that, when someone does make a valiant effort to contribute and help the community out, I need to put differences aside, and recognise them.

I made a public comment about doing more to help the community, rather then hinder it in forum disputes, and he's really stepped up to the plate.

Seconded :D

Thirded! :D  If that is a legiment thing.  Thirded?  Carried?

We all need more HELP than hinderance around here! :lol:

Quote - I do not like cussing , swearing, flaming, and just general rudeness and obnoxious behavior, but the ability to express yourself civily and openly....again in your art and words.
The art should not be censored as it is. The speech content should not have to be suppressed as it has to be here.  The members, as well as the administrators should get a life. Its like everyone has to correct or condemn everything that is said or done.

Someone mentioned above they do not see any illegal images...nor should you...they should all be legal...other than maybe explicit sexual stuff, which doesn't belong anywhere except an erotic gallery.

Interesting points about an issue which is manifest throughout our society, not just here.  Your own comments highlight the difficulty faced by the Renderosity Mods: on the one hand, you regret the censorship of art here but on the other hand you acknowledge that explicit sexual images should perhaps be relegated to, I presume, an adults-only site.  The same "where do you draw the line" tension exists with respect to speech here.  On the one hand, one might oppose the suppression of speech as a matter of principle, yet still believe that there are words which should never be used in the midst of a broad and diverse community.  And there are levels of hostility and intolerance and mean-ness toward others which most every community on earth finds some way to regulate. 

So I, for one, have great sympathy for the Mods here who have to decide upon, articulate, constantly defend --and at times painfully act upon-- the TOS policies which establish where the lines are drawn for this community.  From my own experience over the five years I've been here, I believe their collective job --for whatever reasons-- has become much more difficult in recent years.  I think that's unfortunate and remain hopeful circumstances will improve and their job will become easier in the future. 

Hmmm... maybe once V4 comes out of hiding I should do an animation of her wearing a pageant tiara and saying: "My biggest dream is... World Peace!"

cheers...

I've also been here a long time. My biggest pet peeve is when Merchants do leave here, They bad mouth Ren. But I notice they still get people to do Promos of their products from other sites. And Post them here at our gallerys.

People have always had fights, pissed off, etc.

I try and look at the bright side, Martin and Danie(D&M Productions) are still here, so's Ryi, and 3Dream, what more could one ask for?

I still feel this site is Home.

Leah

We all need to lighten up and just hang out together in the Virtual Tavern. Oh wait. They took that away... I wonder if Pearce is still locked in there, passed out behind that barstool dreaming of saucy barmaids?

:O) Love it!!!

That looks great, David.  I mailed you quite a while ago and I'm waiting for a response.

Quote - That looks great, David.  I mailed you quite a while ago and I'm waiting for a response.

Patience!  Everything will come in good time.  My people have waited 2000 years for their redemption, surely a day or two can also be granted.  I have a dozen of emails, all saved in special folders.  Half are for the Woodnymph, and half for Wiktoriaja, and half for both together (three halves?  How did I manage todo that?  Must be a gift.). 
The Woodnymph I recieved yesterday, and spent half the night remapping her legs, Wiktorija I recieved today, and am still figuring out what to include in her Cr2.  Vicky 3 morphs obviously not, but I have various Judy Freebie morphs that I could possibley include, and I'm still checking that part out -unless of course everybody would just like to look for all these morphs themselves.
Yours truly;
Dzhugashvili's Hamster (aka DPH)

Anyone in a command role is damned if they do and damned if they don't (Mods) it is the nature of the beast. The mods here try to do their best and are faced with behavior here that they probably don't even get from their children. They only carry out the wishes of their master and the regulations the master has set. I am sure they have their own opinions about a lot of threads they must moderate.

I've been here a long time too granted in and out over the years while transitioning from career to retirement and I've tried to contribute as much as I can. For me, I pick the threads I want to respond to, say my peace and move on and I am trying very hard to do this for I am guilty of adding a bit too much in some of my threads.  I don't want to fight with people  heaven knows I've had my share and want no more of it. I still enjoy this place very much I just have to navigate around the mines once in a while to do so.

It is a shame when people leave but they must do what is in their best interest and what brings them peace. Events taking place in this forum are no different than the events taking place in the world and if we want and choose to we can make this a place an escape from those world events. But it's only if we want and what we contribute to this forum is what we will get out of it. Think about it we have people here from all over the world from all different walks of life and different experiences. If world governments don't want peace we sure as hell can have it here if we want to! Folks just need to lighten up a wee bit life is just too damn short.

Huh? Who got banned? 

Quote - its hard for me to really explain how I feel about this place. I think a lot of the problem is the commercialization of the place....profits/store before community. Political correctness before creativeness and expression...be it words or art.
I know I've posted before my feelings about this...I much prefer a wide open style..freedom of expression...I do not like cussing , swearing, flaming, and just general rudeness and obnoxious behavior, but the ability to express yourself civily and openly....again in your art and words.
The art should not be censored as it is. The speech content should not have to be suppressed as it has to be here.  The members, as well as the administrators should get a life. Its like everyone has to correct or condemn everything that is said or done.

Someone mentioned above they do not see any illegal images...nor should you...they should all be legal...other than maybe explicit sexual stuff, which doesn't belong anywhere except an erotic gallery.

Anyway...what can I say. I would like to see a more airy and carefree atmosphere around here. 
But it isn't just here that has changed .and that was pointed out. It is all over our society here in the USA. Intolerance is sneeking its head in again. Its the political correctness deal, plus the fact people can't take responsibility for their own actions, and try to direct everyone's elses besides. Its the hypocrisy of it all.

As another long time member I can't help but agree with your sentiments Dave - there was a time when if one needed a certain prop or clothing - we would discuss how that could be achieved - not just given a link to a store item. I don't know why but it does seem the Community spirit has gone - this place really used to be fun once upon a time - it just doesn't do the same for me anymore.

LOL - perhaps we need a new forum just for us oldtimers so we can show these youngun's  how we used to do things around here in the last Century
:b_tonguewink:

Quote - I've also been here a long time. My biggest pet peeve is when Merchants do leave here, They bad mouth Ren. But I notice they still get people to do Promos of their products from other sites. And Post them here at our gallerys.

People have always had fights, pissed off, etc.

I try and look at the bright side, Martin and Danie(D&M Productions) are still here, so's Ryi, and 3Dream, what more could one ask for?

I still feel this site is Home.

Leah

At the risk of offending - I will stick my neck out here and say this is some of what I am getting at about Community  Spirit - ***IMHO, Vendors do not make a Community - they make a store.

When I first joined this site there wasn't a store in sight apart from that place that now calls itself DAZ and they didn't exactly have a wide range of models either. We shared and helped each other - some of the greatest advances came along before the stores did. The work of Koz as far as hair is concerned - everyone followed his lead and then started making money out of it....

I don't think I have ever seen a post anywhere that says simply **"we wouldn't have all this great transmapped hair if it wasn't for your innovation Koz"

RHatch** I believe invented MAT poses (correct me if I am wrong) - how much money have people made out of that discovery?

The list could go on - but I guess I'm in the minority that yearns for the simpler days.....

You're not alone guys. I've been here off and on since it was the poserforums. I think the issue with most of us oldtimers IS the switch from a sharing community to that of store based forums. I have no problem with Renderosity having a store and making money. I do have issues with the forums being biased towards merchants issues over those of the customers.

 I'm to the point where I have to seriously take time before posting anything here that has to do with merchants or products because complaints against merchants these days make you a prime target in the forums for abuse by merchants and customers alike. With that in mind, I'm less likely to be motivated to post anything at all.

Quote - I'd like to commend DPHoadley on his woodnymph release, and trying to bolster the community spirit.

We don't always see eye to eye, but regardless of little things like that, when someone does make a valiant effort to contribute and help the community out, I need to put differences aside, and recognise them.

I made a public comment about doing more to help the community, rather then hinder it in forum disputes, and he's really stepped up to the plate.

Garee; thank you for the kind word.  In light of our past differences, it takes a big man to say and do what you ahve here.  I would have acknowledged your words sooner, but I've been busy trying to figure out an easy way to grant access to the Nymph and Wiktoria.  Now that aI've seemingly solved that problem, I can get on to other unfinished business.
Yours truly,
Dzhugashvili's Hamster (aka David P. Hoadley)

Kool, I'm glad you got that filesharing issue resolved :)

The best way to describe this place now, is that it has turned into an corporate office...With nice little pictures decorating the lobby area, and the department  store  in the adjoining campus...Not to say that the employees aren't welcome, just that it's time to downscale the operation , and set up shop in a nice neighborhood!

Yer welcome, DP. I don;t hold any grudges against anyone regardless if I agree with them or not. Life's too short to harbor ill will, and to be honest, I'd much prefer to invest my energies in creating something new, discovering something else new out I didn;t know, or helping someone out rather then just rehashing the same online arguments we see every day.

You've really gone out of your way to try to help people out of late, and are now working even harder creating new things others have not done, you fully deserve recognition for your time and work.

You know what they say... if you aren't part of the solution, you're part of the problem.

Now how do we refocus some other people's energies? LOL! Just imagine some of the kewl things that could be accomplished with less people just picking arguments, and more people working to just help everyone out and get along?

Hopefully I can list you amongst my freinds now?

Garee, He's already my firend. I'm not sure If I'm willing to share him. (grin)

Gareee is everyone's friend whether he wants to be or not snicker

Yanno, sometimes I wish I was still 30...playing squash and football regularly, able to party all night and still do a full days work the next day...stuff like that.  The thing is, no matter how much I wish it, it ain't gonna happen.  People change, places change, and the clocks in the Poserverse don't run backwards.

Just my little non sequitur for the day ;¬)

I'm everyone's freind in real life as well. Lotsa "help me move" things, and "can you help me with my computer" stuff as well, but IMHO, you get back what you give back. It's all Karma, baby!

Gary "Earl" Tabar.. LOL!

The good in people always comes through in what you write no matter if you try to hide it ;)

apparently this thread is gonna get buried, like hundreds of previous "rosity ain't a community" threads, but this time the latest craze is the amazing new vickie 4 model. get ready for some fabulous renders, y'all :lol:

Nah.. forum posts are SO easy to misinterperate. Especially since there are so many countries and languages participating. It's very easy to assume someone comes from familar "regional" surroundings, and then further down the road, you find out you're altlking to and participating with someone across the globe.

That struck me first many years ago, when Neftis called me on th ephone, we had a lengthy 1 hour conversation, and then I realized she was literally calling from almost exactly across the globe from me!

The poserverse is truly a "world" community, and I've learned much from other people in it, with other cultures, and other heritages.

While I'll fight to the teeth to protect my OWN traditions, I also embrace learning other's traditions as well.. I find it so interesting that so many different countries share some VERY basic heritages and traditions.

Evidently something happened that I missed. What's all this about, please?