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This only applies to the Poser Forum, right? >>>

I dont think so .. the FB forum is not a poser forum so any restricktion is for ALL ....
But the restricktion made cancel my celebration freebee for the forum..

I was going to Set the Full Uniforce outfit for V3 as a Freebee incl all texture packs i made and all weapons etc etc ... i think its worth 20 to 30 $ ... "see link"
But im not alowed to do it the way i wanted it to be...
Im not alowed to just make a link in the forum .. for the forum viewers only ...
But i cant ..
So for me the Forum has a bad start .. and im not sure it will ever get to that i wished it was going to be...
Such a pitty...

Chris

Thanks Stacey - ebots are a tad slow missed your post.
Once my brain stops hurting I think I might understand it now :) 

BTW - Nice set there Chris - they look like action figures. 

> Quote - This only applies to the Poser Forum, right? > >>> > > I dont think so .. the FB forum is not a poser forum so any restricktion is for ALL .... > But the restricktion made cancel my celebration freebee for the forum.. > > I was going to Set the Full Uniforce outfit for V3 as a Freebee incl all texture packs i made and all weapons etc etc ... i think its worth 20 to 30 $ ... "see link" > But im not alowed to do it the way i wanted it to be... > Im not alowed to just make a link in the forum .. for the forum viewers only ... > But i cant .. > So for me the Forum has a bad start .. and im not sure it will ever get to that i wished it was going to be... > Such a pitty... > > Chris

Awww! it's not your fault!!!!  All you did was give a suggestion. You had no control over whether they would take that suggestion and make it happen, or change it as they have. 

Please remove that "Location" from your profile area.  You have nothing to be ashamed of :)

Things have changed and not to everyone's favor.  A shame, but that's the way it is.  We just have to adapt and go on. Fluidity and flexibility is the sign of an open mind.  I'd prefer another way to do freebies, but I'm adaptive.

The Freestuff forum was a good suggestion made by MANY not just one as I have already stated. The way it works is no different than the Product Showcase and its been that way for years as it should. Forums have specific topics to keep all related posts in the proper spot.  You wouldn't go in the Bryce forum and post Poser stuff, you wouldn't go in the Product Showcase and post Customer Support issues.  Just as the other sites that have a freestuff forum keep the freestuff related posts in that area, same here...

I have received MUCH support through private communications from members that don't want to get invovled in this ranting thread which is usually what happens when a change occurs.  If you notice none of the other forums that I have seen are having the problem with the way the Freestuff forum works except for the Poser area which seems a little odd to me.

We added a Freestuff forum, we made some compromises regarding links to freebies not offered in the Freestuff area at Renderosity.  

I am sorry that all do not agree but as with every change that is expected. 

Its time to move past this issue as a compromise has been made.

If anyone else has questions or concerns please contact admin@renderosity.com .

Thank you

I do think Poser feeebies are more on topic than Microsoft Vista threads, but hey that's just me.

You shouldn't feel that only those that agree with you is support, and anything else that idsagrees with you is ranting.

Peole just disagree with the policy. If they didn't care they wouldn;t try and change your mind. Personally I think dead silence in the other forums over the issue is what you should really worry about. Indifference is never the same thing as support.

But good luck on that and thanks for all the info through this transition.

""Its time to move past this issue as a compromise has been made. ""

That statement really rubbed me the wrong way.  As far as I can tell there was no compromise and it seems very presumptious to say that there was.  It looks to me precisely like what was being said at the beginning of the thread - that the change would occur regardless of what the community wanted.  

Just as a question.. but to all those who complain about having to check 'yet another' forum now... what's wrong with subscribing to the fora you're interested in? I check several fora on an ad oc basis, but I've subscribed to two - Poser and now the freebie forum. Any time someone starts a new forum topic or thread, I get a notification, and can choose to click the link to read it or simply delete it. Yes, this means I get a LOT of emails every day from the Poser Forum, but (for the moment at least), the number of threads started in the freebie forum are a drop in the ocean by comparison. At most, they add another minute or two to my email clearing each day - hardly a life-changing experience.

Freebie makers - is it really that much hassle to write two posts when you set up a freebie (one in the freebie forum, and one in the topic forum of choice)? Many of you are regular posters anyway, and chime in on topics frequently throughout the day - again, does a couple of extra miutes really tax matters so muxh? It's not like there's a limit to the number of posts oyu can make a day, and this is eating up your quota.

The only thing that seems to have changed on thi matter for me is that the initial announcement about any freebies offered by people is done in th new forum, instead of scattered throughout the board. Other people can still link to the freebies whenever they wish (either to the download link or the freebie forum thread), and if anyone is looking for something specific, then there's nothing stopping people from helping them exactly as they do now.

In fact, thinking about it, my time reading posts is probably not going to change that dramatically at all - because all the freebie announcements which were here have gone, to be replaced by the ones in the new forum. Same number of posts, only the location has changed. So where's the fuss?

jjroland - a compromise HAS been made... intially, the ruliung at the freebie forum was that only freebies which were in the renderosity freestuff area could be announced in that forum, and all other linking was prohibited on the part of third parties. There was also some confusion as to whether someone requesting help in finding a freebie could still be helped under this system. Now, we have a forum where all freebies can be annouced, regardless of their place of origin, and all other manner of things have been clarified as well. How is this not a compromise?

jonthecelt

You are wrong jjroland. We are now allowing links in the Freestuff forum that are to freebies offered anywhere instead of just restricting it to freebies that were uploaded to our Freestuff area. We are also still allowing linking to freestuff items in this forum when its helping someone find something and cases like that. If you will go back a few pages to the post I made after we had our meeting then you will see that we did change from the original stance on the day the Freestuff forum was opened.

A new forum was created to hold Freestuff items that were being advertised, asking for  or giving feedback on, for members "wishes" on what they want to see as a freestuff item and this was done based on the Community Survey results and member suggestions over the past few years asking for a forum such as this.
Same principle as the Suggestion forum so that all suggestions could go in one place and that has worked out well.

 

We have participated in this discussion, listened, made some changes and answered questions.  If anyone has additional questions/concerns please email them to admin@renderosity.com . 

Quote - You shouldn't feel that only those that agree with you is support, and anything else that idsagrees with you is ranting.

Peole just disagree with the policy. If they didn't care they wouldn;t try and change your mind. Personally I think dead silence in the other forums over the issue is what you should really worry about. Indifference is never the same thing as support.

 

Well said Anton.
It gives credence to those of us who have spoken but have been totally ignored...but hey, I'm used to that by now here.

You were ignored how DarkEdge?  I have been participating in this thread LISTENING and not ignoring for days now and as was stated a compromise was made.

If you have any additional questions/concerns regarding this issue please email admin@renderosity.com

DarkEdge,

I went back and read every post you made in this thread. I didnt' see any questions, any suggestions on what you felt could be done to make things better, nothing like that? So I am confused even now more than ever on how you spoke and were ignored?

I guess what makes people skeptical and feel as if they are never listened to is the fact that through out all of history not one forum administrator in any forum anywhere has ever said "You're right - that was a silly idea".    

Anyway I guess it is a compromise for some.   I just happened to like things the way they were -

I'm a little late (been very busy at work), but I do have a couple of questions related to the freebie forum.

1. If someone posts a thread like "Looking for a xxxx" in - for example - the Poser forum, and I happen to have made a freebie that more or less fits the request, can I, as the maker, respond with a link to the freestuff item? 

2. Something that happens regularly in the Poser Python scripting forum: someone has a problem, and one of the scripting gurus creates an ad hoc script to solve the problem. Until now, those scripts were posted as attached text files in the Poser Python forum. Links to .zip files are quite commonly used for larger scripts.

How should these "ad hoc" freebies be handled?

Quote - I'm a little late (been very busy at work), but I do have a couple of questions related to the freebie forum.

1. If someone posts a thread like "Looking for a xxxx" in - for example - the Poser forum, and I happen to have made a freebie that more or less fits the request, can I, as the maker, respond with a link to the freestuff item? 

2. Something that happens regularly in the Poser Python scripting forum: someone has a problem, and one of the scripting gurus creates an ad hoc script to solve the problem. Until now, those scripts were posted as attached text files in the Poser Python forum. Links to .zip files are quite commonly used for larger scripts.

How should these "ad hoc" freebies be handled?

 

1. Yes, you can help members like that in here

2)  They can be posted in the thread like always as they are helping someone requesting help.

Hope that helps svdl

Stacey, thanks for your reply.

My statement was meant for both Renderosity and it's mods and to a lesser extent the community as a whole.

I have offered quality conforming freebies and have freely made items for members in hopes of being somewhat accepted into this community. But quite frankly I find most (mods and community) to be very clickish. If I am not part of their internal click/family...then I'm ignored.

Though this is disappointing to me individually, I'm a big boy and will move on to another community in hopes that there will be a more satisfying result. But more to the point, if I feel this way; then I know there must be others that are feeling the same way. Regardless if they are making freebies or contributing in other ways.

So I ask all who read this...is this what you want? Contributing members feeling this way?

So what if I pull back and offer nothing more to the community, I am only one participant. Many more will replace me and you all won't even noticed, right? But ultimately this attitude, as a whole, will only degrade the community in the long run.

This is just my opinion, and because I have made this statment it is not a cry for a response.

Regards

Quote - If I am not part of their internal click/family...then I'm ignored.

Though this is disappointing to me individually, I'm a big boy and will move on to another community in hopes that there will be a more satisfying result.

Please don't leave!!!!   You contribue a great deal here :)

There might be quite a few other people leaving because of this, and the other unpopular rules that have been enforced over the past year or so.

It wouldnt be too difficult to make the freebie forum optional and leave freestuff postings in the poser forum optional as well.   If merchants dont like the freestuff postings in the poser forum ( because they don`t help them to sell anything so they are useless ) they can always just skip over the free items postings.

Now the absolute cynic might think that most of the suggestions for this 'freebie forum' ( cough out of sight, out of mind) came from merchants who don't want to see links for freestuff in the general forums. Of course, i'm not a cynic and i believe the reasons put forward by admin for the rules regarding the posting of links... i do, i really do.

I'm not interested in puzzling out the many reversals, clarifications, bullying and specious justifications for any of this.  I look forward to seeing a concise, readable version of all this BS added to the Terms of Service in some reasonable time frame.  

StaceyG, IMO your handling of this has been markedly poor and unprofessional, you are far too argumentative and zealous in dealing with customers and defending unpopular policy.  Seeing as you are the top ranked Renderosity rep that posts with any frequency, you set an abysmally bad example for the people who work with you.  Sincerely hoping you step back and look at how much you tend to just argue with people here, instead of facilitating service. 

Have to agree with lemur01. The original proposal was so misguided in its effort to police trademark/copyright infringment (ie, the fact that Renderosity has no direct control of the content of the freestuff servers means they have no direct control over such trademark/copyright infringement -- plus, Renderosity has no legal obligation to police the content of 3rd party sites), that I suspect the original motivation was from too many Rendo vendors who felt that freestuff authors were "encroaching" upon the vendors' turf, and shouldn't have the "advantage" of being able to announce freebies in any forum. I suspect the vendors probably complained and said "Hey, look at these freestuff authors giving away stuff that may compete with our commercial offerings. And they've got the advantage of announcing their stuff in any forum, whereas we've been restricted to this Product Showcase forum. At the very least, you should restrict their announcements to a particular forum too. And how about if you limit them to talking about only freestuff on Rendo's server? That way, we can eliminate competition from lots of those freestuff authors because most of them use 3rd party servers".

Out of all the stated reasoning so far, this is the only one that makes plausible sense to me, in that it explains why the security loopholes, and legal irrelevancies, went unquestioned/unanswered (and apparently still do so) in the new policy.

But the bottom line is that Rendo is a business. And you have to expect a business to place priority first upon making money. That's how it works. So really, no one should be surprised or upset when policies favor the business. If you want something beyond business (ie, community, sharing, freedom, and all that "intrinsic stuff"), they you MUST obtain it from a non-commercial source. I'm not saying that all business is evil. I'm just saying that all business is about making money.

Renderosity is not just a business and if they make it into only a business I at least would not be back.

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Wow...maybe I'm just too tired to take it all in right now, but my brain has turned to silly-putty after reading through this whole thread.  Why make things so dang confusing??  *sigh*

Anyway, since others have been plugging their sites, I'll do the same.  Check out the Poser Poorhouse for all your freebie needs.

Wouldn't it be nice to link an chain all these beautifull free forums?

Since it seems this thread has moved past being productive,  the compromise was reached pages ago and questions answered, this thread is now being locked.

If anyone has questions/concerns, please contact admin@renderosity.com