I was adding up my Poser expenses for the year and doing some spreadsheet analysis to see why I spend more at DAZ than here.  It basically comes down to price.  Between freebies (including Platinum Club vouchered items) and purchases, I've gotten 203 items from DAZ compared to 14 here.  I spent $433 for the DAZ items and $93 for the Renderosity items.  By coincidence, I've paid $5, or more, for only 14 DAZ items and all 14 Renderosity items were $5 or higher. There were 64 items at DAZ that wound up being free between the weekly give-away and things I've bought with Platinum Club vouchers. The bulk of my purchases were $1.99 PC items at DAZ (something I need to cut back on because they begin to add up).

There are obvious differences between the two stores that prevent Renderosity from being able to compete at the same price points. DAZ has an internal modeling staff and buys a lot of products from merchants. The products that DAZ owns are products that DAZ can sell any way that they want. Renderosity doesn't have the same resources, so can only offer sales that their merhants are willing to participate in (or by cutting the commisions Rendo earns). Renderosity cannot compete on the same playing field. 

I don't have any solution for the disparity in spending other than to say that I'm mostly buying fairly inexpensive items. If I absolutely need a more expensive item, I'll pay more. With all my accumulated Poser content over the years (free and paid), there simply isn't much out there that I desperately need. More often than not, if I don't have something I need for an image, I just come up with an alternative image that uses the content I have.

It would be interesting to hear what other spending habits are out there.

Yes I totally agree. Not to change the subject at all But as to the issuse I had NO ONE at Renderosity meaning a moderator has responded to me over it at all.... I doubt that they allow their popular artist to tell someone to F off and threaten them and not do anything about it.
Sorry just pointing out major differences...But you do get very many more discounts there if you are part of thier club @6.95 a month but you get a coupon and big discounts on Merch and Software

Quote - Yes I totally agree. Not to change the subject at all But as to the issuse I had NO ONE at Renderosity meaning a moderator has responded to me over it at all.... I doubt that they allow their popular artist to tell someone to F off and threaten them and not do anything about it.
Sorry just pointing out major differences...But you do get very many more discounts there if you are part of thier club @6.95 a month but you get a coupon and big discounts on Merch and Software

Who told you to F off? I'd like to know as I wouldn't want to support such a person.

I am not allowed to say I will be Banned

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To respond to the original poster's question: DAZ is a big store like Walmart , and Rendo is more like a really big mall with a bunch of small stores.

As such, it's a different buying experience for the different reasons. DAZmart buys the items from the artists at a one time payment, and resells multiple items. I've bought a ton of stuff from DAZ over the years, but I have noticed their slacking off in both quality and amount of Platinum Club items for the $1.99 price-tag.

At Rendo, the individual merchants are their brokers, makers and sellers. Rendo only holds the title to the place, charges rent (a piece of the action) and runs the sales through the central clearing house here in Nashville (Where I have to pay sales tax on each Rendo purchase).

Where some merchants sell blah merchandise, others sell fantastic stuff. Folks like Toshiyo,ODGM, corflek-gnorg (sp--I can't check and post. :lol:)and Ratracer and many others are guarantees of quality. Once you buy a good item, you should make a note of that maker's name. I do.

I go look them up and see if they did anything new.  If so, and I have the money, I may make a purchase if possible. It's the difference between a Mall and DAZmart

Quote - DAZmart buys the items from the artists at a one time payment, and resells multiple items.
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At Rendo, the individual merchants are their brokers, makers and sellers. Rendo only holds the title to the place, charges rent (a piece of the action) and runs the sales through the central clearing house here in Nashville (Where I have to pay sales tax on each Rendo purchase).

? Most of the products sold at DAZ are PA items that do not belong to DAZ but to the individual PAs who sell their products at DAZ. Just like Renderosity is DAZ a brokerage. I have products up at DAZ but I did not sell them to DAZ.

Of course they do buy out PA items or ask certain PAs to model something for them that then is turned into a DAZ Original. But the majority of items in their store does belong to individual PAs - just like over here.

I have bought a lot of stuff from DAZ ( mostly main characters,V3,A3 V4,A4
etc.) I have bought a lot of stuff from other sites also, R-erotica,CP,etc.
All in all I buy the larger amount from Rendo and have been very happy
with most of the products. I have never had a problem getting help from
Rendo or the folks that make the products. I never got into the Plat-club
cause I would'nt buy enough to save a lot there. Rendo always has a
lot of new stuff every day (not to mention a ton of freebies) it just a matter
of where anyone wants to buy from I guess.

gagnonrich - now how many of those purchases have you actually used?    i got Carrara 6 really cheap, but i haven't had the time to learn to use it.   i bought Hex for only $1.99, but it didn't agree with me at all.   i have tons of bargains from DAZ i haven't even tried to render.  i have fewer items from here, but they're all things i really wanted instead of got because they were 80% off.  it's easy to forget that even at a few dollars, if you don't use the item, you're wasting money and getting nothing in return. 

i've tempered my DAZ purchases since, but the sales still get me.  with Rendo, on the other hand, the issue is good intentions.   i'll have an image or usage planned, but things sometimes come up.  at DAZ, for some reason, i'm much more influenced by what's hot rather than my own vision.  basically, while my Rendo purchases aren't at 100% usage, they're a lot higher than my DAZ ones.  precisely because DAZ is better at marketing, Rendo is actually better for my budget and my art. 

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At Rendo, the individual merchants are their brokers, makers and sellers. Rendo only holds the title to the place, charges rent (a piece of the action) and runs the sales through the central clearing house here in Nashville (Where I have to pay sales tax on each Rendo purchase).

? Most of the products sold at DAZ are PA items that do not belong to DAZ but to the individual PAs who sell their products at DAZ. Just like Renderosity is DAZ a brokerage. I have products up at DAZ but I did not sell them to DAZ.

Of course they do buy out PA items or ask certain PAs to model something for them that then is turned into a DAZ Original. But the majority of items in their store does belong to individual PAs - just like over here.

I didn't know that. I'm not a seller at either place, so I'm casual buyer. They certainly do NOT make any real difference apparent to the buyer. As far as I knew, PA's were just like "employee of the month" selling on the margins or selling side items through the company kind of thing as far as I ever heard.

Well, I REALLY do learn something new every day! Thanks for the enlightenment! :laugh:

I have Hexagon and I use it often I love it... Also do you have V4 M3 Aiko? Where do you think they came from? What I love about Renderosity is 1. the other artist 2. The Gallery set up is awesome.

Quote - I have Hexagon and I use it often I love it... Also do you have V4 M3 Aiko? Where do you think they came from? What I love about Renderosity is 1. the other artist 2. The Gallery set up is awesome.

Did you mean 'artists'? Instead of #1
I agree with that! The galleries here kick real butt.

I've used every figure I ever bought. V3 is still my fav cause she looks
like a real woman. I don't post my art because Rendo would'nt post it
anyway. My stuff is to strange. It's just for me. Poser is a getaway from
real life for me.

I use Hex as well.  It's a bit finiky at times but it has some utility.

As for where I buy things, it generally comes down to the styles of things I see.

For al long time, ReRo was my favorite marketplace. Unlucky, many very good vendors have closed their shops here, and most of them I find at DAZ.
Actually, I really buy most things at DAZ becourse better price for higher quality. I´m really sorry that so many good vendors are gone, and only a few new ones make good stuff.

The primary reason I prefer Daz over any other content store is their "return" policy. The
quality of content varies so much that I simply don't feel comfortable shopping without
having that option.

Do folks really return stuff? I've never thought of buying a figure
or morph and returning it. I always buy stuff because I like the
product and if it ain't that great, I keep it anyway to support the
person who made it. I think they do their best to make a good
product and if they get support for their work they will continue
to produce good and better stuff.

I have returned items I have purchased at Daz due to either the quality or the items did not work as advertised. Most of the things I buy are, wow that looks great or hey a new item I might use and never due.
I have spent over $900 this year on poser related items, including software. Majority has been spent over at Daz and CP.  I know try to make it a habit if the vendor has their own site they sell on I buy from there so they get a better cut than going thru a 3rd party.

I spend more at daz because quite frankly, I get more bang for my buck.  If I have 25 bucks to spend, I will go there and get 5 items, or what ever compared to 1 item here, but, if it is something I really want from here from 1 of my favorite product makers, I do get it, unless I find the price is just way too much.

I hate having to go through 60 pages of sale stuff to find things that I want, its too time consuming to browse through all of that, so most of the time, I miss even a little 10% off sale. 

Quote - now how many of those purchases have you actually used?    ...
i've tempered my DAZ purchases since, but the sales still get me. 

Admittedly, I only use a tiny fraction of what I buy. Everything I buy I can potentially use. Every now and then, I create an image solely because I look at a product I bought and then imagine a way to use it. Sometimes, I'll just flip through thumbnails, of things I have, and find inspiration for a new image. It's nice to have a lot of stuff for that purpose.

I find I'm a sucker for a good sale. I completely understand that it would be less expensive to only buy what I'll immediately use. After all, it doesn't take all that long to buy and download digital products for a project.

The packrat in me will buy something I don't immediately need if the price is right. That's the psychology of sales. Buy something not immediately needed because it will be more expensive later when needed. Although there are lower costs for the individual sale item, the overall expenditures are much higher because items are being bought that may never be used (or, when finally used, have come down below the sale price at which it were bought.

One thing that DAZ is fairly good at is coming up with new promotions and sales.

I didn't want to get into the quality of products because every store has some incredible stuff and some mediocre stuff. In my last purchase at Rendo, I bought Coflek-gnorg's The Hole, and a few Ratracer (who seems to have just left Rendo--Ratracer is no longer listed as a merchant) items, as well as from other merchants. The last sale item I bought at DAZ was Stonemason's City Courtyard for under $9 between the 1-day 50% off price and a PC voucher that dropped it by another 50%. I don't think anybody can say anything bad about Stonemason's work. Paying $9 for the City Courtyard would qualify as an excellent price for a quality item. I can't disagree that a low quality $1.99 item isn't worth the price. I don't buy every PC item.

Quote - I bought Coflek-gnorg's The Hole, and a few Ratracer (who seems to have just left Rendo--Ratracer is no longer listed as a merchant) items, as well as from other merchants. The last sale item I bought at DAZ was Stonemason's City Courtyard for under $9 between the 1-day 50% off price and a PC voucher that dropped it by another 50%. I don't think anybody can say anything bad about Stonemason's work. Paying $9 for the City Courtyard would qualify as an excellent price for a quality item. I can't disagree that a low quality $1.99 item isn't worth the price. I don't buy every PC item.

I have rendered several images with the Hole and have not posted them yet. I love Stonemason's stuff but I rarely buy them due to lack of funds when they are on sale.

As for the 1.99 Items in PC club, I have about 75% of the items and I can tell you only a few I have been disappointing due to quality.

I don't know if anyone remembers PoserStyle, they had items that where great and others not so great but worth every dime for a membership there.  I still use allot of stuff from PoserStyle and wish I could get a hold of a few vendors that where there to see if they would update some of their products for V4 and M4.

i mostly don't buy here because all the coupons have to be used on 25.00 or more .....
i would like to be able to spend less to get a coupon discount.
i too am a pc member of daz and it's much cheaper to be able to pick up an item here or there for pics as there being worked on.

Quote - For al long time, ReRo was my favorite marketplace. Unlucky, many very good vendors have closed their shops here, and most of them I find at DAZ.
Actually, I really buy most things at DAZ becourse better price for higher quality. I´m really sorry that so many good vendors are gone, and only a few new ones make good stuff.

That was a lot down to the bull the vendors had to go through to submit a product here, one of the reasons Dystopia was pulled form here and went to DAZ was because of the new rules they kept throwing at us, luckily for me I was always in the mid part of making the Dys stuff, it was always Moebius or Ajax who had to sort the bull part out, I don't know if it's still the same because we don't sell anything at all here now, but I can't imagine the Admin doing a U-turn, can you.

Cheers

Billy

SickenlySweete, I kind of know how you feel about the minimun requirements for the coupon, but a number of traditional stores do that as well.  Best thing you can do is wait on a few purchases so you have that $25 minimum or whatever it is.

Quote - I still use allot of stuff from PoserStyle and wish I could get a hold of a few vendors that where there to see if they would update some of their products for V4 and M4.

I'm surprised that PoserStyle couldn't find another way to market the products. The site mostly had really nice stuff. There was enough M3/V3 and prop items that would still be marketable today. I'd imagine that low priced bundles of clothing for the older figures would still find some customers. PoserStyle was a site that was under constant attack by hackers that often made the site difficult to access. I don't know if those problems helped contribute to the owner's decision to shut down. It's a shame PoserStyle closed.

Xurge3D, who did some work for PS, is still around and usually has half off sales in December that I take advantage of (it's hard to resist nice fantasy armor suits for $7).

I just purchased a product from Daz 2 days ago.. It did not work as promised. So I complained
and recieved my funds back in less than 24 hours..Now thats customer service!!!   Here at Renderosity.  I  had a incident with another artist. I complained to 2 different moderators. It has been a week and have not even recieved any agknowledgement of my emails... HMMM.

I was buying a lot of clothing items at Daz for V3 and M3 but since they've been focusing so much attention lately on Daz Studio, V4 and M4, I've begun spending a few more dollars here. My wishlist overfloweth.

Quote - .....Here at Renderosity.  I  had a incident with another artist. I complained to 2 different moderators. It has been a week and have not even recieved any agknowledgement of my emails... HMMM.

Moderators don't necessarily have anything to do with the store.
You would probably be better of contacting the store support ( store@renderosity.com ) and/or using the Customer Support Forum

I find more often high quality outfits here, but they are always around 10-18$. DAZ has a lot more diversity and lots of low price deals but there's some things you just can't find there.

Plus, if it was an issue with somebody in the forums, it's being handled by volunteer moderators who aren't online 24 hours a day. Resolution, in DAZ forums, probably wouldn't be much faster. Dealing with interpersonal issues within a forum is always tricky if there isn't an obviously abusive situation that can be quickly remedied.

My experiences with DAZ support for store issues hasn't been fantastic. Things usually get resolved satisfactorily, but lately it's been taking two requests before any action is taken. I've got one that is still open and haven't received a response after submitting two requests to their sales support team to get mony back on a Fastgrab item I purchased that wasn't what I thought it was. It was my fault for not looking at the product page to see that the item was a texture and not a figure. I asked for a refund because I didn't own the figure the texture was for. In the future, I go to the product page before buying a Fastgrab item. I'm sure this will eventually get resolved, but I shouldn't have to submit more than one notice to the support staff before any action is taken.

A 2p about problems: I bought something which didn't work quite as the readme indicated. I contacted the Merchant and asked a bunch of questions in a sitemail. He responded and we opened a dialog . Not only did I learn how to use it as indicated, he fixed the readme to clarify the situation. He even came up with a product that used our learning dialog to expand his product line. It was a learning experience and a rich one for both of us.

Thing to remember is everyone has their own POV from their life experience. Merchants included! Don't get mad at people without reason.  A little reasonableness goes a long way.  I worked it out with the merchant and got a freebie,to boot!  You could too. Just be honest, and try to be helpful to yourself and the Merchant.  They want repeat customers, and good customer service is worth it's weight in gold.

Philc has the best customer service on the planet, and because of that, he has a BIG repeat business. Both Rendo and DAZ have a baffle between the customer and the Merchant.  Here at Rendo, it you bypass the baffle and work with the merchant directly....a lot can be accomplished.

Erm, you tend to spend more money at Daz because things are more expensive there?

Just kidding, but true anyhow.

artposer,

For a store issue you need to contact store@renderosity.com .  The Marketplace staff handles issues with store orders.

Thank you