What is the point of the figures that are only in Poser 2010?  There is a male and female, in two resolutions.  There are no clothing for them at all.  At least none that I can find. 
Do I need to reinstall Poser 2010 to get their clothing?  
There is no Wardrobe Wizard support for them.  I am not finding much support other than face room support.  What am I supposed to do with these figures?  What can I do with them?
Where can I find the license for them?

They originally came with Poser Pro, so are not Poser Pro 2010 only. They are sort of like merchant resources, because SM gives you permission to create derivative works (modify the mesh and rigging to your own needs) and re-distribute the resulting figure as your own work, even though you didn't create the figure first.

They are meant to be the source of "plagiarized" work - a quick head start on making your own unique figure.

With all due respect to BB, and others who disagree with me...

Much has been written about the Poser native figures. There are many opinions. I will share with you my own.

Get Michael 4 and Victoria 4, plus their morph++ packs from Daz3d and get on with your life.

As to clothing, you BUY it (or search for freebees... which I can assure you, are not going to fulfill all your needs.) This is an incredibly expensive hobby, and (excluding the percious few here who can actually model their own clothing and props) you have to get ready to let go of a lot of bucks to get the materials you need to create the sort of scenes that you really want.

The native Poser characters have NEVER been widely supported except over at Content Paradise, and even the things there are, IMHO, not up to snuff compared to the unbelievable variety available for M4 and V4 here at Rendo, at Daz3d, Poserworld, and at 9mBi. Not to mention all the freebees. We'll not even get into aesthetics, as there have been many mean words and hurt feelings over these characters.

My bottom line: The native Poser characters are a dead end. Move on and make some art.

My $.02

For clarification may I please ask basicwiz, are you referring to the Poser 8 figures named Alyson and Ryan or the "open source" figures that 3dkaya and bagginsbill are talking about?

 Alyson and Ryan. Sorry. I was confused. Thanks Phil!

Not being one to push meshes around, I had forgotten about the others.

My rant about Alyson and Ryan stands. :)

No problem :)

By way of example all the figures on this page from Gladys Emmanuel and later were developed to a greater or lesser extent from the Poser Pro figures.

HI Folks

Question -

these  open  source  Pro  figures -

are we saying that  you  can  customize  them  and then  share them  as a full  figure  CR2 ????

And then  further - are there any figures  like this  in Poser 7 and earlier?

Thanks

yes
no

(for full details read the respective EULA)

How can I get these "open source" models into Zbrush?  I think I know how to get them into hexagon and Carrara, but I want to try to modify them in Zbrush first.
Where can I learn how to import poser models into Zbrush or export Zbrush models for Poser?

zero the figures, export to OBJ, import OBJ into Zbrush.

same as any other figure.

Posted Fri, Apr 2, 2010 1:27 pm *
yes

SO then .....

someone can  share the  open source figure  with someone who  does not have Poser Pro ????   maybe even  an  an  un-altered  state ....meaning ....exactly how the figure exists in  Poser Pro?

Quote - No problem :)

By way of example all the figures on this page from Gladys Emmanuel and later were developed to a greater or lesser extent from the Poser Pro figures.

Well that's an interesting tidbit! Does that mean that they could all share skin textures?

Quote - With all due respect to BB, and others who disagree with me...

Much has been written about the Poser native figures. There are many opinions. I will share with you my own.

Get Michael 4 and Victoria 4, plus their morph++ packs from Daz3d and get on with your life.

As to clothing, you BUY it (or search for freebees... which I can assure you, are not going to fulfill all your needs.) This is an incredibly expensive hobby, and (excluding the percious few here who can actually model their own clothing and props) you have to get ready to let go of a lot of bucks to get the materials you need to create the sort of scenes that you really want.

The native Poser characters have NEVER been widely supported except over at Content Paradise, and even the things there are, IMHO, not up to snuff compared to the unbelievable variety available for M4 and V4 here at Rendo, at Daz3d, Poserworld, and at 9mBi. Not to mention all the freebees. We'll not even get into aesthetics, as there have been many mean words and hurt feelings over these characters.

My bottom line: The native Poser characters are a dead end. Move on and make some art.

My $.02

I'll have to respectfully disagree with this UNLESS:

You aren't serious enough about the hobby to care to make your own content for it and are satisfied with what you can find or buy - it's just for fun and you wanna keep it simple (and that's perfectly ok)...

And last, but not least, you want or don't mind that your renders look more or less like every other Poser render. I'm not bashing ANYONE, but I do think there is a glut of the same type of thing in the Poser galleries - same characters, same hair, same clothes and so forth. There is nothing new under the sun ;o). Most of the time it's because of lack of skill that you see only items made by someone else. Some of the time it's sheer laziness. Flame me if you like...lol.

There are other figures out there besides all the Daz Figures, a lot of them also free (but as basicwiz has stated, not as well supported by free and commercial products)... I have a nice listing on my web site of alternative free and commercial figures.

Laurie

 ...and LaurieA...

You know that I strongly disagree with YOU. :)

It's not that I'm not "serious" enough about the hobby, it is that I have dismally failed at every modeling program I have tried including Wings. I've got a wealth of content and textures, so there is no problem with sameness from where I sit. I suspect it is the other artists who see this more than the community viewers. :)

The second part of the equation is, modeling doesn't hold any real interest for me. I'm a photographer, not a painter, which is to say I'm too busy making scenes (many of which I sell regularly) to be interested in something that takes loads of time and has no immediate return.

Don't get me wrong. I'm tickled PINK that YOU want to do what you do! And I have less than no problem paying you to do it (ask any of the several people I've hired to make custom content for me, or the myriad of vendors here who have profited from sales to me.) It's just that I (and I suspect about 99.5% of Poser users) are just that... "users" not "designers." Were it otherwise, I'd do as my friend OBM890 does and do everything in a design program.

Given my mindset, I think you can see why I have no use at all for what I refer to as the "marginal" characters that never garner much support. To me, with my lack of modeling skills, they ARE useless until they gather some real support.

Perhaps I'm the only hack here who can't model, but I strongly suspect I'm in major company (Rendo boasts over 500K members and a couple hundred vendors.).

Again, My $.02

and could stop handing out your .02 every chance you get?

I've read now 3 variations on it plus you baiting those working on Antonia.

we get it. you want everyone to use Daz. (if not thats the impression you give everyone).

so non daz is not for you. good for you. but it's not all about YOU.

 Pardon me. I'm done. I just hate to see new users go down dead ends I've been down myself.

But That's it. I'll not say another word about these issues.

So what's the deal ????  can  the  "open  source"  Poser  Pro / 2010  figures  be freely shared to  those of us  who do not have  oser  Pro???

HMMMMM???????

You could always try asking SmithMicro - they are the only ones who can give you a definitive answer

@santicor: PhilC noted in a post above that some of his figures are derived from the Poser Pro figures, and since he's given them away and sold them, I guess the answer to a certain degree is yes.

@basicwiz: I understand where you're coming from. I just don't want newer folks to think that Daz is the be-all end-all when there is lots of other stuff out there ;o). It would be ignorant to the folks that made them available not to mention them, and so many of them being given away free for the taking - without having to buy morph packs I might add ;o). I don't have anything against Daz really, but I gag sometimes when I look in the gallery and all I get is a Vickyfest wearing the same hair and outfit with the same empty, vacuous expression ;o). It's why I don't post much anymore myself. What can I contribute to a gallery already saturated with Vickys? If it's something other than Vicky, no one looks anyway, and I'm fine with that...lol.

Laurie

Thanks Laurie!  ( BTW you  are  cute!)  but I was trying ti  IMPLY something with my question  ;-)

Why, thank you santicor....lol

Laurie

That "Tired" arguement that there's just not enough stuff for the Poser folks is just that. Tired! Not to mention complete and utter bullhockey! With programs out there like Wardrobe Wizard and Clothing Creator and TextureConverter 2, your point that there's not enough stuff for the Poser figures is utter BS!

I would expect nothing less from someone who can't be bothered to take the time to actually learn to do anything for themselves, but to say "You're doing it for the New Kids" is really laughable when it's repeated adnauseum to the point of Advertising For DAZ.

You want to help the newbies? Give them some real advice. Answer their basic questions when they pop up in the forums looking lost and bewildered when they can't get clothes to fit. Tell them cool tips like "The Poser 5 people can all Wear DAZ Mil2 Skin Textures"!

I animate.

I use Posette and Dork.
Natalia and Natrixa and Natalia 3.
Dina and Dina V
Don and Judy 
James and Jessie
Miki and Miki 2
Terai Yuki1& 2
Antonia
Angela
Neftoon Gal
The Girl 1,2, 3
Staci
Rikishi
Mayadoll
BJDoll
Tuyuko
Apollo Maximus
Ba0
Chery Anime 1 & 2
Eroko
Vicki 1-4
Mike 1-4
Millkids.
Mill teens
Cubed Babies
Kaedeko
The variants of all the above that have been created over the years. And quite a few others I don't have the notes handy to name.

Daz is easy. But since anyone can use dazspam in a can, it is also a look that is easily spotted. Variety is where you can shine. Because these meshes are nothing but tools and resources. It is up to the artist/writer/animator/storyboarder/whatever to make them -characters-, with past, present, and maybe a future. The trick, if you can't model your own unique meshes, is to assemble a large enough library of options to keep from limiting yourself. Costly, sure.$5 to $15 a pop adds up over the years. The total amount that most of the known users have invested, if dropped at once, is utterly insane. Over a couple of =decades=, no biggie.

What you use is governed by what you want to portray. I'd never use Victoria in a modern jazz dance session. Such dancers usually are barefoot, and there simply isn't enough control over the foot structure to do someone barefoot throwing their weight around convincingly. Slippers would be another matter. A lot of 'useless' meshes, though, have the toe rigging to make it feasible (Judy and Jessie, TY1, Antonia, for examples). Little things like lip biting, barefooting, hair flipping, hand talking, are just a very few things that can be used to make a mesh into something more; a character. And if you don't have the variations, then all you get is obviously the same mesh. And that can and does kill stills and animations alike. With the rigging variations in different models, I get different strides and motion patterns from the exact same bvh file. Just scaling VIcki doesn't change the rigging, so you get the sameness of motion. With careful scaling, most dynamic clothes are pretty univeral. Ditto with dynamic hair.

That "Tired" arguement that there's just not enough stuff for the Poser folks is just that. Tired! Not to mention complete and utter bullhockey! With programs out there like Wardrobe Wizard and Clothing Creator and TextureConverter 2, your point that there's not enough stuff for the Poser figures is utter BS!

YEAH!
I often use Sydney G2.
I spent about 1  day making a body  morph for her ... and a custom micro bikini, using W3D.

check it out, if you  wish:

http://www.renderosity.com/mod/gallery/index.php?image_id=2039992

Nothing against  the poster,  but I think  you should  make your own  stuff if you  need something
 It  aint rocket science.

3dkaya: Sounds like you already have Zbrush, with Zbrush and Poser you're well on your way to lots of fun with the figures already included in Poser. (and daz figures as well)  I agree with the idea of making your own characters, thats what is nice about the dev figures included in Poser. You can do what you want with them, where as most other figures you cannot (except Antonia she's open source too) You can change them to suit your needs and rig them any way you want.  Dr. Geep and PilC have alot of usefull tutorials on many operations for Poser and figure creation.

www.drgeep.com/         www.philc.net/   Antonia:  sites.google.com/site/antoniapolygon/        

Quote - That "Tired" arguement that there's just not enough stuff for the Poser folks is just that. Tired! Not to mention complete and utter bullhockey! With programs out there like Wardrobe Wizard and Clothing Creator and TextureConverter 2, your point that there's not enough stuff for the Poser figures is utter BS!

YEAH!
I often use Sydney G2.
I spent about 1  day making a body  morph for her ... and a custom micro bikini, using W3D.

check it out, if you  wish:

http://www.renderosity.com/mod/gallery/index.php?image_id=2039992

Nothing against  the poster,  but I think  you should  make your own  stuff if you  need something
 It  aint rocket science.

 

How very UnSydney of her! Wow! I'm a bit blinded now! :tt2:

I've been at this for over ten years now, and I'm only, at this point, delicately skirting around the edges of making my own stuff when I need it.

Even the simplest things take two hours to get up and working, if everything goes right.  Hair?  Forget it.  I've got some theories on how to make great hair, but the execution eludes me. 

I use Max, and even with  the latest there just seems to be some tools which are obviously needed that don't exist, which means lots of manual moving of verticies.

A greatly detailed model of clothing could take days of your free time to have ready for your scene.  Some of you people act like it takes five minutes.

So, of course peope are going to use bought items!  And really, the "tired old argument" that all V4's look the same is absurd.  Only the noobiest noobs use a stock V4.  If they do, they are most likely just new. 

Anyone who wants to work with the default Poser Characters, God Bless you and Godspeed...but DO please realize your place int he universe:  you are the minority. 

Most people that I've seen defend them tend to have results that are less than impressive.  Santicor, the body is excellent but the face, I don't know...need to see something more nuetral to really judge. 

Nevertheless, it makes my very point:  You have to totally redo the default figures to make them look vaguely human.  The ones that are really good look like...guess what?...V4 with Morphs++ dialed in.

Just MY .02

* but the face, I don't know...

*I agree.

I have a habit of not investing in the face.

as you might guess , its not my  favorite part of the character.

and further to your point - Yes  many Poser stock  figures  have horrible ugly  faces which  are in fact  very  uniquely  ugly  and tough to improve.

I've been at this a looonnnggg time myself and I too am just now starting to make my own stuff. However, I've been texturing almost as long as I've been Posering and even a custom texture is something different.

I know Daz figures are popular, and that's fine - I use them myself and I have since Dork and Posette and the first millennium figures. I just think it does the other creators of wonderful figures a disservice not to mention them as well. All is not Daz...lol. It just makes me angry when folks imply that. Sure they're big and sure, they've flooded the market, but  they are not the only things out there. I like to stress that to new folks: heck, you don't even really have to buy anything to use Poser if you don't want to or can't afford to. And it IS expensive - if I totaled up all the purchases I've made over my 10+ years with Poser I'd probably go into a dead faint... But just to imply that if you don't use Daz figures you're nothing or you'll accomplish nothing is absurd. I mean, really absurd.

Another point I'd like to make: if one never goes beyond just placing, posing and rendering, than where's the fun in that? Break out the morph brush once in awhile, explore the material room, use dynamics once or twice... Making your things unique is NOT easy - it's hard and I think that's where the laziness I spoke of before comes in. I'll admit, not everyone is serious about the hobby like some, which again is fine, but I find personally I get more pride when I render something that I made or at least customized with my own texture than when I use something I got off the shelf. Yep - it takes hours and lots of time and it means I can't upload 3 images a day - but when I do, it's something I like and something I tried really hard on ;o). I guess I like the personal satisfaction more than I like anyone elses...lol.

Laurie

I agree Laurie  and I for some weird  reason  resisted  the Victoria  figure  for a long time

prob b/c  so  much  fuss is made over her.

well i  am  going to  explore some of the Poser figures in  more depth  -

and i REALLY REALLY  want one of the open  source  SM  figures !!!!

Quote - ...and i REALLY REALLY  want one of the open  source  SM  figures !!!!

You'll probably have to invest in PoserPro 2010 for that ;o)...lol.

Laurie

well,  i gotta go  color some Easter eggs.

bye  everyone.

Love you, Laurie!

S

Poser 8 has them too. But you can get Antonia right now for free, and she is free to do what you want with. Really cool that. Thanks ODF :)

Quote - Poser 8 has them too. But you can get Antonia right now for free, and she is free to do what you want with. Really cool that. Thanks ODF :)

Well, I don't know what the precise license terms are for those special Poser figures. If they can be redistributed without mentioning their origins, that might be a big advantage over Antonia.

And why wouldn't anyone wanna mention you and your efforts odf? ;o).

I'm morphing away on Antonia as we speak...

I didn't make her tho...odf did. Just lettin' y'all know...lmao ;o).

Laurie

The problem I have with the native figures are the eyes. I can never get them to look like they aren't scared or worried lol.

How did this topic get so off topic?  This was not about Alyson, Ryan, Jessie, James or any of their friends.  I did not start this topic about them.  I wanted to know information about the unnamed figures that came with poser pro and Poser 2010.  Sorry I did not know that they were also in Poser Pro, as I never had that program.

Can we get back on topic?
How come the Poser Pro male does not have any open source gens?  I do not know how to make those for him, so how can I make a complete male figure without them?  I feel like he is incomplete without them.  Or is there a good tutorial on how to make them?   I am not a guy nor do I have a boy friend, so I do not have a set of real ones to look at.  (though if I had a boy friend he might misunderstand what I mean when I want to look at his gens)  Or can I make a male figure without his gens?   Would it be marketable?

Please lets get back to talking about the nameless Poser Pro figures.

Quote - Can we get back on topic?

Probably not.

*" I am not a guy nor do I have a boy friend, so I do not have a set of real ones to look at."

*.......talk about GOING OFF TOPIC !!!

Sheesh.*

There are no PP2010 figures only . To keep this topic alive we have to go off topic  :laugh:

Quote - How did this topic get so off topic?  This was not about Alyson, Ryan, Jessie, James or any of their friends.  I did not start this topic about them.  I wanted to know information about the unnamed figures that came with poser pro and Poser 2010.  Sorry I did not know that they were also in Poser Pro, as I never had that program.

Can we get back on topic?
How come the Poser Pro male does not have any open source gens?  I do not know how to make those for him, so how can I make a complete male figure without them?  I feel like he is incomplete without them.  Or is there a good tutorial on how to make them?   I am not a guy nor do I have a boy friend, so I do not have a set of real ones to look at.  (though if I had a boy friend he might misunderstand what I mean when I want to look at his gens)  Or can I make a male figure without his gens?   Would it be marketable?

Please lets get back to talking about the nameless Poser Pro figures.

Hop on over to Renderotica. There are some genital figures there that can be applied with a little scaling, and people there could provide you with links to the few free gens out there (location tends to change with host buyout, creator relocating, etc). There may be a freebie or three in the free goodies section, as well. If you own M3 already, I would recommend buying Satanica's Realgen package.

Quote - Can we get back on topic?

No, Baby...

Adzan and Ulf have some free bits over at Male PoserErotica.  However, they are not open source.

You could try exporting the parts you need from the open-source HIM figure:

http://www.sharecg.com/v/21531/poser/Project-Human:-H.I.M.

The license is in OpenDocument format, even though it has a txt extension...

Attached Link: Free Poser figures

Although I cannot disagree with you, it's important to also remember that our primary audience for our artwork shouldn't be the Poser community. The average person wouldn't recognize Vickie, a particular hair, or clothing mesh/texture. That doesn't excuse an expressionless face.

Wardrobe Wizard helps adopt clothing to less used figures, but if it's another standard human figure, it's a lot of extra effort that may or may not work well. Unless there's something unique about that other figure that the artist needs, it might not be worth the trouble. I wouldn't want to expend all that effort simply to force myself to use another figure without an artisitc reason for doing it. The decision should be whether a man, woman, child or creature will be used, and then search for whichever has the right outfits. The decision shouldn't be to use Judy and then spend a lot of time converting stuff for Judy unless there's something about Judy that's more appropriate for the work being created. I could see doing it for Miki because that figure is still the best looking oriental figure. I can see using WW for child figures because they have less native clothing. The same goes for toon and nonhuman figures. This is less a matter of promoting DAZ than being practical.

I've provided a link to a larger list of free character/creature/animal figures available for Poser.

I have bought clothing for characters that weren't made for DAZ and will use those other figures when I want to use that particular character/outfit.

Quote - *" I am not a guy nor do I have a boy friend, so I do not have a set of real ones to look at."

*.......talk about GOING OFF TOPIC !!!

Sheesh.*

I am sorry.  I wish I could take back that sentence so I would not be shamed any more.

Quote - > Quote - *" I am not a guy nor do I have a boy friend, so I do not have a set of real ones to look at."

*.......talk about GOING OFF TOPIC !!!

Sheesh.*

I am sorry.  I wish I could take back that sentence so I would not be shamed any more.

Don't sweat it. You're better off without anyway ;o)...lol.

Laurie

3dkaya,
You are not shamed, so don't feel that way. There are some who are just poking fun is all. I tend to think the new figures in 2010 are a way of SM stepping forward from the past figures...moving on so to speak (as LaurieA is )

I can understand if the 2010 figures are not your cup of tea, but rest assured the rest of the program is light years ahead of it's other versions.
There is a freeware figure called Apollo Maximus (Google is your friend), he has all of the "bits and pieces" for you.
There are also DAZ figures, but those will cost you some cash.

You didn't make a mistake getting 2010, it is by far their best step forward.
Regards

Quote - Another point I'd like to make: if one never goes beyond just placing, posing and rendering, than where's the fun in that?

I only recall using morphs in one of the pictures in my gallery.

The fun is in making the story.

I'm still trying to use James P6.  I love his hands and I like his face.  Still trying to figure out his best crease angle.  I have to postwork with the blur tool every time I render him.  And his eyebrow bleeds down into his eyelids, when he blinks.  but, he's so handsome i haven't turned away from him.

P7 group tool makes it not too hard (i wouldn't say easy) to make stuff inside the program for your own use.  It's a lot harder to start with unique geometry if you're making stuff to distribute.

IMO the poser community has changed from people who started to explore 3D and played around to find new ways to use the existing figures and to modify them to a "Fast Food Community", that wants a solution out of the box. Taking a base figure, adding a character, some or none clothing, a sword and a ready made pose in front of a DM background and they can start to render.

The good thing is, due to the fast growing community the number of figures is growing and the old fashioned guys and gals have time to fiddel around with figures like Antonia, no out of the box solution but a child of the community.