will they go to hell?  

You know, since they never been to earth, they probably haven't heard of the guy.  Just an interesting question that popped into my head.

They won't need salvation if they had never sinned against God in the first place.

In the other case, Human situation applies.

As far as we know, it was only Mankind who fell into Sin. We have no idea what sort of relationship aliens may or may not have with their creator.

Aliens may be the creator.

JC will kick their collective ass, just like he did with the nazis:

How WWII Was Really Won

Attached Link: Do Space Aliens Need Baptism?

LOL...Great question.

I'm with Larry F on this one.  ;)

Its just way to easy to pop the old religious balloon......blind faith is a sad thing.

Quote - will they go to hell?  

You know, since they never been to earth, they probably haven't heard of the guy.  Just an interesting question that popped into my head.

If they come to Earth they will have found Hell!.

The upside is were to find  God, in Hell, helping souls out.

Help Ever Hurt Never.

Attached Link: pope-astronomer-baptise-aliens

We muslims dont accept Jesus as our savior
we Love him as  Nobel prophet sent to the children of Isreal
Like we Love Moses , Abrahm, Noah etc.

We rely upon and worship the CREATOR (ALLAH , GOD, yawhey) who miraculously created the noble son of mary and sent him as  THE messiah to the children of Isreal.

Jesus NEVER SAID : "I AM GOD WORSHIP ME"
**
Paul (formerly saul of tarsus )**

started the falsehood of the Divinity the noble son of Mary when he appointed him self a "prophet " as began writing a series of False testimonies known a "the new testament"

if aliens exist  (Allah, GOD, yawhey) will Deal with them in a fashion befitting if his Majesty and Divine justice.

We Humans will be held accountable to our LORD for what we did on his Earth
and therefore have no true  need to know what was happening in the Galaxy Andromeda Except as an Academic Pursuit for those choosing astronomy as a Career .

Cheers

ohoh religion,how long will it take until the mods close this thread ? ;)

It should have been closed after the first post.

Ray Bradbury wrote a story about about explorers coming to a planet, and discovering that someone, who was apparently Jesus. had previously visited and just left.  The leader sets off in persuit, but one of his crew realizes that the way to discover Him was to stay. 

I wish I could remember the title...  EDIT: Ah, I found it-it's "The Man", in his collection The Illustrated Man...

Attached Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNf-P_5u_Hw

 The statement was made that Jesus never said "I am God worship me" yet his claims to Godhood are apparant to anyone who reads the Gospels.

It is contradictory to say "Jesus is a prophet" and DENY the things he did claim  "no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."

Apparantly he was a prophet but he was wrong too.

Is this thread closed now?

I'm gonna get in under the wire.  I'm an atheist, so... 

Perhaps Aliens would have some knowledge of God. They may have knowledge of him as another name, like Creator.. or higher power or great one.

 " yet his claims to Godhood are apparant to anyone who reads the Gospels.

It is contradictory to say "Jesus is a prophet" and DENY the things he did claim  "no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.""***

Umm  and how does that proves he was GOD the creator of universe
Every prophet asserted that the only way to know the Lord was through them from Noah to Muhamad(PBUH) thats because they were all receiving Divine revelation

John 8:28 Jesus states:
"When you have lifted up the Son of Man, then you will know that I am the one I claim to be and that I do nothing on my own but speak just what the Father has taught me. 29The one who sent me is with me; he has not left me alone, for I always do what pleases him." 30Even as he spoke, many put their faith in him.

John 5:30 jesus states:"By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me."

Oh and Jesus was not BORN when Noah, Abraham, Moses Did their noble Duty to GOD
so they are to be in hell for not worshipping him???

NONSENSE!!!

Cheers

 You are reading into the idea that he could do nothing because of inability rather than the choice of a role.

I notice you did not attempt to explain how he was a prophet and yet claimed to be the only avenue to God the Father.

Was this prophet wrong?

If he is wrong why is he a prophet?

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You know, since they never been to earth, they probably haven't heard of the guy.  Just an interesting question that popped into my head.

Once we learn to communicate with them, we may learn that they have something similar to Terran (religious) myths, legends, and other stories, but it's just as likely that they'll have something completely different even if they have the concepts of "God", "Sin" etc.

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 You are reading into the idea that he could do nothing because of inability rather than the choice of a role.

I notice you did not attempt to explain how he was a prophet and yet claimed to be the only avenue to God the Father.

Was this prophet wrong?

If he is wrong why is he a prophet?

Ummm yes I did
Noah was a prophet those of his people at that time wanted to be saved would only be able to do so by obeying NOAH's instructions.. not the local blacksmith  in town or whomever.

Moses was a prophet those of his people(the jews)at that time those wanted to be saved would only be able to do so by obeying MOSES
instructions not the local blacksmith  in town or whomever.
it is the nature of everyone of GOD's prophets very simple

Jesu never said any wrong in regards to what ALLAH told him to say .

because ALLAH doe not give false information to his messengers.

Cheers

There is nothing in the TOS that states that posts of this nature, OT though they may be, are a violation.  We keep an eye on them, nothing more.  We only close them when they turn into fights.  (And, yes, there's a HUGE difference between a debate and a fight.)  If you can't keep yourself from fighting, I'd ask that you refrain from posting in any thread where the topic is not to your liking.

there is almost no possibility that intelligent organisms capable of space flight don't exist
on other planets. however, as multi-cellular carbon-based life-forms cannot survive
interstellar travel, no such extra-terrestrial species have ever visited this planet,
nor are they capable of directing communication beams at earth (as shown by SETI).
the same goes for humans trying to communicate with other planets: they can't produce
nor operate the terawatt directed-beam communication device they would need.
thus, the question of how extra-terrestrial species are affected by human superstitions is
moot, as they cannot be affected by them.

I'm pretty sure I'm a pattern in an incredibly gigantic cellular automaton and so are all of you as well as the aliens. I don't see how that helps but I had to say it.

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or George

Laurie

IBL

I know this thread isn't in violation, but topics of this nature tend to become volatile and get locked eventually. So...... I'm getting my IBL in before hand

;)

and you all assume any aliens would A: understand us, B: even see us as life, C: would find this planet habitable and visit in the first place.

Ralphie

There probably is life on other planets, but I highly doubt their evolution would produce anything like humans, either in form or what we call civilization. Add the remote likelihood that a technologically advanced life form would exist close enough in either time or proximity to come into contact with us, and the question become moot. 

On a cosmic time scale, stars, and their systems of planets, wink in and out of existence so quickly, and we are barely a blip on Earth's relatively short life. Winning the lottery looks like a slam dunk compared to bumping into anything cruising around out there in a ship. All this in direct contradiction to Dr. Kaku. 

You know, I used to know an astronomer who described himself as a sun worshipper. I'm sort of eying quantum gravity at the moment... 

Quote - We muslims dont accept Jesus as our savior
we Love him as  Nobel prophet sent to the children of Isreal
Like we Love Moses , Abrahm, Noah etc.

We rely upon and worship the CREATOR (ALLAH , GOD, yawhey) who miraculously created the noble son of mary and sent him as  THE messiah to the children of Isreal.

Jesus NEVER SAID : "I AM GOD WORSHIP ME"
**
Paul (formerly saul of tarsus )**

started the falsehood of the Divinity the noble son of Mary when he appointed him self a "prophet " as began writing a series of False testimonies known a "the new testament"

You can disbelieve Paul, I certainly have my own doubts about his self appoinment, But the Gospels start with the books of Matthew, Mark Luke & John. His divinity was established well before Paul got his hands on Christianity.

John 1

The Word Became Flesh

 1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was with God in the beginning.  3Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.

This pretty is where your "He's just a Prophet" argument falls short. If Jesus is the word of God as John says he is, then yes, he is God.

Ask youself this, "If my words could be made flesh, would they still be me or would they be someone else?"

Remember that one of the names for Jesus is the "kinsman redeemer", and He likely didn't die for the sins of aliens any more than he died for the sins of dolphins.  If aliens exist, it's likely they would have their own plan of salvation, one that didn't involve coming here and being proselytized to by us.

 Just a little reminder that staff are STILL watching this thread, and the less we stray from the OP's lighthearted idea (and keep it lighthearted), the less likely the thread is to get locked.  If you'd like to debate the finer points of the world's religions, it might be more appropriate to do so via sitemail ;)

I was just answering what was already posted. This is why religion shouldn't be discussed here at all. People post unfounded arguments against whatever religion that they don't choose to follow and people who do follow it feel it neccesary to post rebuttals.

As someone who believes in the divinity of Christ, I couldn't just watch while someone knocked it based on feeble reasoning, I don't mind that Paul's writings are knocked,  but the Gospels on the other hand were written with first hand knowledge of the person they were writing about.

 And, as has been stated before, in this thread and others, if one does not like what is posted, either in the OP or the follow-up posts, one does not have to comment.  No one is forcing anyone to comment.  If anyone has a problem with a post or thread, please contact a staff member.  But, we do not lock or delete threads simply because someone might not like the subject.  If it's not a TOS violation, let's not turn it into one ;)

I consider myself a person loosely in the tradition of Abraham.  Depending on your definition, I could be a Christian, a Muslim and a Jew, or none of the above.  I also find "gaiaspheric" notions to be intriguing.  It intrigues me to consider that things like the notion of the "endtimes" and 2012 are related to the absense of new frontiers to explore, and that we've hit the point at which the Earth can barely sustain us at precisely the same time that we can reasonably consider leaving it as a viable option.  Maybe the moment at which a species can seriously entertain the notion of leaving its birthplace is the time at which it should start actually trying to do so...

I just can't imagine humanity going into space and taking a multitude of overlapping and/or conflicting beliefs with it.  Then again, I grew up on Star Trek and its contrasting of various alien customs and beliefs with a humanity that had finally seemed to overcome those differences within itself.

Got to post in case it gets locked.  Never been in a locked thread before

-Rªnce

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You know, since they never been to earth, they probably haven't heard of the guy.  Just an interesting question that popped into my head.

It depends if the aliens are conservative or liberal.

Jen,

Did you look into the wrong end of your camera? 

I have quite a few pictures of my foot....

 Personally I'm a Druid (reformed), we're allowed to pray at bushes as well as trees.

I don't see any point in locking it until someone becomes rude.  It says "OT" and is very clear about what is inside.

I am offended by the stifling of ideas.  Locking this thread would offend me. ;)

I consider it to be defamatory to say Jesus isn't God. That's in the TOS is it not? No Defamatory statements?

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I am offended by the stifling of ideas.  Locking this thread would offend me. ;)

I see no reason to lock this thread as long as everyone acts like adults. 

I think if they could get here, they'd either a) know whether or not there's a Hell and how to avoid going there and/or b) whether or not there's a God/they are in fact God.

"I consider it to be defamatory to say Jesus isn't God. That's in the TOS is it not? No Defamatory statements?"

Then can Sam and I, as atheists, also say that stating God absolutely exists be defamatory as well?   ;)

SnowS

Quote - I think if they could get here, they'd either a) know whether or not there's a Hell and how to avoid going there and/or b) whether or not there's a God/they are in fact God.

"I consider it to be defamatory to say Jesus isn't God. That's in the TOS is it not? No Defamatory statements?"

Then can Sam and I, as atheists, also say that stating God absolutely exists be defamatory as well?   ;)

SnowS

Of course you can, but it would still be a breach of the TOS concerning defamatory statements that they're claiming don't exist in this thread. Frankly any discussion of religion is going to defame one person or another's beliefs. This is why most forums don't allow such discussions unless they thrive on the strife that ensues.

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I'm an atheist. When the Christians, Jews, Muslims, and Hindus have finished killing each other, the atheist's will inherit the Earth. I just pray to Athos (the god of atheism) that there is enough of the Earth left to be worth inheriting by the time they finish killing each other. 

The China vs. Muslim war will be the big one.  China being the atheist dudes.

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Then can Sam and I, as atheists, also say that stating God absolutely exists be defamatory as well?   ;)

SnowS

If you think your "nothing" might be offended. 

I've never understood why atheists defend "nothing" as if it were a something.  I can see a religion urging its adherents to go out and convert, but why do atheists even care? 

"Wrong" is not an insult.  If I wanted to defame you I would say you smell bad or make unfounded accusations about your family.  There is no shame in simply being wrong.  

Quote - I've never understood why atheists defend "nothing" as if it were a something.

And I never understood why religious people defend "nothing" as if it were a something. So I guess we are in a strange sort of agreement there!

Quote - I can see a religion urging its adherents to go out and convert, but why do atheists even care?

Because it is good to care about things, about the truth, about people, about the world we live in. Caring is life enhancing, and if you care about the right things it can make the world a better place. I think that even many religious people would agree on that point.