we all know that the entire universe was sneezed out of the nose of a being called The Great Green Arkleseizure.

Beware the Coming of the Great White Handkerchief!

Quote - I vaguely recall hearing the ‘be your own God’ thing associated with Mormonism, but a quick check shows that it is not part of official doctrine. If you start getting into details about the different states of heaven etc. I can imagine a few people coming to such a conclusion. ...

Well look at it this way:

According to Mormons we are all God's "spirit children". God has a wife and a physical existence. They have procreated and created all the human souls. Every time a child is born on Earth, a spirit inhabits its body - a spirit that pre-existed and was created by the procreation of "God" and his wife.

After the final Judgment the best of the best married male Mormons  are reunited with their wive(s) and then can procreate, creating their own spirit children.

Okay, so where does that lead?

That leads to the inevitable conclusion that those people have in a very real sense become gods. And it strongly implies that "God" was once just a regular person.

It is not a misinterpretation. It may not be widely taught or be "official" doctrine that they explicitly say "you will become a god", but it IS the ultimate goal and belief.

The problem with absolute statements is that a lot of the time, they're wrong.

There is no doctrine, or teaching, that there is a Heavenly Mother in the LDS church.  Many believe so, simply because it makes logical sense, but that is not a teaching held by the church.  And there are literally thousands of opinions on the logistics behind "spiritual children".  

Making absolute statements about viewpoints which one does not personally hold is dangerous ground to tread.  It would be no different than saying all Atheists are amoral.  No different than saying all Agnostics are really Atheists who don't want to offend their mothers.  No different than saying all Pagans worship Satan.  And, saying it like "Of course they believe in this thing I'm talking about right now.  They just don't come out and say it." is right up there with "Of course all homosexuals are child molesters.  Some just hide it better."  The fact that the statement isn't true on the whole isn't the point.  It's the fact that some people will see it as fact and never question it, because they respect the viewpoint of the one presenting it.  THAT is why you definitely want to tread lightly when posting about a POV that is not your own.  It may be your opinion that these things happen, but that doesn't make them true for all.  

all we need is LOVE

its quite simple, isn't it ?
Love each other, love the fellow plants and animals on the Earth, love the Earth. Love the expanses of space....Love ... it's what its all about.

Think about that beyond its simplicity.

Quote - we all know that the entire universe was sneezed out of the nose of a being called The Great Green Arkleseizure.

Beware the Coming of the Great White Handkerchief!  

LOL:  After the Coming of the Great White Hankerchief and its mopping up some 100 billion years from now (assuming that the GWH will collapse to a point singularity) create another universe --- from snot --- and those folks discovering that! 

It's a wonderful thing that ours is the original.  Jan

Quote - all we need is LOVE

its quite simple, isn't it ?
Love each other, love the fellow plants and animals on the Earth, love the Earth. Love the expanses of space....Love ... it's what its all about.

Think about that beyond its simplicity.

 I believe that's at the heart of Shinto.  Pretty good doctrine, IMO.

I was wisked up into a spaceship which was a magificent orb shape...kind of shimmering with a pearlescent colour...with very pastel lights around itself. It was just hovering above me when a door opened near the outer edge and a beam came down, right at me. I was frozen, couldn't run even if I wanted to...it was worse than one of those dreams where you run in slow motion...except I couldn't run. My breath was lodged in my throat and my heart had stopped...I'm sure of it.

When I became awake, I was seated in a bed of air... and when my eyes cleared there was a being before me...humanoid shape but somwhat milky, almost translucent.

He raised his right hand upward, which was more of a shape than actually with fingers ... and motioned towards the heavens. He then made a gesture as to encompass all of space and everything around us. He then gazed at me deeply...it was a penetrating gaze, as if he was probing right into my mind. ll of a sudden things were moving on its eyes...like watching a TV..it was ideas and memories from my mind, my dreams, my experiences, whisking right before me.

All of a sudden it spoke, not as in speech, but as in thoughts going into my head. He explained that they have been watching us and probing us for centuries. We had not achieved the simple truths in life. We have overlooked the obvious. That we are all here on this planet called Earth and are to live in harmony with one another and all creatures. He said there was one of them, whome we knew, that attempted to show us the way, but we ignored his words. There were others as well, and we have ignored them. Its a simple thing, harmony, the ocncept is love.

And I awoke.

and thus the answer to the op

God will have sent the aliens their own savior to recognize. Also, Aliens may never have had the Adam and Eve Apple senario, they may not be born with original sin.

Quote - all we need is LOVE

its quite simple, isn't it ?
Love each other, love the fellow plants and animals on the Earth, love the Earth. Love the expanses of space....Love ... it's what its all about.

Think about that beyond its simplicity.

As a fellow animal to love I propose the bull frog. You can get some englightment from this page.

Please, wake up. Life is just a matter of eating and killing until being killed and eaten (hopefully in this order, sometimes, as the page shows, things happen the other way around).

Quote - As a fellow animal to love I propose the bull frog.

I love their legs, does that count ?

Quote - > Quote - As a fellow animal to love I propose the bull frog.

I love their legs, does that count ?

If you enjoy behaving like them, yes.

well....everyone seems that has a good knowledge of what exists and what not...

i will give my statement althought i do know that it won't help much...

God excist for those who believe in him...

God does not excist to the non believers...

its simple as that...

im with the first.

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I grew up in the Mormon church and NEVER EVER heard any of that.  Do you have any place I can actually read that for myself?

not sure if you're from the u.s. jen but those ideas about the lds were running on the news widely when mit romney was in the running for president.  speculation about all this made the tale repeat more and more wildly.  also the stuff about women only being capable of entering the afterlife through their husbands. 

further reading your info about god having made all the stars and planets and worlds and stuff, it does make sense considering the time this religion arose in history.

interesting that someone left this thread angered because people are using the words fantasy and delusion. 

the secular see the religious as delusional forgetting that the religious see the secular in the same way.

it's too bad.

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"Fiwst Cawse (Cawsmolawgicle Awgooment)

Evewythin need a cawse, cuz, um, dat is how it is. We mew an hoomins gif us fud. Hoomins go in noysy box an go awayz an dey com bak wif fud. Dis is cawse an effekt. Who gifs teh hoomins fud? Oder hoomins cant gif hoomins fud so Ceiling Cat mus be givin dem fud for us and dem. See, Ceiling Cat bless teh hoomins wif fud for feedin us, how niec of Ceiling Cat! Hoomins must be pettin him awl teh tiem!

Ceiling Cat maed teh fiwst mew, an he maed fud for awl hoomins and kittehs. Der be no utta way to maek fud, srsly. So Ceiling Cat stawteded it awl!"

"Rellijus Xpiryunce

Sum luckeh kittehs iz visted by teh Ceiling Cat an tehn tehy do weeurd stuff liek wot they hadnt befour. Liek tehr wus a kitteh once tha wuz killin all teh niec kittehs tha wuz lieking the Ceiling Cat. Booooo!!! But tehn he wuz on teh way to kill sum more kittehs wen teh Ceiling Cat cum down an tek awey teh kittehs eyez. He wuz liek WTF!?!? An teh Ceiling Cat wuz liek “wy yu be killin mai kittehs? Iz gonna pwn yu” but thn he didnt pwn him an gev him his eyez bak an teh kitteh wuz so graytful an he lieked the Ceiling Cat to jus liek the kittehs hed bin killin!"

In this thread the past few days I've retired from being a contributer, content to be a reader.

This has continued to be interesting, educational, and sometimes funny. I won't backtrack to "original sin" and Aliens since I already put in my time on that one way back on page 10. 

As for "after-life", I can't get into Constantine's construct of projecting Roman/Greek myth onto Christianity and turning Zeus into Jehovah. White guy with a beard sitting on a very heavy golden throne suspended by water vapor, cotton wool and zero turtles just doesn't work as a being who is Everywhere at All times. By definition he is way too finite to be the Ultimate Infinite Being of Love and Creation. Needless to say, what do I know? "It might be turtles all the way down."

But what if...

another dimension were experienced when we die. A dimension not only of sight and sound but a dimension of mind. A Land of both shadow and substance, of things and ideas. 

Sorry, I confused myself for a second. Forget that, I was thinking of the Twilight Zone.

What if, there is an eternal value to the sum of what we call ourselves that remains after we let go of our body? And that, while we no longer have the system available to perceive this earthly world we become aware of another dimension that has always been here in a different phase of time/space.

Merged with the Universe in a sea of nuetrinos  we might feel reunited with the source of all "things" if there was a consciousness to the Universe. And if the Universe had a consciousness that absorbed the being-self of everyone who ever lived then you might call that God. But if it turned out that was true but it wasn't God, I still wouldn't want to bad mouth it right away, being new to the Dimension and all.

God made man in his own image and I've never seen an alien (except when equipped with a cloaking device) who looked anything like a human. Best they can hope for is doggie heaven.

I have to ask , what makes you think the aliens would have any concept of religion at all?  We could tell them about our religions and they may just stare at us at us and never get it.  Same with music, there is nothing about it that makes it universal that all intelligent life will understand it. 

Also think of this in reverse too.  What if the aliens started asking us about a strange concept that we just cannot understand at all.  Then we figure out that they think we should all be condemned for not understanding what they think is so universal and dear to them.

binary is the key

[Sound of teeth skretching] ...this thread had slipped out of the first page and I was already hoping that it had died... and it is BACK.

It is a zombie thread, totterind aroung shouting... GOOOOODDDDSSSSS!!!

People feel bad about themselves after stating that there is no God.  So they come back here in hopes that others will agree with them so they can feel better about themselves.  But the feeling of good is a false one.

why would you feel bad if you believe there is no god ? are not humans inherently good?
we need an alien to step up and answer the question ..Are you spiritual or not?

God is God, the force of all creation and consciouness, if God created aliens then if there are rules in place for some after existance then they too would go there as well.

I believe God is the universe and beyond and that God is embodied in all things living and and static, that God lives through us and we through God, a simbiotic relationship you might say, explaiNs a good reason for creatingus in the first place.

That only consciousness is in Gods image not any specific species, just the ability to imagine and have free will.

sorta like god is everything and everywhere. god is the universe and all that it contains. OH ..you just said that part. and we are all a part of it. coexisting. one for all and all for one. we are but a piece of the whole...all essential for harmony.

I can buy that one, for sure.

but who is jesus then?

Quote - People feel bad about themselves after stating that there is no God.  So they come back here in hopes that others will agree with them so they can feel better about themselves.  But the feeling of good is a false one.

Nope.  And I don't care if people agree with me or not.

Again, I wish people wouldn't try to tell me how I think.

As a resident alien I must chime in to say.....meh!

Well, immortality exists. This silly thread is the proof.

"Well, immortality exists. This silly thread is the proof."

And yet, you're contributing to its continued existence. God does indeed work in mysterious ways.

this is a fun thread, please don't let is die at page 13.

this is a Poser thread too. So I launch Poser, new scene, delete everything I can click on, open the hierarchy editor, and all I'm left with is ... the UNIVERSE.

I didn't create it. It was there from the sheer beginning. Poser created the universe. And it has Representatives on Earth. And Books about it. And Followers. Hmmm. I see some Great Possiblities coming up. 

May the Pose be with you.

Repsonse to Shorterbus

"God made man in his own image" and I've never seen an alien

Look into the work of Ken Klein.

A study of the Hebrew text of the original bible does not say God made man in his own image. Surprisingly enough its says "Let us make man in our image" HMMMM, now what could that possibly mean...The Sumerians had a good idea of what that meant in the creation tablets..shocking stuff there.

The Co-Creators that made us in they're image, who came down in the wheels within wheels(as discribed in the book of Ezekiel) are awaiting a conciousness shift on a mass scale to be Universal Lawfully allowed to interact with us in the 4th dimension. The conciousness shift is in motion and channellers are predicting the return of our creator Gods in 2011. I believe this explanation, and the more you look into it the more real it becomes.

Dave-So

" who is Jesus then"

From what Ive heard recently, Jesus was from a prominent hebrew family and the learned the methods of energy transmutaion where though is made into matter. he was teaching the people in his community these methods and practices which empowered them as co-creators and threatened the reign of the Roman catholic control.

He was flogged in the streets and his sister was crucified. He was a man who achieved a conciousness connection with the ascension grid of the 5th dimension, and was built up to an iconic unachievable level that man cannot identify with, as a way to destroy his teachings through the ultimate fame. Read the Dead Sea scrolls to know the true teachings of Jasua ( or Jesus). Its not what is in the King James Bible.

One last thing...To my equal peers who love to render with Technology harvested from Star people crafts- 3D...yes it was..Bob Lazar can clarify this.

Please dont buy into this kind of fearmongering propaganda to scare you when you start seeing spacecraft entering from the sky in mass landings here shortly.

Battle: Los Angeles - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORb3zC8z94w&feature=player_embedded

Skyline - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDJfue-Aanw

This is an attempt of a self destrucing empire of power to remain in mind control over its sheeple while the are ascending to a higher dimensional existence with our planet, being assisted by the same Star people who are to be entering the atmoshpere in large crafts. The bad scary monter aliens have been on our planet manipulating our society for 5,327 years in stealth secracy.

well, i can believe the spinning wheel driving co-creators before the fact there is one god over all this.

I've always felt we were created by "aliens", or brought here.

God and Jesus are a figment of the human imagination period ! No proof what so ever !

Watch zeitgeist  !!! its not the answer but it offers something many dont want to belive or even contemplate.

Aliens accepting a human founded story !? na ;p

I didn't know jesus had a sister, but contemporary accounts by josephus et al. indicate jesus existed.  if he had a sister and their dad was a carpenter, that wouldn't actually be a prominent occupation AFAIK.  maybe it was in those days.   nowadays around here most of the carpenters are immigrants from mexico because it pays so poorly.  they get hassled by "la migra" and the cops all the time.  maybe jesus, his sister and their dad were living in the same conditions.

Dave-So

"well, i can believe the spinning wheel driving co-creators before the fact there is one god over all this"

Well, its kind of both from what I can gather. God is a collective being operating on the highest deminsional frequency of pure unconditional love.  Channelled messages from star beings say that not even they have the capacity to fully understand what the source creator is or how it functions as they are on a path of spiritual growth as well. They are just a few steps ahead of us in the grand vision of source unity.

The work of Ken Klein is fantastic. it points out some misunderstood concepts in religion. one fascinating verse in the hebrew bible states the "we are to become the planters of the heavens", co-creators in the emerging universe to come. Working in harmony with the ones driving the wheels that planted us. Its level 2 of our exisence, or phaze 1 beings in the Galactic Federation of Light.

LLoyed Pye is another one who has pointed out all of the genetic failures in the Human Gnome coding clearly showing evidence of manipulation. The owner of the Star Child Skull - recent DNA tests show its Extra Terrestrial material or of elements not found in our solar system.

Ive been researching this stuff for the past 3 years obsessively. Some believe this is a grand deception by the shadow government illuminati to eliminate 80% of the world's population..BS... I have first hand experience from Mt. Shasta where I photographed light ships parked on the side of the Mountain and talked with advanced DNA (human looking, but weren't human by any measure) beings.

Quote - are not humans inherently good? we need an alien to step up and answer the question ..Are you spiritual or not?

There are good humans and there are bad ones.  Humanity though as a whole often times gets millions of its own people killed whenever liberals strive for INGSOC.  People that envy China and Russia and North Korea and Iran and nearly all of the Middle East and most of Africa are all on the wrong side of history.  Union and government run schools have a lot to do with this problem.

It's funny how the secularists go after christians and do everything they can to remove God from everything.  Yet whenever there's the chance to play God, secularists are always the first in line to do so.

Aaaand here come the extremist politics out from under the cloak of religion.... Took 13 pages, though. That -is- impressive around here.....

So an asteroid hits the Earth and everyone and everthing is blown to smithereens and after a gazillion years life starts again.

If humans evolve again they won't know about Jesus either; but I expect they'll invent their own Creator to explain life ...

Quote - If humans evolve again they won't know about Jesus either; but I expect they'll invent their own Creator to explain life ...

Of course they will. Our ancestors did it once, so the next generation will do it again. Maybe the next time they'll have a little more consistency and a little less fear factor. ;)

I'm surprised this thread is still going on. I haven't had an email notice in weeks and forgot all about it.

I dunno if we could have another guy analogous to jesus nowadays.  it would be like:

• Dad: Jess, go and rake the leaves, and clean up yer room!  it's time to do yer chores!
• Jess: sorry, pal, but I must be about my father's work.  I'm goin' down to the mall to enlighten my bro-hams.  oh, yeah, and gimme 300 bucks for a new iphone.

but I checked out "ingsoc".  I say we break out the "victory gin" to celebrate how civil this thread has been.  make mine a double.

"I say we break out the "victory gin" to celebrate how civil this thread has been.  make mine a double."

hahaha, I think people are starting to wake up to the fact that just because I believe something that you don't doesnt mean I should want to chop off your head and committ genocide on your people in the name of my God to cleanse the Earth of evil.

Pour me a shot as well