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Bryce F.A.Q (Last Updated: 2024 Oct 30 3:44 am)
Subject: I'm on a mission - care to join?
I am in total agreement with the quid pro quo situation; ergo you pat my back and I'll rub yours. Years ago on a now defunct website I had one person that gushed over everything I posted; good or bad. It got to the point of embarrasment.
Unfortunately if someone posts a compliment it becomes nearly incumbent on the artist to visit the gallery of the poster and respond in kind. So where do you draw the line? There seems to be few sites that are in the middleground.
Might add that is obvious for your work to be constantly ranked highly it must contain at least one half clad bimbo holding a weapon that most men would find difficult to wield. Where is the interest, the humor, the attention to detail that is the hallmark of real art? Why have the standards plummeted? I see little imagination or inventiveness that was the hallmark of Brycers in the days of the Carpinteria group, or for that matter much of society. Pity.
Babes with big swords or guns aren't art? Next you'll be saying the same about spheres over water!
"I am disgustipated!" -Popeye
This is not my "second childhood". I'm not finished with the first one yet.
Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana.
"I'd like to die peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather....not screaming in terror like the passengers on his bus." - Jack Handy
Seriously, I comment on what I think is excellent, and ignore the rest. I don't think you can ever win the hearts and minds of those who think that unearned praise and ratings are good things. And I personally can't fathom how one can rate art. "This Dali is a 10 and this Escher is a 9.5."
Really?
That said, Willie, you know I have always had the utmost respect for the opinions of you and all those who call themselves members of this Forum.
Never keep silent when you have something to say.
-John
This is not my "second childhood". I'm not finished with the first one yet.
Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana.
"I'd like to die peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather....not screaming in terror like the passengers on his bus." - Jack Handy
Agree with you willie. I never go to the most viewed/most commented/highest rated galleries any more because the calibre of images at the tops of these galleries is not worth viewing. It's more of a popularity contest full of mindless comments and meaningless ratings.
Generally I view the what's new gallery and only click on thumbnail images that look promising or an artist that I have viewed in the past and know that their image is worth the time. This practice for the most part leaves out the daily image posters who's images are generally ill conceived, poorly and too guickly executed and just plain boring seen it a million times kind of images.
And woe-to-me if I should happen to view an image posted by a "Comment Club" member and make an honest and fair critique of their image, as other comment club members after me will surely ridicule my words and then make a trip to one of my images and leave nasty comments of their own on my work.
I hear you... when I post one of my music productions (other sites), and renders here, I can spot, canned fake comments and I dont know why people bother doing that.
I wanna see comments like "Great effort, I would recommend you change the lighting this way, because...."
I only comment and rate on images that I can see time and effort was put into and overall looks good to me. If I see an image that you can tell they just got into 3D or whatever, I ignore it and will comment in the future when they start getting good at it.
I dont find myself compeled to comment back on someone who has left a comment on my art, I will check to see what kind of art the commenter has, and If I like what I see I will comment back and rate.
In regards to the Gallery and what is featured, it is hard to ingore that it is Poser heavy, and this is nothing new, I've seen heated topics regarding the subject many years ago in these forums.
Personaly, I dont care for poser renders, there are very good ones out there, but the majority is simply buy content, pose and render, and I dont know if you realise, that there is a big market of adult websites that feature adult images that you can clearly tell were done in poser.
Now on the topic of rating/comments, I noticed the time of day also seems to have an influence on how many comments/votes you get.
Also the commenting on Pal's thing is true, I've seen tons of comments on images and wondered, if something was wrong with my eyes, because what I was seeing, and what the comments were didnt match.
Well I haven't been scolded yet. Things can be done politely. I need to add that it is one thing to comment but it puts it entirely into a different realm when a 5 star rating is given along with the comments when it is sometimes poop.
I have already begun to get "added to my favorite artist" ebots from some of those I have commented seriously about. I am not going to be a "buddy".
I don't put things in Bryce gallery often because most of what I do doesn't satisfy me. I still Bryce quite often but I've become more critical of my own stuff. When I do post, I expect valid comments and especially constructive ones.
My note to those I may be stepping on toes or lurking this thread: My opinion is if your are producing newbie type images after 5 years of daily posting and getting placed in the "most commented" and "highest rating" catagories then you should step back and soul search a bit. If you fall in that catagory and are comfortable with it, then I can be only one small voice to contend with.
Again----- Please post what your opinions are to this thread. If I am wrong, please tell me so. If you agree with my approach, encourage me. Mods, if I am in trouble, scold me here or via IM.
A recent complaint about one of my pieces on Elfwood was part of the image was too dark to see detail. The area in question was black. I would be loathe to post without allowing comments but that is under consideration. It is becoming apparent to keep a positive image and avoid the wrath of the puritanical and false praise of the undereducated, posting by type and location may become a necessity; possibly under a pseudonym. It's either that or put everything on Deviant and the rabble be damned!
I guess I owe everyone an explanation why I'm on this rant. The photography forum staff picks a list of photos they find noteworthy every week. A couple weeks ago when they posted their picks, I looked at them. One of the photos had not received a single comment all week but another shot by one of the clique had the standard comments, ratings, favorites. Cliquish followings hadn't even noticed an excellent photo under their nose.
Keep in mind I am not trying to act as a self-appointed, know-it-all art critic. I am more perplexed that there are folks that take a blurry photo of a bug in a ditch, post it and get 40 comments, 40 5star ratings and 25 favorites within hours of the post. I'm not an expert but I can see a blurry bug in a ditch isn't worthy of eventually making it to the gallery's best or most. I state my case.
There is a member who frequently post in the Bryce gallery who is more a poet than 3d artist. Their images are fairly simple to create but it is more a visual refection of the poetic narrative. It is remarkable the number of comments from the regular gang are "great lighting and reflections", "remarkable Bryce work", etc... It seems it doesn't matter a little ding dang other than it was the next on the "what's new" list to write something about then on to the next hoping it will buy them a return favor. At least it seems that way to me anyway.
Yes, as Bobby said "I'm tilting at windmills".
Willie, I think you are perhaps unaware of the recent rise in popularity of the "blurry bug in a ditch" school of photography.
:b_grin:
This is not my "second childhood". I'm not finished with the first one yet.
Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana.
"I'd like to die peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather....not screaming in terror like the passengers on his bus." - Jack Handy
Hell....I see blurry bugs in ditches all around my house. Sometimes I even see them in my bathtub, in dark dirty corners and under my bed. Sometimes not only bugs, but everything else is blurry too...especially when I forget to put my glasses on in the morning.
I usually visit the whats new gallery once a day and it usually takes me 20 pages to get to the place where I came in the day before. Thats 12 images per page and 20 pages which is 240 images total and in those 20 pages I am lucky to find maybe 10 images that are worth taking a look at. The rest are images posted by the daily image posters (some people even post 3 images every day!) or the really moronic waste of time images like the big breast of the day/week kind of thing.
"the big breast of the day/week kind of thing"
ROFLMAO! Thanks for making my day! Mammary addiction is a serious health problem not to be taken lightly! Ranks up there with blurry bugs, squirrels in birdfeeders and ducks in the water too small to be seen clearly. "Oh look; I took a picture of a duck". "Now I can be a wildlife photographer". Major barfaroonies all.
Views: 50
Views Today: 50
Views in Last 45 Days: 50
Full-size Views: 2
Comments: 34
Favorites: 14
Ratings: 27
(average 5.0000)
What do these stats tell you? Clue: only 2 full size views but 27 five star ratings and 14 favorites and the posting is only 10 hours old. For a so-so photo.
This will be repeated tomorrow and the next day and the next...,
I gave it my best; too tired to swat anymore windmills.
Thread closed as far as I'm concerned.
Those stats tell me that the image poster is probably nothing beyond a weekend hobbyist with a cell phone that takes photos and nothing more. They have managed to become a member of the comment club which is nothing more than a social clique here on Rendo.
The galleries here are so cluttered with trivial postings like the one you pointed out and this has caused serious artists and others in professional arts to think of this site as nothing more than a hobbyist website.
Okay, I said I was finished and I am finished my rant. Now it is time for me to reflect on what I have learned.
Perhaps I was wrong to try to mold the site to how I want it to go. I realize now that if we were all sitting in a giant room primarily enclosing art students and art masters there would probably circles of people listening and talking about Poser, Bryce, Photography, Terragen, Vue, etc... Within those circles of interest may or may not be smaller groups. No matter the size there is sharing of their art and experiences. When a student holds up their latest work all in the circle applaud and say words of encouragement or just clap and say "yayy!" THIS IS COMMUNITY OF LIKE INTERESTED PEOPLE ENCOURAGING EACH OTHER.
Another big room has the same type arrangement but students have the ability to grade the other images on their level of appeal and use of the chosen medium. Here they will put the best products on the wall for all to admire. This is would qualify more a school and gallery.
In conclusion both are good and have their place. Renderosity needs to decide which it wants to be. It is difficult to be both. If it is to be a community that is great, fantastic actually. If it wants to put up displays of the best in catagories that is great also but it can't be done based on amount of applause from a community based circle.
Perhaps I was wrong to wish it one way and not the other. Forgive me friends here in the forum. You are my community and some applauded when I spoke and some were polite not to. I consider you all friends.
Willie
The weird thing i think is that people actually like bad art. It's just like when I'm allways surpised that people don't like my kind of music, but instead like what I in my head find is clearly BAD music. I think you rasied some very good points Willie. And a sivil disdussion like this never hurt anyone. Methinks:closedeyes:
I've been at this for over ten years and at first it was about imagination and quality. Slowly it turned into a popularity contest. Nowadays it doesn't matter how much time, effort or money goes into an image as the popular can post whatever they want and get more hits and comments. Its just not worth it to even bother posting on some sites........
I started reading it all and I realize that I have more time than talent. Sure I'm a hobbyist ....
I never submit nor post comments in the gallery, I'm just not qualified to do so. Either I like it or not but therefore it's not bad art, just a different interpretation.
And yes, this is a great community !
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I know art is in the eye of the beholder.
I know some folks have more time and talent.
But I wish more people would look at what they post in the galleries with a self-critical eye and realize what a disservice it is to viewers to copy/paste flattering remarks all over the place and spoil themselves basking in returned favors from those mutually seeking to be exalted -- exalted not by their work but by their loyalty to daily clicking "add to favorites", "5 star rating" within said groups.
It has skewd the art charts, the "most viewed", "most commented" and "best ratings" in a number of galleries to the point those catagories are no longer a trigger to finding good art and talent.
That is harmful to this wonderful site, in my opinion.
I am on a mission to politely comment on art and photographs that could be better if those folks would simply try harder at what they are producing and spend less time trolling to keep status.
A couple years ago, one of those persons entered a forum challenge here with a totally irrelevent image and got oodles of votes from pals who had never came to the forums before or since. After the voting was done, several forum members POLITELY responded that this behavior was not appreciated here.
So, I am on a mission to politely critique in the galleries what I find good and also what I find not so good.
Anyone want to join me?
Flame me if you wish, agree with me if you wish, join me if you wish, do nothing if you wish. (Willie now stepping of soap box and putting on fireproof suit)