Quote - Folks, Please don't Feed the Troll...

Your right - bowing out.

I usually just lurk here, but i noticed a few promos like that on the market place too.

Without feeding the troll a honest question.

Is there any rule against shooting the vendor a message and asking for a full nude picture if it's not supplied in the promo ?

If I'm buying a character set and the whole of the skin is not shown in a render, then I don't buy it.

But......

I don't go off on one due to it.

Rendo has it's rules, vendors follow those rules, but.......

Rendo does not compell a vendor to do various things, that's up to the vendor to show their product in the best way they can.

If the vendor does not supply a promo fo the desired skin, then it's not Rendos fault, it's the vendors.

As to viewing the site during breaks etc. Most companies have software installed tha t monitors what the staff are viewing. Now in my break time I may want to check out a MR skin that has all options shown. The software is not human, all it knows is that X amount of images have been viewed and the mod of that software can  then pass on that info to the higher ups.

To myslef, I think  there is nothing wrong with the human body, but.....

I have to follow the rules of the sites I visit. I don't own those sites, I have no way of changing their policies, so why worry about something that is out of my control.

All the best.

Great Uncle LROG

Is there any rule against shooting the vendor a message and asking for a full nude picture if it's not supplied in the promo ?

Nope, no rule at all, and most vendors would probably send one.

If I have a problem with something, I send a pm to the vendor to double check.

Sometimes it does not say you can use certain things for freebies, so as I make freebies, I double check.

All the best.

Great Uncle LROG

Quote - Is there any rule against shooting the vendor a message and asking for a full nude picture if it's not supplied in the promo ?

Nope, no rule at all, and most vendors would probably send one.

If I have a problem with something, I send a pm to the vendor to double check.

Sometimes it does not say you can use certain things for freebies, so as I make freebies, I double check.

All the best.

Great Uncle LROG

Seems to be the way to go about it then, thanks :D

Unless this type of thing honestly is work related, people at work should not be doing anything but work until break time.  What they can do on break should be covered by employer guidelines.

Like many aspects of my Life(tm), my content selection process has three parts.  If all three are present, I add the item to my Wishlist/Runtime.  I call the filters F3:  Face, Figure, and Finances.

F1)  If a humanoid toon has an ugly face, I avoid it; if it is attractive, I investigate.

F2)  If it has an unimpressive body, I avoid it. For a vendor not to show a full body image just sends me to the competition.

F3)  If it is priced reasonably and is not too similar to something I already have, I add it to my Wishlist and buy the item when I have need and cash.

Quote - > Quote - Isn't Rendo in the 'Bible Belt" or at the very least "conservative" America?

 

Ok I understand you're kidding, but seriously now. Renderosity is becoming more prudish like Daz by the day.

When buying skins/ characters one of the few points of difference for me between Daz and Renderosity was that I could actually see what I'm buying at Renderosity. Now that Renderosity is playing the same "politically correctness" game in trying to immitate Daz more and more, what is the point of coming here? That was one of the few good points about Renderosity. It's quite sad actually, because I do like Renderosity and I like the new design, but that is a move for the worse and won't in any way benefit Renderosity.

Since there is no more choice people will be inclined to go directly to the source. I'm not saying this out of spite, it's simple logic for those that don't have a history with Renderosity.

If I had to guess, all the vendors you are complaining about are not under the RPublishing brand.  While Rendo can ask for certain types of promos, I don't acutally think under US law they can compel a vendor to produce them. 

In the end, if you don't like what you see, don't buy it.  Simple as that.  Some vendors may not realize customers are unhappy if they don't offer a nude preview.  Before ranting, did you ever consider site mailing a vendor and politely expressing you view. 

I'm not sure what you mean by the last statement.  Where is there no more choice?  You can purchase from Rendo, RDNA, DAZ, and any number of independent sites.  Directly to what source? 

Has DAZ ever shown genitals  ?

Yes, when they had artzone they posted renders over there.

Quote - Sorry if this is not in the right forum. Please advise.

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YES it factors into my buying decision to see the ENTIRE skin texture!! and compare vs other characters?

WHAT IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE!!??

Are we really that prudish and insecure about being human?? YES women have breasts!! YES men have penises!! Grow up!!! Why are we so afraid of sexualizing everything and hide natural human appearance in shame? Is everyone really that grossed out by nude nipples or is policital correctness completely out of control?? It's aweful childish behavior!

Is this something that Renderosity is pushing for or is this the vendors taking action by themselves? Could I please get some comments from vendors engaging in this practice? Renderosity's warning signs are ludicrous as well, omg nude nipple are going to scar you for life but violently bleeding decaying zombies are totally fine!

This trend is disturbing and disgusting and that's why I hate browing Daz because of their freaking childish behavior and now Renderosity too.

Sorry about my rant, but I'm NOT ashamed to talk about this. Thank you! Please vendors comment!

oh no you brought up the forbidden topic. >.<

the "nudity" thing...there once was a time...that it was not hidden by "maturity" thumbnails etc...a time when nudity was OK here in rendo. Then the dark times came...and now, you have to be WARNED that you may see a nipple or a penis. before you can see such.

a hard time indeed.....

Quote - Some object strongly to nudity on religious grounds (and I'm not going to get into that can of worms). Some object because it embarrasses them. Some do not want their children to see it too early or at all, which was as I recall one of the arguments for banning nudity in thumbnails in the gallery.

But, also as I recall, its part of the business model that Rendo had to adopt if they wanted to have Paypal purchasing as part of the payment process. Paypal almost refused because they took a look at the store and saw all sorts of nudity in the thumbnails of products and demo images. So Rendo had to make new rules about thumbnails and demo images in order to satisfy Paypal. To Paypal, nudity equals pornography and they do not want that image to damage their image. So, no nudity in store thumbnails, and only one demo image can show the character nude. We may not agree with Paypal's stance, but if the site wanted Paypal to be part of their payment set then they had to tow the line. My personal belief on why some vendors are skipping the nude demo page is because they are being extremely cautious about the rules because I believe I read somewhere that Paypal does periodically check the sites they agree to handle purchasing for. I do not know if that's absolutely true or not, but I believe that might be why some vendors are doing this.

Personally I'm not offended at all by male or female nudity. I was raised in a household that valued archaeology (which I'd be right now if I could handle extremes of temperature). And that meant nude images all the way from paleo figurines, Egyptian murals, and of course, all those Greek bronze statues! But there are as many opinions on this subject as there are people visiting this site.

So your answer--people vary on what they think about nudity, but on this site and in the marketplace, it's probably primarily a business model decision. If you're interested in a character/texture set from a vendor and they don't display a nude demo, then message them politely and they may either link to one or email you one. I'm also creating a character/texture package for the market place. I will have one full body nude image in my demos. But in the morph thumbnails I just finished rendering, I decided to put a bikini bottom on the body image. I didn't put a top on her, but I did split the difference and put bottoms on her because I have read complaints about nudity in people's runtime library windows.

appreciate a reasoned response, I hold the view that religious action can only be supported as far as it does not violate secular moral values

If religious views propagate the notion that gay behavior is an abomination, that can not be supported

if there is no harm in nudity, religious views to the contrary must not be tolerated

appreciate a reasoned response, I hold the view that religious action can only be supported as far as it does not violate secular moral values

If religious views propagate the notion that gay behavior is an abomination, that can not be supported

if there is no harm in nudity, religious views to the contrary must not be tolerated

Personal intolerance must be tolerated. To do otherwise would be intolerant and that would be intolerable.

Quote - > Quote - Nobody has answered the fundamental question as to what is actually wrong with nudity? Please somebody tell me how it is either evil, damaging to society, bad in any shape or form, degrading perhaps, exploitative, disgusting, obscene... in short harmful?? Please anyone? Perhaps a question Renderosity can't even answer in a conquest to cleanse their site of a "problem" that doesn't exist.

Until this question is answered in a satisfactory manner, I stand firm on my position.

How old are you? Do you honestly think that huffing and puffing on the poser forum is going to get your 'question ... answered in a satisfactory manner'?

Do you walk around supermarkets naked? If not, I assume it's because because you are "prudish and insecure about being human" or "hiding natural human appearance in shame" or "grossed out by nude nipples".

You may have noticed that different societies (and different groups within them) have different attitudes towards nudity. Something which is acceptable on a beach in the south of France could get you arrested in Florida. Something which is acceptable in Florida could get you arrested in some Middle Eastern countries. Something which I think is perfectly fine would shock my grandmother.

How you feel about nudity depends on your religious background, your nationality, how old you are, the era in which you grew up, how well travelled you are etc, etc, etc. So there is no single answer to "What is wrong with nudity?"

You seriously hadn't figured this out?

Rendo is a global internet company, they play safe and avoid offending the most easily offended of their customers and business partners. Some merchants might be taking that practice a bit further, or they might be afraid of the hassle resulting from falling foul of Rendo's rules.

yes I agree that different cultures deal with nudity differently, however that says nothing about whether nudity is harmful or not, unless you disagree that harm is the deciding factor

as sombody mentioned earlier to respect all cultures would mean we'd have to ban kissing as well, how much support would that get?

regarding your nude in public comment, gays in africa may be ashamed to be seen in public, does that make being gay wrong? I'm not saying everybody should walk around nude in public, but I think it's accepatble to tolerate nudity with reasonable warning, which rendosirty have done in the past, but now seem to want to stamp out

of course rendersoity can do what they like, but to me it seems like (since it used to be ok) that this is happening out unreasonable political correctness not a sound argument

and it hampers the buying experience for me as a customer here and possibly many other who don't necessarily like talking about it

Okay, I've tried to explain this. Others have tried to explain this. You wanted a vendor's answer. I have been a vendor here off and on since Renderosity started their store. I am working on a V4 character/texture package as I type this.

In order for Rendo to have Paypal as part of their purchasing system, they had to inact certain rules regarding nude images. No store thumbnails may contain nudity. One full body nude promo image is allowed. The exceptions of course are texture sets for child characters where nudity is not allowed at all. It is up to the individual vendor as to what they compose for their demo images and if they want to include a full body nude or not. I am not aware of any change to this by the store admins. I do know that some vendors have chosen not to include a nude image in their demos. If you are interested in a character/texture set from a vendor who does not include a full body nude demo then site mail them and ask if you can see on to help you in your buying decision.

As far as I know, DAZ has not had nude demo images on their site in ages, if ever. They have tried very hard to make their site a "family friendly site", even to the point that there was A LOT of debate and input from buyers on whether or not M4 was even going to have a conforming genital figure or not. He almost went to market without one at all. I was one of those who said they would not buy M4 if he was not anatomically correct. So, they did release him with genitals. However the independant maker of Texture Converter decided (and rather strongly), not to include in their utility the ability to convert the genital map from M3 to M4. Not something I was happy about, or a lot of other people either, but that did not change that vendor's opinion that the only reason someone would want a male genital map is to make Porn.

Some people don't see anything at all wrong with nudity and other people see everything wrong with nudity and equate it with pornography. These online stores must walk a tightrope between these opinions, the laws in various states of the US, and stay in business and hopefully make a profit.