Best of luck with the use of .pmd file format. I know it has a technical excellence on paper but in practice I've had a lot of the products I've purchased that use them come with at least one broken/dead morph dial and my own file saves using the .pmd has not had much more success with it from Poser 7 thru Poser Pro2012 on three different computers with diffrent versions of Windows OS. I guess it's like all things, what is supposed to happen on paper isn't always the way it works out in the real world. I'm not going to ask you to change it, it'd just FUBAR you're workflow to release but I thought I should share my own experience with .pmd files for future reference worthless as my experience/opinion may be.

Quote - > Quote - This sounds very promising. 

But a weight-mapped figure that works natively in both DS and Poser?  Is that really possible?

I think that may mean there is a Poser version and a DS version ;). Not one version for both, since they're not really compatible formats :)

Laurie

It is possible only in the broadest terms.  You can make a Poser version that "sort of" works in DAZ (since DS can technically read .cr2 figures) or you can make a DAZ version with DSON support files for Poser (and we all know DSON has some shortcomings).  Unless they did two native versions, one duf and one cr2, there can't be full cross-platform support.  And yes, that means clothing intercompatibility has similar issues.

Though if Poser users didn't choose to make GNDA and Tyler their main figures, I don't see much chance of this bagging that spot.  Isn't the refusal to switch away from V4M4 driven by 1. people not upgrading to weight-map compatible Poser versions and 2. people not wanting to abandon their large wardrobes for those figures?  This can't realistically address either of those unless it comes with a heckuva lot of cheap clothes out of the gate.

I'll be watching to see what happens. ;)

OMG YOU POST TOO MUCH! I can't keep up BWAHAHAHAAH!

I was gonna promise a quick suit mesh, but they've got it covered. Wee!

Joe, how long till we get HCS for Dawn? :D

mylemonblue, I used .pmd's for my Antonia morphs. They are confusing at first, but much less than initial learning to make injection poses - after you know what to look for, and having the right tools, .pmd files are great to work with, IMHO.

It is possible only in the broadest terms.  You can make a Poser version that "sort of" works in DAZ (since DS can technically read .cr2 figures) or you can make a DAZ version with DSON support files for Poser (and we all know DSON has some shortcomings).  Unless they did two native versions, one duf and one cr2, there can't be full cross-platform support.  And yes, that means clothing intercompatibility has similar issues.

Though if Poser users didn't choose to make GNDA and Tyler their main figures, I don't see much chance of this bagging that spot.  Isn't the refusal to switch away from V4M4 driven by 1. people not upgrading to weight-map compatible Poser versions and 2. people not wanting to abandon their large wardrobes for those figures?  This can't realistically address either of those unless it comes with a heckuva lot of cheap clothes out of the gate.

I'll be watching to see what happens. ;)

You may have a point but with Poser 2014 and the fitting room there is an easy way to provide clothing.   Yes I know that still means people have to upgrade but the other impact Poser 10/2014 will have is to drive down the price of Poser 9/2012 and make weight mapping more afforadable for some.  In addition, if Dawn is really good it adds another reason to upgrade.

Some people can't afford to and that will always be the case and that is the same for all new figures.  Only time will tell.

Here's the answer for your questions around polygon count:

Total Vertices:39096
Total Triangles:1702
Total Quads:37624
Total Faces:39326

Dawn has the following material surfaces:

Cornea
Eyes
Iris
Lacrimal
Pupil
Gums
InnerMouth
Teeth
Tongue
Face
Lips
Arms
Legs
Body
Eyelashes
Eyelashes_Large
Fingernails
Toenails

And has her UV's split across 8 templates files. Her face is on its own map, then arms and hands, then legs and feet, and torso, with additional templates for nails, lashes, inner mouth and teeth, and eyes.

I want to know about body morphs expansion packs. What and when? To me that's the real meat.

I think two digits are missing from your triangle count. It should be close to double the quad count.

Quote - I want to know about body morphs expansion packs. What and when? To me that's the real meat.

I want to know it too, but for different reasons: If they aren't already working on that, I'd be thrilled to be allowed to, specially if that meant working in the team for it.

Quote - It is possible only in the broadest terms.  You can make a Poser version that "sort of" works in DAZ (since DS can technically read .cr2 figures) or you can make a DAZ version with DSON support files for Poser (and we all know DSON has some shortcomings).  Unless they did two native versions, one duf and one cr2, there can't be full cross-platform support.  And yes, that means clothing intercompatibility has similar issues.

Remember that Studio wiill export a weight mapped cr2.  I've done it with both Genesis and Genesis 2, and exported Genesis conforming clothing works too.  As I understand it, Dawn is rigged in Studio and exported as Poser figure, so there is indeed a cr2 and duf version...

Quote - > Quote - I want to know about body morphs expansion packs. What and when? To me that's the real meat.

I want to know it too, but for different reasons: If they aren't already working on that, I'd be thrilled to be allowed to, specially if that meant working in the team for it.

Did you send Steve Kondris an email? 

Quote - > Quote - Okay, so I decided to prepare a list of the artists who are either involved directly with the project at HiveWire3D or who have indicated somewhere in this very long thread that they would be willing to support Dawn in their stores.

I for one am most definitely interested in supporting Dawn.  Like everyone else, I am very excited about the possibilities!  :-)

This is so awesome! I will add you to the list and certainly your stuff  is bound to be on my personal wishlist when you make it.

Quote - While I am new as a vendor, I will be supporting Dawn too when she is released.  I am itching to start modeling for her.

On a completely different tangent...  It is so nice to see people collaborating and discussing a new figure without the near bloodshed that seems to have become so much of a part of threads in the last couple of years... 

Cariad

I am adding your name to the list. Your retro-bikini is cute by the way.

Quote - Cornea
Eyes
Iris
Lacrimal
Pupil
Gums
InnerMouth
Teeth
Tongue
Face
Lips
Arms
Legs
Body
Eyelashes
Eyelashes_Large
Fingernails
Toenails

Um, too few material zones for me -_- Arms and legs especially - so it is just full arm with no separate material zones for hands and shoulders?

Quote - > Quote - I want to know about body morphs expansion packs. What and when? To me that's the real meat.

I want to know it too, but for different reasons: If they aren't already working on that, I'd be thrilled to be allowed to, specially if that meant working in the team for it.

Yes, that too. I'm dreaming up anatomical expansion packs by the minute.

Quote -
Though if Poser users didn't choose to make GNDA and Tyler their main figures, I don't see much chance of this bagging that spot.  Isn't the refusal to switch away from V4M4 driven by 1. people not upgrading to weight-map compatible Poser versions and 2. people not wanting to abandon their large wardrobes for those figures?  This can't realistically address either of those unless it comes with a heckuva lot of cheap clothes out of the gate.

I'll be watching to see what happens. ;)

Interesting point Sickle. Which leads me to a question about Dawn.

Does Dawn come with any autofit clones or are there any plans top create them?

thanks

Pen

Quote - Um, too few material zones for me -_- Arms and legs especially - so it is just full arm with no separate material zones for hands and shoulders?

hmmm... yes, actually, let me double-check what I was pulling that from and get back to you, sorry. :/

Finally caught up with you folks!!!!

Just been doing some catch up through the thread, lots of questions asked in 19 pages!! Lol.

I'll keep a record from now on to make things easier.

Some really good stuff has come through with the questions, keep asking, I know the HiveWire3D team are watching and listening to what you all ask them.

All the best.

Great Uncle LROG

Quote - ...2. people not wanting to abandon their large wardrobes for those figures?  This can't realistically address either of those unless it comes with a heckuva lot of cheap clothes out of the gate.

I'll be watching to see what happens. ;)

Doesn't the new poser have a feature that allows you to use any clothing on any character?

Quote -  

AetherDream, I'd like to be included in your list of support for free poses.  I've been doing pose sets for a good while, available at this ShareCG gallery link:  http://www.sharecg.com/pf/skylab

I'm very excited about what's happening, so it will be a pleasure to participate.

 

~skylab   :)

 

Pose sets are wonderful! Your name will be on the next update.

I'll explain what I mean: sometimes I have a second skin (say, an armor-like bodysuit or chainmail shader) which I can apply to the core figure. But I usually need hands/feet to have regular skin. In V4/Genesis it was easy to do by just not applying shader to hands/feet material zone, without editing second skin texture or working with polygon selector. Adding material zone is an easy thing and I can do it myself but I'd much prefer for original Dawn to have those zones already.

autofit clones... O yes, that would be nice

Now I have to go back a few pages and read up on posts!!! Lol.

All the best.

Great Uncle LROG

Quote - I'll explain what I mean: sometimes I have a second skin (say, an armor-like bodysuit or chainmail shader) which I can apply to the core figure. But I usually need hands/feet to have regular skin. In V4/Genesis it was easy to do by just not applying shader to hands/feet material zone, without editing second skin texture or working with polygon selector. Adding material zone is an easy thing and I can do it myself but I'd much prefer for original Dawn to have those zones already.

oh, yeah, I totally understand. I'm sure there are more and I must've just not got the full list. 

Hi Kattey, yep I know what your on about, with a second skin, you can do various lengths for pants etc. Then do MAT files etc. to put on those options.

Same with the arms, full sleeve, half, short etc.

Mix and match is fun.

All the best.

Great Uncle LROG

Quote - I think two digits are missing from your triangle count. It should be close to double the quad count.

i take those numbers to signal that it's a mix of quads and tris

About the Vickies and Material zones.

It's extremely aggravating to copy paste a body mat into 20 different zones on a body when you do your own body mats and every time you change and customize ones you've purchased which is almost always.

Okay, just something to make it easier for me to keep a record of questionsfeatures, could posters please put those parts of your text in a different colour than the normal white.

The reason is, it's easier to catch my eye and pick them out.

A nice bold yellow would do.

It comes in handy first thing when I switch on.

All the best.

Great Uncle LROG

Shaderworks has a utility for changing materials very easily:-

I'll drop you a PM as I don't think we can post a link to paid for products here.

I will say it does make things a lot easier.

The other ones I use all the time are MATWriter Panel and Thumbnail Designer by Netherworks.

All the best.

Great Uncle LROG

Quote - > Quote - I think two digits are missing from your triangle count. It should be close to double the quad count.

i take those numbers to signal that it's a mix of quads and tris

Wouldn't that be a problem?  Someone said for SubD to work meshes should be 100% quads.

So no genitals then according to fb? That for the male version too?

Ah well - looks like Vicky and Mike will continue to reign as the supreme humanoids in my runtime for some time yet then.... :biggrin:

Not from HiveWire3D, but no doubt other sites may feature what you require.

All the best.

Great Uncle LROG

:surfaces briefly from ocean of work:

Can't have a new figure without some faerie clothes and wings :)

:dives back in pixel sea:

I had an idea that Mada would be appearing but didn't want to jinx it. LOL.

All the best.

Great Uncle LROG

So, we have Sara and Mada, that just leaves a certain person missing.......

All the best.

Great Uncle LROG

Quote - Not from HiveWire3D, but no doubt other sites may feature what you require.

All the best.

Great Uncle LROG

Hehe. No thanks. Complete or not at all for me. But hey, V4 has plenty of life in her yet. That girl just keeps on fighting her corner against all newcomers. ;)

I do hope that the male figure will have "nads". Can use a fig leaf for promo images to keep it clean. If you go the conforming figure route for them, then I'd just render promo images without it conformed but the texture would be in the product package. I'm sure an independant artist could come with a 'feminine' morph for Dawn. Maybe put that out on ShareCG. I've got several of those morphs for V4. I don't always use it when doing Pinups, but I do do nudes of both male and female figures.

I am very glad to see that the initial offering will include a Merchant Resource skin! My mouse hand is so itchy to start working with a different map than V4's. However, I wish so very much for a universal texture conversion utility! I have quite a few base skins for V4 and I've got several character skins now that I was testing for V4. It would be so nice if I could take those skins and convert them to use on other figure (Dawn, Michelle, Anastasia), with a few clicks of my mouse button.

Quote - > Quote - I think two digits are missing from your triangle count. It should be close to double the quad count.

i take those numbers to signal that it's a mix of quads and tris

Could be.

I'm so used to seeing quads included in a triangle count, as a lot of programs treat them as two tri's with a hidden edge. Max, maya, game engines etc..

Quote - About the Vickies and Material zones.

It's extremely aggravating to copy paste a body mat into 20 different zones on a body when you do your own body mats and every time you change and customize ones you've purchased which is almost always.

 

Yeah, im not a big fan of all the v4 mat zones... although, i can see how people may prefer them over transmaps.

Quote - > Quote - > Quote - I think two digits are missing from your triangle count. It should be close to double the quad count.

i take those numbers to signal that it's a mix of quads and tris

Wouldn't that be a problem?  Someone said for SubD to work meshes should be 100% quads.

Im not sure if poser or ds have any special limitations ( i dont expect them to) but in most programs tris and subD play together just fine.

Quote - :surfaces briefly from ocean of work:

Can't have a new figure without some faerie clothes and wings :)

:dives back in pixel sea:

WOOT! Mada! I'm a happy chic. LOL

Laurie

Skin Map / Texture Resource Kit

Could we have a bit more info, especially on what we are allowed and not allowed to do.

All the best.

Great Uncle LROG

Still waiting for Th***e to appear!!! LOL

All the best.

Great Uncle LROG

Quote - I do hope that the male figure will have "nads"

Doesn't sound like it, unfortunately. Poor guy, or rather.... not... guy :huh:

paganeagle2001, since you are making note of requests, I'm hoping for a simple casual outfit for Dawn at the time of release that would be suitable for pose set renders, similar to Roxie's basic clothing, so that I wouldn't be attempting to promote interest in Dawn with pose sets showing her with only a bikini.   Doesn't have to be fancy, just something simple casual so that it would be appropriate for the types of pose sets I'd be creating...like Roxie's sets, in an office setting, driving a car, riding a bike, relaxing in a home setting, and the musician poses, as well as others.   Just thought I'd mention this in advance.

Also, when the male figure is released, it would be nice if it had a beard texture option for the face.

Thanks!

:)

So no genitals then according to fb? That for the male version too?

Ah well - looks like Vicky and Mike will continue to reign as the supreme humanoids in my runtime for some time yet then....

Well. as long she has enough geometry to sculpt something decent, I won't have a problem with that: Vicky originally didn't have some specific details either.

best regards,

Bopper.

Added to the list!!

Also, for those of you that like creature morphs, let the team know what you would like.

Remember, if you don't ask.......

All the best.

Great Uncle LROG

I am astonished, you folks are CORE to DAZ. Whoah ya rocked the 3d world with the anouncement.  Eagerly awaiting more info.

Quote - > Quote - > Quote - I think two digits are missing from your triangle count. It should be close to double the quad count.

i take those numbers to signal that it's a mix of quads and tris

Could be.

I didn't have your vast industry experience to distract me from the simple addition.

  Total Triangles:1702
+Total Quads:37624

Total Faces:39326

The thing about genital sets is that a certain company makes you buy a bundle set before they are included.

We all know that various sets will appear at various sites, so that, those that want to use them can.

All the best.

Great Uncle LROG

"Wouldn't that be a problem?  Someone said for SubD to work meshes should be 100% quads."

The "all quads" rule is just for gaming avatars.

Firefly doesn't care about quads, tris or poles. If you know how, you can even get away with n-gones.

And the new Poser SubD doesn't mind tris, either. It hates unwelded vertices, though.

Glad to see a "decent" polycount on Dawn*.*

While using SubD won't hurt to achieve 100% smoothness, that should be enough polygons to do some nicely detailed bodyshapes just by sculpting the mesh.

My own 3rd Gen hybrids are 46177 polys and I'm pretty sure I could have savely reduced that polygon count by a few thousand polys, but I didn't want to loose direct compatibility with the default 3rd gen figures.

Quote - The thing about genital sets is that a certain company makes you buy a bundle set before they are included.

I personally have no need for those parts but if they were done as some sort of viable separate option for people who want them, I believe it would make people happy.