I didn't want to derail an earlier thread, so I'll ask the question here. Why aren't male figures used more often, or rendered more? One would think that Poser and DS would lend themselves quite well to making action renders of male characters. But for some reason, and maybe they think they're being different,  but what you end up with are a plethora of renders of sexy looking female astronauts, or pirates, knights, police, soldiers. Often as not, you end up not having those costumes for male figures or M4 has to convert and wear his sister's hand me downs.

I do hearpeople asking for stuff for males , but I'm starting to learn that even if you make what they ask for, they won't buy.

Poll the percentage of males using the software and you may have your answer.  I agree, there is a disproportionate amount of content available for males and not enough overwhelming demand from users to persuade vendors to change.  Recently, DAZ has been marketing more male oriented content for Genesis 2, perhaps a step in the right direction.

Not much demand for a nakid mike in a temple with a sword I guess.

I do buy items for M4 but there is so little on the market, particularly Sci-Fi items.  There are a few period outfits for M4 but I do very few period renders.  If there is a Sci-Fi outfit for V4 and something for M4 I will tend to go for the V4 item and try and adapt that. 

I can't see it changing, I mean even Hivewire thought a Horse would be a better companion for Dawn than a male and who am I to argue.

Quote - but what you end up with are a plethora of renders of sexy looking female astronauts, or pirates, knights, police, soldiers.

I think you may have answered your own question with your question. Why was Playboy out for years (over 20?) before sommething simmilar was available with male models?

there are a lot of female Poser users (and photographers) who do fine jobs with girly models, and the Poser users making good male shots are quite often male themselves (Roland58).

I guess there are other motives.

 * take a walk through the nearest shopping mall and guess the amount of male versus female fashion space.

 * ditto for a fashion webshop, estimate the amount of pages on either use

 * my wife's wardrobe takes at least four times as much space as mine

 * how much more female nude and fashion models do we have, compared to male ones?

So, art imitates life, I think. Just my 2ct

Duh, I thought everyone knew why the female meshes were more popular :rolleyes:
It is because they have got titties!!!

And the males very often have nothing.

Or you have to add it on and that just feels wrong.

Long live Apollo!

So, it's not about the art, it's about the sex?

haha, I have to disagree. Ever visited a professional ballet, a high-end fashion show or top level professional female sports event? No titties. Seen senior male executives in the hotel swimming pool? Titties!

Quote - haha, I have to disagree. Ever visited a professional ballet, a high-end fashion show or top level professional female sports event? No titties. Seen senior male executives in the hotel swimming pool? Titties!

LOLOLOL. So true.

I'm going to guess that the lack of content for male figures reflects a cultural move towards covering up the male skin.

Take a look at soccer or basketball outfits from the early 80s. Short-shorties! Watch some movies from 30 years ago, and you see what boys wore at the beach and in the pool. 

Today, a guy can't get away with shorts that reveal his knees -- even in the pool. And the tank-top (or muscle shirt) is pretty much gone too.

I predict that in two decades, we will have our men in burkas.

Meanwhile, female clothing has gone in the opposite direction. I look forward to the day that it's acceptable and common for women to go topless in public (the way it used to be for men).

There are probably all sorts of reasons for these trends. I'm sure social psychologists could have a field day analyzing the patterns. 

Is it a reflection of the fear that wearing revealing clothing will mark a guy as homosexual? Or is it a result of the idea that females are the proper object of viewing, hence lots of full frontal female nudity in TV shows and hardly any male? Is it a result of the cultural influence of heterosexual porn, in which the female is the main focus? Are the Puritanical remnants still affecting women, so that many of us still don't feel comfortable publicly relishing the aesthetic pleasure of the male form? Gees, the possibilities are endless...

I asked around, and I got this answer (paraphrased) from an art student: My friends saw my figure drawings, and the first thing they said was Why are you drawing guys? Are you gay?

So there you have it. Heterosexual men aren't supposed to look at other men (even if they're not personally hung up about it). Heterosexual women do (A LOT), but many still believe the myth that "women aren't visually oriented" (HAHA), so we're not supposed to either. Gay men certainly do like to look at men. And I thank the gods that someone does. 

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@Nanette**
And you sound so disappointed :-D

@Clarkie
Well put it this way, if the survey they carried out on men is true and we think about sex every 20 seconds, it's not hard to understand why Poser is so popular.  I tried to test myself over that one and failed, because everytime I checked to see if I was thinking about sex, I obviously was thinking about sex because I was checking to see if I was thinking about it!

@aRtBee
You stick to the male execs in the hotel swimming pool and I'll check out the ballet :-D

Titties; they come in all shapes and sizes does titties!  Big ones, small ones, pointly ones and saggy ones.  But they is still titties, man, they is titties!  Manboobs is different, they not look like any sort of female titties.

They is not titties!

Your 20 seconds are up.

Quote - @ClarkieWell put it this way, if the survey they carried out on men is true and we think about sex every 20 seconds, it's not hard to understand why Poser is so popular.  I tried to test myself over that one and failed, because everytime I checked to see if I was thinking about sex, I obviously was thinking about sex because I was checking to see if I was thinking about it!

And you think women aren't thinking about sex just as often? Perhaps even MORE often.

I say that because in experiments that studied sexual desire, men showed physical signs of arousal when they viewed images of the specific female types that turned them on. Women showed physical signs of arousal at just about anything remotely connected to sex: naked men, naked women, including an enormous variety of body types, and they didn't even have to be human. Videos of Bonobo chimps mating were apparently quite arousing as well.

We're thinking about sex all the time! It's just that we're so accustomed to it that we don't think of it as "thinking about sex."

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"I look forward to the day that it's acceptable and common for women to go topless in public ..."

Yeah, me as well :woot: :woot: :woot:

On a slightly more disturbing note, I must come clean and admit that I thought you were female, Moriador!
All my discussions with you have been on the understanding I thought you were a female!

Quote - I can't see it changing, I mean even Hivewire thought a Horse would be a better companion for Dawn than a male and who am I to argue.

 

LOL!

Quote - I look forward to the day that it's acceptable and common for women to go topless in public ..."

Yeah, me as well :woot: :woot: :woot:

On a slightly more disturbing note, I must come clean and admit that I thought you were female, Moriador!
All my discussions with you have been on the understanding I thought you were a female!

I am female, something that surprised people a couple of years ago on these forums when I "came out" as female, and added my avatar (not that a girl in an avatar necessarily means you're a girl).

That doesn't mean I don't appreciate a nice pair of boobs. As mentioned above, they can be a turn-on even for those of us who don't necessarily swing in that direction. But more to the point, I always thought it was unfair that on a hot and sweaty summer day, men could just whip off their shirts and wipe their chests with them, while we girls just have to suffer (and suffer through watching the topless men).

Actually I've seen plenty of professional ballet and high-end fashion shows with titties :biggrin:

But anyway.... I mainly render males. I do lots of sci-fi, historical and fantasy stuff. There's actually quite a bit of stuff around for M3 and M4 and I do a lot of kit bashing and make a lot of my own dynamic stuff when I need historical accuracy. More historically accurate armour (any period!) for males is always needed! I don't do everyday-type renders so I have no idea what's available in that line though.

Quote - But more to the point, I always thought it was unfair that on a hot and sweaty summer day, men could just whip off their shirts and wipe their chests with them, while we girls just have to suffer (and suffer through watching the topless men).

I've always envied the ladies in their cool and breezy sun dresses. They would seem to be very comfortable on a hot summer day.

@Moriador
I meant because you said your friends saw you drawing nude men and asked if you were gay!
I don't understand; why would a female drawing nude men be considered gay?

That's why I thought, well, Moriador must be male then!

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@Moriador
I meant because you said your friends saw you drawing nude men and asked if you were gay!
I don't understand; why would a female drawing nude men be considered gay?

That's why I thought, well, Moriador must be male then!

LOL. I guess I wasn't clear. I was paraphrasing an art student's reply (his experience, not mine).

Edit: My own figure drawing is crap. Hence: Poser!! :D

i thnk, in the rendo gallery you can't show man's full front nude?

there are fully nude men in DA galleries.  :)

Quote - Actually I've seen plenty of professional ballet and high-end fashion shows with titties :biggrin:

But anyway.... I mainly render males. I do lots of sci-fi, historical and fantasy stuff. There's actually quite a bit of stuff around for M3 and M4 and I do a lot of kit bashing and make a lot of my own dynamic stuff when I need historical accuracy. More historically accurate armour (any period!) for males is always needed! I don't do everyday-type renders so I have no idea what's available in that line though.

I do these, too. Way more than anything else. (Also the kitbashing). I got into 3D art as a way to make RPG characters come to life. Suffice it to say, my roleplaying group isn't comprised solely of females battling other females. So I've always wanted more and more content for the men.

When I look at CGSociety and other such sites, I see tons of male characters being modelled and rendered, presumably mostly by men. 

I guess we don't see it so much with Poser because it has this reputation of being mostly used for crass pinups.

I repeat a thought I posted in an earlier thread:

I think many are in denial as to what the vast majority of Poser users use Poser for. I have no hard evidence... just a gut feel based on the posted renders and the clothing available in the stores. But it's my opinion and I'm sticking to it until proven wrong! :)

And yes, I'm as guilty as the next guy... I have 4 times the clothes for my Vicki that I have for Michael... and I own about 90% of what is out for Michael... and Tyler... I used them (clothed) A LOT!

Given this, I've been ammused from the beginning of my involvement with the hobby how there is never any room for the male package in trousers made for the Poser males. Perhaps the ideal is the Middle Eastern Palaces of 500 years ago... many scanitlly clad females ready and willing, guarded by an army of eunucks! If a male character removes his slacks you get the "Wow! Where was he hiding THOSE" effect.

And, BTW, the Poser cloth simulation FAILS if you try to use dynamic slacks to remedy the situation. I mean, it lays down and DIES if you try running it with genitals attached!

Too silly for words.

Quote - I repeat a thought I posted in an earlier thread:

I think many are in denial as to what the vast majority of Poser users use Poser for. I have no hard evidence... just a gut feel based on the posted renders and the clothing available in the stores. But it's my opinion and I'm sticking to it until proven wrong! :)

And yes, I'm as guilty as the next guy... I have 4 times the clothes for my Vicki that I have for Michael... and I own about 90% of what is out for Michael... and Tyler... I used them (clothed) A LOT!

Given this, I've been ammused from the beginning of my involvement with the hobby how there is never any room for the male package in trousers made for the Poser males. Perhaps the ideal is the Middle Eastern Palaces of 500 years ago... many scanitlly clad females ready and willing, guarded by an army of eunucks! If a male character removes his slacks you get the "Wow! Where was he hiding THOSE" effect.

And, BTW, the Poser cloth simulation FAILS if you try to use dynamic slacks to remedy the situation. I mean, it lays down and DIES!

Too silly for words.

The Genesis 1 & 2 males have a package morph. I noticed, because in Poser, the automatic addition of morphs applies it to outerwear as well. Very noticeable! LOL.

I had the same problems with M4, until I discovered TrekkieGrrl's "Bulges" morphs. Work like a dream, both for dynamic, and in Morphing Clothes.

Edit: FTR, I agree with you about what I believe Poser is mostly used for. :D

lol@wiz

(taking off my mod hat for a moment):

The notion that men don't have as many clothing options as women is a complete falacy. There are numerous multi-million dollar fashion designers that only design for men. Magazines that are tailored exclusively to men's fashion, all-male fashion shows, etc.

And that's just for modern-day wear. Add to it 6,000+ years of clothing from every known culture in the world.

Add again all the sci-fi and fantasy designs seen in video games and films.

The options are pretty much endless for potential male clothing. 

I think it mostly boils down to what Poser (and DS) is primarily used for - female pin-ups and fantasy (and I'm not talking about the swords and dragons kind). 

Combine that with the demasculinization of men today, where they are expected to be hairless, androgynous whelps who couldn't fight their way out of a wet paper bag with a map and written directions. 

Even the character sets available for men in the MPs, the majority of them, are more feminine than masculine.

And everything Moriador said in her first post. 

It's pathetic that even today in our "modern" open-minded society (another complete falacy) a man can't openly appreciate the beauty and strength of another man without having a label slapped on him. 

~Shane

Quote - (taking off my mod hat for a moment):

The notion that men don't have as many clothing options as women is a complete falacy. There are numerous multi-million dollar fashion designers that only design for men. Magazines that are tailored exclusively to men's fashion, all-male fashion shows, etc.

And that's just for modern-day wear. Add to it 6,000+ years of clothing from every known culture in the world.

Add again all the sci-fi and fantasy designs seen in video games and films.

The options are pretty much endless for potential male clothing. 

I think it mostly boils down to what Poser (and DS) is primarily used for - female pin-ups and fantasy (and I'm not talking about the swords and dragons kind). 

Combine that with the demasculinization of men today, where they are expected to be hairless, androgynous whelps who couldn't fight their way out of a wet paper bag with a map and written directions. 

Even the character sets available for men in the MPs, the majority of them, are more feminine than masculine.

And everything Moriador said in her first post. 

It's pathetic that even today in our "modern" open-minded society (another complete falacy) a man can't openly appreciate the beauty and strength of another man without having a label slapped on him. 

 

~Shane

+1

I suspect that a lot of the male character sets in the MP are made by women, many of whom maybe prefer that kind of adrogyny. Plus, I understand that texturing a product with body hair, especially if the texture set you're using is of a shaved human, requires more work. Certainly there are textures with body hair, but I guess not all that many, as you see the same chest hair on multiple characters. 

But there has definitely been a trend toward more adolescent (hairless, beardless, slender/soft) looking males in fashion, advertising, and many movies.

Maybe it's the cult of youth showing up for both sexes. The ideal person, apparently, looks 14.

Shane, totally agree with your observation of the demascularization of men, it's everywhere these days; face cream and leg shaving, eyeliner even, stuff like that.

It's a sensitive issue though, because no view can ever be said to be the right one.  I personally see myself as very open-minded but others might not.  I believe that every person on this planet should take their sexuality in whatever direction they are most comfortable with; the one that will give them the happiest life.

Most do, but some don't for fear of getting "labelled" - and that's epic sad.

On the other hand, though, you're just asking to be labelled if you "appreciate the strength and beauty of men".  Some will immediately take such a statement in a sexual context, few will realise that any other context for it even exists!

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Shane, totally agree with your observation of the demascularization of men, it's everywhere these days; face cream and leg shaving, eyeliner even, stuff like that.

It's a sensitive issue though, because no view can ever be said to be the right one.  I personally see myself as very open-minded but others might not.  I believe that every person on this planet should take their sexuality in whatever direction they are most comfortable with; the one that will give them the happiest life.

Most do, but some don't for fear of getting "labelled" - and that's epic sad.

On the other hand, though, you're just asking to be labelled if you "appreciate the strength and beauty of men".  Some will immediately take such a statement in a sexual context, few will realise that any other context for it even exists!

Agree completely. And, hey, my preferences run the gamut from pale, goth guys in tight skinny jeans to hellraising biker types with tattoos and long beards. I married a hairy man. He'd look ridiculous if he shaved it off. But I don't have to tell him to keep his "pelt." The less judgmental you are about appearances, the better the world looks to you (the world is also a lot sexier if you aren't constantly being "turned off" by this and that).

RE: the labelling. It's truly stupid. No one is going to ask me if I'm a lesbian, even when I show the most sexually provocative renders of women (some include actual intercourse). Why can't men have the same freedom? The labellers are sexist. But of course they do exist and can make life hell. However, while I have no way of really knowing, I doubt there are many of them in the fine art world. At least I hope there aren't.

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@Moriador
I meant because you said your friends saw you drawing nude men and asked if you were gay!
I don't understand; why would a female drawing nude men be considered gay?

That's why I thought, well, Moriador must be male then!

What if the woman is a lesbian?

QUOTE:
"What if the woman is a lesbian?"

lol - She'd be drawing a woman instead?

Poser is fantasy

if you render out a sexy girl for your fantasy,
your dang sure are not going to render your fantasy with another dude.

if ya look at fantasy comic art like heavy metal ,or any fantasy art .
the only dude ,dudes want to see is a bad ass monster,warrior ,hero etc etc
that we can respect.
we will tolerate the slizzy bad guys ,cause we know we could beat the crap out of them anytime.
none of the dudes ever look any thing like michael.

michael is a pretty boy for nauseating girly romantic movies.
that no dude want's to see.

Quote - i thnk, in the rendo gallery you can't show man's full front nude?

there are fully nude men in DA galleries.  :)

My Photobucket account was closed because of a picture of a guy's bare arse :ohmy:

I like DA :thumbupboth:

Quote - Poser is fantasy

if you render out a sexy girl for your fantasy,
your dang sure are not going to render your fantasy with another dude.

if ya look at fantasy comic art like heavy metal ,or any fantasy art .
the only dude ,dudes want to see is a bad ass monster,warrior ,hero etc etc
that we can respect.
we will tolerate the slizzy bad guys ,cause we know we could beat the crap out of them anytime.
none of the dudes ever look any thing like michael.

michael is a pretty boy for nauseating girly romantic movies.
that no dude want's to see.

 

Way to generalize, dude! :D :D

In any case, in fantasy comic book art, none of the females look anything like Victoria, either. 

Do not speculate any more.

Stand up from behind your PC (or Mac)

Go to "where ever" and count:

How many pair of shoes do you have?
How many pair of shoes does your wife have?

End of argument.

LOL.

Quote -
QUOTE:
"What if the woman is a lesbian?"

lol - She'd be drawing a woman instead?

Awww, you didn't get the joke. A LESBIAN who likes men would be GAY!

Quote - > Quote -

QUOTE:
"What if the woman is a lesbian?"

lol - She'd be drawing a woman instead?

Awww, you didn't get the joke. A LESBIAN who likes men would be GAY!

Bisexual

Quote - > Quote - > Quote -

QUOTE:
"What if the woman is a lesbian?"

lol - She'd be drawing a woman instead?

Awww, you didn't get the joke. A LESBIAN who likes men would be GAY!

Bisexual

Yeah, you didn't get it either. If a woman likes men, she's straight. If she likes women, she's lesbian. So a lesbian who likes MEN would be gay.

Quote - > Quote - > Quote - > Quote -

QUOTE:
"What if the woman is a lesbian?"

lol - She'd be drawing a woman instead?

Awww, you didn't get the joke. A LESBIAN who likes men would be GAY!

Bisexual

Yeah, you didn't get it either. If a woman likes men, she's straight. If she likes women, she's lesbian. So a lesbian who likes MEN would be gay.

LOL. Deep into the pit of non-pc discussion, what would a gay man who "likes" women be? Double gay? Gay squared?

Our terminology is all messed up. Lesbians are gay. So are gay men. So the above gentleman would be gay cubed?

All I know is that by just about any definition of the word I'm quite queer. But I married and sleep with a person of the opposite sex. Perhaps I'm double queer. 

Edit: [I think I prefer this method: to imagine sexual identification with gay as the default (with no reference to a heterosexual standard)]. Certainly more descriptive than what the heteropatriarchal norm offers. :D

Quote - Do not speculate any more.

Stand up from behind your PC (or Mac)

Go to "where ever" and count:

How many pair of shoes do you have?
How many pair of shoes does your wife have?

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End of argument.

LOL.

I've been married for 18 years (pats self on back) so I know how this works.

That's just because men hate shopping, and shoes are the one thing they can't reasonably expect their wives to buy for them -- unless they enjoy getting blisters. :P

Why not count socks and underwear? My hubby would win that hands down, even though he hasn't bought either for more than a decade and a half.

Quote - > Quote - i thnk, in the rendo gallery you can't show man's full front nude?

there are fully nude men in DA galleries.  :)

My Photobucket account was closed because of a picture of a guy's bare arse :ohmy:

I like DA :thumbupboth:

Full male nudity is allowed in the Rendo galleries, it just has to be tagged appropriately and can't be sexual in nature. As long as it complies to Renderosity's TOS, it's fine.

~Shane

Quote - > Quote - > Quote - > Quote - > Quote -

QUOTE:
"What if the woman is a lesbian?"

lol - She'd be drawing a woman instead?

Awww, you didn't get the joke. A LESBIAN who likes men would be GAY!

Bisexual

Yeah, you didn't get it either. If a woman likes men, she's straight. If she likes women, she's lesbian. So a lesbian who likes MEN would be gay.

LOL. Deep into the pit of non-pc discussion, what would a gay man who "likes" women be? Double gay? Gay squared?

Lesbian... duh!

Quote - I didn't want to derail an earlier thread, so I'll ask the question here. Why aren't male figures used more often, or rendered more? One would think that Poser and DS would lend themselves quite well to making action renders of male characters. But for some reason, and maybe they think they're being different,  but what you end up with are a plethora of renders of sexy looking female astronauts, or pirates, knights, police, soldiers. Often as not, you end up not having those costumes for male figures or M4 has to convert and wear his sister's hand me downs.

I do hear people asking for stuff for males , but I'm starting to learn that even if you make what they ask for, they won't buy.

"Why won't vendors make content for males" was answered years ago.  If you dig back into the forums, you can find some epic flamethrowing threads (Some of which I was a participant in.  I was constantly whining for male content for the 1st five years that I was a member of the Poser community.)  It boils down to the following (Stop me if some of this sounds familiar...)

1.   *"I am an artist, I make what I want - and I don't want to make male clothing."  * If a vendor decides from the outset that they aren't making male clothing, not a lot we can do about that.

*2.  "I made a product for a male character and it didn't sell - so I am never making male clothing ever again." * There was probably a reason - it was either too niche or it simply wasn't very good.

Let me give an example - A vendor made a 19th Century US Calvary outfit.  It was a good outfit.  However, it only came with 1 texture (Union Blue).  Had it also come with a grey texture, then it could have also been used for civil war renders - include a set of red textures, M3 could be heroic in the Kyber pass or in Algeria with the French Foreign Legion. They didn't make additonal texture sets, therefore, it was limited to the time of the Indian Wars.

During this time period, many vendors took a "Take it or leave it" approach, which didn't exactly endear them to their potential customer base.

3.  Making "sexy-time" female clothing is easier than making male clothing.

3.  A lot of the male clothing that was made was not comparable to the female clothing being made (by the same artists most of the time); the attention do detail simply wan't there.  As an example, I have a western outfit by a fairly popular vendor - the shirt comes with 1 texture - plaid.  On the front of the shirt, the stripes are horizontal and vertical.  On the back, the plaid pattern is at a 45 degree angle.  I had to either aquire texturing skills that the vendor was too lazy to do, or only render it from the front.

4.  Male products were more expensive than comparable female clothing.

5.  Additional textures for male clothing came in 2 flavors: colors and fabrics that no man would be caught dead in or none at all.

Male characters are in the exact same boat as any figure not named V4.  The vendors aren't going to make content for them. 

That was why I got Wardrobe Wizard when it was first released.  And Poser 2014 makes it even easier to make clothing figure neutral.  Rendering with Male figures requires Poser & DS users to up their skill sets - and most aren't going to do that - it is a hobby after all, and most end users are no different than the "paint-by-the-numbers" folks.

OTOH, between Apollo Maximus, the 2nd, 3rd & 4th Generation DAZ males and the SM males, I do actually have a fairly extensive wardrobe for my male characters.

I wouldn't mind buying this stuff.
but I've never seen anything like this for DAZ Poser.

http://www.mrwallpaper.com/wallpapers/huge-fantasy-warrior.jpg

http://images5.alphacoders.com/297/297917.jpg

http://i475.photobucket.com/albums/rr112/XshitzX/LichKing.jpg

Anyone else here wan't cool stuff like this ?

Quote - > Quote - I didn't want to derail an earlier thread, so I'll ask the question here. Why aren't male figures used more often, or rendered more? One would think that Poser and DS would lend themselves quite well to making action renders of male characters. But for some reason, and maybe they think they're being different,  but what you end up with are a plethora of renders of sexy looking female astronauts, or pirates, knights, police, soldiers. Often as not, you end up not having those costumes for male figures or M4 has to convert and wear his sister's hand me downs.

I do hear people asking for stuff for males , but I'm starting to learn that even if you make what they ask for, they won't buy.

"Why won't vendors make content for males" was answered years ago.  If you dig back into the forums, you can find some epic flamethrowing threads (Some of which I was a participant in.  I was constantly whining for male content for the 1st five years that I was a member of the Poser community.)  It boils down to the following (Stop me if some of this sounds familiar...)

1.   *"I am an artist, I make what I want - and I don't want to make male clothing."  * If a vendor decides from the outset that they aren't making male clothing, not a lot we can do about that.

*2.  "I made a product for a male character and it didn't sell - so I am never making male clothing ever again." * There was probably a reason - it was either too niche or it simply wasn't very good.

Let me give an example - A vendor made a 19th Century US Calvary outfit.  It was a good outfit.  However, it only came with 1 texture (Union Blue).  Had it also come with a grey texture, then it could have also been used for civil war renders - include a set of red textures, M3 could be heroic in the Kyber pass or in Algeria with the French Foreign Legion. They didn't make additonal texture sets, therefore, it was limited to the time of the Indian Wars.

During this time period, many vendors took a "Take it or leave it" approach, which didn't exactly endear them to their potential customer base.

3.  Making "sexy-time" female clothing is easier than making male clothing.

3.  A lot of the male clothing that was made was not comparable to the female clothing being made (by the same artists most of the time); the attention do detail simply wan't there.  As an example, I have a western outfit by a fairly popular vendor - the shirt comes with 1 texture - plaid.  On the front of the shirt, the stripes are horizontal and vertical.  On the back, the plaid pattern is at a 45 degree angle.  I had to either aquire texturing skills that the vendor was too lazy to do, or only render it from the front.

4.  Male products were more expensive than comparable female clothing.

5.  Additional textures for male clothing came in 2 flavors: colors and fabrics that no man would be caught dead in or none at all.

Male characters are in the exact same boat as any figure not named V4.  The vendors aren't going to make content for them. 

That was why I got Wardrobe Wizard when it was first released.  And Poser 2014 makes it even easier to make clothing figure neutral.  Rendering with Male figures requires Poser & DS users to up their skill sets - and most aren't going to do that - it is a hobby after all, and most end users are no different than the "paint-by-the-numbers" folks.

OTOH, between Apollo Maximus, the 2nd, 3rd & 4th Generation DAZ males and the SM males, I do actually have a fairly extensive wardrobe for my male characters.

No matter how you try to argue it, the bottom line really come down to the customer. No vendor can survive off of making clothing from every plea and it only sells 4 copies. That's wasting their time. Vendors only make what people will pay for, if they're not paying for the stuff you want, then you'll have to learn to make it yourself. You can't blame vendors for not wanting to pay bills with someone else's philosophy; creditors usually only accept money. ;)

The question was "Why aren't male figures used more often, or rendered more?". Not why don't people make clothes for them. Part of that might be because the clothes people want aren't available maybe, but there's actually quite a lot of stuff out there for the Daz males anyway. Not too much for Ryan/Tyler though unfortunately.

Quote - The question was "Why aren't male figures used more often, or rendered more?". Not why don't people make clothes for them. Part of that might be because the clothes people want aren't available maybe, but there's actually quite a lot of stuff out there for the Daz males anyway. Not too much for Ryan/Tyler though unfortunately.

All right, all right, I get the hint! I don't need a building to fall on me. Will clothing for Rex work instead, though?

Quote - > Quote - The question was "Why aren't male figures used more often, or rendered more?". Not why don't people make clothes for them. Part of that might be because the clothes people want aren't available maybe, but there's actually quite a lot of stuff out there for the Daz males anyway. Not too much for Ryan/Tyler though unfortunately.

All right, all right, I get the hint! I don't need a building to fall on me. Will clothing for Rex work instead, though?

I'm sure clothing for Rex would be great and much appreciated. But I don't have Rex.

I could convert a load of M3 and M4 stuff for Tyler, but then I'm left with thinking - why bother with all that extra work and not just use M3 or M4 instead?

One of the main problems for me with male figures is that I really don't like M4 very much. Never liked him since he first came out. From what I've seen of the later Daz M-series they look much better.

Ha-ha-ha-, will clothing for Rex work you ask? ?

Ha Earl, euh, can you turn him into a sexbomb....

Pull some breasts in the mesh?

LOL.

For clothing it seems : The less polygons you use, the better sales will be....

You get MORE money for LESS work.  Ha-ha-ha- Must be heaven.

LOL.

You could try building bondage stuff..... But that would be for the "other" site.

LOL.

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"What if the woman is a lesbian?"

lol - She'd be drawing a woman instead?

Awww, you didn't get the joke. A LESBIAN who likes men would be GAY!

Bisexual

Yeah, you didn't get it either. If a woman likes men, she's straight. If she likes women, she's lesbian. So a lesbian who likes MEN would be gay.

Bisexual. I got the joke, you're getting the terms wrong. Liking both sexes does not mean you're gay and you're liable to offend that person if you say it as such.

Quote - > Quote - The question was "Why aren't male figures used more often, or rendered more?". Not why don't people make clothes for them. Part of that might be because the clothes people want aren't available maybe, but there's actually quite a lot of stuff out there for the Daz males anyway. Not too much for Ryan/Tyler though unfortunately.

All right, all right, I get the hint! I don't need a building to fall on me. Will clothing for Rex work instead, though?

some bad ass armor would be cool.

and mich has a new cuss gianni.