Quote - "Productive would be": DAZ releasing a fully Poser compatible figure.

Hey, The meshes are OK, no complains there.

And? ? MOST of us have been asking that for months, no, years already.

All DAZ has to do is release a fully Poser compatible figure.

And then you will see content sales boom through the roof.

Several posts ago you said "Genesis is for DS and should stay there". They have their figure and platform and making money. 

In light of that, what is SM doing? That's really what you should be asking. You can't have it both ways. Unless both platforms are doing the same exact things, there won't be a native figure. So asking for figure that doesn't do everything isn't productive. 

You are customer of SM, so that's where you ask for your needs if you don't want what the 3rd party is offering. The problem is that SM was happy to let DAZ handle the figures while not working on their platform for years, so now they either have to adopt the 3rd party platform or make their own. 

Those are really SM's choices and as a customer, you need to discuss what needs to be done in order to convey that to SM, not ask DAZ to make you something, absolving SM of their duties to their paying customers.

Quote - Damn it, vilters! You said Genesis three times too fast and then he showed up! Well, that's it then! two pages. It was a good run before the thread got locked.

Yes, same old thing over and over and over again....

EClark1894 : I've not herd of them weight mapping the old dragon,poor thing.
Don't even think they have weight mapped M4.

Is there a M4 weight mapped version ?

M3,M4 boy parts works like like Rex's ?

I'm on Poser ,DAZ & alot others mailing list.

DAZ every email always has DAZ & Poser meshes.
Renderosity mailing list always has meshes for DAZ meshes.
Poser emails not meshes , diffrent software .

Go to http://www.smithmicro.com/ 
Poser is only a part

or Smith Micro youtube
Poser is only a part

What would Poser be with out DAZ and Vicky 1,2,3,4,5,6 ?
If there was never a DAZ ,Think we would have all this ?
DAZ made a software system to make there Vicky better ,So we should hate DAZ for it ?
We should love DAZ V4 but hate DAZ V6 ?

I never did get politics or religion.

Quote - > Quote - Damn it, vilters! You said Genesis three times too fast and then he showed up! Well, that's it then! two pages. It was a good run before the thread got locked.

Yes, same old thing over and over and over again....

Hence I voted for the lock. This is covered ground that's not really discussing real solutions.

The problem with locking a thread because it has been discussed before means that a lot of people new to Poser will miss out on help with installing V4, problems with Poser and IE 11, even with using DSON.  It's OK to say use the search function but it is not the easiest beast to use, I have problems finding what I want and I have been trying for years.  I think a new user might well give up and try another forum.

Quote - > Quote - > Quote - Damn it, vilters! You said Genesis three times too fast and then he showed up! Well, that's it then! two pages. It was a good run before the thread got locked.

Yes, same old thing over and over and over again....

Hence I voted for the lock. This is covered ground that's not really discussing real solutions.

So why are you then stirring the pot?  Do you even use Poser?  You have posted in this thread more than anyone else. I don't see any of your comments over in the Diabetic Willpower thread... :lol:

Stop, folks. MM's right. I shouldn't have said anything. I've actually been biting my tongue since he first posted, but  this one's on me.

Anyway, RorrKonn, I remember there was talk about weight mapping M4. I thinks someone even got started on it, but I don't know if it got  finished or not. This was back when Poser Place was still open.

Anybody know how you would go about weightmapping  the Mildragon? and No, I'm not talking about for redistribution?

Quote - > Quote - > Quote - > Quote - Damn it, vilters! You said Genesis three times too fast and then he showed up! Well, that's it then! two pages. It was a good run before the thread got locked.

Yes, same old thing over and over and over again....

Hence I voted for the lock. This is covered ground that's not really discussing real solutions.

So why are you then stirring the pot?  Do you even use Poser?  You have posted in this thread more than anyone else. I don't see any of your comments over in the Diabetic Willpower thread... :lol:

I'm not stirring the pot. I pointed out something no one wants to talk about. 

What is SM doing? It's either bashing DAZ or demanding DAZ make something they don't need to.

It you don't want DAZ's solution, then this is what you need to discuss. This is what you should be discussing and would make these threads productive.

EClark1894 : Anybody know how you would go about weightmapping  the Mildragon? and No, I'm not talking about for redistribution?

I think you have Pro 14 it has weight mapping tools

Well, I do have 2014.  I wonder if I just merge all zones into a weight map would work?

Darn! Just remembered, I  never did get the Mildragon. Just the Mildragon LE, and I don't think that came with any poses.

Quote - Well, I do have 2014.  I wonder if I just merge all zones into a weight map would work?

It works, but it merely converts the existing sphere maps into weightmaps, so you need to edit the weightmaps for better bending.  I've played with it for the Gen 3 figures, but I don't quite have the knack.

http://poser.smithmicro.com/tutorials/advanced/riggin301.html

I think LE is rigged the same as the full Dragon.  Somewhere I have Cage's Poser Place script to generate the weight injection pose for distribution if you do want to distribute it....

No, I don't think so, although it is intriguing idea. but I've got several projects now that I'm backed up on.

My turn to RANT !!! yell scream & cuss

There is nothing more agravating then trying to learn a new app with out directions.

So where is the directions on how to manage 2 maps on 1 mesh in Blender ?

I RTFM http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/Doc:2.6/Manual#Textures

for all the good it did.

Now I remeber why I never bought the full Mildragon. Sucka's expensive. For extra morphs, it's about 29.99, and for textures it goes up to almost $50.00. And as far as I can determine, no poses came in any version.

And as long as we're ranting, what about those stupid $25.00 coupons that Renderosity loves to give out? I've got nothing against them per se, and sometimes they come in handy. But most of mine go unused because I rarely but $25 dollars or more of content at a time. Most of the time, i just delete them sight unseen.

Quote - Now I remeber why I never bought the full Mildragon. Sucka's expensive. For extra morphs, it's about 29.99, and for textures it goes up to almost $50.00. And as far as I can determine, no poses came in any version.

I have it, but I got the Dragon Bundle for $1.99 in a distant PC sale...

Quote - I'm justspitballing here, RK, but The way I worked it was to create my mat zones first. Then, you do the UVs. Once I finished the UVs I sent everything to Poser and applied my maps there. Now, that just the way I handled it. for Roxie's LBD.

I'm curious as to why you don't apply the maps in Blender.  Is there a reason or is it just your workflow?     

Quote - > Quote - I'm justspitballing here, RK, but The way I worked it was to create my mat zones first. Then, you do the UVs. Once I finished the UVs I sent everything to Poser and applied my maps there. Now, that just the way I handled it. for Roxie's LBD.

I'm curious as to why you don't apply the maps in Blender.  Is there a reason or is it just your workflow?     

Several reasons.  I'm still not all that  good with texturing, let alone texturing in Blender. I don't always have the maps ready to texture in Blender. And I understand how Poser works better so it's just easier all around. And since Poser is the app I'm texturing for, I figure it's best to use Poser's runtime format, so it will know where to look for the textures. I probably could do it in Blender if I knew how, but I don't and I do know with Poser. So all in all, i guess you could say it's the workflow that works best for me until something better comes along.

I'm curious as to why you don't apply the maps in Blender.  Is there a reason or is it just your workflow?   

Several reasons.  I'm still not all that  good with texturing, let alone texturing in Blender. I don't always have the maps ready to texture in Blender. And I understand how Poser works better so it's just easier all around. And since Poser is the app I'm texturing for, I figure it's best to use Poser's runtime format, so it will know where to look for the textures. I probably could do it in Blender if I knew how, but I don't and I do know with Poser. So all in all, i guess you could say it's the workflow that works best for me until something better comes along.

Sounds like we're kinda in the same place except that I'm more familiar with Blender vice Poser texturing although that still doesn't say much.  I like the idea of doing it in Poser for the reasons you stated.  

  Thanks for the reply.  

ianscott888 from youtube has a tutorail
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WCwXejULGI

Think i missed the asign part
done UV's first and then mats .i might be a bit backwards.
I load all the textures in blender to see if everything is O.K.

oh ,when ya see ya 2 UV's stacked over top each other in UV image/editor window
and need to rotate just one of the UV's.
How do you select just one of the UV's that's stacked over top each other ?

Think my work flow will go something like this
Modeled in C4D
Maped in Blender
Textured in Gimp.
modify textures with TopazLabs
Maps displacment,normals ,noise etc etc zBrush.
export to DAZ Poser

Don't know if i need photoshop
Think I might need
http://dev.quixel.se/ 
or
http://www.allegorithmic.com/

Quote - > Quote - Now I remeber why I never bought the full Mildragon. Sucka's expensive. For extra morphs, it's about 29.99, and for textures it goes up to almost $50.00. And as far as I can determine, no poses came in any version.

I have it, but I got the Dragon Bundle for $1.99 in a distant PC sale...

There's the MilDragon, and the MilDragon 2. I believe poses came in a bundle. In any case, I probably bought the MD2 when it first came out because I needed it for a commerical render (so it paid for itself). Since then, it's been discounted numerous times.

I actually use Dinoraul's dragons more often, though.

Metallica - Smoke On The Water

Disturbed Asylum

are cool

I think what many people miss is the fact that most Poser/Studio people want ease of use.

Not everyone has the abitlilty/time/etc to tweak everything in a scene or convert it to another character.

Do I use V5 M5 up? Nope, but I would not tell a vendor to support "X character either". Vendors are going to support what makes them money, and that is the bottom line.

The character I use the most is a modified version of V3, so if I see somehing that I want to buy, it is almost always not going to fit as all. No biggy for me because I have the tools and the know how to make it work with any wireframe. But it sure isn't a point and click operation until after it is converted.

Use whatever character you want to use. We have tons of them to choose from.

But at the same time, if you don't normally convert content for other characters, sooner or later you will have to use the latest characters.

Carry on.....

Quote - > Quote - > Quote - Now I remeber why I never bought the full Mildragon. Sucka's expensive. For extra morphs, it's about 29.99, and for textures it goes up to almost $50.00. And as far as I can determine, no poses came in any version.

I have it, but I got the Dragon Bundle for $1.99 in a distant PC sale...

There's the MilDragon, and the MilDragon 2. I believe poses came in a bundle. In any case, I probably bought the MD2 when it first came out because I needed it for a commerical render (so it paid for itself). Since then, it's been discounted numerous times.

I actually use Dinoraul's dragons more often, though.

Now that i think about it, there was another reason I never got the Mildragon. I don't think my system could handle it at the time. I remember that for most of my Poser life, my computer has always just barely been able to handle Poser's system requirements. The Mildragon came ut when Poser was on version 4, and at that time my Mac was using the Classic OS.  I was already borrowing Ram from my storage hard drive which gave my computer the ability to handle Poser's CPU demands, but it made my computer SSSSSSLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOWWWWW! Even V3, with all her morphs loaded was a memory hog back then, so you just know the Mildragon was a memory COW! I just loaded the Mildragon LE though and my computer didn't even flinch. We've come a long way baby!

Ya V3 had arond 60,000 polycount on a 32 RAM computer.
A 3000 polycount game mesh could crash n frezze the computer.
Oh the nightmare.:cursing:
Now Roxie has around 20.000 polycount on a 16 GB computer.

at lest I'm not the only one that's backwards :laugh:

Thought I'd chime in before the discussion DOES get locked. I've fiddled with Genesis and Dawn. They both have their positives and negatives. My only interest is whether they will help me make better art more efficiently. Right now the answer is no because none of them will increase my results regarding concept, color, lighting, or composition. These are the improvements I'm currently seeking in my artwork. Nor will they help me with my postworking (though they might cut down the need in some instances). The time and cost to rebuy, relearn, translate, transfer and emulate is not equal to the potential benefit to my finished product.

For those that wonder how people can use old technology it's because the tech is just a means to an end not the end itself. I'll upgrade my OS, computer, software and other tools when it provides a clear benefit, not when a tech company decides to release a new product.

Quote - Thought I'd chime in before the discussion DOES get locked. I've fiddled with Genesis and Dawn. They both have their positives and negatives. My only interest is whether they will help me make better art more efficiently. Right now the answer is no because none of them will increase my results regarding concept, color, lighting, or composition. These are the improvements I'm currently seeking in my artwork. Nor will they help me with my postworking (though they might cut down the need in some instances). The time and cost to rebuy, relearn, translate, transfer and emulate is not equal to the potential benefit to my finished product.

For those that wonder how people can use old technology it's because the tech is just a means to an end not the end itself. I'll upgrade my OS, computer, software and other tools when it provides a clear benefit, not when a tech company decides to release a new product.

I think your right although I personally feel many see it in far more black and white terms and feel that anyone not for Genesis is therefore against.  I am not against new tech but it has to give me benefit in either what I can do or make it easier to do what I do already.  Like you I do not feel the proven cost:benefits are there at the moment.  Others have different aims and different goals and the benefit may be there for them. 

Which is another reason why I do read Genesis threads and do not like to see them locked for, not only do others use Genesis in Poser, there may come and time when the benefits do outway the costs.

the city mouse doesn't like the country ,thinks the city life's better.
the country mouse doesn't like the city and thinks the country life's better.
is there a right or wrong ?

if you browse the Poser & DAZ renders.
with out being told would ya know what it's renderd in ?
Doese it matter ?
I think what alt to matter is
Are your renders as good as the best the DAZ & Poser gallery's have to offer ?
regardless what ya used to get there.

Quote - I think what many people miss is the fact that most Poser/Studio people want ease of use.

Not everyone has the abitlilty/time/etc to tweak everything in a scene or convert it to another character.

Do I use V5 M5 up? Nope, but I would not tell a vendor to support "X character either". Vendors are going to support what makes them money, and that is the bottom line.

I think that you are spot on here. I have noticed that people in the forums talk about all of the complicated and troublesome sounding things that they have to do to make this figure or that item work in their program to get a render. I, like the original OP do not use those figures because I do not want to fuss and struggle with every scene I set up. 3D content is very expensive, so as an end user I really want the items I purchase to work the way they were created to. This is not to say that I never re-texture or refit anything, but I don't want to be locked into that pattern by virtue of the figure I choose and I think the Genesis1 and 2 system in Poser works that way simply because of the nature of the process involved and the fact that those figures were not created for Poser. I know that a lot of people in the forums are more advanced users and therefore are more likely to be comfortable with jumping through several hoops to make things work, but I do not believe that reflects the average user. It seems that the OP wants to know that he/she is not alone. I think that there are many of us of the same mind.

Quote -
I think that you are spot on here. I have noticed that people in the forums talk about all of the complicated and troublesome sounding things that they have to do to make this figure or that item work in their program to get a render. I, like the original OP do not use those figures because I do not want to fuss and struggle with every scene I set up. 3D content is very expensive, so as an end user I really want the items I purchase to work the way they were created to. This is not to say that I never re-texture or refit anything, but I don't want to be locked into that pattern by virtue of the figure I choose and I think the Genesis1 and 2 system in Poser works that way simply because of the nature of the process involved and the fact that those figures were not created for Poser. I know that a lot of people in the forums are more advanced users and therefore are more likely to be comfortable with jumping through several hoops to make things work, but I do not believe that reflects the average user. It seems that the OP wants to know that he/she is not alone. I think that there are many of us of the same mind.

LIke any thing else, one person's hoop jumping is another person's standard workflow.

Lots of people find dynamic cloth to be too difficult or annoying to use. I find fiddling with adjustment morphs to fix pokethru to be more annoying. As a result, I use dynamic clothing more often than not.

If a character is going to be showing well-known bad joints (many of which are improved in Genesis), for me, it's easier to use a Genesis 2 figure, even with the limitations of the DSON importer, than it is to fix those joints with morphs.

If I want to use a creature that has serious scaling and clothe it, it's easier for me to use Genesis to get the clothing to fit, even if I have to load it in Daz Studio and create a scene to load back into Poser, than it is for me to use Poser's fitting room.

Other people will find things for them are the exact opposite. That doesn't mean they're wrong or just need to "see the light". It just means they work better using a different method and prefer to do something else.

In the end, if you want to make good renders, and are going beyond simply "load content and render", you're going to be fiddling with something: materials, morphs, bad joints, hair, pokethru, fitting clothing to poses. Which tools you use to do the fiddling aren't important. You should do what works for you.

M4 looks pretty bad in Poser. It takes work to fix his issues, and more work to find clothing for him. It takes a bit of work to get Genesis 2 in Poser. Different kind of work to fit clothing to it. In the end, neither Genesis nor M4 are perfect in Poser, and both take effort if you want to get a great render out of them.

I get you paid for it ,so it alt to work perfectly.
So all you half to do is just load and render.

but then again your using a inexpensive app
and you only paid $10.00 for the out fit.

So is it reasonable to expect perfection ?

Quote - I get you paid for it ,so it alt to work perfectly.
So all you half to do is just load and render.

but then again your using a inexpensive app
and you only paid $10.00 for the out fit.

So is it reasonable to expect perfection ?

No. I don't expect perfection. I expect to have to "jump through hoops" before I get my scene up to my standards. :) I'm okay with that.

I had been commenting on a thread such as this on the "other" site and like all of the others they locked it even if the thread itself was not negative in any way.  

So I have my doubts about Genesis 2?  Those of us who are not Studio cheerleaders are speaking our minds and we are hoping that something better might come out of it all.  I thought they would have made a difference with Genesis 2, guess not.

I am concerned about the skin stretching that has happened when converting from M4/V4 to Genesis, and if that still happens with the newer figures.  

See; I am asking these questions to see if I want to push forward, and I want to see what others have gone through.  If I post the question in a thread praising the figures I will not get an answer that does not include a gushy response about how the figure is wonderful.  Therefore I post in a thread where commenters are both pro Gen2 and against it.  

You see, I am not endowed with hundreds to spend on these toys, as that is all they are to me.  These programs are not money makers for me, I sell art that I create with my own two hands. So maybe my heart is not into it as much as the companies think it should be.  

I have to ask these questions. I've no other choice.

Sorry to sound so negative but to see my questions and concerns be so easy to toss aside by companies that I once respected and honestly helped fund to get to this point, kind of brings me down.

Quote - > Quote - I get you paid for it ,so it alt to work perfectly.

So all you half to do is just load and render.

but then again your using a inexpensive app
and you only paid $10.00 for the out fit.

So is it reasonable to expect perfection ?

No. I don't expect perfection. I expect to have to "jump through hoops" before I get my scene up to my standards. :) I'm okay with that.

since it's right below your post i can see how it would be taken that way but My coment wasn't aim at you.just wanted ya to know :)

Quote - I had been commenting on a thread such as this on the "other" site and like all of the others they locked it even if the thread itself was not negative in any way.  

So I have my doubts about Genesis 2?  Those of us who are not Studio cheerleaders are speaking our minds and we are hoping that something better might come out of it all.  I thought they would have made a difference with Genesis 2, guess not.

I am concerned about the skin stretching that has happened when converting from M4/V4 to Genesis, and if that still happens with the newer figures.  

See; I am asking these questions to see if I want to push forward, and I want to see what others have gone through.  If I post the question in a thread praising the figures I will not get an answer that does not include a gushy response about how the figure is wonderful.  Therefore I post in a thread where commenters are both pro Gen2 and against it.  

You see, I am not endowed with hundreds to spend on these toys, as that is all they are to me.  These programs are not money makers for me, I sell art that I create with my own two hands. So maybe my heart is not into it as much as the companies think it should be.  

I have to ask these questions. I've no other choice.

Sorry to sound so negative but to see my questions and concerns be so easy to toss aside by companies that I once respected and honestly helped fund to get to this point, kind of brings me down.

Unfortunately these weren't the things you were asking in the other thread before it was locked. It was the same type of things that were said back in november when the thread was created and necro'd back to life; thus the mods locked it because nothing new was added to the conversation. Now if you had actually asked if there were issues with UVs, that would have brought something different and a topic someone could answer for you. However you merely stated that you didn't want to lose your investment and that you'd be afraid you'd invest in genesis and then genesis 3 would come along and you thought tech was moving too fast and alienating customers... that was covered multiple times by multiple people in the thread so the mods locked it.

The thing to take from it is this:

A figure should stand on its own. Not everything not made for it is not going to look good on a different figure; things may be compatible, not identical. The compatibility is there for "good enough", but if exactness is a criteria you're probably better off staying with what you have. Benefits only come when using things actually designed for that figure; using anything else will mostly take some work to get it good enough.

We all have different needs, goals and incomes to dedicate to 3D content, if you have a question that you're unsure of, be specific and ask that question, but don't repeat the same thing that others said multiple times in the last few pages several months ago. That's when the mods see that nothing new is going on and locks the thread.

Quote - > Quote - I had been commenting on a thread such as this on the "other" site and like all of the others they locked it even if the thread itself was not negative in any way.  

So I have my doubts about Genesis 2?  Those of us who are not Studio cheerleaders are speaking our minds and we are hoping that something better might come out of it all.  I thought they would have made a difference with Genesis 2, guess not.

I am concerned about the skin stretching that has happened when converting from M4/V4 to Genesis, and if that still happens with the newer figures.  

See; I am asking these questions to see if I want to push forward, and I want to see what others have gone through.  If I post the question in a thread praising the figures I will not get an answer that does not include a gushy response about how the figure is wonderful.  Therefore I post in a thread where commenters are both pro Gen2 and against it.  

You see, I am not endowed with hundreds to spend on these toys, as that is all they are to me.  These programs are not money makers for me, I sell art that I create with my own two hands. So maybe my heart is not into it as much as the companies think it should be.  

I have to ask these questions. I've no other choice.

Sorry to sound so negative but to see my questions and concerns be so easy to toss aside by companies that I once respected and honestly helped fund to get to this point, kind of brings me down.

Unfortunately these weren't the things you were asking in the other thread before it was locked. It was the same type of things that were said back in november when the thread was created and necro'd back to life; thus the mods locked it because nothing new was added to the conversation. Now if you had actually asked if there were issues with UVs, that would have brought something different and a topic someone could answer for you. However you merely stated that you didn't want to lose your investment and that you'd be afraid you'd invest in genesis and then genesis 3 would come along and you thought tech was moving too fast and alienating customers... that was covered multiple times by multiple people in the thread so the mods locked it.

The thing to take from it is this:

A figure should stand on its own. Not everything not made for it is not going to look good on a different figure; things may be compatible, not identical. The compatibility is there for "good enough", but if exactness is a criteria you're probably better off staying with what you have. Benefits only come when using things actually designed for that figure; using anything else will mostly take some work to get it good enough.

We all have different needs, goals and incomes to dedicate to 3D content, if you have a question that you're unsure of, be specific and ask that question, but don't repeat the same thing that others said multiple times in the last few pages several months ago. That's when the mods see that nothing new is going on and locks the thread.

I would prefer not to have to quote my own posts from there.  The ones where i did ask these conversion questions.   Others were aware of my questions?    As for asking, I do not want to sound rude but super pro genesis users are not going to be honest without blasting the older figures or my resistance to upgrade.  You have proven that.  Andfor my other comments, I was new to that thread so as far as I was concerned it was not old business. Once again, I am not trying to be rude but really?   This is what I am talking about.    If this topis is old and boring then why keep posting in threads like these?

I do not ask This is a real issue for us and we are asking for a real solution.  The uproar this continues to bring should say something.  Would it be better that we didnt care at all?

Quote - > Quote - > Quote - I had been commenting on a thread such as this on the "other" site and like all of the others they locked it even if the thread itself was not negative in any way.  

So I have my doubts about Genesis 2?  Those of us who are not Studio cheerleaders are speaking our minds and we are hoping that something better might come out of it all.  I thought they would have made a difference with Genesis 2, guess not.

I am concerned about the skin stretching that has happened when converting from M4/V4 to Genesis, and if that still happens with the newer figures.  

See; I am asking these questions to see if I want to push forward, and I want to see what others have gone through.  If I post the question in a thread praising the figures I will not get an answer that does not include a gushy response about how the figure is wonderful.  Therefore I post in a thread where commenters are both pro Gen2 and against it.  

You see, I am not endowed with hundreds to spend on these toys, as that is all they are to me.  These programs are not money makers for me, I sell art that I create with my own two hands. So maybe my heart is not into it as much as the companies think it should be.  

I have to ask these questions. I've no other choice.

Sorry to sound so negative but to see my questions and concerns be so easy to toss aside by companies that I once respected and honestly helped fund to get to this point, kind of brings me down.

Unfortunately these weren't the things you were asking in the other thread before it was locked. It was the same type of things that were said back in november when the thread was created and necro'd back to life; thus the mods locked it because nothing new was added to the conversation. Now if you had actually asked if there were issues with UVs, that would have brought something different and a topic someone could answer for you. However you merely stated that you didn't want to lose your investment and that you'd be afraid you'd invest in genesis and then genesis 3 would come along and you thought tech was moving too fast and alienating customers... that was covered multiple times by multiple people in the thread so the mods locked it.

The thing to take from it is this:

A figure should stand on its own. Not everything not made for it is not going to look good on a different figure; things may be compatible, not identical. The compatibility is there for "good enough", but if exactness is a criteria you're probably better off staying with what you have. Benefits only come when using things actually designed for that figure; using anything else will mostly take some work to get it good enough.

We all have different needs, goals and incomes to dedicate to 3D content, if you have a question that you're unsure of, be specific and ask that question, but don't repeat the same thing that others said multiple times in the last few pages several months ago. That's when the mods see that nothing new is going on and locks the thread.

I would prefer not to have to quote my own posts from there.  The ones where i did ask these conversion questions.   Others were aware of my questions?    As for asking, I do not want to sound rude but super pro genesis users are not going to be honest without blasting the older figures or my resistance to upgrade.  You have proven that.  Andfor my other comments, I was new to that thread so as far as I was concerned it was not old business. Once again, I am not trying to be rude but really?   This is what I am talking about.   

Yes, but you referred to that thread as somehow the mods were stifling your speech and made it seem like you were a victim, which did not occur. You simply added nothing new after the mods pointed out the same thing when the thread was necro'd 8 months later. So if you didn't want to discuss that thread, then probably you shouldn't have bought it up.  But as I said, you didn't ask questions, you made a statement about not wanting to give up an investment... there's a difference. If you actually asked the question you posted here rather than say daz isn't listening to their customers and about tech moving too fast, then it would have added something to the thread and wouldn't have been locked. But to make it sound like the "pro DAZ-ers" were ruining your opportunity to discuss something that been rehashed so many times isn't correct. It's really poor taste to even bring this to another forum to drum up sympathy. If people wish to take a look at the thread and see what I'm saying is correct or not, they're more than welcome to look. 

Quote - > Quote - Thought I'd chime in before the discussion DOES get locked. I've fiddled with Genesis and Dawn. They both have their positives and negatives. My only interest is whether they will help me make better art more efficiently. Right now the answer is no because none of them will increase my results regarding concept, color, lighting, or composition. These are the improvements I'm currently seeking in my artwork. Nor will they help me with my postworking (though they might cut down the need in some instances). The time and cost to rebuy, relearn, translate, transfer and emulate is not equal to the potential benefit to my finished product.

For those that wonder how people can use old technology it's because the tech is just a means to an end not the end itself. I'll upgrade my OS, computer, software and other tools when it provides a clear benefit, not when a tech company decides to release a new product.

 

I think your right although I personally feel many see it in far more black and white terms and feel that anyone not for Genesis is therefore against.  I am not against new tech but it has to give me benefit in either what I can do or make it easier to do what I do already.  Like you I do not feel the proven cost:benefits are there at the moment.  Others have different aims and different goals and the benefit may be there for them. 

Which is another reason why I do read Genesis threads and do not like to see them locked for, not only do others use Genesis in Poser, there may come and time when the benefits do outway the costs.

You and I both. ;)  I bought out Genesis less then a year ago because I believed in the greatness of the product, but even that figure is being pushed aside.  Luckily for me the vendors I cared about who made stuff for that figure are still going strong. ;)

It's just the handling of the subject has been lacking at best. 

I don't know but I thought that Genesis 2 was going to be better, they had a chance to work on the compatibility issue but instead just gave us all another $30 dollar expense in Genx 2.  Is that not the same as buying the morph packs for the older figures?

Until you realize that sales usually do not apply to that program.  At least when Daz made their own morph packs you could usually see them discounted in the annual sales if you could not afford to buy them full price because they were Daz originals. They made the PC worth getting, but not anymore.  

Geesh I still have to upgrade my version of Poser to use it without Studio, and those problems are scaring me even more.  I buy the newish upgrade and then have the issues that others seem to have just to make the figures work.  But my Gen 4 clan will still do just fine.  See yet another issue.

I mean we all could care less and move on, but it seems some of us actually care about the companies still, and maybe we care to move forward but there are many things giving us cause not to.  For me it's the cost of upgrading.

Either I spend money on this scattered figure and programs to use it, or I spend my money on breaking my M4/V4 wishlists down.  So I support my fav M4/V4 vendors and that is my choice.  If posting my complaints in a hope for some support makes me a villain in the 3d world then so be it.

I can deal with that.

Malem3dia, you aren't going to bait me like you have done with others.  Sorry ;)

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Malem3dia, you aren't going to bait me like you have done with others.  Sorry ;)

Not baiting but this post just made my point about what I previously said.

Oh and you know you could transfer those morphs between genesis versions for free? The compatibility is there if you asked; I even mentioned how to get gen4 shoes working in that thread as a solution, but that was generally ignored. GenX is just for the convenience for people not wanting to dive into the built in tools. That's when asking questions rather than airing complains is better in the long run.

Male_Media you're being unfair. Attacking Direwrath over an unnamed thread in an unnamed forum is out of line. His/her questions are valid and deserve unbiased answers regardless of what was said in some other forum. If you have a direct answer for those questions then please share them, but keep your personal attacks and opinions of other members out of it.

@Direwrath: In terms of texture stretching, I can't tell you for sure if it doesn't happen. There's always going to be exceptions. The quality of the texture will have a lot to do with how well it works on a model it wasn't originally designed for, so that means that some Gen4 textures will look a lot better on Genesis than others. Same is the case with using V4 UVs on Dawn or any other figure. UV swapping is a great feature, but UVs from one model are never going to work quite as well as they do on the original. Genesis has a much lower poly count than V4/M4, but both models are based on the same mesh, so you're not going to get as much distortion as you might if the donor mesh was nothing at all like the one you're using it's UVs on. Also, using high res textures will help as well, since there is more color information to be used. I'd test it on at least a 4k map and see how it holds up. 

I'm not as familiar with Genesis as others around here are, but so far I haven't had any problems that make Genesis unusable for me. In fact I've been enjoying learning how to work with it and have finally started adding Genesis figures to my runtime. 

~Shane

Quote - Male_Media you're being unfair. Attacking Direwrath over an unnamed thread in an unnamed forum is out of line. His/her questions are valid and deserve unbiased answers regardless of what was said in some other forum. If you have a direct answer for those questions then please share them, but keep your personal attacks and opinions of other members out of it.

Actually, I don't think so. This happens far too much on your forum, where a member doesn't do what they say they did on another forum, then when a thread gets locked or they get banned, they run to your forum to complain. Most times they make it seem like they were just simply doing something write and they were wronged by those "draconian" mods. I remember one person even cursed out the mods one time and then made it seem like all they did was ask a question why DAZ couldn't just make what they wanted. That's not right at all.

From what I've been told and seen previously it is against your TOS to complain about another sites policies, and that's pretty much what happened here. And you've said many times that this isn't a complaint board for other companies. I'll be glad to send you the URL offline so you may see it if you want to discuss it further. I'm always glad to offer to answer questions regarding genesis if questions are asked, but it just wasn't done in this case.

No site or person was mentioned specifically by name and no specific site policies were being criticized as far as I can tell. It looks like a simple statement to me. I'm not interested in reading the thread unless it is one from here on Renderosity. 

As for the question, it's right here, though more in the form of a statement:

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I am concerned about the skin stretching that has happened when converting from M4/V4 to Genesis, and if that still happens with the newer figures.  

 And since you have a mind to argue with me I'll just lock the thread. This way the argument is over on all accounts. 

Rant threads are rarely productive as it is.